[QUAD-L] Re: Lori
Lori you'll probably have to do your own searching...go to google.com and put in your state and the words "brain and spinal cord programs. You may have to do seperate searches for each one of them.
[QUAD-L] RE: Kerry
Yes I agree I am a Bush hater and I voted against him, I don't think Kerry would have been any better. What we need in office is a Woman and not Laura Bush. Men have been trying it for over 200 years and have not got it right yet. It's time for a change. I still believe we should have stayed out of the Middle east. Do not any of you read your Bibles? It says there that there always will be wars and rumours of wars. Why can't we just stay at home and take care of our own problems? Carol in KY
Re: [QUAD-L] BSCIP....
Oooops I mis-understood your post, Penny. :-) You meant Virginia and not Veteran Affairs. Lori ---Original Message--- From: Lori Michaelson Date: 06/02/05 17:06:50 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Quad Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] BSCIP Ok, I'll call the VA. Your link was only for Virginia :-( Lori ---Original Message--- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 06/02/05 15:47:21 To: quad-list@eskimo.com Subject: [QUAD-L] BSCIP Programs and Services I think VA also has the BSCIP. Maybe if you contact them they can tell you what other states have them. Penny
Re: [QUAD-L] BSCIP....
Ok, I'll call the VA. Your link was only for Virginia :-( Lori ---Original Message--- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 06/02/05 15:47:21 To: quad-list@eskimo.com Subject: [QUAD-L] BSCIP Programs and Services I think VA also has the BSCIP. Maybe if you contact them they can tell you what other states have them. Penny
Re: [QUAD-L] stem cell research
Your response was misleading and wrong. You have descended into using emotionalism instead of logic. We have Federal funding which is "Limited" as any federal funding MUST MEET a higher ethical standard than; private funding (Like from the Reeve's foundation) which "IS NOT LIMITED" I guess you'd have to take it up with groups like PETA, who started the ethics in Federaly funded research money crusade along with the "religious right" but for different reasons at different times. Stunt > > > > So, we don't study embryonic stem cells because its been determined prior to > study that they aren't promising? That sounds like what Laura Bush said. Now > that we can comfortably > claim to be in last place in stem cell research among industrialized > nations, I sure feel good that Bush has guided the US away from learning unethical > things. Next thing you know, we will ground the airlines because, what is > holding them up? > > john > > In a message dated 6/2/2005 6:48:52 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > That set of stem cells referred to as being contaminated > are "EMBRYONIC". Why the MEDIA keeps dropping that IMPORTANT > distinction is political in nature. It creates an illusion that ALL > stem cell sources are. Olfactory stem cells, cord blood stem cells, > bone marrow stem cells, etc are being reaserched using federal funds > AND ARE NOT CONTAMINATED. In fact, they have more promise of not being > rejected. > It is understandable why a researcher who thinks they are being > overlooked, underfunded etc make a bunch of noise trying to be the > squeakiest wheel. > It doesn't mean their reaserch holds the most promise. > Stunt > > > > > > > And this is what they're funding! > > This is why they don't even try to research it's pointless and it's > a "Ban" > > or would people want their federal funds wasted on research that we > can't > > use? > > So I agree they can talk about allowing federal funds then throw them > > useless material to work with so you're right it's lip service and > everyone > > knows it. > > > > Mark > > > > A study published in the online journal Nature Medicine says the stem- > cell > > lines are contaminated with a non-human molecule that may make them > risky > > for use in medical therapies. Three years ago, Bush said federal > funds could > > be used for research only on a limited number of stem-cell lines > already in > > existence. That allowed research to continue and enabled the > president to > > assure social conservatives that no new embryos would be destroyed in > the > > process. > > If few or none of the stem cells in the federally approved batch > remain > > uncontaminated, Bush is wasting precious time. To people suffering > from > > Parkinson's, Alzheimer's, diabetes and other ailments, the president's > > policy is a failure because it impedes progress. > > The cells were contaminated because of the manner in which they are > > processed. Researchers grow the cells in petri dishes lined with > cells from > > mice and bathed in serum derived from calves and other animals. > > > > ---Original Message--- > > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Date: 06/01/05 20:50:35 > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Cc: Quad-list@eskimo.com > > Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] stem cell research > > > > Now you got it! The feds are funding it, but under such restrictive > rules > > they haven't the resources to perform and duplicate experiments > > independently. The existing stem cells have been proven to be > contaminated. > > The rules still say that's all they can use. It is lip service. The > Bush > > administration has wrapped itself in stupidity and they are damn > proud of it > > Remember, morons have rights too! > > > > In a message dated 6/1/2005 8:28:03 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > Yea, > > But along with Federal funding comes a lot of extra rules and > > regulations. > > Private funded researchers tend to not waste money like their Fedraly > > funded counterparts, and can make the most rapid advances. > > Once private research has found a proven technology, then the Federal > > dollars will flow. > > Most medical advances actualy start this way. > > IMHO the media is over playing this issue to further the "Progressive > > Ideologies" which includes abortion and euthenasia. > > While Embryonic stem cells "MIGHT" be the answer, there is no proof > > that it is more promising than stem cells harvested from the person > > needing treatment. > > Until that proof unfolds, I'd rather see our gov err on the side of > > caution in regards to ethics. > > Stunt > > > > > > > > Hi Stuntman, > > > > > > I understand the difference between PRIVATE and FEDERAL funding for > > research. It's kind of like owning a PRIVATE Corvette and not > putting > > FEDERAL gasolin
Re: [QUAD-L] re: Bush
H, and if komrade kerry had won nobody would have died in the Twin Towers. NOT! Slick Willie did WHAT while in office for 8 years... besides blow up an empty tent after the first bombing. France caused the recontinued war in Iraq. They refused to come back to the table AND told Sadamned we wouldn't attack. Thus emboldened he tried thumbing his nose at the UN sanctions for the last time. What is it with you President Bush haters? He inherited a recession that could have been depression era like but turned our economey around. He was not the cause of Islamic Facists attacking the USA "AGAIN". The wars in Afganistan and Iraq has caused: krazy kadafi to drop his WMD programs Syria to withdraw from Lebenon Put an end to the atrocities of Sadamned, Usay, Uday, and all of his henchmen Freed the populations of two contries and brought about free elections for men AND WOMEN in both Afganistan and Iraq He even backs the MICASSA Act. Stunt > > > We don't need any more Bush's in any political office. They will destroy our country and some other country will move in and take over. > > -- Freedom: United States Constitution© 1791 All Rights Preserved My first Domain http://nw-in.com/index.html http://quads.nw-in.com/quad-enter.html Pics http://quads.nw-in.com/quad-list/quad-list1.htm Home page. http://tnthompson0.tripod.com/homeincyberspace/ Computer Graphics portfolio. http://tnthompson1.tripod.com/index.htm
Re: [QUAD-L] stem cell research
So, we don't study embryonic stem cells because its been determined prior to study that they aren't promising? That sounds like what Laura Bush said. Now that we can comfortably claim to be in last place in stem cell research among industrialized nations, I sure feel good that Bush has guided the US away from learning unethical things. Next thing you know, we will ground the airlines because, what is holding them up? john In a message dated 6/2/2005 6:48:52 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: That set of stem cells referred to as being contaminated are "EMBRYONIC". Why the MEDIA keeps dropping that IMPORTANT distinction is political in nature. It creates an illusion that ALL stem cell sources are. Olfactory stem cells, cord blood stem cells, bone marrow stem cells, etc are being reaserched using federal funds AND ARE NOT CONTAMINATED. In fact, they have more promise of not being rejected.It is understandable why a researcher who thinks they are being overlooked, underfunded etc make a bunch of noise trying to be the squeakiest wheel.It doesn't mean their reaserch holds the most promise.Stunt> > > And this is what they're funding!> This is why they don't even try to research it's pointless and it's a "Ban"> or would people want their federal funds wasted on research that we can't> use?> So I agree they can talk about allowing federal funds then throw them> useless material to work with so you're right it's lip service and everyone> knows it.> > Mark> > A study published in the online journal Nature Medicine says the stem-cell> lines are contaminated with a non-human molecule that may make them risky> for use in medical therapies. Three years ago, Bush said federal funds could> be used for research only on a limited number of stem-cell lines already in> existence. That allowed research to continue and enabled the president to> assure social conservatives that no new embryos would be destroyed in the> process. > If few or none of the stem cells in the federally approved batch remain> uncontaminated, Bush is wasting precious time. To people suffering from> Parkinson's, Alzheimer's, diabetes and other ailments, the president's> policy is a failure because it impedes progress. > The cells were contaminated because of the manner in which they are> processed. Researchers grow the cells in petri dishes lined with cells from> mice and bathed in serum derived from calves and other animals.> > ---Original Message---> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: 06/01/05 20:50:35> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: Quad-list@eskimo.com> Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] stem cell research> > Now you got it! The feds are funding it, but under such restrictive rules> they haven't the resources to perform and duplicate experiments> independently. The existing stem cells have been proven to be contaminated.> The rules still say that's all they can use. It is lip service. The Bush> administration has wrapped itself in stupidity and they are damn proud of it> Remember, morons have rights too!> > In a message dated 6/1/2005 8:28:03 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:> Yea,> But along with Federal funding comes a lot of extra rules and > regulations.> Private funded researchers tend to not waste money like their Fedraly > funded counterparts, and can make the most rapid advances.> Once private research has found a proven technology, then the Federal > dollars will flow.> Most medical advances actualy start this way.> IMHO the media is over playing this issue to further the "Progressive > Ideologies" which includes abortion and euthenasia. > While Embryonic stem cells "MIGHT" be the answer, there is no proof > that it is more promising than stem cells harvested from the person > needing treatment.> Until that proof unfolds, I'd rather see our gov err on the side of > caution in regards to ethics.> Stunt> > > > > Hi Stuntman,> > > > I understand the difference between PRIVATE and FEDERAL funding for > research. It's kind of like owning a PRIVATE Corvette and not putting > FEDERAL gasoline in it. It will look great in my driveway but won't > get me on the road.> > > > I hope you had a good Memorial Day!> > > > > > With Love,> > > > CtrlAltDel aka Dave> > C4/5 Complete - 29 Years Post> > Texas, USA > > Stuntman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:> > Howdy Dave,> > PRIVATE research can still make use of those, it's just not allowed > > under FEDERAL funding.> > I wish the same would be applied to abortions.> > BTW all that money collected by the Reeve's foundation is PRIVATE so > it > > can make use of those types of stem cell sources.> > Stunt> > -- > Freedom: United States Constitution© 1791 All Rights > Preserved> > My first Domain> http://nw-in.com/index.html> http://qu
Re: [QUAD-L] stem cell research
Restricting federal funding to just the approved lines is retarding progress for financial as well as scientific reasons. The $25 million allocated by the Bush administration for embryonic stem cell research in 2003 is a tiny fraction of the National Institutes of Health budget of $18.3 billion for extramural research. To put this in perspective, in that same year the government spent almost eight times as much ($190.7 million) on research with less promising "adult" stem cells. There are formidable scientific and medical challenges to attaining our goal of providing cell-based therapies that are safe and effective. It will take the efforts of many scientists and clinicians in a variety of disciplines to bring this technology to the clinic. The results of laboratory investigations on human embryonic stem cells are highly encouraging and consistent with meeting this goal. Private funding of stem cell research is important and is increasingly forthcoming, but in these early stages, federal funding is paramount and essential. Mark ---Original Message--- From: Stuntman Date: 06/02/05 17:49:38 To: QuadPirate; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Quad-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] stem cell research That set of stem cells referred to as being contaminated are "EMBRYONIC". Why the MEDIA keeps dropping that IMPORTANT distinction is political in nature. It creates an illusion that ALL stem cell sources are. Olfactory stem cells, cord blood stem cells, bone marrow stem cells, etc are being reaserched using federal funds AND ARE NOT CONTAMINATED. In fact, they have more promise of not being rejected. It is understandable why a researcher who thinks they are being overlooked, underfunded etc make a bunch of noise trying to be the squeakiest wheel. It doesn't mean their reaserch holds the most promise. Stunt > > > And this is what they're funding! > This is why they don't even try to research it's pointless and it's a "Ban" > or would people want their federal funds wasted on research that we can't > use? > So I agree they can talk about allowing federal funds then throw them > useless material to work with so you're right it's lip service and everyone > knows it. > > Mark > > A study published in the online journal Nature Medicine says the stem- cell > lines are contaminated with a non-human molecule that may make them risky > for use in medical therapies. Three years ago, Bush said federal funds could > be used for research only on a limited number of stem-cell lines already in > existence. That allowed research to continue and enabled the president to > assure social conservatives that no new embryos would be destroyed in the > process. > If few or none of the stem cells in the federally approved batch remain > uncontaminated, Bush is wasting precious time. To people suffering from > Parkinson's, Alzheimer's, diabetes and other ailments, the president's > policy is a failure because it impedes progress. > The cells were contaminated because of the manner in which they are > processed. Researchers grow the cells in petri dishes lined with cells from > mice and bathed in serum derived from calves and other animals. > > ---Original Message--- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Date: 06/01/05 20:50:35 > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Cc: Quad-list@eskimo.com > Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] stem cell research > > Now you got it! The feds are funding it, but under such restrictive rules > they haven't the resources to perform and duplicate experiments > independently. The existing stem cells have been proven to be contaminated. > The rules still say that's all they can use. It is lip service. The Bush > administration has wrapped itself in stupidity and they are damn proud of it > Remember, morons have rights too! > > In a message dated 6/1/2005 8:28:03 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > Yea, > But along with Federal funding comes a lot of extra rules and > regulations. > Private funded researchers tend to not waste money like their Fedraly > funded counterparts, and can make the most rapid advances. > Once private research has found a proven technology, then the Federal > dollars will flow. > Most medical advances actualy start this way. > IMHO the media is over playing this issue to further the "Progressive > Ideologies" which includes abortion and euthenasia. > While Embryonic stem cells "MIGHT" be the answer, there is no proof > that it is more promising than stem cells harvested from the person > needing treatment. > Until that proof unfolds, I'd rather see our gov err on the side of > caution in regards to ethics. > Stunt > > > > > Hi Stuntman, > > > > I understand the difference between PRIVATE and FEDERAL funding for > research. It's kind of like owning a PRIVATE Corvette and not putting > FEDERAL gasoline in it. It will look great in my driveway but won't > get me on the road. > > > > I hope you had a good Memorial Day! > > > > > > With Love, > >
Re: [QUAD-L] stem cell research
"Remember, morons have rights too!" Let the records show that I did not use this opening for which the poster left himself as a possible target. :^P Stunt > > > > Now you got it! The feds are funding it, but under such restrictive rules > they haven't the resources to perform and duplicate experiments independently. > The existing stem cells have been proven to be contaminated. The rules still > say that's all they can use. It is lip service. The Bush administration has > wrapped itself in stupidity and they are damn proud of it. Remember, morons > have rights too! > > In a message dated 6/1/2005 8:28:03 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > Yea, > But along with Federal funding comes a lot of extra rules and > regulations. > Private funded researchers tend to not waste money like their Fedraly > funded counterparts, and can make the most rapid advances. > Once private research has found a proven technology, then the Federal > dollars will flow. > Most medical advances actualy start this way. > IMHO the media is over playing this issue to further the "Progressive > Ideologies" which includes abortion and euthenasia. > While Embryonic stem cells "MIGHT" be the answer, there is no proof > that it is more promising than stem cells harvested from the person > needing treatment. > Until that proof unfolds, I'd rather see our gov err on the side of > caution in regards to ethics. > Stunt > > > > > Hi Stuntman, > > > > I understand the difference between PRIVATE and FEDERAL funding for > research. It's kind of like owning a PRIVATE Corvette and not putting > FEDERAL gasoline in it. It will look great in my driveway but won't > get me on the road. > > > > I hope you had a good Memorial Day! > > > > > > With Love, > > > > CtrlAltDel aka Dave > > C4/5 Complete - 29 Years Post > > Texas, USA > > Stuntman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Howdy Dave, > > PRIVATE research can still make use of those, it's just not allowed > > under FEDERAL funding. > > I wish the same would be applied to abortions. > > BTW all that money collected by the Reeve's foundation is PRIVATE so > it > > can make use of those types of stem cell sources. > > Stunt > > -- > Freedom: United States Constitution© 1791 All Rights > Preserved > > My first Domain > http://nw-in.com/index.html > http://quads.nw-in.com/quad-enter.html > Pics > http://quads.nw-in.com/quad-list/quad-list1.htm > Home page. > http://tnthompson0.tripod.com/homeincyberspace/ > > Computer Graphics portfolio. > http://tnthompson1.tripod.com/index.htm > > > > > > > -- Freedom: United States Constitution© 1791 All Rights Preserved My first Domain http://nw-in.com/index.html http://quads.nw-in.com/quad-enter.html Pics http://quads.nw-in.com/quad-list/quad-list1.htm Home page. http://tnthompson0.tripod.com/homeincyberspace/ Computer Graphics portfolio. http://tnthompson1.tripod.com/index.htm
Re: [QUAD-L] stem cell research
> WHEN YOU RESTRICT STUDIES TO A NARROW DEFINITION, it is a ban. This is false. PRIVATE funded research is not restricted and CAN USE donated embryos. You are being manipulated by the "progressive" media. Jim Lubin provided a link last time this discussion got heavy. Stunt If you > restrict a study of religion to Christianity, you have effectively banned other > religions. The only reason Bush funded stem cell studies was so he could impose > ridiculous rules on scientists. This is the kind of thinking that tried to get > penicillin banned because it eliminated diseases that god had used to punish > people. 25 million dollars is all the government spent to control research > in the US. 25 million would buy 1/36 th of a B-2 bomber. > > In a message dated 6/1/2005 9:36:18 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > Silas, > There isn't any "BAN" on stem cell research, regardless of source. > This issue is being blown out of perspective. > There IS a slippery slope at risk here. > The SC was the ones who ruled in favor of abortion, activist judges > have really slid that one down the slope, the President CAN'T over rule > them. He IS LIMITED to the powers granted to him, even though he has > publicaly stated he is Pro-Life. > While "I" see nothing moraly wrong with using Embryos slated for > destruction, would it slip down to late term abortion fetuses? > That IS the $1,000,000 question. > Stunt > > > > Ethics smethics, > > Three forths of the american population doesn't have one dam ethical > bone in their bodies. Its allright to rape steal commit adultry and > lie, but mention stem cell research and oh hell look out. All the > ethics start flying out, must be their guilt from all the unethical > things they have done. What about abortion? Where is Bush and why > does he look the other way? Where is over half of the american adults , > notice I didn't say american population. I bet you'll never find a > child for abortion, but ask a young child with a broken neck if there > is hope for a cure through stem cell research what their thoughts would > be.Man ill hush its just the subject of stem cell and ethics burns > my ass! > > Silas > > P.S. Guess I just opened big big can of night crawlers. > > > -- > Freedom: United States Constitution© 1791 All Rights > Preserved > > My first Domain > http://nw-in.com/index.html > http://quads.nw-in.com/quad-enter.html > Pics > http://quads.nw-in.com/quad-list/quad-list1.htm > Home page. > http://tnthompson0.tripod.com/homeincyberspace/ > > Computer Graphics portfolio. > http://tnthompson1.tripod.com/index.htm > > > > > > -- Freedom: United States Constitution© 1791 All Rights Preserved My first Domain http://nw-in.com/index.html http://quads.nw-in.com/quad-enter.html Pics http://quads.nw-in.com/quad-list/quad-list1.htm Home page. http://tnthompson0.tripod.com/homeincyberspace/ Computer Graphics portfolio. http://tnthompson1.tripod.com/index.htm
Re: [QUAD-L] stem cell research
That set of stem cells referred to as being contaminated are "EMBRYONIC". Why the MEDIA keeps dropping that IMPORTANT distinction is political in nature. It creates an illusion that ALL stem cell sources are. Olfactory stem cells, cord blood stem cells, bone marrow stem cells, etc are being reaserched using federal funds AND ARE NOT CONTAMINATED. In fact, they have more promise of not being rejected. It is understandable why a researcher who thinks they are being overlooked, underfunded etc make a bunch of noise trying to be the squeakiest wheel. It doesn't mean their reaserch holds the most promise. Stunt > > > And this is what they're funding! > This is why they don't even try to research it's pointless and it's a "Ban" > or would people want their federal funds wasted on research that we can't > use? > So I agree they can talk about allowing federal funds then throw them > useless material to work with so you're right it's lip service and everyone > knows it. > > Mark > > A study published in the online journal Nature Medicine says the stem- cell > lines are contaminated with a non-human molecule that may make them risky > for use in medical therapies. Three years ago, Bush said federal funds could > be used for research only on a limited number of stem-cell lines already in > existence. That allowed research to continue and enabled the president to > assure social conservatives that no new embryos would be destroyed in the > process. > If few or none of the stem cells in the federally approved batch remain > uncontaminated, Bush is wasting precious time. To people suffering from > Parkinson's, Alzheimer's, diabetes and other ailments, the president's > policy is a failure because it impedes progress. > The cells were contaminated because of the manner in which they are > processed. Researchers grow the cells in petri dishes lined with cells from > mice and bathed in serum derived from calves and other animals. > > ---Original Message--- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Date: 06/01/05 20:50:35 > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Cc: Quad-list@eskimo.com > Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] stem cell research > > Now you got it! The feds are funding it, but under such restrictive rules > they haven't the resources to perform and duplicate experiments > independently. The existing stem cells have been proven to be contaminated. > The rules still say that's all they can use. It is lip service. The Bush > administration has wrapped itself in stupidity and they are damn proud of it > Remember, morons have rights too! > > In a message dated 6/1/2005 8:28:03 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > Yea, > But along with Federal funding comes a lot of extra rules and > regulations. > Private funded researchers tend to not waste money like their Fedraly > funded counterparts, and can make the most rapid advances. > Once private research has found a proven technology, then the Federal > dollars will flow. > Most medical advances actualy start this way. > IMHO the media is over playing this issue to further the "Progressive > Ideologies" which includes abortion and euthenasia. > While Embryonic stem cells "MIGHT" be the answer, there is no proof > that it is more promising than stem cells harvested from the person > needing treatment. > Until that proof unfolds, I'd rather see our gov err on the side of > caution in regards to ethics. > Stunt > > > > > Hi Stuntman, > > > > I understand the difference between PRIVATE and FEDERAL funding for > research. It's kind of like owning a PRIVATE Corvette and not putting > FEDERAL gasoline in it. It will look great in my driveway but won't > get me on the road. > > > > I hope you had a good Memorial Day! > > > > > > With Love, > > > > CtrlAltDel aka Dave > > C4/5 Complete - 29 Years Post > > Texas, USA > > Stuntman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Howdy Dave, > > PRIVATE research can still make use of those, it's just not allowed > > under FEDERAL funding. > > I wish the same would be applied to abortions. > > BTW all that money collected by the Reeve's foundation is PRIVATE so > it > > can make use of those types of stem cell sources. > > Stunt > > -- > Freedom: United States Constitution© 1791 All Rights > Preserved > > My first Domain > http://nw-in.com/index.html > http://quads.nw-in.com/quad-enter.html > Pics > http://quads.nw-in.com/quad-list/quad-list1.htm > Home page. > http://tnthompson0.tripod.com/homeincyberspace/ > > Computer Graphics portfolio. > http://tnthompson1.tripod.com/index.htm > > > > > -- Freedom: United States Constitution© 1791 All Rights Preserved My first Domain http://nw-in.com/index.html http://quads.nw-in.com/quad-enter.html Pics http://quads.nw-in.com/quad-list/quad-list1.htm Home page. http://tnthompson0.tripod.com/homeincyberspace/ Computer Graphics portfolio. http://tnthompson1.tripod.com/index.htm
[QUAD-L] BSCIP....
Programs and Services I think VA also has the BSCIP. Maybe if you contact them they can tell you what other states have them. Penny
RE: [QUAD-L] Urologists
Exactly, Eric. Dan... if you let the guy (a doctor not familiar with quads BUT WILL OPERATE) put in a supra-pubic on you, you had to have had SOME trusty in him to begin with. Both my Drs and I don't treat unless I have symptoms (abdominal pain or fever). Symptomatic ones NEED treatment... the body is telling one so. I don't go to a uro. They seem to have NO more knowledge than Drs but THINK they do. You've proposed ALOT of questions in the last few months, Dan. Are you ok? Lori ---Original Message--- From: Eric W Rudd Date: 06/02/05 14:20:09 To: quad-list@eskimo.com Subject: RE: [QUAD-L] Urologists Either I'm not understanding or you've got to be kidding. Tell him you will have some bugs but he should know if you should treat them. Eric W Rudd [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 3:45 PMTo: quad-list@eskimo.comSubject: [QUAD-L] Urologists Does anyone know how to find a Urologist familiar with Supra pubic catheters or with people that are Quads ?? I live in St. Louis County, Missouri. My Urologist put in my supra pubic catheter about 4 years ago, he never wants me to get a urine culture because he say's i'll always be positive for some kind of bacteria. About a year ago he let me get so sick from a Psuedamonas bladder infection that it destoyed much of my white blood cells and I had to go to emergency to be put in hospital for a week. His office told me today to go see my family doctor if I feel bad. Family doc said he will let get a urine culture but he is not familiar with anything about Quads. Heck-- if doctors don't know, how do we get help ? THANKS TO ANY THAT MAY HAVE ANY IDEA"S ON THIS. Dan c-6
RE: [QUAD-L] Urologists
Title: Message Either I'm not understanding or you've got to be kidding. Tell him you will have some bugs but he should know if you should treat them. Eric W Rudd [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 3:45 PMTo: quad-list@eskimo.comSubject: [QUAD-L] Urologists Does anyone know how to find a Urologist familiar with Supra pubic catheters or with people that are Quads ?? I live in St. Louis County, Missouri. My Urologist put in my supra pubic catheter about 4 years ago, he never wants me to get a urine culture because he say's i'll always be positive for some kind of bacteria. About a year ago he let me get so sick from a Psuedamonas bladder infection that it destoyed much of my white blood cells and I had to go to emergency to be put in hospital for a week. His office told me today to go see my family doctor if I feel bad. Family doc said he will let get a urine culture but he is not familiar with anything about Quads. Heck-- if doctors don't know, how do we get help ? THANKS TO ANY THAT MAY HAVE ANY IDEA"S ON THIS. Dan c-6
[QUAD-L] BSCIP - Where?
I tried searching for the Brain and Spinal Cord Injury Programs (BSCIP) and which states have them. I was unsuccessful other than seeing Fl has one. Anyone know where the list of states they're in is? Lori
[QUAD-L] Urologists
Does anyone know how to find a Urologist familiar with Supra pubic catheters or with people that are Quads ?? I live in St. Louis County, Missouri. My Urologist put in my supra pubic catheter about 4 years ago, he never wants me to get a urine culture because he say's i'll always be positive for some kind of bacteria. About a year ago he let me get so sick from a Psuedamonas bladder infection that it destoyed much of my white blood cells and I had to go to emergency to be put in hospital for a week. His office told me today to go see my family doctor if I feel bad. Family doc said he will let get a urine culture but he is not familiar with anything about Quads. Heck-- if doctors don't know, how do we get help ? THANKS TO ANY THAT MAY HAVE ANY IDEA"S ON THIS. Dan c-6
Re: [QUAD-L] stem cell research
Ha! Ha! Hell yeah! - Original Message - From: QuadPirate To: David K. Kelmer ; Stuntman ; Silas Shelburne Cc: Quad-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 9:26 AM Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] stem cell research I'm hearing you Silas! Ethics and Politicians? That's like Heaven & Hell! They can all kiss my numb ass I'm tired of sitting down! Mark ---Original Message--- From: Silas Shelburne Date: 06/01/05 18:21:50 To: David K. Kelmer; Stuntman Cc: Quad-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] stem cell research Ethics smethics, Three forths of the american population doesn't have one dam ethical bone in their bodies. Its allright to rape steal commit adultry and lie, but mention stem cell research and oh hell look out. All the ethics start flying out, must be their guilt from all the unethical things they have done. What about abortion? Where is Bush and why does he look the other way? Where is over half of the american adults , notice I didn't say american population. I bet you'll never find a child for abortion, but ask a young child with a broken neck if there is hope for a cure through stem cell research what their thoughts would be. Man ill hush its just the subject of stem cell and ethics burns my ass! Silas P.S. Guess I just opened big big can of night crawlers. - Original Message - From: David K. Kelmer To: Stuntman Cc: Quad-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2005 1:31 PM Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] stem cell research Hi Stuntman, I think waiting for proof before doing the research could be a long wait. I too would like to see our government err on the side of caution in regards to ethics, and not just in funding of research, but government ethics sounds like an oxymoron these days. With Love, CtrlAltDel aka DaveC4/5 Complete - 29 Years PostTexas, USA Stuntman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Yea,But along with Federal funding comes a lot of extra rules and regulations.Private funded researchers tend to not waste money like their Fedraly funded counterparts, and can make the most rapid advances.Once private research has found a proven technology, then the Federal dollars will flow.Most medical advances actualy start this way.IMHO the media is over playing this issue to further the "Progressive Ideologies" which includes abortion and euthenasia. While Embryonic stem cells "MIGHT" be the answer, there is no proof that it is more promising than stem cells harvested from the person needing treatment.Until that proof unfolds, I'd rather see our gov err on the side of caution in regards to ethics.Stunt> > Hi Stuntman,> > I understand the difference between PRIVATE and FEDERAL funding for research. It's kind of like owning a PRIVATE Corvette and not putting FEDERAL gasoline in it. It will look great in my driveway but won't get me on the road.> > I hope you had a good Memorial Day!> > > With Love,> > CtrlAltDel aka Dave> C4/5 Complete - 29 Years Post> Texas, USA > Stuntman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:> Howdy Dave,> PRIVATE research can still make use of those, it's just not allowed > under FEDERAL funding.> I wish the same would be applied to abortions.> BTW all that money collected by the Reeve's foundation is PRIVATE so it > can make use of those types of stem cell sources.> Stunt-- Freedom: United States Constitution© 1791 All Rights PreservedMy first Domainhttp://nw-in.com/index.htmmlhttp://quads.nw-in.com/quad-enter.htmlPicshttp://quads.nw-in.com/quad-list/quad-list1.htmHome page. http://tnthompson0.tripod.com/homeincyberspace/Computer Graphics portfolio. http://tnthompson1.tripod.com/index.htm
RE: [QUAD-L] stem cell research
I like the way you say that Mark because I agree totally. Lester -Original Message- From: QuadPirate [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 10:27 AM To: David K. Kelmer; Stuntman; Silas Shelburne Cc: Quad-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] stem cell research I'm hearing you Silas! Ethics and Politicians? That's like Heaven & Hell! They can all kiss my numb ass I'm tired of sitting down! Mark ---Original Message--- From: Silas Shelburne Date: 06/01/05 18:21:50 To: David K. Kelmer; Stuntman Cc: Quad-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] stem cell research Ethics smethics, Three forths of the american population doesn't have one dam ethical bone in their bodies. Its allright to rape steal commit adultry and lie, but mention stem cell research and oh hell look out. All the ethics start flying out, must be their guilt from all the unethical things they have done. What about abortion? Where is Bush and why does he look the other way? Where is over half of the american adults , notice I didn't say american population. I bet you'll never find a child for abortion, but ask a young child with a broken neck if there is hope for a cure through stem cell research what their thoughts would be. Man ill hush its just the subject of stem cell and ethics burns my ass! Silas P.S. Guess I just opened big big can of night crawlers. - Original Message - From: David K. Kelmer To: Stuntman Cc: Quad-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2005 1:31 PM Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] stem cell research Hi Stuntman, I think waiting for proof before doing the research could be a long wait. I too would like to see our government err on the side of caution in regards to ethics, and not just in funding of research, but government ethics sounds like an oxymoron these days. With Love, CtrlAltDel aka Dave C4/5 Complete - 29 Years Post Texas, USA Stuntman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Yea, But along with Federal funding comes a lot of extra rules and regulations. Private funded researchers tend to not waste money like their Fedraly funded counterparts, and can make the most rapid advances. Once private research has found a proven technology, then the Federal dollars will flow. Most medical advances actualy start this way. IMHO the media is over playing this issue to further the "Progressive Ideologies" which includes abortion and euthenasia. While Embryonic stem cells "MIGHT" be the answer, there is no proof that it is more promising than stem cells harvested from the person needing treatment. Until that proof unfolds, I'd rather see our gov err on the side of caution in regards to ethics. Stunt > > Hi Stuntman, > > I understand the difference between PRIVATE and FEDERAL funding for research. It's kind of like owning a PRIVATE Corvette and not putting FEDERAL gasoline in it. It will look great in my driveway but won't get me on the road. > > I hope you had a good Memorial Day! > > > With Love, > > CtrlAltDel aka Dave > C4/5 Complete - 29 Years Post > Texas, USA > Stuntman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: > Howdy Dave, > PRIVATE research can still make use of those, it's just not allowed > under FEDERAL funding. > I wish the same would be applied to abortions. > BTW all that money collected by the Reeve's foundation is PRIVATE so it > can make use of those types of stem cell sources. > Stunt -- Freedom: United States Constitution© 1791 All Rights Preserved My first Domain http://nw-in.com/index.htmml http://quads.nw-in.com/quad-enter.html Pics http://quads.nw-in.com/quad-list/quad-list1.htm Home page. http://tnthompson0.tripod.com/homeincyberspace/ Computer Graphics portfolio. http://tnthompson1.tripod.com/index.htm -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.322 / Virus Database: 267.4.1 - Release Date: 6/2/2005 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.322 / Virus Database: 267.4.1 - Release Date: 6/2/2005
Re: [QUAD-L] stem cell research
I'm hearing you Silas! Ethics and Politicians? That's like Heaven & Hell! They can all kiss my numb ass I'm tired of sitting down! Mark ---Original Message--- From: Silas Shelburne Date: 06/01/05 18:21:50 To: David K. Kelmer; Stuntman Cc: Quad-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] stem cell research Ethics smethics, Three forths of the american population doesn't have one dam ethical bone in their bodies. Its allright to rape steal commit adultry and lie, but mention stem cell research and oh hell look out. All the ethics start flying out, must be their guilt from all the unethical things they have done. What about abortion? Where is Bush and why does he look the other way? Where is over half of the american adults , notice I didn't say american population. I bet you'll never find a child for abortion, but ask a young child with a broken neck if there is hope for a cure through stem cell research what their thoughts would be. Man ill hush its just the subject of stem cell and ethics burns my ass! Silas P.S. Guess I just opened big big can of night crawlers. - Original Message - From: David K. Kelmer To: Stuntman Cc: Quad-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2005 1:31 PM Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] stem cell research Hi Stuntman, I think waiting for proof before doing the research could be a long wait. I too would like to see our government err on the side of caution in regards to ethics, and not just in funding of research, but government ethics sounds like an oxymoron these days. With Love, CtrlAltDel aka DaveC4/5 Complete - 29 Years PostTexas, USA Stuntman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Yea,But along with Federal funding comes a lot of extra rules and regulations.Private funded researchers tend to not waste money like their Fedraly funded counterparts, and can make the most rapid advances.Once private research has found a proven technology, then the Federal dollars will flow.Most medical advances actualy start this way.IMHO the media is over playing this issue to further the "Progressive Ideologies" which includes abortion and euthenasia. While Embryonic stem cells "MIGHT" be the answer, there is no proof that it is more promising than stem cells harvested from the person needing treatment.Until that proof unfolds, I'd rather see our gov err on the side of caution in regards to ethics.Stunt> > Hi Stuntman,> > I understand the difference between PRIVATE and FEDERAL funding for research. It's kind of like owning a PRIVATE Corvette and not putting FEDERAL gasoline in it. It will look great in my driveway but won't get me on the road.> > I hope you had a good Memorial Day!> > > With Love,> > CtrlAltDel aka Dave> C4/5 Complete - 29 Years Post> Texas, USA > Stuntman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:> Howdy Dave,> PRIVATE research can still make use of those, it's just not allowed > under FEDERAL funding.> I wish the same would be applied to abortions.> BTW all that money collected by the Reeve's foundation is PRIVATE so it > can make use of those types of stem cell sources.> Stunt-- Freedom: United States Constitution© 1791 All Rights PreservedMy first Domainhttp://nw-in.com/index.htmmlhttp://quads.nw-in.com/quad-enter.htmlPicshttp://quads.nw-in.com/quad-list/quad-list1.htmHome page. http://tnthompson0.tripod.com/homeincyberspace/Computer Graphics portfolio. http://tnthompson1.tripod.com/index.htm
Re: [QUAD-L] stem cell research
And this is what they're funding! This is why they don't even try to research it's pointless and it's a "Ban" or would people want their federal funds wasted on research that we can't use? So I agree they can talk about allowing federal funds then throw them useless material to work with so you're right it's lip service and everyone knows it. Mark A study published in the online journal Nature Medicine says the stem-cell lines are contaminated with a non-human molecule that may make them risky for use in medical therapies. Three years ago, Bush said federal funds could be used for research only on a limited number of stem-cell lines already in existence. That allowed research to continue and enabled the president to assure social conservatives that no new embryos would be destroyed in the process. If few or none of the stem cells in the federally approved batch remain uncontaminated, Bush is wasting precious time. To people suffering from Parkinson's, Alzheimer's, diabetes and other ailments, the president's policy is a failure because it impedes progress. The cells were contaminated because of the manner in which they are processed. Researchers grow the cells in petri dishes lined with cells from mice and bathed in serum derived from calves and other animals. ---Original Message--- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 06/01/05 20:50:35 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Quad-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] stem cell research Now you got it! The feds are funding it, but under such restrictive rules they haven't the resources to perform and duplicate experiments independently. The existing stem cells have been proven to be contaminated. The rules still say that's all they can use. It is lip service. The Bush administration has wrapped itself in stupidity and they are damn proud of it. Remember, morons have rights too! In a message dated 6/1/2005 8:28:03 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Yea,But along with Federal funding comes a lot of extra rules and regulations.Private funded researchers tend to not waste money like their Fedraly funded counterparts, and can make the most rapid advances.Once private research has found a proven technology, then the Federal dollars will flow.Most medical advances actualy start this way.IMHO the media is over playing this issue to further the "Progressive Ideologies" which includes abortion and euthenasia. While Embryonic stem cells "MIGHT" be the answer, there is no proof that it is more promising than stem cells harvested from the person needing treatment.Until that proof unfolds, I'd rather see our gov err on the side of caution in regards to ethics.Stunt> > Hi Stuntman,> > I understand the difference between PRIVATE and FEDERAL funding for research. It's kind of like owning a PRIVATE Corvette and not putting FEDERAL gasoline in it. It will look great in my driveway but won't get me on the road.> > I hope you had a good Memorial Day!> > > With Love,> > CtrlAltDel aka Dave> C4/5 Complete - 29 Years Post> Texas, USA > Stuntman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:> Howdy Dave,> PRIVATE research can still make use of those, it's just not allowed > under FEDERAL funding.> I wish the same would be applied to abortions.> BTW all that money collected by the Reeve's foundation is PRIVATE so it > can make use of those types of stem cell sources.> Stunt-- Freedom: United States Constitution© 1791 All Rights PreservedMy first Domainhttp://nw-in.com/index.htmlhttp://quads.nw-in.com/quad-enter.htmlPicshttp://quads.nw-in.com/quad-list/quad-list1.htmHome page. http://tnthompson0.tripod.com/homeincyberspace/Computer Graphics portfolio. http://tnthompson1.tripod.com/index.htm
Re: [QUAD-L] stem cell research
Amen Jim! And thanks. Silas - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Quad-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 7:11 AM Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] stem cell research I agree with you 100% Silas. All I want to be able to do again is walk. They can stick their ethics where the sun don't shine and get going on the research. Jim
Re: [QUAD-L] stem cell research
I agree with you 100% Silas. All I want to be able to do again is walk. They can stick their ethics where the sun don't shine and get going on the research. Jim
Re: [QUAD-L] "group homes"
In my area they are primarily for developmentally disabled individuals contact your local independent living center - Original Message - From: leigh parrish To: Group Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2005 9:07 PM Subject: [QUAD-L] "group homes" Hey All, Have any of you, had any experience with or know anything about " group homes"? I need info!!please! Thank You, Alley101
Re: [QUAD-L] Magazine & newspaper suggestions
www.newmobility.com paraplegia news sports n' spokes - Original Message - From: S. Dial To: Quadlist Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2005 2:52 PM Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] Magazine & newspaper suggestions Here's a great one: http://www.mouthmag.com/home.htm. Stephanie
[QUAD-L] On a lighter note
A car company can move its factories to Mexico and claim it's a Free Market A toy company can outsource to a Chinese subcontractor and claim it's a free market. A major bank can incorporate in Bermuda to avoid taxes and claim it's a free market. We can buy HP Printers made in Mexico. We can buy shirts made in Bangladesh. We can buy Oysters from Japan We can purchase fish eggs from Russia. We can by Biscuits or flu vaccine from England. We can purchase almost anything we want from many different countries.BUT, heaven help the elderly who dare to buy their prescription drugs from a Canadian or Mexican pharmacy. That's called un-American!And you think the pharmaceutica! l companies don't have a powerful lobby? Think again! Please forward this to every person you know over age 50. Maybe this is an issue that should come up in the next election! Forget the 50, send it to everyone. We're all in this boat together.
[QUAD-L] Pics of my son's new wife and daughter
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