Re: [Norton AntiSpam] Re: [QUAD-L] Bad News

[delimited4]

 No, I'm very sorry for your friends dad, but a severed spinal cord is 
permanent. There is still no treatment available like stem cells or anything. 
Just get use to a new life with new rules.
 
john
 
 
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I don't know all the details right now but I'll keep you updated.
My question was, is it possible at all to recover from a "severed cord" or is 
that final?
My initial thought is no it isn't but hey I've seen some strange things happen.
 
Mark Jackson
 
 
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Subject: [Norton AntiSpam] Re: [QUAD-L] Bad News


What level Mark.  So sorry about your friends father.  What a blow.  My neck 
was severed at C45.  Is that what you're asking?
My condolences,
Dana

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Re: FW: Re: [QUAD-L] hey Steve

[Dan Tessiatore]

Do you take the summers off from work?  That sounds nice if you can.  Pressure 
sores are unbelievably frustrating.  I have had one open since July and have 
been sitting up on a limited basis.  My wound care specialists encourages me to 
stay off of it as much as possible all but says I also can get up once a day 
for an hour or an hour and a half.  By the time you get up is just about time 
you get down.  I have been in bed since noon Wednesday.  Getting up-and-down 
can be tough on the sore.  I do stretch my sitting time when I go into work for 
a couple hours.  I'm considering taking a leave of absence.  I've had this 
store 90 to 95% closed three times and then reopened a wider.  I hope we all 
heal quickly.

William Willis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:  I teach high school English and 
psychology and often do it when I don't feel 
like it. Health certainly is an issue. I've been battling a large sore on 
my butt for over two years.


>From: Dan Tessiatore 
>To: William Willis , quad-list@eskimo.com
>Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] hey Steve
>Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2007 13:59:28 -0800 (PST)
>
>William, what do you do for a living? I am a C4-5 and I work part-time. I 
>have a difficult time managing my health and work, in fact I have reduced 
>my hours below part time lately due to an open pressure sore.
>
>William Willis wrote:
>
>Steve, you echo my thoughts. I am 36 yrs post and will be 55 in May.
>Statistically, my sun should be setting within the next ten years. However,
>I didn't think I would last this long, so who knows.
>I haven't felt "good" for so long I've forgotten the feeling. Like the rest
>of us, I plod on -- sweats, uti, sores, pain, depression, worry and all dem
>wunnerful aspects of quad-dom.
> >
> >I will be 19 years post injury in May and share your goal of living to at
> >least 80, however, as you pointed out, statistically, a C4 quad's average
> >life span is roughly 10-15 years less than someone without a SCI. I am 45
> >now, so I hope I can reasonably count on another 15-20 years, hopefully
> >more.
> >
> >
> >
> >Chronic pain, UTIs, periodic skin trouble, and working full time in spite
> >of
> >it has taken its toll over the past 18 years. I have never really felt
> >good
> >since being injured, but I have really felt lousy for the last year. I am
> >seriously considering a disability retirement. I hate to think I may be
> >squandering future years just for the sake of working, but I don't want 
>to
> >stop working prematurely. It's a tough call.
> >
> >
> >
> >Steve - C4, 18 years
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > _
> >
> >
> >From: B. Kimberlin (Quadius) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >Sent: Monday, January 01, 2007 8:31 PM
> >To: Steve Oldaker
> >Cc: quad-list@eskimo.com
> >Subject: RE: [QUAD-L] Passing of a good friend
> >
> >I am approaching 12 years post injury in April, and I am planning on 
>trying
> >to live until I am at least 80. However, my doctor seemed to think 60s is
> >a
> >more attainable goal. Since I am now 42, that gives me around 18 years,
> >however, I really think I'll last much longer.
> >
> >
> >I have also lost several quadriplegic friends way too early and a few of
> >them have been due to neglect. It is just a shame that our system does 
>not
> >take better care of each other. It amazes me that a society as rich as
> >ours
> >is inordinately uncaring when it comes to making sure each citizen is 
>given
> >affordable housing, care, food, etc.
> >Quadius
> >Steve Oldaker wrote:
> >
> >Passing away at 41 years old is far too young, with or without a SCI. I
> >hope Houston was not alone when he passed, and I hope he was not 
>neglected
> >beforehand. I do not read every message posted on this list, but I always
> >read Houston's.
> >
> >
> >
> >Our local long time quad patriarch and one of my biggest quad mentors
> >passed
> >away at 45, and another local quad friend of mine passed away at 46. They
> >too were far too young to go so soon. I miss them very much.
> >
> >
> >
> >May they all be at peace...
> >
> >
> >
> >Steve - C4, 18 years
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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FW: Re: [QUAD-L] hey Steve

[William Willis]

I teach high school English and psychology and often do it when I don't feel 
like it.  Health certainly is an issue. I've been battling a large sore on 
my butt for over two years.




From: Dan Tessiatore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: William Willis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, quad-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] hey Steve
Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2007 13:59:28 -0800 (PST)

William, what do you do for a living?  I am a C4-5 and I work part-time.  I 
have a difficult time managing my health and work, in fact I have reduced 
my hours below part time lately due to an open pressure sore.


William Willis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Steve, you echo my thoughts. I am 36 yrs post and will be 55 in May.
Statistically, my sun should be setting within the next ten years. However,
I didn't think I would last this long, so who knows.
I haven't felt "good" for so long I've forgotten the feeling. Like the rest
of us, I plod on -- sweats, uti, sores, pain, depression, worry and all dem
wunnerful aspects of quad-dom.
>
>I will be 19 years post injury in May and share your goal of living to at
>least 80, however, as you pointed out, statistically, a C4 quad's average
>life span is roughly 10-15 years less than someone without a SCI. I am 45
>now, so I hope I can reasonably count on another 15-20 years, hopefully
>more.
>
>
>
>Chronic pain, UTIs, periodic skin trouble, and working full time in spite
>of
>it has taken its toll over the past 18 years. I have never really felt
>good
>since being injured, but I have really felt lousy for the last year. I am
>seriously considering a disability retirement. I hate to think I may be
>squandering future years just for the sake of working, but I don't want 
to

>stop working prematurely. It's a tough call.
>
>
>
>Steve - C4, 18 years
>
>
>
>
> _
>
>
>From: B. Kimberlin (Quadius) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Sent: Monday, January 01, 2007 8:31 PM
>To: Steve Oldaker
>Cc: quad-list@eskimo.com
>Subject: RE: [QUAD-L] Passing of a good friend
>
>I am approaching 12 years post injury in April, and I am planning on 
trying

>to live until I am at least 80. However, my doctor seemed to think 60s is
>a
>more attainable goal. Since I am now 42, that gives me around 18 years,
>however, I really think I'll last much longer.
>
>
>I have also lost several quadriplegic friends way too early and a few of
>them have been due to neglect. It is just a shame that our system does 
not

>take better care of each other. It amazes me that a society as rich as
>ours
>is inordinately uncaring when it comes to making sure each citizen is 
given

>affordable housing, care, food, etc.
>Quadius
>Steve Oldaker wrote:
>
>Passing away at 41 years old is far too young, with or without a SCI. I
>hope Houston was not alone when he passed, and I hope he was not 
neglected

>beforehand. I do not read every message posted on this list, but I always
>read Houston's.
>
>
>
>Our local long time quad patriarch and one of my biggest quad mentors
>passed
>away at 45, and another local quad friend of mine passed away at 46. They
>too were far too young to go so soon. I miss them very much.
>
>
>
>May they all be at peace...
>
>
>
>Steve - C4, 18 years
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: [QUAD-L] FYI about cell phones

[LINDA FERRELL]

Hi Bobbie thanks for the info. Did you find a phone that you liked? Happy New 
Year.
Lindaf

Re: [QUAD-L] Bad News

[DiannaL767]

In a message dated 1/5/2007 4:16:20 PM Eastern Standard Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Dan Tessiatore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  wrote:

My  understanding is that no one really severs their spinal cord.   Paralysis 
usually results from swelling of cord or lack of blood flow to the  cord.  
Vertebrate can be broke or damaged and put pressure on the cord  and this can 
cause paralysis.  Sometimes vertebrate are damaged or  broken and paralysis 
doesn't occur or it is  minimal.

I was told that a nerve can be pinched from the fracture &  die from lack of 
blood flow causing the paralysis and that nerves do not  regenerate. so it 
doesn't matter if the cord is completely severed. 

Re: [QUAD-L] hey Linda

[wheelchair]

 
In a message dated 1/5/2007 3:20:16 P.M. Central Standard Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Linda,  how in the world do you manage living alone? How do handle nights? I  
admire you tremendously. I wouldn't have the  guts.






You have to know Linda, to appreciate her savvy.  She has to tell you  her 
story someday.
W

[QUAD-L] Fw: Annual Darwin Awards

[Silas]

And we broke our necks not trying.  Lol.  Silas 



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Subject: FW: Annual Darwin Awards










Enjoy these Annual Events!!!

It's that time again... The Darwin Awards are finally out, the annual honor 
given to the persons who did the gene pool the biggest service by killing 
themselves in the most extraordinarily stupid way.  Last year's winner was the 
fellow who was killed by a Coke machine which toppled over on top of him as he 
was attempting to tip a free soda out.  
This year's winner was a real rocket scientist... really! 

And the nominees were:

Semifinalist #1

A young Canadian man, searching for a way of getting drunk cheaply, because he 
had no money with which to buy alcohol, mixed gasoline with milk. Not 
surprisingly, this concoction made him ill, and he vomited into the fireplace 
in his house. This resulting explosion and fire burned his house down, killing 
both him and his sister. 

Semifinalist #2

Three Brazilian men were flying in a light aircraft at low altitude when 
another plane approached.  It appears that they decided to moon the occupants 
of the other plane, but lost control of their own aircraft and crashed. They 
were all found dead in the wreckage with their pants around their ankles.

Semifinalist #3

A 22-year-old Reston, VA, man was found dead after he tried to use octopus 
straps to bungee jump off a 70-foot rail road trestle. Fairfax County police 
said Eric Barcia, a fast food worker, taped a bunch of these straps together, 
wrapped an end around one foot, anchored the other end to the trestle at Lake 
Accotink Park, jumped and hit the  pavement.  Warren Carmichael, a police 
spokesman, said investigators think Barcia was alone because his car was found 
nearby.  "The length of the cord that he had assembled was greater than the 
distance between the trestle and the ground," Carmichael said.  Police say the 
apparent cause of death was "Major trauma." 

Semifinalist #4

A man in Alabama died from rattlesnake bites. It seems that he and a friend 
were playing a game of catch, using the rattlesnake as a ball. The friend - no 
doubt a future Darwin Awards candidate - was hospitalized. 

Semifinalist #5

Employees in a medium-sized warehouse in west Texas noticed the smell of a gas 
leak.  Sensibly, management evacuated the building extinguishing all potential 
sources of ignition; lights, power, etc.  After the building had been 
evacuated, two technicians from the gas company were dispatched. Upon entering 
the building, they found they had difficulty navigating in the dark.  To their 
frustration, none of the lights worked. Witnesses later described the sight of 
one of the technicians reaching into his pocket and retrieving an object that 
resembled a cigarette lighter. Upon operation of the lighter-like object, the 
gas in the warehouse exploded, sending pieces of it up to three miles away. 
Nothing was found of the technicians, but the lighter was virtually untouched 
by the explosion. The technician suspected of causing the last had never been 
thought of as ''bright'' by his peers.

Now ladies and gentleman, the winner of this year's Darwin Award:

The Arizona Highway Patrol came upon a pile of smoldering metal embedded in the 
side of a cliff rising above the road at the apex of a curve. The wreckage 
resembled the site of an airplane crash, but it was a car. The type of car was 
unidentifiable at the scene. Police investigators finally pieced together the 
mystery.  An amateur rocket scientist... had somehow gotten hold of a JATO unit 
(Jet Assisted Take Off, actually a solid fuel rocket) that is used to give 
heavy military transport planes an extra "push" for taking off from short 
airfields.  He had driven his Chevy Impala out into the desert and found a 
long, straight stretch of road. He attached the JATO unit to the car, jumped 
in, got up some speed and fired off the JATO! 

The facts as best as could be determined are that the operator of the 1967 
Impala hit the JATO ignition at a distance of approximately 3.0 miles from the 
crash site.  This was established by the scorched and melted asphalt at that 
location. The JATO, if operating properly, would have reached maximum thrust 
within 5 seconds, causing the Chevy to reach speeds well in excess of 350 mph 
and continuing at full power for an additional 20-25 seconds. The driver, and 
soon to be pilot, would have experienced G-forces usually reserved for dog 
fighting F-14 jocks under full afterburners, causing him to become irrelevant 
for the remainder of the event. However, the automobile remained on the 
straight highway for about 2.5 miles (15-20 seconds) before the driver applied 
and completely melted the brakes, blowing the tires and leaving thick rubber 
marks on the road surface, then becoming airborne for an additional l 1.4 miles 
and impacting the cliff face at a height of 125 fe

Re: [QUAD-L] Bad News

[RollinOn]

I see stem cell research going a lot faster now that the Dems are in control, 
let's just hope they can get it through without a veto.

Mark Jackson


- Original Message - 
From: Danny Hearn 
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED];Quad-list
Sent: 1/5/2007 12:48:23 PM 
Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] Bad News


  Hi Mark... You are correct, The Spinal Doc's Told me that INCOMPLETES = Non 
severed cords have recovered or gotten better. Those like me COMPLETE= 
completely severed cords have not got much better. But I'm not giving up 
hope...thats what all the stem cell research and other types of research is 
trying to find cures and ways of improvement for us all.

 Dan H.

RollinOn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I found out this morning a friend's father hit a tree last night and severed 
his spinal cord.
I just broke down when I heard this, I wish this crap on nobody.

He was driving to Dallas and that's where he's at right now.

Has any one ever made a recovery with a severed cord, I've just never thought 
about it until now?
My thought is it can't happen but I just don't know.


Mark Jackson

Re: [QUAD-L] Bad News

[Dan Tessiatore]

A complete SCI injury is commonly known as having no function below injury 
level.  A severed cord would mean a person is decapitated.  When

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  My understanding is that no one really severs 
their spinal cord.   I completely SEVERED my spinal cord AND dislocated C 5
  
   
   
  Bobbie Humphreys C-5,6.7 motocross jumping accident in 1973 at 17
Married to Sweet Pete Living in Parsippany, New Jersey

[QUAD-L] RE: Bad News

[RollinOn]

I appreciate everyone's concern about this tragedy and I pray I've got  
inaccurate info for his sake.
Thanks for everyone's prayers too. 

Mark Jackson


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From: 
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED];Quad-list@eskimo.com
Sent: 1/5/2007 1:11:30 PM 
Subject: Bad News


I always hate to read stories like these, and I'm sorry for your friend, Mark.
Over the years, I hear and read of similar stories like Mark's and wonder if 
the initial information is truly correct.  People have reported saying what 
they believe they heard or thought they heard, only to find out that it may 
not have been that bad.  I hope that is the case with your friends father, Mark.

Everyone here knows what happens, or what can happen when someone... anyone is 
faced with a trauma like trying to move a tree.  Let's hope that your friend's 
father gets the very best care and service and does well.

W






In a message dated 1/5/2007 11:34:40 A.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL 
PROTECTED] writes:
I found out this morning a friend's father hit a tree last night and severed 
his spinal cord.
I just broke down when I heard this, I wish this crap on nobody.

He was driving to Dallas and that's where he's at right now.

Has any one ever made a recovery with a severed cord, I've just never thought 
about it until now?
My thought is it can't happen but I just don't know.


Mark Jackson

Re: [QUAD-L] Bad News

[Bobbie299]

My understanding is that no one really severs their spinal cord.
 I completely SEVERED my spinal cord AND dislocated C 5


Bobbie Humphreys C-5,6.7 motocross jumping accident in 1973 at 17
Married to Sweet Pete Living in Parsippany, New Jersey

Re: [QUAD-L] hey Steve

[Dan Tessiatore]

William, what do you do for a living?  I am a C4-5 and I work part-time.  I 
have a difficult time managing my health and work, in fact I have reduced my 
hours below part time lately due to an open pressure sore.

William Willis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:  

Steve, you echo my thoughts. I am 36 yrs post and will be 55 in May. 
Statistically, my sun should be setting within the next ten years. However, 
I didn't think I would last this long, so who knows.
I haven't felt "good" for so long I've forgotten the feeling. Like the rest 
of us, I plod on -- sweats, uti, sores, pain, depression, worry and all dem 
wunnerful aspects of quad-dom.
>
>I will be 19 years post injury in May and share your goal of living to at
>least 80, however, as you pointed out, statistically, a C4 quad's average
>life span is roughly 10-15 years less than someone without a SCI. I am 45
>now, so I hope I can reasonably count on another 15-20 years, hopefully
>more.
>
>
>
>Chronic pain, UTIs, periodic skin trouble, and working full time in spite 
>of
>it has taken its toll over the past 18 years. I have never really felt 
>good
>since being injured, but I have really felt lousy for the last year. I am
>seriously considering a disability retirement. I hate to think I may be
>squandering future years just for the sake of working, but I don't want to
>stop working prematurely. It's a tough call.
>
>
>
>Steve - C4, 18 years
>
>
>
>
> _
>
>
>From: B. Kimberlin (Quadius) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Sent: Monday, January 01, 2007 8:31 PM
>To: Steve Oldaker
>Cc: quad-list@eskimo.com
>Subject: RE: [QUAD-L] Passing of a good friend
>
>I am approaching 12 years post injury in April, and I am planning on trying
>to live until I am at least 80. However, my doctor seemed to think 60s is 
>a
>more attainable goal. Since I am now 42, that gives me around 18 years,
>however, I really think I'll last much longer.
>
>
>I have also lost several quadriplegic friends way too early and a few of
>them have been due to neglect. It is just a shame that our system does not
>take better care of each other. It amazes me that a society as rich as 
>ours
>is inordinately uncaring when it comes to making sure each citizen is given
>affordable housing, care, food, etc.
>Quadius
>Steve Oldaker wrote:
>
>Passing away at 41 years old is far too young, with or without a SCI. I
>hope Houston was not alone when he passed, and I hope he was not neglected
>beforehand. I do not read every message posted on this list, but I always
>read Houston's.
>
>
>
>Our local long time quad patriarch and one of my biggest quad mentors 
>passed
>away at 45, and another local quad friend of mine passed away at 46. They
>too were far too young to go so soon. I miss them very much.
>
>
>
>May they all be at peace...
>
>
>
>Steve - C4, 18 years
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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[QUAD-L] hey Steve

[William Willis]

Steve, you echo my thoughts. I am 36 yrs post and will be 55 in May. 
Statistically, my sun should be setting within the next ten years. However, 
I didn't think I would last this long, so who knows.
I haven't felt "good" for so long I've forgotten the feeling. Like the rest 
of us, I plod on -- sweats, uti, sores, pain, depression, worry and all dem 
wunnerful aspects of quad-dom.


I will be 19 years post injury in May and share your goal of living to at
least 80, however, as you pointed out, statistically, a C4 quad's  average
life span is roughly 10-15 years less than someone without a SCI.  I am 45
now, so I hope I can reasonably count on another 15-20 years, hopefully
more.



Chronic pain, UTIs, periodic skin trouble, and working full time in spite 
of
it has taken its toll over the past 18 years.  I have never really felt 
good

since being injured, but I have really felt lousy for the last year.  I am
seriously considering a disability retirement.  I hate to think I may be
squandering future years just for the sake of working, but I don't want to
stop working prematurely.  It's a tough call.



Steve - C4, 18 years




  _


From: B. Kimberlin (Quadius) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, January 01, 2007 8:31 PM
To: Steve Oldaker
Cc: quad-list@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: [QUAD-L] Passing of a good friend

I am approaching 12 years post injury in April, and I am planning on trying
to live until I am at least 80.  However, my doctor seemed to think 60s is 
a

more attainable goal.  Since I am now 42, that gives me around 18 years,
however, I really think I'll last much longer.


I have also lost several quadriplegic friends way too early and a few of
them have been due to neglect.  It is just a shame that our system does not
take better care of each other.  It amazes me that a society as rich as 
ours

is inordinately uncaring when it comes to making sure each citizen is given
affordable housing, care, food, etc.
Quadius
Steve Oldaker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Passing away at 41 years old is far too young, with or without a SCI.  I
hope Houston was not alone when he passed, and I hope he was not neglected
beforehand.  I do not read every message posted on this list, but I always
read Houston's.



Our local long time quad patriarch and one of my biggest quad mentors 
passed

away at 45, and another local quad friend of mine passed away at 46.  They
too were far too young to go so soon.  I miss them very much.



May they all be at peace...



Steve - C4, 18 years







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Re: [QUAD-L] Bad News

[Danny Hearn]

  Yes Silas that often can happenyou are an incomplete but function 
more as a complete. A simple bump or trauma to the spine can leave a person 
completely paralyzed for life. I spent 2 months in SCI classes, either way 
complete or not we are still paralyzed. (  incompletes have got well in some 
cases.  Dan

Silas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:  Hi Dan, 
  Im a complete quad c4 but swelling rose making me a c3, my spinal cord was 
not complety severed just mashed.  
  Silas 
- Original Message - 
  From: Danny Hearn 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; Quad-list 
  Sent: Friday, January 05, 2007 10:47 AM
  Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] Bad News
  

Hi Mark... You are correct, The Spinal Doc's Told me that INCOMPLETES = Non 
severed cords have recovered or gotten better. Those like me COMPLETE= 
completely severed cords have not got much better. But I'm not giving up 
hope...thats what all the stem cell research and other types of research is 
trying to find cures and ways of improvement for us all.

   Dan H.

RollinOn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I found out this morning a friend's father hit a tree last night and 
severed his spinal cord.
  I just broke down when I heard this, I wish this crap on nobody.
   
  He was driving to Dallas and that's where he's at right now.
   
  Has any one ever made a recovery with a severed cord, I've just never thought 
about it until now?
  My thought is it can't happen but I just don't know.
   
   
  Mark Jackson
   
  

[QUAD-L] hey Linda

[William Willis]

Linda, how in the world do you manage living alone? How do handle nights? I 
admire you tremendously. I wouldn't have the guts.



From: LINDA FERRELL <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], Quad-list 
Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] Bad News
Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2007 12:50:02 -0800 (PST)

Hi Mark,
Sorry to hear about your friends father. I hate to hear about new quads 
too.  I have a severed spinal cord at the C4-5 & I live alone in my apt. So 
there is life after a spinal cord injury. I wish your friend well.

Lindaf

Re: [QUAD-L] Bad News

[Silas]

Hi Dan, 
Im a complete quad c4 but swelling rose making me a c3, my spinal cord was not 
complety severed just mashed.  
Silas 
  - Original Message - 
  From: Danny Hearn 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; Quad-list 
  Sent: Friday, January 05, 2007 10:47 AM
  Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] Bad News


Hi Mark... You are correct, The Spinal Doc's Told me that INCOMPLETES = Non 
severed cords have recovered or gotten better. Those like me COMPLETE= 
completely severed cords have not got much better. But I'm not giving up 
hope...thats what all the stem cell research and other types of research is 
trying to find cures and ways of improvement for us all.

   Dan H.

  RollinOn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I found out this morning a friend's father hit a tree last night and 
severed his spinal cord.
I just broke down when I heard this, I wish this crap on nobody.

He was driving to Dallas and that's where he's at right now.

Has any one ever made a recovery with a severed cord, I've just never 
thought about it until now?
My thought is it can't happen but I just don't know.


Mark Jackson

Re: [QUAD-L] Bad News

[Danny Hearn]

  Sorry Dan T . but MY spine and CORD were severedyes the cord does get 
severed.
  Dan H.

Dan Tessiatore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  My understanding is that no one really severs their spinal cord.  Paralysis 
usually results from swelling of cord or lack of blood flow to the cord.  
Vertebrate can be broke or damaged and put pressure on the cord and this can 
cause paralysis.  Sometimes vertebrate are damaged or broken and paralysis 
doesn't occur or it is minimal.

RollinOn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I found out this morning a friend's 
father hit a tree last night and severed his spinal cord.
  I just broke down when I heard this, I wish this crap on nobody.
   
  He was driving to Dallas and that's where he's at right now.
   
  Has any one ever made a recovery with a severed cord, I've just never thought 
about it until now?
  My thought is it can't happen but I just don't know.
   
   
  Mark Jackson
   
  


.

Re: [QUAD-L] Supra-pubic question

[LINDA FERRELL]

Hello Dan,
 Talking about your supra pubic catheter, lot of times trauma will cause it to 
bleed. My SP will bleed if the tubing is pulled, I just use a triple antibiotic 
ointment at the site 
Lindaf

Re: [QUAD-L] Bad News

[LINDA FERRELL]

Hi Mark,
Sorry to hear about your friends father. I hate to hear about new quads too.  I 
have a severed spinal cord at the C4-5 & I live alone in my apt. So there is 
life after a spinal cord injury. I wish your friend well.
Lindaf

Re: [QUAD-L] Bad News

[Dan Tessiatore]

My understanding is that no one really severs their spinal cord.  Paralysis 
usually results from swelling of cord or lack of blood flow to the cord.  
Vertebrate can be broke or damaged and put pressure on the cord and this can 
cause paralysis.  Sometimes vertebrate are damaged or broken and paralysis 
doesn't occur or it is minimal.

RollinOn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:I found out this morning a friend's 
father hit a tree last night and severed his spinal cord.
  I just broke down when I heard this, I wish this crap on nobody.
   
  He was driving to Dallas and that's where he's at right now.
   
  Has any one ever made a recovery with a severed cord, I've just never thought 
about it until now?
  My thought is it can't happen but I just don't know.
   
   
  Mark Jackson
   
  

.

Re: [QUAD-L] Bad News

[Danny Hearn]

 Hi, Hector.Dan H.  here , I live in the St. Louis, Missouri area. I'm 
49 years old and 9 years post injury---  C-6  complete- car accident. Welcome 
to the list.

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  Hi Hector,
Welcome to the group.  It will be great to get to know you.  Your job sounds 
really cool, I would like to hear more about.  Thank you for joining.  Feel 
free to contact the group or anybody personally.  It is great to meet fellow 
members.
My name is Dana, C 4- 5 complete, 53 years young, 32 years post, and I live in 
Prairie village, Kansas which is in Johnson County, a suburb of soon after her 
Kansas City, I was a passenger of a MVA in the age of 20, after my summer 
school of the the my junior year in college..  My roommate just hit the curb , 
and jerked the car back on the road causing it to roll and I was not wearing a 
seatbelt.  duh
   
  It's interesting to know where others live I think so we can see how far are 
we are.  I don't know any others in Kansas City unfortunately.  It seemed like 
we are kind of spread out 
   
  Dana..
A few other web site to check, you could place names with faces.  Stunt also 
has more that you might enjoy that were recently posted.
   
  [EMAIL PROTECTED],[EMAIL PROTECTED],
   
  Hi,

I'm new here. I'm 34 male c5-c6 and hope to make friends and find  
resources to be shared among all of us. I was a victim of a drunk  
driver.
I am a film editor/producer. Anyone feel free to send me emails so we  
can become good friends.

Thanks,

Hector

Fwd: Re: [QUAD-L] Passing of a good friend- Sweet Memories Are Made of This...

[andrea murray]

You can count me in too! We should have a big party for Houson.
  Wheelchair Warrir

Note: forwarded message attached.

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Will do. And we will have a beverage or 3 for our dear friend Houston! 

Tim


- Original Message 
From: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; quad-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Friday, January 5, 2007 9:57:31 AM
Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] Passing of a good friend- Sweet Memories Are Made of 
This...


What a generous offer!  Just send your private jet to Midway Airport and we'll 
find a way to get there with Warrior, Stuntman, Myself and the rest of the 
Hoosier Barnacles.
 
W
 
 
In a message dated 1/5/2007 9:02:54 A.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL 
PROTECTED] writes:
Thank you W for the updated information on what happened to Houston. I too 
regret not making it to one of Stuntman's bbq's and meeting Houston and the 
rest of you. I am rollin'- but when I get rollin' big & rich I'll have to send 
plane tickets out to everyone on the list for a bash in the Hawkeye State.

Tim
www.geocities.com/onemofortom

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[QUAD-L] Bad News- Recovery ??

[wheelchair]

 
Recovery is the magic word with many different answers.  Normal, is  another 
one of those words.
Things happen and events can happen.  There are members of this list  who are 
medically complete quads and have survived to tell their tale.
Let's continue to hope and pray for the answer you seek.  It won't  happen 
overnight.
Best Wishes
W
 
 
 
In a message dated 1/5/2007 12:33:23 P.M. Central Standard Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

I don't know all the details right now but  I'll keep you updated.
My question was, is it possible at all to  recover from a "severed cord" or 
is that final?
My initial thought is no it isn't but hey I've  seen some strange things 
happen.
 
 
Mark Jackson




 

[QUAD-L] Bad News

[wheelchair]

 
I always hate to read stories like these, and I'm sorry for your friend,  
Mark.
Over the years, I hear and read of similar stories like Mark's and wonder  if 
the initial information is truly correct.  People have reported saying  what 
they believe they heard or thought they heard, only to find out that it  
may not have been that bad.  I hope that is the case with your friends  father, 
Mark.
 
Everyone here knows what happens, or what can happen when someone... anyone  
is faced with a trauma like trying to move a tree.  Let's hope that your  
friend's father gets the very best care and service and does well.
 
W
 
 
 
 
 
 
In a message dated 1/5/2007 11:34:40 A.M. Central Standard Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

I found out this morning a friend's father hit a tree last night and  severed 
his spinal cord.
I just broke down when I heard this, I wish this crap on nobody.
 
He was driving to Dallas and that's where he's at right now.
 
Has any one ever made a recovery with a severed cord, I've just never  
thought about it until now?
My thought is it can't happen but I just don't know.
 
 
Mark Jackson



 

Re: [QUAD-L] Bad News

[DAANOO]

Hi Hector,
Welcome to the group.  It will be great to get to know  you.  Your job sounds 
really cool, I would like to hear more about.   Thank you for joining.  Feel 
free to contact the group or anybody  personally.  It is great to meet fellow 
members.
My name is Dana, C 4- 5  complete, 53 years young, 32 years post, and I live 
in Prairie village, Kansas  which is in Johnson County, a suburb of soon after 
her Kansas City, I was a  passenger of a MVA in the age of 20, after my 
summer school of the the my junior  year in college..  My roommate just hit the 
curb , and jerked the car back  on the road causing it to roll and I was not 
wearing a seatbelt.  duh
 
It's interesting to know where others live I think so we can see how far  are 
we are.  I don't know any others in Kansas City unfortunately.  It  seemed 
like we are kind of spread out 
 
Dana..
A few other web site to check, you could place names with  faces.  Stunt also 
has more that you might enjoy that were recently  posted.
 
[EMAIL PROTECTED],[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
(mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED],[EMAIL PROTECTED]) ,
 
Hi,

I'm  new here. I'm 34 male c5-c6 and hope to make friends and find   
resources to be shared among all of us. I was a victim of a drunk   
driver.
I am a film editor/producer. Anyone feel free to send me emails  so we  
can become good  friends.

Thanks,

Hector

Re: [QUAD-L] Bad News

[Eric W Rudd]

Umm...I may be wrong, but I think a severed cord is a "complete" sci.
 
 
Eric W Rudd
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 

-Original Message-
From: RollinOn [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, January 05, 2007 12:24 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; quad-list@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: [Norton AntiSpam] Re: [QUAD-L] Bad News


I don't know all the details right now but I'll keep you updated.
My question was, is it possible at all to recover from a "severed cord" or
is that final?
My initial thought is no it isn't but hey I've seen some strange things
happen.
 
Mark Jackson
 
 

- Original Message - 
From:   
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED];quad-list@eskimo.com
Sent: 1/5/2007 11:45:30 AM 
Subject: [Norton AntiSpam] Re: [QUAD-L] Bad News


What level Mark.  So sorry about your friends father.  What a blow.  My neck
was severed at C45.  Is that what you're asking?
My condolences,
Dana

Re: [QUAD-L] Bad News

[Danny Hearn]

  Hi Mark... You are correct, The Spinal Doc's Told me that INCOMPLETES = Non 
severed cords have recovered or gotten better. Those like me COMPLETE= 
completely severed cords have not got much better. But I'm not giving up 
hope...thats what all the stem cell research and other types of research is 
trying to find cures and ways of improvement for us all.

   Dan H.

RollinOn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I found out this morning a friend's father hit a tree last night and 
severed his spinal cord.
  I just broke down when I heard this, I wish this crap on nobody.
   
  He was driving to Dallas and that's where he's at right now.
   
  Has any one ever made a recovery with a severed cord, I've just never thought 
about it until now?
  My thought is it can't happen but I just don't know.
   
   
  Mark Jackson
   
  

RE: [Norton AntiSpam] Re: [QUAD-L] Bad News

[RollinOn]

I don't know all the details right now but I'll keep you updated.
My question was, is it possible at all to recover from a "severed cord" or is 
that final?
My initial thought is no it isn't but hey I've seen some strange things happen.

Mark Jackson


- Original Message - 
From: 
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED];quad-list@eskimo.com
Sent: 1/5/2007 11:45:30 AM 
Subject: [Norton AntiSpam] Re: [QUAD-L] Bad News


What level Mark.  So sorry about your friends father.  What a blow.  My neck 
was severed at C45.  Is that what you're asking?
My condolences,
Dana

Re: [QUAD-L] Bad News

[DAANOO]

What level Mark.  So sorry about your friends father.  What a  blow.  My neck 
was severed at C45.  Is that what you're asking?
My condolences,
Dana

[QUAD-L] Bad News

[RollinOn]

I found out this morning a friend's father hit a tree last night and severed 
his spinal cord.
I just broke down when I heard this, I wish this crap on nobody.

He was driving to Dallas and that's where he's at right now.

Has any one ever made a recovery with a severed cord, I've just never thought 
about it until now?
My thought is it can't happen but I just don't know.


Mark Jackson

Re: [QUAD-L] Passing of a good friend- Sweet Memories Are Made of This...

[t crook]

Will do. And we will have a beverage or 3 for our dear friend Houston! 

Tim


- Original Message 
From: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; quad-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Friday, January 5, 2007 9:57:31 AM
Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] Passing of a good friend- Sweet Memories Are Made of 
This...


What a generous offer!  Just send your private jet to Midway Airport and we'll 
find a way to get there with Warrior, Stuntman, Myself and the rest of the 
Hoosier Barnacles.
 
W
 
 
In a message dated 1/5/2007 9:02:54 A.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL 
PROTECTED] writes:
Thank you W for the updated information on what happened to Houston. I too 
regret not making it to one of Stuntman's bbq's and meeting Houston and the 
rest of you. I am rollin'- but when I get rollin' big & rich I'll have to send 
plane tickets out to everyone on the list for a bash in the Hawkeye State.

Tim
www.geocities.com/onemofortom

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Re: [QUAD-L] Passing of a good friend- Sweet Memories Are Made of This...

[wheelchair]

 
What a generous offer!  Just send your private jet to Midway Airport  and 
we'll find a way to get there with Warrior, Stuntman, Myself and the rest of  
the 
Hoosier Barnacles.
 
W
 
 
In a message dated 1/5/2007 9:02:54 A.M. Central Standard Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Thank  you W for the updated information on what happened to Houston. I  too 
regret not making it to one of Stuntman's bbq's and meeting Houston  and the 
rest of you. I am rollin'- but when I get rollin' big & rich I'll  have to send 
plane tickets out to everyone on the list for a bash in the  Hawkeye State.

Tim
_www.geocities.com/onemofortom_ (http://www.geocities.com/onemofortom) 



 

[QUAD-L] Supra-pubic question

[Danny Hearn]

  Hi all, The last few months the tissue around my supra-pubic has been 
bleeding more than it used to. Has anyone else had that problem or know of a 
product that may help that?? It seems a while back I think someone said they 
spayed miricle mist on theirs and it seemed to help, if anyone knows -- please 
post.  Thanks ALL and hope we all have a good new year ahead of us !
Dan H. 

Re: [QUAD-L] Passing of a good friend- Sweet Memories Are Made of This...

[t crook]

Thank you W for the updated information on what happened to Houston. I too 
regret not making it to one of Stuntman's bbq's and meeting Houston and the 
rest of you. I am rollin'- but when I get rollin' big & rich I'll have to send 
plane tickets out to everyone on the list for a bash in the Hawkeye State.

Tim
www.geocities.com/onemofortom

 
- Original Message 
From: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; quad-list@eskimo.com; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, January 3, 2007 5:16:29 PM
Subject: [QUAD-L] Passing of a good friend- Sweet Memories Are Made of This...


As Dean Martin once say,   Sweet, Sweet, The Memories You Gave To Me.
I talked with Houston's Uncle Bruce Leek, this afternoon for about an hour.  He 
mentioned that the family is still in shock as Houston was supposed to attend a 
family Christmas dinner on that very day.  Houston's family, come from a mix of 
Christians, Muslims and Buddhists. What a most unique background to have.
When Houston didn't show up, some of the family members went to his apartment 
in Northern Indianapolis to check up on him.  He said that he didn't feel well 
and couldn't leave his apartment.  His family stayed with him and suggested 
that he go to the hospital's ER room if he felt that bad.  An ambulance was 
called and arrived at his apartment and took him to the hospital.  On the way 
to the hospital, he suffered a massive heart attack.  In spite of all the 
efforts in the ambulance to assist Houston, his situation was grave from that 
very morning.  His body was not in great shape and the arteries were blocked.  
Had it been a simple attack, he would still be alive today, but this one was 
massive, according to his blood relative.  Needless to say, his family is still 
reeling the affects of the holidays. His Uncle Bruce, said the burial services 
were very special, in that, those who attended, joked and laughed as Houston 
would have wanted it to be, just as he wanted.
Houston passed quickly on the way to the hospital, in peace.  I asked his Uncle 
Bruce for permission to repeat and print the story and he said yes.
 
That's the story.  If anyone wants his Uncle's Number, email me.  Houston
Sweet Memories Are Made of This.
 
W
 
 
 
In a message dated 1/2/2007 9:32:24 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL 
PROTECTED] writes:
He was a free spirit.
Sorry to hear he passed on.
I have some pics of him
http://quads.nw-in.com/bbq/andrea-houston-stuntman1.htm
http://quads.nw-in.com/Quad-list/index.html 
 
Stunt

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[QUAD-L] Fwd: Medicare Part D: Transitioning Into 2007

[DAANOO]

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MEDICARE PART D: TRANSITIONING INTO 2007

INTRODUCTION

Many Medicare beneficiaries will experience changes in their Medicare Part D 
prescription drug coverage in January 2007.  Some beneficiaries may be in a new 
drug plan either because they chose a new plan or because they were reassigned 
from a drug plan that no longer qualifies as a "benchmark" plan for low-income 
subsidy purposes.  Other beneficiaries may be in the same drug plan, but the 
formulary or utilization management tools may be different in 2007.  
Beneficiaries need to be aware of what protection is available to allow them to 
continue with their medication during the transition from their 2006 to their 
2007 coverage.

TRANSITION GUIDANCE

The Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services (CMS) issued Guidance to address 
some potential transition problems. See, "Calendar Year 2007 Transition 
Guidance," 
.
  The Guidance provides answers to the following problems:

A Beneficiary Enrolls In, During an Initial Enrollment Period, a Part D Plan 
That Does Not Cover All of Her Drugs:

 -- The plan should fill a one-time, 30-day transition supply of the medication 
("transition fill") within the first 90 days of enrollment.[1]
 -- The plan should charge the relevant low-income subsidy (LIS) cost-sharing 
or, if the individual does not qualify for LIS, the cost-sharing used for 
non-formulary drugs approved through the exception process.
 -- The plan should mail a notice to the beneficiary within 3 days of the 
transition fill describing the need to request an exception or to change to a 
formulary drug.
 -- The plan should make prior authorization and exception request forms 
available by mail, fax, e-mail, on the plan's website, and by link to the CMS 
web site.
 -- The transition process described above is the standard process available to 
all beneficiaries who are eligible for a transition fill.

A Beneficiary Changes to a Drug Plan in 2007 That Does Not Cover All of Her 
Drugs:

 -- The beneficiary is entitled to the standard transition process described 
above.

A Beneficiary Who Changes Drug Plans in 2007 is Prescribed a New Medication 
Within the First 90 Days of Coverage Under the 2007 Plan and the New Medication 
is Not On the Plan's Formulary:

 -- If the plan can distinguish that the drug is a new prescription, the plan 
does not have to provide a transition fill, and the beneficiary must seek an 
exception or change medicines.
 -- If the plan cannot distinguish a newly prescribed medication, the plan 
transition process described above should apply.

Medications Taken by a Beneficiary In 2006 are On Her New (2007) Drug Plan's 
Formulary But are Subject to Utilization Management Requirements:[2]

 -- The transition process described above should apply to any medication the 
beneficiary had previously taken.
 -- No transition process applies, however, if the prescription is for a new 
medication and the plan can distinguish, at the point-of-sale, a new 
prescription from a prescription the beneficiary had previously been taking.

A Beneficiary Remains In the Same Drug Plan In 2007, But the Drug Plan Removes 
a Prescription the Beneficiary Uses From Its Formulary or Adds Utilization 
Management Requirements:

 -- The beneficiary should have received an Annual Notice of Change (ANOC) from 
the drug plan that described the formulary change.
 -- If the beneficiary did not seek an exception before December 31, 2006, the 
transition process described above should apply.

A Beneficiary Remains In the Same Drug Plan In 2007 and Continues to Require a 
Prescription for Which the Plan Granted the Beneficiary an Exception In 2006:

 -- The drug plan may continue the exception in 2007.
 -- If the drug plan chose not to honor the exception in 2007, the plan should 
have notified the beneficiary 60 days before the end of 2006[3], and it should 
either
  -- Have offered to process a prospective exception for 2007, or
  -- Provide the beneficiary with a temporary supply of the drug in the 
beginning of 2007 as well as with notice of the need to change to another drug 
or seek another exception, i.e., the standard transition process should apply.

IF PROBLEMS OCCUR

If a transition prescription fill is denied: 

 -- The beneficiary should contact the drug plan right away to determine the 
drug plan's transition policy and to alert the plan to the problem.
 -- If the beneficiary disagrees with the determination of the drug plan, the 
beneficiary may 
  -- File a grievance with the drug plan,
  -- File a complaint with the CMS regional office.
 -- Regardless of whether a transition fill is provided, the beneficiary must 
either 
  -- Seek an exception so that the plan will cover the drug, or 
  -- Talk to the prescribing physician about changing to a formulary drug.
 -- A beneficiary may contact the local State Health

[QUAD-L] Fwd: CAMR -- Urgent Update on Stem Cell Legislation

[DAANOO]

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January 5, 2007Dear CAMR Members,I hope you had a wonderful and restful holiday season. We do not have a second to waste. We must immediately put pressure on Congress to enact the Stem Cell Research Enhancement Act.The bill will be reintroduced in both the Senate and House this week. We will provide you with bill numbers as soon as they are assigned and official. Getting this bipartisan bill passed and enacted has been identified as a top priority by the leadership in both the Senate and the House of Representatives. A vote on the bill is expected in both chambers soon.

Today is the day that the new Senators and Representatives will be sworn in and be given the keys to their new offices. Activate your network to begin calling these offices as soon as their phones are turned on. We do not have much time to get the word out about the Stem Cell Research Enhancement Act before the vote is expected in both the House and Senate in a matter of days.

Please keep in mind that the newly elected officials will be opening new offices and may not yet have a full staff. These first few days for them will be busy and it is critical that we make a great first impression as an organization. When you contact them remember to be polite but firm. You may have to try several times before your call is answered, and don't be surprised if your Representative or Senator even answers the phone!

Our message to all Members of Congress is:

"Now is the time to pass and enact meaningful stem cell legislation! The Stem Cell Research Enhancement Act will be one of the first bills presented to you for a vote in the 110th Congress and I urge you to vote yes."

You can contact your Representative and Senators at the following numbers:

Representative Moore:  (202) 225-2865
Senator Brownback:  (202) 224-6521
Senator Roberts:  (202) 224-4774

Thank you and we will keep you updated as events occur.

Sincerely,

Sean TiptonPresident
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