Re: Pine for Maildir

2001-04-17 Thread Michael Handler

tc lewis [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 i never cared for mutt either, although i never spent a huge amount of
 time trying to figure it out.  my main issue with it is that i could never
 get it to sort my inbox properly (just normal sorting - by arrival time -
 how the files in the maildir are already sorted).  it could be due to me
 having tried old version of mutt.

set sort=threads
set sort_aux=date-received

If you don't care for the threading behavior, try:

set sort=date-received

-- 
occasional realignment  [EMAIL PROTECTED] (michael handler)
sometimesnecessary  washington, dc



RE: Pine for Maildir

2001-04-15 Thread davidu


Great notes on getting the newest pine working with Maildir.

One thing I noticed when I set mine up:

you wrote:
 NOTE: Apparently, you must set inbox-path as an absolute path (which
 means you can't set it to ~/Maildir because pine doesn't seem to
 recognize ~/ as /home/$USER/).

For me it was the opposite.  "/home/$USER/Maildir" did not work whereas
"~/Maildir" did -- even for root.

I have no idea why it is opposite for us, but its just something to consider
and "one for the archives" as you say. ;-)

To make the change global for all users I added this to my
/usr/local/lib/pine.conf.fixed:

##Qmail Maildir Support##
inbox-path="~/Maildir/"

Thanks,
-davidu


 - You can set inbox-path for pine globally by editing /etc/pine.conf or
 you can force your users to use that inbox-path by editing
 /etc/pine.conf.fixed

  i've never used pine with imap, so i'm not sure how that works.

 Well, I've been devoting a couple of hours to understanding courier-imap
 in all of its intracacies and I'd say that your method is loads simpler
 yet just as reliable.

  -tcl.

 By the way, for those of you trying to obtain a copy of the file
 pine-maildir-4.33 to patch pine with, I realize Larrson's site is down
 so I have an alternate copy up at
 http://unix-web.triton.net/~ennui/pine-maildir-4.33
 To apply the patch, just copy the file into the directory you extracted
 pine into and do `patch -p1  pine-maildir-4.33'

 --
 Keith
 Network Engineer
 Triton Technologies, Inc.





Re: Pine for Maildir

2001-04-14 Thread Stefan Laudat

 Actually, last I checked those patches don't work with the newest pine
 sources.
 
 In this case RTFM'ing wouldn't help now would it.  Perhaps he should have
 asked the list; oh wait he did.

did I say the patches work on the latest pine version ? umm... nope.
if he's so eager to have the latest version with maildir (which it doesn't support
it by default) maybe he's ambitious in modifying it to suit his needs :-X

 
 -davidu

-- 
Stefan Laudat
CCNA  CCAI
-
"- I think my men can take care of one little penguin. 
 - No Mr. Gates, your men are already dead."



Re: Pine for Maildir

2001-04-14 Thread Nick (Keith) Fish

Stefan Laudat wrote:
 
 there are patches for pine Maildir access, please rtfm at www.qmail.org
 I've tested that and worked a couple of months ago.

I am working on this issue right now.  What it's boiled down to has
been my installing the courier-imap package with the intent of having
Pine access that.  I've patched pine's source code with Mattias
Larsson's pine-maildir-4.33 patch; but couldn't figure out how to
configure Pine to access the Maildirs (namely due to lack of
documentation on Larsson's patch, and his site seems to be down as
well).  I would be interested to hear of the patch you used and the
configuration adjustments you made to Pine.
By the way, I must say that I do not care for mutt.  The interface is
rather dirty (I don't mean its aesthetics) and the configuration rather
cryptic.  Maybe I just didn't devote enough time to it?  Anyways, it's
not a viable option.

-- 
Keith
Network Engineer
Triton Technologies, Inc.



Re: Pine for Maildir

2001-04-14 Thread tc lewis


On Sat, 14 Apr 2001, Nick (Keith) Fish wrote:
 Stefan Laudat wrote:
  there are patches for pine Maildir access, please rtfm at www.qmail.org
  I've tested that and worked a couple of months ago.

   I am working on this issue right now.  What it's boiled down to has
 been my installing the courier-imap package with the intent of having
 Pine access that.  I've patched pine's source code with Mattias
 Larsson's pine-maildir-4.33 patch; but couldn't figure out how to
 configure Pine to access the Maildirs (namely due to lack of
 documentation on Larsson's patch, and his site seems to be down as
 well).  I would be interested to hear of the patch you used and the
 configuration adjustments you made to Pine.
   By the way, I must say that I do not care for mutt.  The interface is
 rather dirty (I don't mean its aesthetics) and the configuration rather
 cryptic.  Maybe I just didn't devote enough time to it?  Anyways, it's
 not a viable option.

i use that same patch for pine 4.33.  it appears to work much better than
whatever i was using before.  something with pine 4.10 i think.

in pine's config i simply set inbox-path to the string: $MAIL
/etc/profile.d/qmail.sh exists to set $MAIL (and $MAILDROP) properly.
that profile file came with Bruce Guenter's qmail rpms
(http://em.ca/~bruceg/qmail+patches/).  typically $MAIL would look like:
/home/user/Maildir/ (with the trailing slash).

i've never used pine with imap, so i'm not sure how that works.

i never cared for mutt either, although i never spent a huge amount of
time trying to figure it out.  my main issue with it is that i could never
get it to sort my inbox properly (just normal sorting - by arrival time -
how the files in the maildir are already sorted).  it could be due to me
having tried old version of mutt.

-tcl.




Re: Pine for Maildir

2001-04-14 Thread Nick (Keith) Fish

tc lewis wrote:
 
 i use that same patch for pine 4.33.  it appears to work much better than
 whatever i was using before.  something with pine 4.10 i think.
 
 in pine's config i simply set inbox-path to the string: $MAIL
 /etc/profile.d/qmail.sh exists to set $MAIL (and $MAILDROP) properly.
 that profile file came with Bruce Guenter's qmail rpms
 (http://em.ca/~bruceg/qmail+patches/).  typically $MAIL would look like:
 /home/user/Maildir/ (with the trailing slash).

*chuckles* Sure enough, that worked.  It even moves read messages from
~/Maildir/new to ~/Maildir/cur.  Ah well.  A little more info on this
(for the archives if not for anyone presently dealing with it):

- My $MAIL environment variable is not set because I did not use those
particular RPMs for the install.  To set it for your users, check out
/etc/profile (just set the line with MAIL="/some/path/here" to
MAIL="/home/$USER/Maildir").
NOTE: Apparently, you must set inbox-path as an absolute path (which
means you can't set it to ~/Maildir because pine doesn't seem to
recognize ~/ as /home/$USER/).  This, obviously, will make root's
Maildir inaccessible on 99% of Linux systems, to solve this, either make
a symlink from /home/root to /root (or whatever root's home directory
is) or make a /root/.pinerc file with the line inbox-path=/root/Maildir

- You can set inbox-path for pine globally by editing /etc/pine.conf or
you can force your users to use that inbox-path by editing
/etc/pine.conf.fixed

 i've never used pine with imap, so i'm not sure how that works.

Well, I've been devoting a couple of hours to understanding courier-imap
in all of its intracacies and I'd say that your method is loads simpler
yet just as reliable.
 
 -tcl.

By the way, for those of you trying to obtain a copy of the file
pine-maildir-4.33 to patch pine with, I realize Larrson's site is down
so I have an alternate copy up at
http://unix-web.triton.net/~ennui/pine-maildir-4.33
To apply the patch, just copy the file into the directory you extracted
pine into and do `patch -p1  pine-maildir-4.33'

-- 
Keith
Network Engineer
Triton Technologies, Inc.



Pine for Maildir

2001-04-13 Thread Steven Katz

I'm looking for a version of Pine that will read messages from Maildir 
directly, rather than moving them to 'mail'. Anyone know of any?

Thanks,
Steven




Re: Pine for Maildir

2001-04-13 Thread Al Sparks


--- Steven Katz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I'm looking for a version of Pine that will read messages from Maildir 
 directly, rather than moving them to 'mail'. Anyone know of any?
 
 Thanks,
 Steven

To my knowledge, pine does not directly read Maildir formatted
mailboxes.  If your server runs an IMAP service, you can get pine to
read mail via IMAP.

If you want a text based email client that reads Maildir formatted
mailboxes, use mutt.  I’ve never used it, so I don’t have a
recommendation as to it’s usefulness, but I’ve seen posts raving about
it.
   === Al


__
Do You Yahoo!?
Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. 
http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/



Re: Pine for Maildir

2001-04-13 Thread Stefan Laudat


there are patches for pine Maildir access, please rtfm at www.qmail.org
I've tested that and worked a couple of months ago.

On Fri, Apr 13, 2001 at 01:49:37PM -0700, Al Sparks wrote:
 
 --- Steven Katz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  I'm looking for a version of Pine that will read messages from Maildir 
  directly, rather than moving them to 'mail'. Anyone know of any?
  
  Thanks,
  Steven
 
 To my knowledge, pine does not directly read Maildir formatted
 mailboxes.  If your server runs an IMAP service, you can get pine to
 read mail via IMAP.
 
 If you want a text based email client that reads Maildir formatted
 mailboxes, use mutt.  I?ve never used it, so I don?t have a
 recommendation as to it?s usefulness, but I?ve seen posts raving about
 it.
=== Al
 
 
 __
 Do You Yahoo!?
 Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. 
 http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/
 

-- 
Stefan Laudat
CCNA  CCAI
-
"- I think my men can take care of one little penguin. 
 - No Mr. Gates, your men are already dead."



Re: Pine for Maildir

2001-04-13 Thread Peter Cavender

The RedHat RPM of pine is patched to support Maildirs.

--Pete

On Sat, 14 Apr 2001, Stefan Laudat wrote:

 
 there are patches for pine Maildir access, please rtfm at www.qmail.org
 I've tested that and worked a couple of months ago.
 
 On Fri, Apr 13, 2001 at 01:49:37PM -0700, Al Sparks wrote:
  
  --- Steven Katz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   I'm looking for a version of Pine that will read messages from Maildir 
   directly, rather than moving them to 'mail'. Anyone know of any?
   
   Thanks,
   Steven
  
  To my knowledge, pine does not directly read Maildir formatted
  mailboxes.  If your server runs an IMAP service, you can get pine to
  read mail via IMAP.
  
  If you want a text based email client that reads Maildir formatted
  mailboxes, use mutt.  I?ve never used it, so I don?t have a
  recommendation as to it?s usefulness, but I?ve seen posts raving about
  it.
 === Al
  
  
  __
  Do You Yahoo!?
  Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. 
  http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/
  
 
 -- 
 Stefan Laudat
 CCNA  CCAI
 -
 "- I think my men can take care of one little penguin. 
  - No Mr. Gates, your men are already dead."
 




Re: [OT] pine and Maildir (was: Maildir versus malibox)

2001-01-25 Thread Mahlon Smith


Just to stick in another random opinion:
I've been pretty pine die hard for almost 3 years now.
I tried out mutt about a month ago, and just couldn't make the switch.
Went back to pine and Mailbox, despite personally preferring Maildir.

Tried it again about 3 days ago due to peer pressure and disgust with 
Mailbox format - and something clicked.   I'd now recommend it to
anyone that wants MUA Maildir support, regardless whether or not they
are a pine fan.  It only took about an hour to make it do everything
I was used to in pine - and the stuff I couldn't reprogram my fingers
to do (x is for expunge, dammit!) I just re-binded.  Very slick.
And the pgp support... delicious.  :D

(Now if I could only figure out how to color code tagged messages...)

 OK, on your advice I will look into mutt and give it a whirl, but god
 knows I have better things to do with my time than evaluate MUA's. 

Give it a serious hour of your time.  You won't be disappointed.

--
Mahlon Smith
InternetCDS
http://www.internetcds.com



Re: [OT] pine and Maildir (was: Maildir versus malibox)

2001-01-25 Thread James R Grinter

Adam McKenna [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 On Thu, Jan 25, 2001 at 01:32:29AM +, James R Grinter wrote:
  But, it doesn't matter - Pine does IMAP right? (Isn't that it's real
  reason for existence?) So hook your Maildirs up with IMAP, and point
  Pine at that.
  
  Seems pretty simple to me.
 
 How about this:  Use a non-crappy, open source e-mail client instead?

no need to tell me - (for the record I've never ever used Pine, though
I think I did compile it for someone else once.)

but for people to complain that they want to use it, but that it
doesn't natively support Maildir which they also want to use, is just
madness.

James.



Re: [OT] pine and Maildir (was: Maildir versus malibox)

2001-01-24 Thread James R Grinter

"Pavel Kankovsky" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 On Sat, 20 Jan 2001, Adam McKenna wrote:
 
  The author of PINE flat out refuses to support Maildir.
  
 Umm...doesn't it sound familiar? ;)

But, it doesn't matter - Pine does IMAP right? (Isn't that it's real
reason for existence?) So hook your Maildirs up with IMAP, and point
Pine at that.

Seems pretty simple to me.

James.



Re: [OT] pine and Maildir (was: Maildir versus malibox)

2001-01-24 Thread Adam McKenna

On Thu, Jan 25, 2001 at 01:32:29AM +, James R Grinter wrote:
 But, it doesn't matter - Pine does IMAP right? (Isn't that it's real
 reason for existence?) So hook your Maildirs up with IMAP, and point
 Pine at that.
 
 Seems pretty simple to me.

How about this:  Use a non-crappy, open source e-mail client instead?

--Adam



Re: [OT] pine and Maildir (was: Maildir versus malibox)

2001-01-24 Thread Peter Cavender

  But, it doesn't matter - Pine does IMAP right? (Isn't that it's real
  reason for existence?) So hook your Maildirs up with IMAP, and point
  Pine at that.
  
  Seems pretty simple to me.
 
 How about this:  Use a non-crappy, open source e-mail client instead?
 
 --Adam

And what MUA is that?

I am happy that RedHat, despite all the people who hate them, distributes
PINE patched to work with Maildirs.

PINE may be limited, but it sure is useful as a quick and dirty
console-base MUA.  I figured out how to use in in about 3 minutes without 
having to RTFM.

I have to admit that I am sick of
_yet_another_non_GPL_free_software_license_, with every college having to
advertise "our students/faculty did something remotely usefull", but it
works, and it is free enough for most purposes.  But as I said, if I am 
missing some great GPL MUA, pray tell...

--Pete

Written using PINE, telnet'ed in from a remote location to my ISP





Re: [OT] pine and Maildir (was: Maildir versus malibox)

2001-01-24 Thread Russ Allbery

Peter Cavender [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 PINE may be limited, but it sure is useful as a quick and dirty
 console-base MUA.  I figured out how to use in in about 3 minutes
 without having to RTFM.

If you've ever had to deal with the code, dirty is definitely an accurate
description.

 But as I said, if I am missing some great GPL MUA, pray tell...

mutt is pretty popular and is what we now recommend over Pine for anyone
willing to change.

-- 
Russ Allbery ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) http://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/



Re: [OT] pine and Maildir (was: Maildir versus malibox)

2001-01-24 Thread Peter Cavender

  PINE may be limited, but it sure is useful as a quick and dirty
  console-base MUA.  I figured out how to use in in about 3 minutes
  without having to RTFM.
 
 If you've ever had to deal with the code, dirty is definitely an accurate
 description.

Well, yes.  I once tried to hack just pico, and gave up in
disgust.  weemacs???

OK, on your advice I will look into mutt and give it a whirl, but god
knows I have better things to do with my time than evaluate MUA's.  But
then I can't be closed mindedThanks.

--Pete




Re: [OT] pine and Maildir (was: Maildir versus malibox)

2001-01-21 Thread Alex Pennace

On Sun, Jan 21, 2001 at 03:03:38AM -0500, tc lewis wrote:
   plus the whole idiotic self-quoting thing on the top of mutt's web page,
   and some other stuff on the web pages, just makes me think that the author
   is an idiot.  but that's certainly not very objective reasoning.
  
  This is coming from someone who doesn't know what capitalization
  is. But you can't please them all, right?
 
 this is the absolute worst argument i've ever heard in my entire life.
 don't ever email me again.

Dish it but can't take it.

   for now i'm still using an old pine with the maildir patch, as that mutt
   date interpretation thing simply makes it impossible for me to use.
  
  Like I said I've had no problems in this area except when the message
  itself was flawed. Are you sure you are using Mutt properly?
 
 no, i'm not sure.
 
 i've been talking about this in private messages with someone else.  i'm
 not sure that my use of mutt is perfect, altho i have no idea what i could
 possibly be messing up.  nevertheless, if i have to mess around with it
 that much for it to be coherent for me to use, it's not the proper tool
 for me.  to each his own.

RTFM, and *plonk*



Re: [OT] pine and Maildir (was: Maildir versus malibox)

2001-01-21 Thread Pavel Kankovsky

On Sat, 20 Jan 2001, Adam McKenna wrote:

 The author of PINE flat out refuses to support Maildir.
 
Umm...doesn't it sound familiar? ;)

--Pavel Kankovsky aka Peak  [ Boycott Microsoft--http://www.vcnet.com/bms ]
"Resistance is futile. Open your source code and prepare for assimilation."




[OT] pine and Maildir (was: Maildir versus malibox)

2001-01-20 Thread Henning Brauer

On Sat, Jan 20, 2001 at 10:42:11PM -, Piotr Kasztelowicz wrote:
 In discusion - regard to Maildir versus mailbox question - for
 promoting Maidir were is useful to encourage pine authors to
 adapting the pine program for directly work with Maildir fromat.

maybe you find this useful, I don't. So contact the pine authors.

 Pine, as I think, is most popular software in Unix for mail
 reading/writing. 

pine is a security nightmare AFAIK.

 If the new version were able to support
 Maildir without to install additional patch, the Maildir
 also qmail would be more popular and thus more functional :-)

a) I as many others don't care about pine
b) qmail is _very_ functional, can't see any dependency to pine
c) popularity isn't always the best goal

 Mutt - in my opinion is to "raw" and the all energy should
 gonna Maildir format to gain for it the "pine team".

Maybe you just don't spend enough effort to understand mutt, but I won't
start a MUA discussion here. If you want pine to support Maildirs natively
(mutt does btw) contact the pine authors, this is _ways_ OT here.

-- 
Henning Brauer | BS Web Services
Hostmaster BSWS| Roedingsmarkt 14
[EMAIL PROTECTED] | 20459 Hamburg
http://www.bsws.de | Germany



Re: [OT] pine and Maildir (was: Maildir versus malibox)

2001-01-20 Thread Piotr Kasztelowicz

Hello

Maybe you just don't spend enough effort to understand mutt, but I won't

This is the good opportunity to make functionality of Mutt better.
I let to see to much porblems and this is reason, that I don't use
Mutt with plesure.

Piotr
---
Piotr Kasztelowicz  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[http://www.am.torun.pl/~pekasz]




Re: [OT] pine and Maildir (was: Maildir versus malibox)

2001-01-20 Thread Adam McKenna

On Sun, Jan 21, 2001 at 12:12:55AM +0100, Henning Brauer wrote:
 Maybe you just don't spend enough effort to understand mutt, but I won't
 start a MUA discussion here. If you want pine to support Maildirs natively
 (mutt does btw) contact the pine authors, this is _ways_ OT here.

The author of PINE flat out refuses to support Maildir.

--Adam



Re: [OT] pine and Maildir (was: Maildir versus malibox)

2001-01-20 Thread Adam McKenna

On Sat, Jan 20, 2001 at 11:45:31PM +, Piotr Kasztelowicz wrote:
 Hello
 
 Maybe you just don't spend enough effort to understand mutt, but I won't
 
 This is the good opportunity to make functionality of Mutt better.
 I let to see to much porblems and this is reason, that I don't use
 Mutt with plesure.

Are you using babelfish to make your posts?  Just wondering.

Mutt is pretty intuitive.  Not quite as intuitive as pine, but it should only
take a few days for most pine users to make the switch.

--Adam



Re: [OT] pine and Maildir (was: Maildir versus malibox)

2001-01-20 Thread tc lewis


i've had lots of problems with mutt concerned its sorting.  i've
consistently seen mutt think messages from november 28th interpreted as
being from january 4th, 2002, as an example.  weird things like that.
that's simply unacceptable to me.

plus the whole idiotic self-quoting thing on the top of mutt's web page,
and some other stuff on the web pages, just makes me think that the author
is an idiot.  but that's certainly not very objective reasoning.

old redhat releases of pine included a patch for maildir support.
however, pine is _extremely_ inefficient when it comes to large mailboxes
(maildirs, i should say).  get a few thousand messages in one, and pine
will annoy you something awful.  it seems to try to rebuild the message
list in a box from scratch repeatedly every time certain operations are
performed, or a timeout is met.  very, very frustrating.

for now i'm still using an old pine with the maildir patch, as that mutt
date interpretation thing simply makes it impossible for me to use.  i
started writing my own mua that will probably be very, very minimal in
features, just so i can avoid these stupid yet horrendous problems.  i
haven't done much with it recently, however, so who knows when it will be
usable.

pine's license is also kind of...not cool.  but then again, people using
qmail probably aren't very license-religious.  chuckle.

so shrug, lose-lose situation.

-tcl.




Re: [OT] pine and Maildir

2001-01-20 Thread Robin S. Socha

* Adam McKenna [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 On Sat, Jan 20, 2001 at 11:45:31PM +, Piotr Kasztelowicz wrote:

 This is the good opportunity to make functionality of Mutt better.  I
 let to see to much porblems and this is reason, that I don't use Mutt
 with plesure.

 Are you using babelfish to make your posts?  Just wondering.

Nope. The Dialectizer with the "Polish impersonator of the Swedish
Cook(tm) module(R)".

 Mutt is pretty intuitive.  

U... Nope. It lacks a --luser-gui switch. But then again, who cares?

 Not quite as intuitive as pine, but it should only take a few days for
 most pine users to make the switch.

# muttrc.Pine 1.0 by Daniel Gonzlez Gasull
# Feedback is welcome.  Email: gasull[at]usa.net
#   http://gasull.home.ml.org
#
# This file contains commands to change the keybindings in Mutt to be
# similar to those of PINE 3.96.
-- 
Robin S. Socha http://socha.net/



Re: [OT] pine and Maildir (was: Maildir versus malibox)

2001-01-20 Thread Piotr Kasztelowicz

Hello

take a few days for most pine users to make the switch.

I will not say, that mutt is not-useful, but it could be better :-)
For me - the first problem is how make, that the sent mail shall
be placed in sent folder - Neverless it don't me simple :-(
and I have to less time to sacrificate more time. I will say
only, that the softwares provided for users (not for UNIX
administrators) should be really simple to use!

Maybe the exapmples of Muttrc files or especiall WWW 
on subject Mutt can help.

I will say in my post, I will help no criticize to
present the viewpoint of peoples, who are users no
admins. It seems to be important how the software see
the others, who don't aspirate to be qmail list subscribers!

Piotr
---
Piotr Kasztelowicz  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[http://www.am.torun.pl/~pekasz]




Re: [OT] pine and Maildir (was: Maildir versus malibox)

2001-01-20 Thread Karl Vogel

 On Sat, 20 Jan 2001 20:24:05 -0500 (EST), 
 Piotr Kasztelowicz [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:

P I will not say, that mutt is not-useful, but it could be better :-) For
P me - the first problem is how make, that the sent mail shall be placed
P in sent folder.

   If you want a copy of all your sent messages, I'd use qmail for that
   instead of relying on anything else.  Assuming your userid is "pekasz",
   have your MUA add a header to outgoing messages:
  Bcc: pekasz-bcc

   Create ~/.qmail-bcc holding the following line:
  | (preline /bin/cat; echo)  $HOME/mail/sentmail

   This way, you get a copy of the message as it was seen by qmail.  I've
   been using this method for quite some time with no problems.  Since I
   use procmail to handle filtering, I also save portions of outgoing
   message headers in case I lose someone's address:

  % cat ~/.qmail-header
  | (preline formail -XFrom: -XSubject: -XDate: -XTo: -XCc:
  -XMessage-ID: ; echo)  $HOME/mail/SENT.`/bin/date +%Yw%W`

   (all on one line, of course).

-- 
Karl Vogel[EMAIL PROTECTED]
ASC/YCOA, Wright-Patterson AFB, OH 45433, USA
Never criticize a man till you've walked a mile in his shoes.
That way, you'll be a mile away from him and have his shoes as well.
--Peter Salzman



Re: [OT] pine and Maildir (was: Maildir versus malibox)

2001-01-20 Thread Mark Delany

On Sat, Jan 20, 2001 at 09:56:27PM -0500, Karl Vogel wrote:
  On Sat, 20 Jan 2001 20:24:05 -0500 (EST), 
  Piotr Kasztelowicz [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
 
 P I will not say, that mutt is not-useful, but it could be better :-) For
 P me - the first problem is how make, that the sent mail shall be placed
 P in sent folder.

set record=+sent

The sample Muttrc file is pretty good reading.


Regards.




Re: [OT] pine and Maildir (was: Maildir versus malibox)

2001-01-20 Thread Alex Pennace

On Sat, Jan 20, 2001 at 08:02:51PM -0500, tc lewis wrote:
 i've had lots of problems with mutt concerned its sorting.  i've
 consistently seen mutt think messages from november 28th interpreted as
 being from january 4th, 2002, as an example.  weird things like that.
 that's simply unacceptable to me.

When sorting by date mutt only barfs when the date header is messed
up. Are you sure the date headers in those messages are standards
compliant?

 plus the whole idiotic self-quoting thing on the top of mutt's web page,
 and some other stuff on the web pages, just makes me think that the author
 is an idiot.  but that's certainly not very objective reasoning.

This is coming from someone who doesn't know what capitalization
is. But you can't please them all, right?

 for now i'm still using an old pine with the maildir patch, as that mutt
 date interpretation thing simply makes it impossible for me to use.

Like I said I've had no problems in this area except when the message
itself was flawed. Are you sure you are using Mutt properly?



Re: [OT] pine and Maildir (was: Maildir versus malibox)

2001-01-20 Thread tc lewis



On Sun, 21 Jan 2001, Alex Pennace wrote:

 On Sat, Jan 20, 2001 at 08:02:51PM -0500, tc lewis wrote:
  i've had lots of problems with mutt concerned its sorting.  i've
  consistently seen mutt think messages from november 28th interpreted as
  being from january 4th, 2002, as an example.  weird things like that.
  that's simply unacceptable to me.
 
 When sorting by date mutt only barfs when the date header is messed
 up. Are you sure the date headers in those messages are standards
 compliant?

i would much rather simply sort by the mailbox.  which i've tried.  and it
still gets messed up.  why on earth do muas think they're smarter than
mtas?  whatever.  but i was using an old version of mutt so who knows?


  plus the whole idiotic self-quoting thing on the top of mutt's web page,
  and some other stuff on the web pages, just makes me think that the author
  is an idiot.  but that's certainly not very objective reasoning.
 
 This is coming from someone who doesn't know what capitalization
 is. But you can't please them all, right?

this is the absolute worst argument i've ever heard in my entire life.
don't ever email me again.


  for now i'm still using an old pine with the maildir patch, as that mutt
  date interpretation thing simply makes it impossible for me to use.
 
 Like I said I've had no problems in this area except when the message
 itself was flawed. Are you sure you are using Mutt properly?

no, i'm not sure.

i've been talking about this in private messages with someone else.  i'm
not sure that my use of mutt is perfect, altho i have no idea what i could
possibly be messing up.  nevertheless, if i have to mess around with it
that much for it to be coherent for me to use, it's not the proper tool
for me.  to each his own.

-tcl.




pine and maildir

2000-04-24 Thread Mate Wierdl

It seems I am behind: I just noticed that pine-4.21 supports maildir.
Or is it just the version RH made?

Thx

Mate



pine and maildir(2)

2000-04-24 Thread Mate Wierdl

I see now, that RH applies the maildir patch and another one called
maildirfix.  The maildir patch is Mattias Larsson's.

Mate



Re: Pine and Maildir support

2000-03-30 Thread Jozef Hitzinger


Try ftp://158.195.33.220/pub/pine/, the pine-4.20-maildir.patch should be
the one. The rest are older patches included in this one.

Don't use the -sk.patch, it translates most of pine texts into Slovak,
wouldn't be of much use I'd say.

-- 
jozef  :-)  
Hi! I'm a .signature virus! Copy me into your ~/.signature to help me spread!





Pine and Maildir support

2000-03-29 Thread cluge


I've D/Led the c-client for Pine and followed the directions.  
The problem is that it simply doesn't compile with pine4.21 and
the latest stable GCC.  Is there anywhere I can D/L an already
patched source?  All the links that I found in the archives seemed
to have dissapeard.  I prefer a version of pine 4.0

I'm running solaris 7 with qmail 1.03 and gcc-2.8.1

*Sigh* I wish people would just learn to like mutt and be done 
with it.

If you have a tar ball of a patched source I'd really appreciate it.

TIA 

Aaron




pine and maildir

1999-05-10 Thread Adam D. McKenna

I have been distributing the c-client library patch from my website
(http://www.flounder.net/qmail/) for quite a while now.  My question is, has
anyone updated this patch so that it works with the newest version of pine?
Is anyone willing to?  The current patch works on pine 3.96, which is a
rather old version.

As a secondary note, is UW planning on adding Maildir support to pine at any
time?  It would seem that this would be a worthwhile feature.

--Adam