Re: [QUAD-L] circulating air mattress
Hi Tim, I use a Air-Pro® Series - Overlay Mattress Pad model 4810 with an Air-Pro® Elite Pump Model 4401 http://www.bluechipmedical.com/airpro.htmA Pro Pad Deluxe® MODEL 4810 I put that Pad between my mattress and a Spenco Comfort Touch Traditional Mattress Pad http://www.medicalproductsdirect.com/spencomtouct.html Good luck finding a comfortable Overlay. Stay strong. With Love, CtrlAltDel aka Dave C4/5 Complete - 31 Years Post Texas, USA Tim Syfert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What kind of circulating air matress do you use on your bed? I've been using the low-end one with the cheap vinyl mattress that springs leaks every 3 months or so, but I feel I need something of more quality and effectivness. Tim - Park yourself in front of a world of choices in alternative vehicles. Visit the Yahoo! Auto Green Center.
[QUAD-L] Re: Welcome to the Beer Belly League
Hi keith, i sent Mark an ivite into The Beer Belly League. Rick --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey Rick, This is Keith from the Quad List and the Fantasy Football group. AKA Just-4-Kicks I was talking with Mark Jackson ([EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) ) about your private league and if he could have my spot since he was in it last year. I'm fine with him replacing me, but I wanted to run it bye you before we did the change. If it's easier for you to change us then by all means please do. Like remove me and invite Mark. If not, then send me an email and invite him and I'll remove myself. Thanks, Keith/34/C4-5Quad/NJ PS. This is your league's address you sent me...with password. _http://freemeeting.0.football.nfl.com/splash/invite/3817/172868/86162afa37792 9a5_ (http://freemeeting.0.football.nfl.com/splash/invite/3817/172868/86162afa377929a5) Password: 123456 ** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour Building a website is a piece of cake. Yahoo! Small Business gives you all the tools to get online. http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/webhosting
[QUAD-L] Syrnix-
Hey guys and gals, I had a MRI on Monday and I do have a syrinx- its small but it must be the cause of my pain. I don't have a clue what to do, maybe you all mite have some input. Thanks Silas
Re: [QUAD-L] Syrnix-
SORRY, SILAS...QUITE A FEW OF US HAVE IT. THEY REALLY CAN'T DO MUCH TO HELP..I SUFFER A LOT, BUT SOME DAYS OR EVEN WEEKS CAN BE MUCH BETTER THAN OTHERS. THEY DON'T LIKE TO OPERATE BECAUSE ITS SO DANGEROUS AND SOME GET WORSE OR LOSE MORE FUNCTION THAN THEY HAVE. IN YOUR CASE NOT BEING ABLE TO USE YOUR ARMS ANYWAYTHEY MAY OPERATE IF PAIN GETS TO BAD -- IT'S PROBABLY UP TO YOU AND A NEURO SURGEON . DAN H. Silas Shelburne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey guys and gals, I had a MRI on Monday and I do have a syrinx- its small but it must be the cause of my pain. I dont have a clue what to do, maybe you all mite have some input. Thanks Silas
[QUAD-L] Syrinx
Silas, Lori is the syrinx expert but me and Dan also have them. Ive had mine for about 4 years. Basically its complicated yet simple, you either leave it alone and monitor the pain, or you find an expert to collapse the syrinx or put a shunt valve in. I talked with Craig Hospital in Englewood, Colorodothey agreed to collapse the syrinx but wouldnt take United Heathcare.price was 50,000. i had one doc in St. Louis that would do it but he was unexperienced and he would only perform shunt surgery to drain it. All my other docs said the risk was too great to perform surgery on a quad because sometimes you can lose a few levels of function during the surgery. I was also told that most neurosurgeons wont operate unless you report lose of function. Pain isnt a reason for surgery they say...but that is crazy The risk of functional loss during surgery is 10 percent. The possibility of alleviating the pain is 50/50. Ive spent many, many hors researching this. Have read everything on the net. Have a whole syrinx folder. Remember what you have is a Post Traumatic Syrinx, not just a syrinx or a chairi malformation. The spinal injury forms a dormant cyst, then as the years go by the cyst fills with spinal fluid creating the syrinx. The fluid can go in but it cant go out. Any lifting, straining, coughing, bending, breathing can possibly make it worse.crazy but the truth..I about cried when I was first told that. ron c7
Re: [QUAD-L] circulating air mattress
I have medicare which has been covering the cost of my circ. air mattress. I've been getting a reoccuring pressure sore (minor) on my tailbone area and some pinkness on my right hip when sleeping on my right side. My left side is ok. I'm off the tailbone best when on my right side and that hip doesn't seem to like it. Thought a better quality air mattress might help. Tim The QUAD LINK John S. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tim, how do you pay for your mattress and what do you need from it? The state of Ohio won't help replace a low air loss mattress of any type unless you have two stage four pressure wounds. If money is no problem, hil-rom is the top end with alternating pressure and low air loss while rotating the patient according to a timer.It can cost over 9G. If your on a fixed budget, you may want to check out e-bay.I got a decent buy for $650. Definitely check with any agencies in your state if you need help financing it. A lot are better than Ohio. Some even believe in preventative medicine. good luck, john - Original Message From: Tim Syfert [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: quad-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2007 6:12:50 PM Subject: [QUAD-L] circulating air mattress What kind of circulating air matress do you use on your bed? I've been using the low-end one with the cheap vinyl mattress that springs leaks every 3 months or so, but I feel I need something of more quality and effectivness. Tim - Park yourself in front of a world of choices in alternative vehicles. Visit the Yahoo! Auto Green Center. - Got a little couch potato? Check out fun summer activities for kids. - Sick sense of humor? Visit Yahoo! TV's Comedy with an Edge to see what's on, when.
Re: [QUAD-L] circulating air mattress
David, your Air-Pro looks similar to what I have. Do you spring leaks much in your mattress? Fortunately my supplier is out the next day with a new mattress when I discover a leak and give them a call. Your mattress pad looks nice and soft. Tim The QUAD LINK David K. Kelmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Tim, I use a Air-Pro® Series - Overlay Mattress Pad model 4810 with an Air-Pro® Elite Pump Model 4401 http://www.bluechipmedical.com/airpro.htmA Pro Pad Deluxe® MODEL 4810 I put that Pad between my mattress and a Spenco Comfort Touch Traditional Mattress Pad http://www.medicalproductsdirect.com/spencomtouct.html Good luck finding a comfortable Overlay. Stay strong. With Love, CtrlAltDel aka Dave C4/5 Complete - 31 Years Post Texas, USA Tim Syfert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What kind of circulating air matress do you use on your bed? I've been using the low-end one with the cheap vinyl mattress that springs leaks every 3 months or so, but I feel I need something of more quality and effectivness. Tim - Park yourself in front of a world of choices in alternative vehicles. Visit the Yahoo! Auto Green Center. - Choose the right car based on your needs. Check out Yahoo! Autos new Car Finder tool.
RE: [QUAD-L] Re: Welcome to the Beer Belly League
Hey Rick it says it's full so I can't join you already have 12 teams. Mark Jackson RollinOn -Original Message- From: Ricsport [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 17, 2007 12:46 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Quad List Subject: [QUAD-L] Re: Welcome to the Beer Belly League Hi keith, i sent Mark an ivite into The Beer Belly League. Rick --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey Rick, This is Keith from the Quad List and the Fantasy Football group. AKA Just-4-Kicks I was talking with Mark Jackson ([EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) ) about your private league and if he could have my spot since he was in it last year. I'm fine with him replacing me, but I wanted to run it bye you before we did the change. If it's easier for you to change us then by all means please do. Like remove me and invite Mark. If not, then send me an email and invite him and I'll remove myself. Thanks, Keith/34/C4-5Quad/NJ PS. This is your league's address you sent me...with password. _http://freemeeting.0.football.nfl.com/splash/invite/3817/172868/86162afa377 92 9a5_ (http://freemeeting.0.football.nfl.com/splash/invite/3817/172868/86162afa377 929a5) Password: 123456 ** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour Building a website is a piece of cake. Yahoo! Small Business gives you all the tools to get online. http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/webhosting No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.12.0/957 - Release Date: 8/16/2007 1:46 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.12.0/957 - Release Date: 8/16/2007 1:46 PM
RE: [QUAD-L] Syrinx
whats a syrinx Kevin M. Rudolph Louisville, Kentucky 40214 E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web site: http://www.turbokev.com http://www.turbokev.com/ Instant Messengers: AOL: kyprincecharming ICQ: 28414413 MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo: turbokev -Original Message- From: RONALD L PRACHT [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 17, 2007 4:04 PM To: quad-list@eskimo.com Subject: [QUAD-L] Syrinx Silas, Lori is the syrinx expert but me and Dan also have them. Ive had mine for about 4 years. Basically its complicated yet simple, you either leave it alone and monitor the pain, or you find an expert to collapse the syrinx or put a shunt valve in. I talked with Craig Hospital in Englewood, Colorodothey agreed to collapse the syrinx but wouldnt take United Heathcare.price was 50,000. i had one doc in St. Louis that would do it but he was unexperienced and he would only perform shunt surgery to drain it. All my other docs said the risk was too great to perform surgery on a quad because sometimes you can lose a few levels of function during the surgery. I was also told that most neurosurgeons wont operate unless you report lose of function. Pain isnt a reason for surgery they say...but that is crazy The risk of functional loss during surgery is 10 percent. The possibility of alleviating the pain is 50/50. Ive spent many, many hors researching this. Have read everything on the net. Have a whole syrinx folder. Remember what you have is a Post Traumatic Syrinx, not just a syrinx or a chairi malformation. The spinal injury forms a dormant cyst, then as the years go by the cyst fills with spinal fluid creating the syrinx. The fluid can go in but it cant go out. Any lifting, straining, coughing, bending, breathing can possibly make it worse.crazy but the truth..I about cried when I was first told that. ron c7
Re: [QUAD-L] Forgot to mention I'm back
Sorry this took so long Tim, but multiple things that kept me off the Internet for the last week and a half. I had my first colonoscopy when I was 32 years old and ironically I would have never had one if I hadn't been paralyzed when I was 30. The ironic part is they found one polyp which was pre-cancerous and the chances are I wouldn't have made it past my mid-40s if I didn't have the early colonoscopy. I guess it's one benefit to being paralyzed, but I haven't found many others. At least not yet. I have had numerous colonoscopies over the last several years and it seems like the majority of them go off without too much difficulty. Down here in Tampa the protocol or spinal cord injured patients is to start a liquid diet on Wednesday evening and to be admitted to the hospital on Friday. Friday evening starts off with Mag- citrate (spelling). In my experience this is the worst part of the whole thing. On Saturday we are required to drink 1 gallon of Golightly (spelling). Thankfully by this point they are usually able to affix a fecal matter bag to my rectum, so this isn't as bad as it sounds. However, this last time it wasn't that easy. Oh well, I digress. On Sunday they provide us with one more additional gallon of Golightly. Wednesday morning we get a few enemas and then usually go into the procedure by noon. Hopefully this gives you an idea of what it's like. However, there is no experience like actually going through it. :-) Quadius On 8/11/07, t crook [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have had left side colon pain for ten years or so. My doctor has told me it is irritable bowel syndrome and that he doesn't want to put me through the colonoscopy (because of symptoms and my age etc.). So how bad was it- hours on the commode, accidents, the procedure etc.? And what was your reason for the colonoscopy? Thanks- Tim c5-c6, 19 years post www.geocities.com/onemofortom - my story http://www.geocities.com/onemofortom/handicappstuff - handicrapper stuff for sale www.whoopiekatjewelry.com - my business http://blog.whoopiekatjewelry.com -drop by and blog a while (about anything) - Original Message From: Quadius [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: quad-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, August 9, 2007 6:23:36 PM Subject: [QUAD-L] Forgot to mention I'm back I completely forgot to mention that I made it through my colonoscopy and caregiver respite unscathed. I ended up getting out a few days early, but it has been so hectic at home I haven't had a chance to get on here until today. I trust that not too much wind on while I was sequestered from everything. :-) Quadius -- Need a vacation? Get great deals to amazing places http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=48256/*http://travel.yahoo.com/;_ylc=X3oDMTFhN2hucjlpBF9TAzk3NDA3NTg5BHBvcwM1BHNlYwNncm91cHMEc2xrA2VtYWlsLW5jbQ--on Yahoo! Travel.
Re: [QUAD-L] Thanks John and others
Ron, I once chose to become a Florida State trooper and loved the job, but I have also seen many people suffer a similar fate. It's sad when many of the people out there trying to be good public servants are betrayed by the very system they are sworn to defend. I hope one of these days you are able to find a way to get everything you would like out of life. Respectfully, Quadius On 8/11/07, RONALD L PRACHT [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I appreciate you listening to me and responding back with kind messages. Ill shut up about Voc Rehab now, lol. Had to get that off my chest. I worked for Washington Missouri Police Dept. I worked hard in The Police Academy and as a cop for the short time I was there. I will admit though I wish I would have never chose that profession. After 6 yrs in court I did get some workers compensation, but it was a long six years. The attorneys got rich off of the deal. Ill tell the long story about it sometime. ron c7
Re: [QUAD-L] 1 year Anniversary
I believe that the really gifted people are always able to make it look easy to the average folk. It is definitely that way with you Jim. I think I discovered this site in 1997 and have been coming back off and on for years. Since I decided to dedicate one of my e-mail addresses to the Quad list, and found that I only leave when I am going to be away from the computer more than a week. And believe me that doesn't happen very often any longer. Thankfully so. Thanks Jim. Quadius On 8/12/07, Jim Lubin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks Dave. I actually haven't updated those pages in years. This page http://www.makoa.org/jim is the all about me page. I spend a lot of time now with the Transverse Myelitis Association web site and fund raising. Check out the TMA Inkjet Toner Cartridge Recycling Charity Fund Raiser Program http://www.myelitis.org/recycle/ TM Awareness Wrist Bands http://www.myelitis.org/wristbands.htm TMA Store - Shop from here to help raise money http://www.myelitis.org/store.htm At 01:17 PM 8/11/2007, David K. Kelmer wrote: Jim can be paged through his Home Page, and has been known to hang with us Quad-List type, too. He has put so much useful and needed info on his many Web Pages, that he actually makes me believe it really is easy to bring it all together like that!Unlike his other well addressed Sites, his Home Page has both Graphic Music http://www.makoa.org/jlubin/home-g.htmand http://www.makoa.org/jlubin/home-g.htmText only versionhttp://www.makoa.org/jlubin/home-t.htmSites that are fantastical. Jim has made my life a better thing, for knowing him and his work. http://www.makoa.org/jlubin/home-g.htm http://www.makoa.org/jlubin/home-t.htm With Love, CtrlAltDel aka Dave C4/5 Complete - 31 Years Post Texas, USA Jim Lubin [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://makoa.org/jim disAbility Resources: http://www.makoa.org
Re: [QUAD-L] Stolen van
I have to tell you that I never saw this particular thread going in the direction of Karl Rove and gay marriage. Quadius On 8/13/07, John S. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think its another one of Carl Rove's plots. Nothing will change a liberal to a conservative faster than stealing his car. That man makes Rick Nixon look like a piker! Was home-sexual marriage a problem? No, but getting it on the ballot got Bush reelected. Conservatives that hadn't voted since Kennedy was elected came out to vote against gay marriage and while they were there,, might as well vote Bush! The man is a conservative genious. The true bain of every socialists existance. He probably has the hitler youth, er, i mean young republicans out stealing liberal vehicles all over America! john p.s. If I were you i'd look in Washington DC. p.p.s. ;- p.p.p.s. Yea, I take drugs, but i'll watch for your van in Cincinnati. - Original Message From: RollinOn [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Danny Hearn [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; quad-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, August 13, 2007 3:31:44 PM Subject: RE: [QUAD-L] Stolen van I didn't get it either Dan, this person just wanted to put the word out that if you hear anything send an e-mail and nothing about giving anything. I'm sure it's insured but now it's a long wait for him to get things back to normal if that's even possible. Mark Jackson RollinOn -- *From:* Danny Hearn [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *Sent:* Monday, August 13, 2007 1:51 PM *To:* [EMAIL PROTECTED]; quad-list@eskimo.com *Subject:* Re: [QUAD-L] Stolen van Why is it hard to believe? In St. Louis , Missouri area where I live -- a few months ago they stole a Van and a disabled childs powerchair with it. In the U.S.A. cars , vans and trucks get stolen every several minutes around the clock.Criminals do not care if it hurts you or leaves you helpless or even causes you to die. A paraplegic friend of mine had someone steal his roho seat cushion causing him to get pressure sores. Dan H. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 8/13/2007 12:16:58 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Were is an article or police report confirming this story? sorry I just don't trust ppl that much... this could be a publicity stunt to get a new van/chair sorry but life has turned me skeptical me Being suspicious is my natural nature too, lol. This happened in Mass if I read the article correctly and I'm sure that a police report was done. Often the internet is faster than the news press for getting info out. Try wheelchairjunkie.com for additional info on this incident. Remember when they used to shoot horse thieves... ? What about car thieves.. Best Wishes W -- Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL.comhttp://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour/?ncid=AOLAOF0002000982 . No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.11.17/951 - Release Date: 8/13/2007 10:15 AM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.11.17/951 - Release Date: 8/13/2007 10:15 AM -- Shape Yahoo! in your own image. Join our Network Research Panel today!http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=48517/*http://surveylink.yahoo.com/gmrs/yahoo_panel_invite.asp?a=7
[QUAD-L] VR returning to work
I kow we've discussed VR much in the recent past what they'll help us with and such. Has anyone tried Ohio Reabilitaion services commission? I 'think' that is where you get help with college or vans. Wheel knows ALL the strings but he's been silent :-). I 'believe' VR sends one there of course receives their $ kickback. Dianna ** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour
Re: [QUAD-L] Superpubic
I had a large bladder when I initially had my suprapubic procedure done. I would recommend trying to find a urologist who is familiar with quadriplegics, if that is possible. I am lucky that my urologist is very familiar with SCI. Maybe somebody on the list can provide you with a hospital where such a urologist might exist within a reasonable distance of where you live. Quadius On 8/15/07, Danny Hearn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: After thinking about your question Cullen, a supra-pubic by-passes the URETHRA I'm pretty sure so that should make no difference. It is a small hole in your lower gut that goes directly into your bladder.Dan H. *C Child [EMAIL PROTECTED]* wrote: I have had a indwelling catheter since my injury 10 years ago. I am now having problems with the wear and tear on my urethra. Has anyone on the list had a superpubic after having a indwelling cath for a long period of time? Does the fact that my bladder is the size of a walnut make any difference. My urologist does not know the answer to this question, this doesn't surprise me, since he doesn't deal with many quads. Cullen
Re: [QUAD-L] circulating air mattress
I purchased my first mattress from a medical supply company and they charged me a pretty sizable fee. That was 11 1/2 years ago. I just purchased one of the inexpensive models that you can see on eBay if you search for alternating pressure mattress. It was relatively inexpensive, but I would think that it would develop a leak eventually. I was lucky enough to find a very good buy a few months later, but just recently purchased a backup to this mattress just in case. The company told me everything was included and had been checked out, but there was one part missing. Since I didn't purchase this through eBay I am having a little more difficulty trying to resolve this problem. I'm not advocating for eBay, but there are plenty of reputable vendors out there if you look through their history sufficiently enough. Good luck and before you bid make sure you do some research on the seller and the product to determine if it is a good buy. It is unbelievable that quadriplegics have to look around for their own mattresses or have severe ulcers before the government will give them one. It's much more cost-efficient to give all quadriplegics good mattresses than it is to pay the medical bills later. Quadius On 8/16/07, John S. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tim, how do you pay for your mattress and what do you need from it? The state of Ohio won't help replace a low air loss mattress of any type unless you have two stage four pressure wounds. If money is no problem, hil-rom is the top end with alternating pressure and low air loss while rotating the patient according to a timer.It can cost over 9G. If your on a fixed budget, you may want to check out e-bay.I got a decent buy for $650. Definitely check with any agencies in your state if you need help financing it. A lot are better than Ohio. Some even believe in preventative medicine. good luck, john - Original Message From: Tim Syfert [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: quad-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2007 6:12:50 PM Subject: [QUAD-L] circulating air mattress What kind of circulating air matress do you use on your bed? I've been using the low-end one with the cheap vinyl mattress that springs leaks every 3 months or so, but I feel I need something of more quality and effectivness. Tim -- Park yourself in front of a world of choices in alternative vehicles. Visit the Yahoo! Auto Green Center.http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=48246/*http://autos.yahoo.com/green_center/;_ylc=X3oDMTE5cDF2bXZzBF9TAzk3MTA3MDc2BHNlYwNtYWlsdGFncwRzbGsDZ3JlZW4tY2VudGVy -- Got a little couch potato? Check out fun summer activities for kids.http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=48248/*http://search.yahoo.com/search?fr=oni_on_mailp=summer+activities+for+kidscs=bz
RE: [QUAD-L] Superpubic
I know that there are urologists at Craig Hospital in Denver Colorado that know all about SCI. That is where I had my suprapubic procedure done. Lester C4-5 Quad Gambrills, MD 19 years post _ From: Quadius [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 17, 2007 9:48 PM To: Danny Hearn Cc: C Child; tmic-list; quad-list Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] Superpubic I had a large bladder when I initially had my suprapubic procedure done. I would recommend trying to find a urologist who is familiar with quadriplegics, if that is possible. I am lucky that my urologist is very familiar with SCI. Maybe somebody on the list can provide you with a hospital where such a urologist might exist within a reasonable distance of where you live. Quadius On 8/15/07, Danny Hearn HYPERLINK mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: After thinking about your question Cullen, a supra-pubic by-passes the URETHRA I'm pretty sure so that should make no difference. It is a small hole in your lower gut that goes directly into your bladder. Dan H. C Child HYPERLINK mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have had a indwelling catheter since my injury 10 years ago. I am now having problems with the wear and tear on my urethra. Has anyone on the list had a superpubic after having a indwelling cath for a long period of time? Does the fact that my bladder is the size of a walnut make any difference. My urologist does not know the answer to this question, this doesn't surprise me, since he doesn't deal with many quads. Cullen No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.12.0/959 - Release Date: 8/17/2007 5:43 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.12.0/959 - Release Date: 8/17/2007 5:43 PM
