Re: [Qt-creator] Any plans to support python debugging?
Hi André, thanks for the historical treatise. It's quite interesting that the Python debugger is already 13 years old! For my usage, I don't expect a 100% perfect product, so what we have now is already on a high level. There are however two bugs that make the debugger unusable for me: * QTCREATORBUG-28733 (global Python strings) * QTCREATORBUG-28734 (running in Terminal) If these could be fixed then everything else is low priority because me and my colleagues can start using the debugger. Until then there will probably be no new bugreports from my side. If you have patches I'm open to test them and give feedback. Thanks again for the great product. Please keep up the good work! Regards, André Am 03.02.23 um 09:18 schrieb A. Pönitz: On Mon, Jan 30, 2023 at 02:47:33PM +0100, André Hartmann wrote: Hi Christian, indeed it works. One requirement seems to be a .pyproject file [1], containing your Python file. Then you get a debug and a run button. Very nice! My breakpoint was ignored first and the app stopped at the first line, but I then could run until the breakpoint. I could inspect the variables, step over instructions. Just what you expect from a debugger. Awesome! Now my question: Is this an official feature? I.e. can I create bugreports when I discover small bugs? Also, there does not seem to be much documentation, I guess few people working with that feature therefore? Thanks for that wonderful IDE. I cannot imagine working with something else. Regards, André [1] I've created an Empty Qt for Python Application as there was no "Python without Qt" app template, but that instantly worked when I replaced the main.py with my simple Python code. [...] Regarding the "officiality": I added the python debugger during the "big debugger rewrite" in 2010 bacically only to have another example of setup that should be supported at least conceptually to get the DebuggerEngine API right. Python/PDB was chosen as it operated a bit differently then the C/C++ debuggers GDB and CDB (LLDB came later) insofar that it runs "in process" of the debuggee and the typesystem is different). As it "happens to work", is small and is occasionally used there are enough reasons to keep it around. You have noticed that the integration in the project management system (by .pyproject, previously .pyqtc) is clumsy. That's mainly due to the lack of possibilities to do it better back then; and it also one of the reasons that's not quite official and documented: I simply don't think it's in a good enough shape to be worth spending time on that. Having said that, times are changing. The project management side is much more flexible nowadays, and on the debugger side I'll probably have to look into the Debugger Adapter Protocol at some time, i.e. I expect some activity in the general area towards the end of the year / Creator ~12 time frame. If there are bug reports for the python debugger indicating interest and if there are possibly even people around to test stuff I guess it should be possible to spend a few cycles on it ;-} Andre' -- Qt-creator mailing list Qt-creator@qt-project.org https://lists.qt-project.org/listinfo/qt-creator
Re: [Qt-creator] Any plans to support python debugging?
On Mon, Jan 30, 2023 at 02:47:33PM +0100, André Hartmann wrote: > Hi Christian, > > indeed it works. One requirement seems to be a .pyproject file [1], > containing your Python file. Then you get a debug and a run button. > > Very nice! > > My breakpoint was ignored first and the app stopped at the first line, > but I then could run until the breakpoint. I could inspect the > variables, step over instructions. Just what you expect from a debugger. > > Awesome! > > Now my question: Is this an official feature? I.e. can I create > bugreports when I discover small bugs? Also, there does not seem to be > much documentation, I guess few people working with that feature therefore? > > > Thanks for that wonderful IDE. I cannot imagine working with something else. > > Regards, > André > > [1] I've created an Empty Qt for Python Application as there was no > "Python without Qt" app template, but that instantly worked when I > replaced the main.py with my simple Python code. > [...] Regarding the "officiality": I added the python debugger during the "big debugger rewrite" in 2010 bacically only to have another example of setup that should be supported at least conceptually to get the DebuggerEngine API right. Python/PDB was chosen as it operated a bit differently then the C/C++ debuggers GDB and CDB (LLDB came later) insofar that it runs "in process" of the debuggee and the typesystem is different). As it "happens to work", is small and is occasionally used there are enough reasons to keep it around. You have noticed that the integration in the project management system (by .pyproject, previously .pyqtc) is clumsy. That's mainly due to the lack of possibilities to do it better back then; and it also one of the reasons that's not quite official and documented: I simply don't think it's in a good enough shape to be worth spending time on that. Having said that, times are changing. The project management side is much more flexible nowadays, and on the debugger side I'll probably have to look into the Debugger Adapter Protocol at some time, i.e. I expect some activity in the general area towards the end of the year / Creator ~12 time frame. If there are bug reports for the python debugger indicating interest and if there are possibly even people around to test stuff I guess it should be possible to spend a few cycles on it ;-} Andre' -- Qt-creator mailing list Qt-creator@qt-project.org https://lists.qt-project.org/listinfo/qt-creator
Re: [Qt-creator] Any plans to support python debugging?
Hi Alexandru, thanks for the link to the report, I'll watch it. I currently have no mixed mode debugging requirement, but that might change in future. Thanks and regards, André Am 30.01.23 um 13:27 schrieb Alexandru Croitor: Hi, I think this bug report is related to mixed mode debugging. https://bugreports.qt.io/browse/QTCREATORBUG-27215 On 30. Jan 2023, at 13:19, Christian Stenger via Qt-creator wrote: Hi Andre, If you're talking about debugging pure Python QC should just work. If you mean debugging an application that is based on C++ and may end up inside Python code this is not possible at the current state. IIRC we had some discussion some time ago, but so far we had not the time to have a deeper look. I think there's not even a bugreport / feature request for this to be able to vote on. BR, Christian From: Qt-creator on behalf of André Hartmann Sent: Monday, January 30, 2023 1:04 PM To: qt-creator Subject: [Qt-creator] Any plans to support python debugging? Hi Creator developers and users, when I see my colleagues installing vscode just to debug python, I wonder if Creator couldn't do that too? We already have good Python support with the language server, Qt itself has Python bindings and Creators debugger interface uses Python dumpers, so my question: are there any plans to support debugging Python code? Thanks and best regards, André -- Qt-creator mailing list Qt-creator@qt-project.org https://lists.qt-project.org/listinfo/qt-creator -- Qt-creator mailing list Qt-creator@qt-project.org https://lists.qt-project.org/listinfo/qt-creator -- Qt-creator mailing list Qt-creator@qt-project.org https://lists.qt-project.org/listinfo/qt-creator
Re: [Qt-creator] Any plans to support python debugging?
Hi Christian, indeed it works. One requirement seems to be a .pyproject file [1], containing your Python file. Then you get a debug and a run button. Very nice! My breakpoint was ignored first and the app stopped at the first line, but I then could run until the breakpoint. I could inspect the variables, step over instructions. Just what you expect from a debugger. Awesome! Now my question: Is this an official feature? I.e. can I create bugreports when I discover small bugs? Also, there does not seem to be much documentation, I guess few people working with that feature therefore? Thanks for that wonderful IDE. I cannot imagine working with something else. Regards, André [1] I've created an Empty Qt for Python Application as there was no "Python without Qt" app template, but that instantly worked when I replaced the main.py with my simple Python code. Am 30.01.23 um 13:19 schrieb Christian Stenger: Hi Andre, If you're talking about debugging pure Python QC should just work. If you mean debugging an application that is based on C++ and may end up inside Python code this is not possible at the current state. IIRC we had some discussion some time ago, but so far we had not the time to have a deeper look. I think there's not even a bugreport / feature request for this to be able to vote on. BR, Christian From: Qt-creator on behalf of André Hartmann Sent: Monday, January 30, 2023 1:04 PM To: qt-creator Subject: [Qt-creator] Any plans to support python debugging? Hi Creator developers and users, when I see my colleagues installing vscode just to debug python, I wonder if Creator couldn't do that too? We already have good Python support with the language server, Qt itself has Python bindings and Creators debugger interface uses Python dumpers, so my question: are there any plans to support debugging Python code? Thanks and best regards, André -- Qt-creator mailing list Qt-creator@qt-project.org https://lists.qt-project.org/listinfo/qt-creator -- Qt-creator mailing list Qt-creator@qt-project.org https://lists.qt-project.org/listinfo/qt-creator
Re: [Qt-creator] Any plans to support python debugging?
Hi, I think this bug report is related to mixed mode debugging. https://bugreports.qt.io/browse/QTCREATORBUG-27215 > On 30. Jan 2023, at 13:19, Christian Stenger via Qt-creator > wrote: > > Hi Andre, > > If you're talking about debugging pure Python QC should just work. > If you mean debugging an application that is based on C++ and may end up > inside Python code this is not possible at the current state. > > IIRC we had some discussion some time ago, but so far we had not the time to > have a deeper look. I think there's not even a bugreport / feature request > for this to be able to vote on. > > BR, > Christian > > > From: Qt-creator on behalf of André > Hartmann > Sent: Monday, January 30, 2023 1:04 PM > To: qt-creator > Subject: [Qt-creator] Any plans to support python debugging? > > Hi Creator developers and users, > > when I see my colleagues installing vscode just to debug python, > I wonder if Creator couldn't do that too? > > We already have good Python support with the language server, Qt itself > has Python bindings and Creators debugger interface uses Python dumpers, > so my question: are there any plans to support debugging Python code? > > Thanks and best regards, > André > -- > Qt-creator mailing list > Qt-creator@qt-project.org > https://lists.qt-project.org/listinfo/qt-creator > -- > Qt-creator mailing list > Qt-creator@qt-project.org > https://lists.qt-project.org/listinfo/qt-creator -- Qt-creator mailing list Qt-creator@qt-project.org https://lists.qt-project.org/listinfo/qt-creator
Re: [Qt-creator] Any plans to support python debugging?
Hi Andre, If you're talking about debugging pure Python QC should just work. If you mean debugging an application that is based on C++ and may end up inside Python code this is not possible at the current state. IIRC we had some discussion some time ago, but so far we had not the time to have a deeper look. I think there's not even a bugreport / feature request for this to be able to vote on. BR, Christian From: Qt-creator on behalf of André Hartmann Sent: Monday, January 30, 2023 1:04 PM To: qt-creator Subject: [Qt-creator] Any plans to support python debugging? Hi Creator developers and users, when I see my colleagues installing vscode just to debug python, I wonder if Creator couldn't do that too? We already have good Python support with the language server, Qt itself has Python bindings and Creators debugger interface uses Python dumpers, so my question: are there any plans to support debugging Python code? Thanks and best regards, André -- Qt-creator mailing list Qt-creator@qt-project.org https://lists.qt-project.org/listinfo/qt-creator -- Qt-creator mailing list Qt-creator@qt-project.org https://lists.qt-project.org/listinfo/qt-creator
