Robin Socha, this is a plea.

2001-08-01 Thread Jeff Palmer


Can anyone say 'anger management course'?

Good lord man,

You don't have to get so disrespectful and nasty just because someone does
not read,sleep,eat, and breathe a particular RFC or protocal.

Lighten up.  You were a newbie at some point,  as was EVERYONE else.
Nobody was born an SMTP god. Nor a unix god for that matter.

I won't butt heads,  nor argue with you.   We are both much too
intelligent for that.  I have noticed however that there is a LOT of
disrespect,  and hate on this list since I subscribed. And a lot of it
has to do with the simple fact that you (not just Robin, this is directed
at quite a few of you!) seem to forget that you had to learn SMTP like
everyone else.

Granted,  a lot of the emails to this list could be handled if the person
would just read the FAQ. But the simple truth is,  it's not going to
happen.  Human nature is against you here.  Ask any behavioral scientist.
Human nature is not digging through tons of documentation to find a
'simple' answer.  Humans are lazy.   Human nature is  I'll ask this
question on a list,  then go back the next day,  and get the answer
simply because it's easier than reading the docs.

Face reality.  You are looking for an idealistic world.   You need to see
that we live in THIS world,  and not many people are going to conform to
your ideals.

So,  in closing.  Follow your mothers advice.  If you don't have anything
nice to say,  don't say anything at all?

You offer good advice to the members on this list,  I do not deny or
dispute that.

I enclose the following snip,  please Robin (and others),   take a moment
and re-read it.  I'm trying to appeal to your intelligent side,  not your
hot-headed (and possibly a little egotistical?) side.


 MUA is Mail User Agent. The crap you're sending your messages with is
 an MUA. Got it? And if no appropriate help is available for Outlook,
 complain to the wankers in Redmond who *SOLD* you this shit. This is a
 technical list for a Unix MTA, ok?

 Oh yeah... Apart from the fact that I don't speak Portuñol (or even
 intend to learn it), this is crap, too:
snip

Kind regards,


Jeff Palmer
[EMAIL PROTECTED]


P.S.  I did indeed read the message about not CC'ing you..




RE: Robin Socha, this is a plea.

2001-08-01 Thread Bill Andersen

Jeff,

  You are wasting your time.  Robin is just gonna hit you with
  his BS now...  Don't take me wrong, I AGREE with YOU.  But
  I went down that road with Robin and it didn't do any good.
  And it never will.  I don't think he had a mother and it's
  obvious his father beat him regularly... hence the anger.

  Now we'll see if he replies to this.  He shouldn't, since I
  use Outlook and he's already said he filters out all Outlook
  mail from this list.  If he replies, we'll know he lying
  there too...

./bill

 -Original Message-
 From: Jeff Palmer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2001 3:10 PM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Cc: Robin S. Socha
 Subject: Robin Socha, this is a plea.
 
 
 
 Can anyone say 'anger management course'?
 

snip

 Jeff Palmer
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
 
 P.S.  I did indeed read the message about not CC'ing you..
 
 



Re: Robin Socha, this is a plea.

2001-08-01 Thread Kris Kelley

I normally don't participate in such discussions, but...

Jeff Palmer wrote:
Granted,  a lot of the emails to this list could be handled if the person
would just read the FAQ. But the simple truth is... [h]uman nature is not
 digging through tons of documentation to find a
'simple' answer.

FAQ != tons of documentation

Plus, this is what search engines are for.

Face reality.  You are looking for an idealistic world.   You need to see
that we live in THIS world,  and not many people are going to conform to
your ideals...  Follow your mothers advice.

You mean when she said Stand up for what you believe in?

---Kris Kelley




Re: Robin Socha, this is a plea.

2001-08-01 Thread Brett Randall

 Jeff == Jeff Palmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 Granted,  a lot of the emails to this list could be handled if the person
 would just read the FAQ. But the simple truth is,  it's not going to
 happen.  Human nature is against you here.

Semi-true. When I first started on this group, I asked questions that
were answered in the FAQs. I got short, sharp, and often rude,
answers. But I got over it and learnt... Read the docco, follow the
rules, and it'll be sweet. If more people that were abused learnt from
the abuse instead of taking it to heart, then the world would be a
better place... (well, this list would, anyway...)
-- 
Microsoft's slogan *should* read:
Where do you want to go today? It doesn't matter, you're coming
with us.