[QUAD-L] the bag vs. the valve
Does anyone use a valve at the end of their indwelling/supra catheter as opposed to a catheter bag? Sims Portex Valve Luke More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail ! - http://o.aolcdn.com/cdn.webmail.aol.com/mailtour/aol/en-us/text.htm?ncid=aolcmp000503
[QUAD-L] Is anyone posting on the quadlist anymore?
Is anyone out there? I have been trying to subscribe to the quad list as I am receiving no postings anymore. Maybe everyone left. Did everyone go to another site? Glenn A Henry **Check out AOL's list of 2007's hottest products. (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop000301)
RE: [QUAD-L] Is anyone posting on the quadlist anymore?
been slow Eric W Rudd [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2007 10:24 AM To: quad-list@eskimo.com Subject: [QUAD-L] Is anyone posting on the quadlist anymore? Is anyone out there? I have been trying to subscribe to the quad list as I am receiving no postings anymore. Maybe everyone left. Did everyone go to another site? Glenn A Henry _ Check out AOL Money Finance's list of the hottest products http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop000301 and top money wasters http://money.aol.com/top5/general/ways-you-are-wasting-money?NCID=aoltop000 302 of 2007.
Re: [QUAD-L] Is anyone posting on the quadlist anymore?
We are still here, but got the winter time blues ;-(plus my awful , season long injury prone Rams Football team can't even make the playoffs this year, Oh well maybe they can upset a few times in the 4 remaining games LOL Dan H. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is anyone out there? I have been trying to subscribe to the quad list as I am receiving no postings anymore. Maybe everyone left. Did everyone go to another site? Glenn A Henry - Check out AOL Money Finance's list of the hottest products and top money wasters of 2007.
RE: [QUAD-L] Is anyone posting on the quadlist anymore?
Are you getting the posting? You are subscribed as far as I can tell. Not received any of the postings? Even the one saying that you are here? From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2007 11:24 AM To: quad-list@eskimo.com Subject: [QUAD-L] Is anyone posting on the quadlist anymore? Is anyone out there? I have been trying to subscribe to the quad list as I am receiving no postings anymore. Maybe everyone left. Did everyone go to another site? Glenn A Henry _ Check out AOL Money Finance's list of the hottest products http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop000301 and top money wasters http://money.aol.com/top5/general/ways-you-are-wasting-money?NCID=aoltop000 302 of 2007.
Re: [QUAD-L] the bag vs. the valve
I've never tried a valve , would it go at the end of tube then need drained every so often? I have always used the large size bed-bag and drain it every morning and each night at bedtime. I hang the bag on the side of my chair, with the urine showing side turned in towards me and I keep a black leather pouch type carrier hanging over it that helps cover it pretty much-- in that I store my I.D. cards money and so on, Also that leather carrier helps to hold the bag on and in place while driving around and reclining . A friend showed me A cover some people use to store the urine bag in, if a person is bothered by it---some even have cloth matching covers for the urine tube going to the catheter bag. Dan H. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Does anyone use a valve at the end of their indwelling/supra catheter as opposed to a catheter bag? Sims Portex Valve Luke - More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail!
Re: [QUAD-L] Voice-recognition experts
Sorry everybody, I didn't notice I did the website wrong until after I sent it. Below you will find the correct website address. Hey everybody- Whether you are disabled or able-bodied, this applies to everyone. These guys are great! I've been working with them for several years with Dragon Dictate, Dragon NaturallySpeaking version 9, and my environmental control unit. Jon and Tim know what they're doing, and are VERY helpful. I'm so happy that they decided to open a business of their own specializing in voice recognition. They have always helped me out, and still do, whenever I have an issue. They helped me with my last one. They are very polite, respectful, knowledgeable, patient, helpful, and are determined to work with you and whatever voice recognition needs or issues you have. Including purchasing, installing, training, and customer service. From my own experience with them, if there's something going on and you have no idea why, they'll do everything they can to figure it out and fix it. They understand how people like us need voice-recognition, and needed to be working especially. I've worked with different guys who specialize in voice recognition, and none of them were as good or as genuine as Jon and Tim are. They really want your voice recognition things to work properly. Next time you need to take your voice recognition business somewhere, I highly, highly, highly recommend taking it to them. Whether you are disabled or not, you won't regret it! Here's their website address: http://www.thespeechgurus.com Check them out and spread the word!- Angie Novak Ventilator dependent and quadriplegic from a spinal cord injury. - Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage.
RE: [QUAD-L] Voice-recognition experts
I use version 8 and had the same problem. DD company made me pay 100.00 to talk to an outsource person I had difficulty understanding. Turns out I had to reinstall and retrain _ From: Angie Novak [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2007 1:57 PM To: Quad-list@eskimo.com Subject: [QUAD-L] Voice-recognition experts Hey everybody- This applies to all of us. These guys are great! I've been working with them for several years with Dragon Dictate, Dragon NaturallySpeaking version 9, and my environmental control unit. Jon and Tim know what they're doing, and are VERY helpful. I'm so happy that they decided to open a business of their own specializing in voice recognition. They have always helped me out, and still do, whenever I have an issue. They helped me with my last one. They are very polite, respectful, knowledgeable, patient, helpful, and are determined to work with you and whatever voice recognition needs or issues you have. Including purchasing, installing, training, and customer service. From my own experience with them, if there's something going on and you have no idea why, they'll do everything they can to figure it out and fix it. They understand how people like us need voice-recognition, and needed to be working especially. I've worked with different guys who specialize in voice recognition, and none of them were as good or as genuine as Jon and Tim are. They really want your voice recognition things to work properly. Next time you need to take your voice recognition business somewhere, I highly, highly, highly recommend taking it to them. Whether you are disabled or not, you won't regret it! Here's their website address: Http://thespeechgurus.com Check them out and spread the word!- Angie Novak Ventilator dependent and quadriplegic from a spinal cord injury. _ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=51734/*http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/c ategory.php?category=shopping them fast with Yahoo! Search.
Re: [QUAD-L] Voice-recognition experts
Then you won't feel bad when you get your pirated version of 9.0 from e-bay for $12.50 including postage and handling. :D john - Original Message From: Elizabeth Treston [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Angie Novak [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Quad-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, December 6, 2007 3:07:05 PM Subject: RE: [QUAD-L] Voice-recognition experts I use version 8 and had the same problem. DD company made me pay 100.00 to talk to an outsource person I had difficulty understanding. Turns out I had to reinstall and retrain From: Angie Novak [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2007 1:57 PM To: Quad-list@eskimo.com Subject: [QUAD-L] Voice-recognition experts Hey everybody- This applies to all of us. These guys are great! I've been working with them for several years with Dragon Dictate, Dragon NaturallySpeaking version 9, and my environmental control unit. Jon and Tim know what they're doing, and are VERY helpful. I'm so happy that they decided to open a business of their own specializing in voice recognition. They have always helped me out, and still do, whenever I have an issue. They helped me with my last one. They are very polite, respectful, knowledgeable, patient, helpful, and are determined to work with you and whatever voice recognition needs or issues you have. Including purchasing, installing, training, and customer service. From my own experience with them, if there's something going on and you have no idea why, they'll do everything they can to figure it out and fix it. They understand how people like us need voice-recognition, and needed to be working especially. I've worked with different guys who specialize in voice recognition, and none of them were as good or as genuine as Jon and Tim are. They really want your voice recognition things to work properly. Next time you need to take your voice recognition business somewhere, I highly, highly, highly recommend taking it to them. Whether you are disabled or not, you won't regret it! Here's their website address: Http://thespeechgurus.com Check them out and spread the word!- Angie Novak Ventilator dependent and quadriplegic from a spinal cord injury. Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping
Re: [QUAD-L] Voice-recognition experts
That would have been nice for me. I ended up spending $200 to upgrade from 7 to version 9. They are now making people buy every upgrade even if they only upgrade every other time. Q` On 12/6/07, John S. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Then you won't feel bad when you get your pirated version of 9.0 from e-bay for $12.50 including postage and handling. :D john - Original Message From: Elizabeth Treston [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Angie Novak [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Quad-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, December 6, 2007 3:07:05 PM Subject: RE: [QUAD-L] Voice-recognition experts I use version 8 and had the same problem. DD company made me pay 100.00to talk to an outsource person I had difficulty understanding. Turns out I had to reinstall and retrain -- *From:* Angie Novak [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *Sent:* Thursday, December 06, 2007 1:57 PM *To:* Quad-list@eskimo.com *Subject:* [QUAD-L] Voice-recognition experts Hey everybody- This applies to all of us. These guys are great! I've been working with them for several years with Dragon Dictate, Dragon NaturallySpeaking version 9, and my environmental control unit. Jon and Tim know what they're doing, and are VERY helpful. I'm so happy that they decided to open a business of their own specializing in voice recognition. They have always helped me out, and still do, whenever I have an issue. They helped me with my last one. They are very polite, respectful, knowledgeable, patient, helpful, and are determined to work with you and whatever voice recognition needs or issues you have. Including purchasing, installing, training, and customer service. From my own experience with them, if there's something going on and you have no idea why, they'll do everything they can to figure it out and fix it. They understand how people like us need voice-recognition, and needed to be working especially. I've worked with different guys who specialize in voice recognition, and none of them were as good or as genuine as Jon and Tim are. They really want your voice recognition things to work properly. Next time you need to take your voice recognition business somewhere, I highly, highly, highly recommend taking it to them. Whether you are disabled or not, you won't regret it! Here's their website address: Http://thespeechgurus.comhttp://thespeechgurus.com/ Check them out and spread the word!- Angie Novak Ventilator dependent and quadriplegic from a spinal cord injury. -- Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search.http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=51734/*http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping -- Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search.http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=51734/*http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping
Re: [QUAD-L] the bag vs. the valve
I have included a link which shows my urine bag and the cover. I had this made by someone that knows how to use a sewing machine. If you're interested, just take a look. Quadius http://www.billy-paul.blinkz.com/albums/photo/703449/thumbnails.htm On 12/6/07, Danny Hearn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've never tried a valve , would it go at the end of tube then need drained every so often? I have always used the large size bed-bag and drain it every morning and each night at bedtime. I hang the bag on the side of my chair, with the urine showing side turned in towards me and I keep a black leather pouch type carrier hanging over it that helps cover it pretty much-- in that I store my I.D. cards money and so on, Also that leather carrier helps to hold the bag on and in place while driving around and reclining . A friend showed me A cover some people use to store the urine bag in, if a person is bothered by it---some even have cloth matching covers for the urine tube going to the catheter bag. Dan H. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does anyone use a valve at the end of their indwelling/supra catheter as opposed to a catheter bag? Sims Portex Valve Luke -- More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mailhttp://o.aolcdn.com/cdn.webmail.aol.com/mailtour/aol/en-us/text.htm?ncid=aolcmp000503 !
Re: [QUAD-L] the bag vs. the valve
I am extremely active so I'm trying to reduce my drag to a minimum.? I've worn a legbag for about 3yrs now and I find that it shifts anytime I move in my chair,?transfer, and/or try to get close to?a woman on a couch.? It just seems to me that if?one's bladder can hold an average amount urine and they have the hand function to drain it that it would be best for their renal function to just use a valve instead of a bag.? I'm going to talk with my urologist about it.? Once the bladder shrinks is it possible to stretch it back out? Luke -Original Message- From: Quadius [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: quad-list@eskimo.com Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thu, 6 Dec 2007 4:18 pm Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] the bag vs. the valve I have included a link which shows my urine bag and the cover.? I had this made by someone that knows how to use a sewing machine.? If you're interested, just take a look. Quadius http://www.billy-paul.blinkz.com/albums/photo/703449/thumbnails.htm On 12/6/07, Danny Hearn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've never tried a valve , would it go at the end of tube then need drained every so often?? I have always used the large size bed-bag and drain it every morning and each night at bedtime. I hang the bag on the? side of my chair, with the urine showing side turned in towards me and I keep a black leather pouch type carrier hanging over it that helps cover it pretty much-- in that I store my I.D. cards money and so on, Also that leather carrier helps to hold the bag on and in place while driving around and reclining . A friend showed me A? cover some people use to store the urine bag in, if a person is bothered by it---some even have cloth matching covers for the urine tube? going to the catheter bag.?? Dan H. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does anyone use a valve at the end of their indwelling/supra catheter as opposed to a catheter bag? Sims Portex Valve Luke More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail! ? More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail ! - http://o.aolcdn.com/cdn.webmail.aol.com/mailtour/aol/en-us/text.htm?ncid=aolcmp000503
Re: [QUAD-L] the bag vs. the valve
It makes sense to me, but I have been told it's not that easy to get the bladder to expand back out. However, that was one opinion from one urologist. Good luck Quadius On 12/6/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am extremely active so I'm trying to reduce my drag to a minimum. I've worn a legbag for about 3yrs now and I find that it shifts anytime I move in my chair, transfer, and/or try to get close to a woman on a couch. It just seems to me that if one's bladder can hold an average amount urine and they have the hand function to drain it that it would be best for their renal function to just use a valve instead of a bag. I'm going to talk with my urologist about it. Once the bladder shrinks is it possible to stretch it back out? Luke -Original Message- From: Quadius [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: quad-list@eskimo.com Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thu, 6 Dec 2007 4:18 pm Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] the bag vs. the valve I have included a link which shows my urine bag and the cover. I had this made by someone that knows how to use a sewing machine. If you're interested, just take a look. Quadius http://www.billy-paul.blinkz.com/albums/photo/703449/thumbnails.htm On 12/6/07, Danny Hearn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've never tried a valve , would it go at the end of tube then need drained every so often? I have always used the large size bed-bag and drain it every morning and each night at bedtime. I hang the bag on the side of my chair, with the urine showing side turned in towards me and I keep a black leather pouch type carrier hanging over it that helps cover it pretty much-- in that I store my I.D. cards money and so on, Also that leather carrier helps to hold the bag on and in place while driving around and reclining . A friend showed me A cover some people use to store the urine bag in, if a person is bothered by it---some even have cloth matching covers for the urine tube going to the catheter bag. Dan H. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does anyone use a valve at the end of their indwelling/supra catheter as opposed to a catheter bag? Sims Portex Valve Luke -- More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mailhttp://o.aolcdn.com/cdn.webmail.aol.com/mailtour/aol/en-us/text.htm?ncid=aolcmp000503 ! -- More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mailhttp://o.aolcdn.com/cdn.webmail.aol.com/mailtour/aol/en-us/text.htm?ncid=aolcmp000503 !
Re: [QUAD-L] Is anyone posting on the quadlist anymore?
In a message dated 12/6/2007 10:45:02 A.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Are you getting the posting? You are subscribed as far as I can tell. Not received any of the postings? Even the one saying that you are here? From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2007 11:24 AM To: quad-list@eskimo.com Subject: [QUAD-L] Is anyone posting on the quadlist anymore? Is anyone out there? I have been trying to subscribe to the quad list as I am receiving no postings anymore. Maybe everyone left. Did everyone go to another site? Glenn A Henry **Check out AOL's list of 2007's hottest products. (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop000301)
Re: [QUAD-L] Is anyone posting on the quadlist anymore?
In a message dated 12/6/2007 10:33:15 A.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: been slow Eric W Rudd [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2007 10:24 AM To: quad-list@eskimo.com Subject: [QUAD-L] Is anyone posting on the quadlist anymore? Is anyone out there? I have been trying to subscribe to the quad list as I am receiving no postings anymore. Maybe everyone left. Did everyone go to another site? Glenn A Henry **Check out AOL's list of 2007's hottest products. (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop000301)
Re: [QUAD-L] Is anyone posting on the quadlist anymore?
Glenn I received your posting thru the Quad List, so I know its working W In a message dated 12/6/2007 10:24:44 A.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Is anyone out there? I have been trying to subscribe to the quad list as I am receiving no postings anymore. Maybe everyone left. Did everyone go to another site? Glenn A Henry **Check out AOL's list of 2007's hottest products. (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop000301)
Re: [QUAD-L] Is anyone posting on the quadlist anymore?
In a message dated 12/6/2007 10:37:11 A.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: We are still here, but got the winter time blues ;-(plus my awful , season long injury prone Rams Football team can't even make the playoffs this year, Oh well maybe they can upset a few times in the 4 remaining games LOL Dan H. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is anyone out there? I have been trying to subscribe to the quad list as I am receiving no postings anymore. Maybe everyone left. Did everyone go to another site? Glenn A Henry **Check out AOL's list of 2007's hottest products. (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop000301)
Re: [QUAD-L] Fried Turkeys
Believe me, it hasn't been easy. Up until around four years ago I was one of those individuals who loved things so hot that my nose would run when I ate it. However, a flareup of rosacea ended that, but I still liked to enjoy a little bit of hot red pepper on my pizza and other things every now and then. Now that I have developed an allergy, to something I used to use all the time, it is extraordinarily difficult. I mean most chicken rubs have crushed red pepper in them. I have grown increasingly intolerant over the last year. I ate too spicy chicken sandwiches from McDonald's and had an enormous allergic reaction. My doctor has me carrying around an epi pen and Benadryl. Life is getting more complicated. Quadius PS I used that saying, life is like a toilet roll, a couple of weeks ago and people thought it was hilarious. I at first gotten it from a blog, but I guess he didn't coin the phrase. :-) On 12/5/07, KK [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Allergic to peppers? That would make my life not worth living. Don't know if it is old age, 59, or my MS but my taste buds are gone KK Remember: life is like a roll of toilet paper. The closer it gets to the end, the faster it goes...
RE: [QUAD-L] the bag vs. the valve
They have caps that can close off the cath. I do it when I need to get a urine sample. Plus the doc said it's good to let your bladder fill up now and then to keep it stretched out. It's just a cone shaped plug. Greg _ I am extremely active so I'm trying to reduce my drag to a minimum. I've worn a legbag for about 3yrs now and I find that it shifts anytime I move in my chair, transfer, and/or try to get close to a woman on a couch. It just seems to me that if one's bladder can hold an average amount urine and they have the hand function to drain it that it would be best for their renal function to just use a valve instead of a bag. I'm going to talk with my urologist about it. Once the bladder shrinks is it possible to stretch it back out? Luke -Original Message- From: Quadius [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: quad-list@eskimo.com Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thu, 6 Dec 2007 4:18 pm Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] the bag vs. the valve I have included a link which shows my urine bag and the cover. I had this made by someone that knows how to use a sewing machine. If you're interested, just take a look. Quadius http://www.billy-paul.blinkz.com/albums/photo/703449/thumbnails.htm On 12/6/07, Danny Hearn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've never tried a valve , would it go at the end of tube then need drained every so often? I have always used the large size bed-bag and drain it every morning and each night at bedtime. I hang the bag on the side of my chair, with the urine showing side turned in towards me and I keep a black leather pouch type carrier hanging over it that helps cover it pretty much-- in that I store my I.D. cards money and so on, Also that leather carrier helps to hold the bag on and in place while driving around and reclining . A friend showed me A cover some people use to store the urine bag in, if a person is bothered by it---some even have cloth matching covers for the urine tube going to the catheter bag. Dan H. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does anyone use a valve at the end of their indwelling/supra catheter as opposed to a catheter bag? Sims Portex Valve Luke _ More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail http://o.aolcdn.com/cdn.webmail.aol.com/mailtour/aol/en-us/text.htm?ncid=ao lcmp000503 ! _ size=2 width=100% align=center More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail http://o.aolcdn.com/cdn.webmail.aol.com/mailtour/aol/en-us/text.htm?ncid=ao lcmp000503 !
Re: [QUAD-L] prune juice for bowel care
Hey Derrick, If I have problems I just eat 4 prunes the night before along with 4 Senna tabs 1 pkg of Kristalose. My bp is Mon, Wed Fri. Lindaf
Re: [QUAD-L] the bag vs. the valve
hey Q, I have a bag that looks similar for mine as well (although mine is beaded, fringy, and purple silk for what I wear skirts). However, I would love to have one made like that, for use with pants or slacks. Do you put the tube over your waistbands and if so how do you hide it? That's my biggest issue, even when I wear skirts, is that when I've put it in a bag, I can't hide the tube. Lucinda C-4,5 complete July 31, '05 Mpls., MN - Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage.
[QUAD-L] supra pictures
Does anyone know where I can view some actual pictures of what the supra tube site should look like post surgery? Luke More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail ! - http://o.aolcdn.com/cdn.webmail.aol.com/mailtour/aol/en-us/text.htm?ncid=aolcmp000503
[QUAD-L] bowell program components
Well.. I do my bowell routine every other morning. I use majic bullets , sometimes 2 if its goin slow. The night b4 a routine I start by taking a lil bisacodyl pill, a couple majic cleanse capsules. Then I try to drink a beer, eat a yougurt and eat a small bowell of raisan bran sometimes with prunes. I drink alot of water and fluids during the day and eat plain cherios most mornings. I do a couple hours of excercise at least 3 times a week maybe more if weather allows. I think many folks have trouble because they dont do enough digital stimulationif your not going in 20 mins you may need stimulation to break it loose. Also sit on the bowell chair long enough. Another thing you have to consider is you dont want your stool to loose..or too hard. Thats a struggle every quad goes through. I always thought that with all the smart people out there we could come up with a better method of evacuating bowells for paralyzed individuals. I thought one time hell it would be nice to have some kind of a valve or sureproof way to avoid accidents. Maybe an electronic implant to at least tell you how full you are or even better some sort of stimulation electrodes to get things going. Ive heard of some sort of flushing system you can do.I think Dave does something like that. Too me Im tired of hearing about b.s. about stem cell and all that..I want to hear about better methods to live with the injury. Every person in a chair needs to get out intheir city or town and become seen. This will force society to see us as real people with lives. In turn more cures, drugs and methods will happen. ron c7
