Re: [QUAD-L] Bill targets handicapped parking violators

[Tod E. Santee]

Ron -- Maybe a quick conference with an attorney will tell you if the police 
must file a report and/or citation.  If so, filing a suit alleging the police 
officer did not fulfill his duties might be the only way to get their attention 
and force them to enforce.

Maybe there *is* a certain amount of discretion allowed by the responding 
officer ... like the Harly was mostly in a parking spot but protuding into the 
stripes they can "forgive."  On the other hand, in some places just parking 
with your tires -ON- the line between spaces will get you a citation.

I know in any accident you should always demand that citation is issued... that 
way there's a formal record.  Same should be done with parking violations... 
the Harley rider and Officer can then explain to a judge why a fine should be 
waived!!

It's an unfortunate reality -- Using The Law is the only *real* recourse we 
have... without getting cited ourselves.

Best to All,
--Tod

 RONALD L PRACHT  wrote: 
> 
> Hey guys,
>  
> I thought I would tell you an interesting parking story that happenned to me 
> thursday evening. I arrived at hooters and a harley motorcycle was parked in 
> the lined off section between the only two handicapped spots they have. I 
> pulled in one of the handicapped spots unfolded my lift until it was 6 inches 
> from the motorcycle. I called the police on my cell and explained the prob. 
> Ten minutes later the officer arrived and I explained this happens all the 
> time and how people have no respect for the spots andfrankly dont care if 
> they block all the spots. The officer had me move the van up then he moved it 
> back into the spot then proceded to go in hooters, find the guy and bring him 
> outside. I later found out that the guy didnt receive any ticket and was 
> laughing about the situation saying he does this all the time and will do it 
> again. Soin short the problem we have is the cops dont enforce the lined 
> off sections so dirtbags will continue to park
>  there. The next time this happens I wont call the police I will ry to get a 
> friend to kick over the 20,000 dollar bike, then maybe he will learn.
>  
> Ron c7   
> 
> 
>  
> Anyway, someone has probably already said this but the office of motor 
> vehicles gives the placards (or licence plates with wheelchair insignias on 
> them) out like candy.  If you have white hair -- eligible!
> 
> The problem with "bills being passed" -- is whether they are actually 
> enforced or not.  Unfortunately usually not.  
>  
> Us in Phoenix or Tucson live in a "retirement attraction city" and they are 
> also giving driver's licenses out to people who can barely think yet not 
> recognize that their reflexes are not as sharp as they used to be and 
> therefore cause many accidents.  The winters here are great except the 
> population doubles between October and May or somewhere around there!  
> Therefore the traffic doubles and the stores are crowded with some folks who 
> seem not to even know where they are let alone get back to their car and be 
> on the road!  Scary!
>  
> I remember when I worked for an Independent Living Center in New York state 
> and my supervisor would come storming in some morning saying "There ought to 
> be a law that revokes giving out drivers licenses past the age of xx!!!" I 
> can't remember now the exact age he said but I more than agree!  At a certain 
> age, reflexes have slowed down significantly enough that they people should 
> not be on the road and are a danger or hazard to others as well as to 
> themselves.
>  
> Lori
> 
> On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 6:26 PM, Quadius  wrote:
> 
> This reminds me of the Seinfeld episode about George parking in the disabled 
> spot.  I'm lucky that I have someone with me so I don't have to take it 
> disabled spots most of the time.  I really feel for those individuals who 
> drive or actually need a disabled spots with the ramp access.
> 
> There are those occasions where I do need to park in an accessible spot so 
> that my ramp can deploy properly, so I know what it feels like to be driving 
> around looking for a parking place while nondisabled people are ensconced in 
> them.
> Quadius
> 
> 
> On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 5:07 PM, bob quinn  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Love the idea!  I can't count the number of times I've been unable to get 
> into my van because someone parked in the yellow-striped access area.  Even 
> non-handicapped people (on a motorcycle) think its parkable and policemen 
> will not ticket someone with a placard parked there (I've asked them to, as 
> they helped push my van out so I could put my ramp down).  
> 
> One woman who left me waiting in the rain until she returned was adamant 
> about her right to park there (with her handicap placard), saying a policeman 
> had told her it was ok to park there if/when there are no other handicap 
> spots available.  Another (able-bodied) guy said without apology, "don't get 
> me started, my

Re: [QUAD-L] Bill targets handicapped parking violators

[Eric W Rudd]

no, guarantee i'd b on the horn, they'd thought it was a biker rally...normal 
body people suk, (if they want 2 b included)

Eric W Rudd
c5sc...@gmail.com



  - Original Message - 
  From: wheelch...@aol.com 
  To: quad-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 9:35 PM
  Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] Bill targets handicapped parking violators


  Hey Ron, are you sure that it wasn't another cop as in the Blue Code?
  His Chief might have handled it differently, but I can only guess

  Best Wishes

  In a message dated 1/24/2009 9:16:19 P.M. Central Standard Time, 
r.pra...@sbcglobal.net writes:

  Hey guys,

  I thought I would tell you an interesting parking story that 
happenned to me thursday evening. I arrived at hooters and a harley motorcycle 
was parked in the lined off section between the only two handicapped spots they 
have. I pulled in one of the handicapped spots unfolded my lift until it was 6 
inches from the motorcycle. I called the police on my cell and explained the 
prob. Ten minutes later the officer arrived and I explained this happens all 
the time and how people have no respect for the spots andfrankly dont care if 
they block all the spots. The officer had me move the van up then he moved it 
back into the spot then proceded to go in hooters, find the guy and bring him 
outside. I later found out that the guy didnt receive any ticket and was 
laughing about the situation saying he does this all the time and will do it 
again. Soin short the problem we have is the cops dont enforce the lined 
off sections so dirtbags will continue to park there. The next time this 
happens I wont call the police I will ry to get a friend to kick over the 
20,000 dollar bike, then maybe he will learn.

  Ron c7   

Anyway, someone has probably already said this but the office of 
motor vehicles gives the placards (or licence plates with wheelchair insignias 
on them) out like candy.  If you have white hair -- eligible!

The problem with "bills being passed" -- is whether they are 
actually enforced or not.  Unfortunately usually not.  

Us in Phoenix or Tucson live in a "retirement attraction city" and 
they are also giving driver's licenses out to people who can barely think yet 
not recognize that their reflexes are not as sharp as they used to be and 
therefore cause many accidents.  The winters here are great except the 
population doubles between October and May or somewhere around there!  
Therefore the traffic doubles and the stores are crowded with some folks who 
seem not to even know where they are let alone get back to their car and be on 
the road!  Scary!

I remember when I worked for an Independent Living Center in New 
York state and my supervisor would come storming in some morning saying "There 
ought to be a law that revokes giving out drivers licenses past the age of 
xx!!!" I can't remember now the exact age he said but I more than agree!  At a 
certain age, reflexes have slowed down significantly enough that they people 
should not be on the road and are a danger or hazard to others as well as to 
themselves.

Lori

On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 6:26 PM, Quadius  wrote:

  This reminds me of the Seinfeld episode about George parking in 
the disabled spot.  I'm lucky that I have someone with me so I don't have to 
take it disabled spots most of the time.  I really feel for those individuals 
who drive or actually need a disabled spots with the ramp access.

  There are those occasions where I do need to park in an 
accessible spot so that my ramp can deploy properly, so I know what it feels 
like to be driving around looking for a parking place while nondisabled people 
are ensconced in them.
  Quadius


  On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 5:07 PM, bob quinn  
wrote:

Love the idea!  I can't count the number of times I've been 
unable to get into my van because someone parked in the yellow-striped access 
area.  Even non-handicapped people (on a motorcycle) think its parkable and 
policemen will not ticket someone with a placard parked there (I've asked them 
to, as they helped push my van out so I could put my ramp down).  

One woman who left me waiting in the rain until she returned 
was adamant about her right to park there (with her handicap placard), saying a 
policeman had told her it was ok to park there if/when there are no other 
handicap spots available.  Another (able-bodied) guy said without apology, 
"don't get me started, my wife has Lou Gherig's disease," like that gave him 
the right to park anywhere in a handicapped zone (she was nowhere in site).  
Another guy with a placard and no discernible handicaps ('cept for being 
+300lbs) actually said, "you handicapped people think you're so special."  I 
could go on.  I was never anything but respectful in all enc

Re: [QUAD-L] Bill targets handicapped parking violators

[RONALD L PRACHT]

i guess at least i did something about the ignorant self centered fool.If 
everybody with vans called the cops something would eventually change.
 
ron c7

--- On Sat, 1/24/09, wheelch...@aol.com  wrote:

From: wheelch...@aol.com 
Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] Bill targets handicapped parking violators
To: quad-list@eskimo.com
Date: Saturday, January 24, 2009, 9:35 PM



Hey Ron, are you sure that it wasn't another cop as in the Blue Code?
His Chief might have handled it differently, but I can only guess
 
Best Wishes
 

In a message dated 1/24/2009 9:16:19 P.M. Central Standard Time, 
r.pra...@sbcglobal.net writes:






Hey guys,
 
I thought I would tell you an interesting parking story that happenned to me 
thursday evening. I arrived at hooters and a harley motorcycle was parked in 
the lined off section between the only two handicapped spots they have. I 
pulled in one of the handicapped spots unfolded my lift until it was 6 inches 
from the motorcycle. I called the police on my cell and explained the prob. Ten 
minutes later the officer arrived and I explained this happens all the time 
and how people have no respect for the spots andfrankly dont care if they block 
all the spots. The officer had me move the van up then he moved it back into 
the spot then proceded to go in hooters, find the guy and bring him outside. I 
later found out that the guy didnt receive any ticket and was laughing about 
the situation saying he does this all the time and will do it again. Soin 
short the problem we have is the cops dont enforce the lined off sections so 
dirtbags will continue to park
 there. The next time this happens I wont call the police I will ry to get a 
friend to kick over the 20,000 dollar bike, then maybe he will learn.
 
Ron c7   


 
Anyway, someone has probably already said this but the office of motor vehicles 
gives the placards (or licence plates with wheelchair insignias on them) out 
like candy.  If you have white hair -- eligible!

The problem with "bills being passed" -- is whether they are actually enforced 
or not.  Unfortunately usually not.  
 
Us in Phoenix or Tucson live in a "retirement attraction city" and they are 
also giving driver's licenses out to people who can barely think yet not 
recognize that their reflexes are not as sharp as they used to be and therefore 
cause many accidents.  The winters here are great except the population doubles 
between October and May or somewhere around there!  Therefore the traffic 
doubles and the stores are crowded with some folks who seem not to even know 
where they are let alone get back to their car and be on the road!  Scary!
 
I remember when I worked for an Independent Living Center in New York state and 
my supervisor would come storming in some morning saying "There ought to be a 
law that revokes giving out drivers licenses past the age of xx!!!" I can't 
remember now the exact age he said but I more than agree!  At a certain age, 
reflexes have slowed down significantly enough that they people should not be 
on the road and are a danger or hazard to others as well as to themselves.
 
Lori

On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 6:26 PM, Quadius  wrote:

This reminds me of the Seinfeld episode about George parking in the disabled 
spot.  I'm lucky that I have someone with me so I don't have to take it 
disabled spots most of the time.  I really feel for those individuals who drive 
or actually need a disabled spots with the ramp access.

There are those occasions where I do need to park in an accessible spot so that 
my ramp can deploy properly, so I know what it feels like to be driving around 
looking for a parking place while nondisabled people are ensconced in them.
Quadius


On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 5:07 PM, bob quinn  wrote:




Love the idea!  I can't count the number of times I've been unable to get into 
my van because someone parked in the yellow-striped access area.  Even 
non-handicapped people (on a motorcycle) think its parkable and policemen will 
not ticket someone with a placard parked there (I've asked them to, as they 
helped push my van out so I could put my ramp down).  

One woman who left me waiting in the rain until she returned was adamant about 
her right to park there (with her handicap placard), saying a policeman had 
told her it was ok to park there if/when there are no other handicap spots 
available.  Another (able-bodied) guy said without apology, "don't get me 
started, my wife has Lou Gherig's disease," like that gave him the right to 
park anywhere in a handicapped zone (she was nowhere in site).  Another guy 
with a placard and no discernible handicaps ('cept for being +300lbs) actually 
said, "you handicapped people think you're so special."  I could go on.  I was 
never anything but respectful in all encounters, but what I usually got in 
return was far, far from it.  I guess that reflects the type of people that 
would park in a space that clearly isn't one.







From: "wh

Re: [QUAD-L] Bill targets handicapped parking violators

[wheelchair]

Hey Ron, are you sure that it wasn't another cop as in the Blue Code?
His Chief might have handled it differently, but I can only  guess
 
Best Wishes
 
 
In a message dated 1/24/2009 9:16:19 P.M. Central Standard Time,  
r.pra...@sbcglobal.net writes:


Hey guys,
 
I thought I would tell you an interesting parking story that  happenned to me 
thursday evening. I arrived at hooters and a harley  motorcycle was parked in 
the lined off section between the only two  handicapped spots they have. I 
pulled in one of the handicapped  spots unfolded my lift until it was 6 inches 
from the  motorcycle. I called the police on my cell and explained the prob. 
Ten  minutes later the officer arrived and I explained this happens all the  
time and how people have no respect for the spots andfrankly dont  care if they 
block all the spots. The officer had me move the van up  then he moved it back 
into the spot then proceded to go in hooters, find  the guy and bring him 
outside. I later found out that the guy didnt  receive any ticket and was 
laughing 
about the situation saying he does  this all the time and will do it again. 
Soin short the problem we  have is the cops dont enforce the lined off 
sections so dirtbags will  continue to park there. The next time this happens I 
wont call the  police I will ry to get a friend to kick over the 20,000 dollar 
bike,  then maybe he will learn.
 
Ron  c7   

 

Anyway, someone has probably already said this but the  office of motor 
vehicles gives the placards (or licence plates with  wheelchair insignias on 
them) 
out like candy.  If you have  white hair -- eligible!

The problem with "bills being passed" -- is whether they are  actually 
enforced or not.  Unfortunately usually not.  
 
Us in Phoenix or Tucson live in a "retirement attraction city"  and they are 
also giving driver's licenses out to  people who can barely think yet not 
recognize that their reflexes are  not as sharp as they used to be and 
therefore 
cause many  accidents.  The winters here are great except the population  
doubles between October and May or somewhere around there!   Therefore the 
traffic 
doubles and the stores are crowded with some  folks who seem not to even know 
where they are let alone get back to  their car and be on the road!  Scary!
 
I remember when I worked for an Independent Living Center in New  York state 
and my supervisor would come storming in some morning  saying "There ought to 
be a law that revokes giving out drivers  licenses past the age of xx!!!" I 
can't remember now the exact  age he said but I more than agree!  At a certain 
age,  reflexes have slowed down significantly enough that they people  should 
not be on the road and are a danger or hazard to others as well  as to 
themselves.
 
Lori

On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 6:26 PM, Quadius <_quad...@gmail.com_ 
(mailto:quad...@gmail.com) > wrote:

This  reminds me of the Seinfeld episode about George parking in the  
disabled spot.  I'm lucky that I have someone with me so I  don't have to take 
it 
disabled spots most of the time.  I  really feel for those individuals who 
drive 
or actually need a  disabled spots with the ramp access.

There are those  occasions where I do need to park in an accessible spot so 
that my  ramp can deploy properly, so I know what it feels like to be driving  
around looking for a parking place while nondisabled people are  ensconced in 
them.
Quadius

On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 5:07 PM, bob quinn  <_kult...@yahoo.com_ 
(mailto:kult...@yahoo.com) > wrote:


 
Love the idea!  I can't count the number of times I've  been unable to get 
into my van because someone parked in the  yellow-striped access area.  Even 
non-handicapped people (on  a motorcycle) think its parkable and policemen will 
not ticket  someone with a placard parked there (I've asked them to, as they  
helped push my van out so I could put my ramp down).   

One woman who left me waiting in the rain until she  returned was adamant 
about her right to park there (with her  handicap placard), saying a policeman 
had told her it was ok to  park there if/when there are no other handicap spots 
 
available.  Another (able-bodied) guy said without apology,  "don't get me 
started, my wife has Lou Gherig's disease," like  that gave him the right to 
park anywhere in a handicapped zone  (she was nowhere in site).  Another guy 
with 
a placard and no  discernible handicaps ('cept for being +300lbs) actually 
said,  "you handicapped people think you're so special."  I could go  on.  I 
was 
never anything but respectful in all encounters,  but what I usually got in 
return was far, far from it.  I  guess that reflects the type of people that 
would park in a space  that clearly isn't one.





  

 From: "_wheelch...@aol.com_ (mailto:wheelch...@aol.com) " 
<_wheelch...@aol.com_ (mailto:wheelch...@aol.com) >
To: _kkba...@yahoo.com_ (mailto:kkba...@yahoo.com) 

Re: [QUAD-L] Bill targets handicapped parking violators

[RONALD L PRACHT]

Hey guys,
 
I thought I would tell you an interesting parking story that happenned to me 
thursday evening. I arrived at hooters and a harley motorcycle was parked in 
the lined off section between the only two handicapped spots they have. I 
pulled in one of the handicapped spots unfolded my lift until it was 6 inches 
from the motorcycle. I called the police on my cell and explained the prob. Ten 
minutes later the officer arrived and I explained this happens all the time 
and how people have no respect for the spots andfrankly dont care if they block 
all the spots. The officer had me move the van up then he moved it back into 
the spot then proceded to go in hooters, find the guy and bring him outside. I 
later found out that the guy didnt receive any ticket and was laughing about 
the situation saying he does this all the time and will do it again. Soin 
short the problem we have is the cops dont enforce the lined off sections so 
dirtbags will continue to park
 there. The next time this happens I wont call the police I will ry to get a 
friend to kick over the 20,000 dollar bike, then maybe he will learn.
 
Ron c7   


 
Anyway, someone has probably already said this but the office of motor vehicles 
gives the placards (or licence plates with wheelchair insignias on them) out 
like candy.  If you have white hair -- eligible!

The problem with "bills being passed" -- is whether they are actually enforced 
or not.  Unfortunately usually not.  
 
Us in Phoenix or Tucson live in a "retirement attraction city" and they are 
also giving driver's licenses out to people who can barely think yet not 
recognize that their reflexes are not as sharp as they used to be and therefore 
cause many accidents.  The winters here are great except the population doubles 
between October and May or somewhere around there!  Therefore the traffic 
doubles and the stores are crowded with some folks who seem not to even know 
where they are let alone get back to their car and be on the road!  Scary!
 
I remember when I worked for an Independent Living Center in New York state and 
my supervisor would come storming in some morning saying "There ought to be a 
law that revokes giving out drivers licenses past the age of xx!!!" I can't 
remember now the exact age he said but I more than agree!  At a certain age, 
reflexes have slowed down significantly enough that they people should not be 
on the road and are a danger or hazard to others as well as to themselves.
 
Lori

On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 6:26 PM, Quadius  wrote:

This reminds me of the Seinfeld episode about George parking in the disabled 
spot.  I'm lucky that I have someone with me so I don't have to take it 
disabled spots most of the time.  I really feel for those individuals who drive 
or actually need a disabled spots with the ramp access.

There are those occasions where I do need to park in an accessible spot so that 
my ramp can deploy properly, so I know what it feels like to be driving around 
looking for a parking place while nondisabled people are ensconced in them.
Quadius


On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 5:07 PM, bob quinn  wrote:




Love the idea!  I can't count the number of times I've been unable to get into 
my van because someone parked in the yellow-striped access area.  Even 
non-handicapped people (on a motorcycle) think its parkable and policemen will 
not ticket someone with a placard parked there (I've asked them to, as they 
helped push my van out so I could put my ramp down).  

One woman who left me waiting in the rain until she returned was adamant about 
her right to park there (with her handicap placard), saying a policeman had 
told her it was ok to park there if/when there are no other handicap spots 
available.  Another (able-bodied) guy said without apology, "don't get me 
started, my wife has Lou Gherig's disease," like that gave him the right to 
park anywhere in a handicapped zone (she was nowhere in site).  Another guy 
with a placard and no discernible handicaps ('cept for being +300lbs) actually 
said, "you handicapped people think you're so special."  I could go on.  I was 
never anything but respectful in all encounters, but what I usually got in 
return was far, far from it.  I guess that reflects the type of people that 
would park in a space that clearly isn't one.







From: "wheelch...@aol.com" 
To: kkba...@yahoo.com; ms-qu...@yahoogroups.com; quad-list@eskimo.com
Cc: jco...@postandcourier.com
Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 4:18:55 PM
Subject: [QUAD-L] Bill targets handicapped parking violators





A rapid enforcement program of violations and fines, will pay off the National 
Debt, in just under 3 years.
Within 4 years, we could pave our highways with yellow bricks too.
Let's get the program in gear!
Best Wishes
W
 

In a message dated 1/19/2009 1:53:00 P.M. Central Standard Time, 
kkba...@yahoo.com writes:
http://www.charleston.net/news/2009/jan/19/bill_targets_handicapped_parking_violato688

Re: [QUAD-L] Occupational Therapist vs Physical Therapist........

[wheelchair]

Spinal Cord Injury, didn't get a lot of attention until the Korean War and  
returning injured soldiers.
Methodist Hospital, in Indianapolis, IN developed the 1st Spinal Cord  Injury 
Unit.  Today, there is so much more by comparison.  The Miami  Project, 
Shepard Hospital, Kessler Hospital, Rehab Institute of Chicago, Craig  Hospital 
and 
so many more clinics serving those with Neuro Injuries.  OTs,  PTs, RTs and 
nurses are getting better with knowledge and training.
The sad thing is serious neuro injuries continue to occur and test the  
limits of our medical expertise.
The future is promising and I hope that all of us continue to learn.
 
Best Wishes
 
 
 
In a message dated 1/24/2009 6:09:01 P.M. Central Standard Time,  
lorilivin...@gmail.com writes:

Forgot to send this to the group instead of one  person:
 

All of my experiences in rehab and then going to outpatient rehab after  I 
came home -- have been better with PTs than OTs by far.  This was a  recent 
topic not too long ago here and I remember writing that here on the  list then 
too.
 
In my experience, all the OTs wanted to put everyone with a spinal cord  
injury "into the same box" or even "into the same disability box" as other  
disabilities.  By that I mean that if a certain gadget or gizmo works  for "so 
and 
so" -- then it should work for everyone.  All of mine were  also very snooty 
and they KNEW unequivocally what was best.

On the other hand all of my PTs were great!  I was in rehab  three months and 
then went to outpatient rehab for probably three months  also.  This was 28 
years ago so times have changed and experiences are  all different.  I say 28 
years because I was in the hospital (before  in-house rehab hospital) for nine 
months.  
 
In case you notice that my signature below says 29 years.
 
Lori Michaelson
Age - 44
/5 complete quad, 29 years post
Tucson, AZ
 

 







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Re: [QUAD-L] Occupational Therapist vs Physical Therapist........

[Lori Michaelson]

Forgot to send this to the group instead of one person:


> All of my experiences in rehab and then going to outpatient rehab after I
> came home -- have been better with PTs than OTs by far.  This was a recent
> topic not too long ago here and I remember writing that here on the
> list then too.
>
> In my experience, all the OTs wanted to put everyone with a spinal cord
> injury "into the same box" or even "into the same disability box" as other
> disabilities.  By that I mean that if a certain gadget or gizmo works for
> "so and so" -- then it should work for everyone.  All of mine were also very
> snooty and they KNEW unequivocally what was best.
>
> On the other hand all of my PTs were great!  I was in rehab three months
> and then went to outpatient rehab for probably three months also.  This was
> 28 years ago so times have changed and experiences are all different.  I say
> 28 years because I was in the hospital (before in-house rehab hospital) for
> nine months.
>
> In case you notice that my signature below says 29 years.
>
> Lori Michaelson
> Age - 44
> C4/5 complete quad, 29 years post
> Tucson, AZ
>
>
> On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 6:50 PM, Quadius  wrote:
>
>> Some of the issues you raised here John are specifically why a
>> well-rounded team approach should be used in all spinal cord injured
>> patients.  Sadly that is impractical given all of the problems with
>> insurance in this country.
>>
>> I didn't have the opportunity to go to one of the venerated rehabilitation
>> centers, but the VA hospital in Tampa offered a pretty good rehab.  I had
>> the use of KTs, PTs, OTs, psychiatrists, social workers, and recreational
>> therapist.  Everyone should have the opportunity to enjoy the services.
>>
>> Maybe one day we'll get to the point where everyone can be treated the
>> same.
>> Q
>>
>> On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 2:50 PM, John S.  wrote:
>>
>>>   As confusing as this may sound, you can have either an OT or a PT and
>>> one can be better than the other purely from experience. Never judge them by
>>> which one you like the best. While I have the attention of so many pro's
>>> here, I'd like to mention how critical psychiatric therapy can be for the
>>> traumatic quads and paras. It isn't fair to many of them to have to answer
>>> questions of tremendous importance when they can't get their mind around not
>>> walking again. I feel the psychologist might be a great help in determining
>>> the patients ability to help in their treatment as well as helping them to
>>> move on more quickly in positive directions.
>>> I've found that many OTs and PTs are far more educated than when I became
>>> a quad. Often doctors do not know what autonomic dysreflexia is and do not
>>> spot signs of the onset of seizures. I guess if doctors are going to be
>>> dumber, the rest of the medical community better get smart fast.
>>> That is the best I can do. I'm obviously in more pain than I thought I'd
>>> be.
>>>
>>> all the best,
>>> john
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -- On *Thu, 1/22/09, Tara Fettes * wrote:
>>>
>>> From: Tara Fettes 
>>> Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] Occupational Therapist vs Physical
>>> Therapist
>>> To: wheelch...@aol.com, imsweet1...@hotmail.com, tiffany51...@yahoo.com,
>>> dav...@aol.com
>>> Cc: quad-list@eskimo.com
>>> Date: Thursday, January 22, 2009, 6:00 PM
>>>
>>>
>>>  hi all, my name is tara and i too am a student with the same group. the
>>> difference with me is that i've done PT the past 15 years and now am trading
>>> sides to OT.  Why you may ask? #1 is the stress to my body, just wont be
>>> able to do for 35 more years or more.(since retirement is getting older)
>>> some differences: PT is now a doctorate program. OT is now a master's
>>> program. they say that PT gets you there, and OT give you something to do
>>> once your there.  as far as what services are best, it really depends on
>>> what your problem is and even then, all therapists have some specialty so
>>> you need to make sure they have experience with your issue, more than just
>>> what they learned in theory.  both do wheelchairs, however if you need
>>> custom, you are best with a RESNA certified ATP (assistive technology
>>> provider) -that's an extra exam and credentials either may obtain. since i
>>> am new to this i dont know if it posted to everyone. please help. Tara
>>>
>>>  --
>>> *From:* "wheelch...@aol.com" 
>>> *To:* imsweet1...@hotmail.com; tiffany51...@yahoo.com; dav...@aol.com
>>> *Cc:* quad-list@eskimo.com
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 20, 2009 10:07:24 PM
>>> *Subject:* [QUAD-L] Occupational Therapist vs Physical Therapist
>>>
>>> Thank You for your candidate reply and no argument from me as how you
>>> explained your positive goal for your clients when you graduate.  One
>>> question I've always had is in a perfect world a client in need would have
>>> the service of both an OT or PT.  However in the present economy, not all
>>> clients are faced with the perfect world.  T

Re: [QUAD-L] Bill targets handicapped parking violators

[Lori Michaelson]

Yeah.

Anyway, someone has probably already said this but the office of motor
vehicles gives the placards (or licence plates with wheelchair insignias on
them) out like candy.  If you have white hair -- eligible!

The problem with "bills being passed" -- is whether they are actually
enforced or not.  Unfortunately usually not.

Us in Phoenix or Tucson live in a "retirement attraction city" and they are
also giving driver's *licenses* out to people who can barely think yet not
recognize that their reflexes are not as sharp as they used to be and
therefore cause many accidents.  The winters here are great except the
population doubles between October and May or somewhere around there!
Therefore the traffic doubles and the stores are crowded with some folks who
seem not to even know where they are let alone get back to their car and be
on the road!  Scary!

I remember when I worked for an Independent Living Center in New York state
and my supervisor would come storming in some morning saying "There ought to
be a law that revokes giving out drivers licenses past the age of xx!!!" I
can't remember now the exact age he said but I more than agree!  At a
certain age, reflexes have slowed down significantly enough that they people
should not be on the road and are a danger or hazard to others as well as to
themselves.

Lori
On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 6:26 PM, Quadius  wrote:

> This reminds me of the Seinfeld episode about George parking in the
> disabled spot.  I'm lucky that I have someone with me so I don't have to
> take it disabled spots most of the time.  I really feel for those
> individuals who drive or actually need a disabled spots with the ramp
> access.
>
> There are those occasions where I do need to park in an accessible spot so
> that my ramp can deploy properly, so I know what it feels like to be driving
> around looking for a parking place while nondisabled people are ensconced in
> them.
> Quadius
>
> On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 5:07 PM, bob quinn  wrote:
>
>>  Love the idea!  I can't count the number of times I've been unable to
>> get into my van because someone parked in the yellow-striped access area.
>> Even non-handicapped people (on a motorcycle) think its parkable and
>> policemen will not ticket someone with a placard parked there (I've asked
>> them to, as they helped push my van out so I could put my ramp down).
>>
>> One woman who left me waiting in the rain until she returned was adamant
>> about her right to park there (with her handicap placard), saying a
>> policeman had told her it was ok to park there if/when there are no other
>> handicap spots available.  Another (able-bodied) guy said without apology,
>> "don't get me started, my wife has Lou Gherig's disease," like that gave him
>> the right to park anywhere in a handicapped zone (she was nowhere in site).
>> Another guy with a placard and no discernible handicaps ('cept for being
>> +300lbs) actually said, "you handicapped people think you're so special."  I
>> could go on.  I was never anything but respectful in all encounters, but
>> what I usually got in return was far, far from it.  I guess that reflects
>> the type of people that would park in a space that clearly isn't one.
>>
>>  --
>> *From:* "wheelch...@aol.com" 
>> *To:* kkba...@yahoo.com; ms-qu...@yahoogroups.com; quad-list@eskimo.com
>> *Cc:* jco...@postandcourier.com
>> *Sent:* Monday, January 19, 2009 4:18:55 PM
>> *Subject:* [QUAD-L] Bill targets handicapped parking violators
>>
>> A rapid enforcement program of violations and fines, will pay off the
>> National Debt, in just under 3 years.
>> Within 4 years, we could pave our highways with yellow bricks too.
>> Let's get the program in gear!
>> Best Wishes
>> W
>>
>>  In a message dated 1/19/2009 1:53:00 P.M. Central Standard Time,
>> kkba...@yahoo.com writes:
>>
>>
>> http://www.charleston.net/news/2009/jan/19/bill_targets_handicapped_parking_violato68834/
>>
>> Bill targets handicapped parking violators
>> BY JILL COLEY (CONTACT)
>> The Post and Courier
>> Monday, January 19, 2009
>>
>>
>> Special Section:
>> Watchdog
>>
>> People use handicap placards that don't belong to them. Drivers park in
>> the striped access aisles next to designated spaces. And confusion abounds
>> over who is responsible for catching violators.
>>
>> "There's a continual problem of people abusing handicap placards, parking
>> in spaces without a placard or having a placard they're not entitled to,"
>> said Sen. Vincent Sheheen of Camden.
>>
>> Sheheen and Sen. Dick Elliott of North Myrtle Beach, both Democrats,
>> introduced a bill last week to create more accountability in the process of
>> acquiring a placard. The state Senate already has passed the legislation
>> twice, but the bill stalled in the House both times, Sheheen said.
>>
>> Angela Jacildone, state advocacy manager for the mid-Atlantic chapter of
>> the National Multiple Sclerosis Society, said record keeping is part of the
>> problem.
>>
>> "Ther

Re: [QUAD-L] Re: Love Those Seinfield Shows

[wheelchair]

Thank You  Naomi.  Was that a OT or PT item, in your case?   Once again, in 
your case, how does it work for you.
 
Best Wishes
 
 
In a message dated 1/24/2009 4:38:21 P.M. Central Standard Time, LadyNotes  
writes:

The BFO is now known as the MAS, Mobile Arm Support.  I have one  that 
attaches to my wheelchair that I use for task work such as reading a  magazine, 
feeding myself, or any other work that requires the use of my  arm.  It can be 
adjusted up, down, or side to side, steel with the use of  rubber bands.
 
Naomi
C4 quadriplegicdue to Transverse Myelitis
since July  2, 2005  

 
In a message dated 1/23/2009 9:13:49 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
wheelch...@aol.com writes:

   
Balanced Forearm Orthosis (BFO), is a device used in rehab. PT or OT  may use 
them to create Zero Gravity on ones arms , using rubber bands as  counter 
tension on the BFO. With Zero weight on the fore limbs, the  patient can begin 
the process of exercise to strengthen muscles. 
 
By posting BOF, I was hoping that one of the OT or PT would correct me  
with... 
well you know where I'm going, lol.
 
Did you have any exposure to BFO in rehab?
Best Wishes
 
 
 
In a message dated 1/23/2009 7:42:41 P.M. Central Standard Time,  
quad...@gmail.com writes:

It  really would have been great with cell phones.  I never really  thought 
about that aspect of the show.
I read the story about the Las  Vegas scooters.  I guess that they're willing 
to pay for them, but  then again everyone thinks they're disabled.

Panhandling can be  lucrative in the right spots.  I just read in my local 
paper that  street performers are looking to rent a couch down here during the 
Super  Bowl.  I could make some extra cash, but I don't want somebody I  don't 
know staying in my house.

This is completely unrelated, but  what are BOFs?  I happened to see that 
acronym in one of your  previous e-mails and someone else asked.  I've been in 
his chair for  13 1/2 years and I've never heard of that acronym.
Quadius

On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 8:34 PM, <_wheelch...@aol.com_ 
(mailto:wheelch...@aol.com) >  wrote:


Its a shame that the show ended before cell phones... It would have  been so 
good.
 
Have you heard about those lazy butts who can afford to rent  mobility 
scooters in Las Vegas and dealers willing to rent them for $40  bucks a day 
without 
asking questions.
 
or the California street beggars that are using hospital grade  wheelchairs 
to beg in with cups. Some can make a couple hundred dollars  a day doing 
this..
 
Kewl, eh?
BestWishes
 
 
In a message dated 1/23/2009 7:27:15 P.M. Central Standard Time, 
_quad...@gmail.com_ (mailto:quad...@gmail.com)  writes:

This reminds me of the Seinfeld episode about George parking in  the disabled 
spot.  I'm lucky that I have someone with me so I  don't have to take it 
disabled spots most of the time.  I really  feel for those individuals who 
drive 
or actually need a disabled spots  with the ramp access


 

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Re: [QUAD-L] Re: Love Those Seinfield Shows

[LadyNotes]

The BFO is now known as the MAS, Mobile Arm Support.  I have one that  
attaches to my wheelchair that I use for task work such as reading a magazine,  
feeding myself, or any other work that requires the use of my arm.  It can  be 
adjusted up, down, or side to side, steel with the use of rubber bands.
 
Naomi
C4 quadriplegicdue to Transverse Myelitis
since July 2,  2005  

 
In a message dated 1/23/2009 9:13:49 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
wheelch...@aol.com writes:

   
Balanced Forearm Orthosis (BFO), is a device used in rehab. PT or OT may  use 
them to create Zero Gravity on ones arms , using rubber bands as counter  
tension on the BFO. With Zero weight on the fore limbs, the patient can  begin 
the process of exercise to strengthen muscles. 
 
By posting BOF, I was hoping that one of the OT or PT would correct me  
with... 
well you know where I'm going, lol.
 
Did you have any exposure to BFO in rehab?
Best Wishes
 
 
 
In a message dated 1/23/2009 7:42:41 P.M. Central Standard Time,  
quad...@gmail.com writes:

It  really would have been great with cell phones.  I never really thought  
about that aspect of the show.
I read the story about the Las Vegas  scooters.  I guess that they're willing 
to pay for them, but then again  everyone thinks they're disabled.

Panhandling can be lucrative in the  right spots.  I just read in my local 
paper that street performers are  looking to rent a couch down here during the 
Super Bowl.  I could make  some extra cash, but I don't want somebody I don't 
know staying in my  house.

This is completely unrelated, but what are BOFs?  I  happened to see that 
acronym in one of your previous e-mails and someone  else asked.  I've been in 
his chair for 13 1/2 years and I've never  heard of that acronym.
Quadius

On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 8:34 PM, <_wheelch...@aol.com_ 
(mailto:wheelch...@aol.com) >  wrote:


Its a shame that the show ended before cell phones... It would have  been so 
good.
 
Have you heard about those lazy butts who can afford to rent mobility  
scooters in Las Vegas and dealers willing to rent them for $40 bucks a day  
without 
asking questions.
 
or the California street beggars that are using hospital grade  wheelchairs 
to beg in with cups. Some can make a couple hundred dollars a  day doing 
this..
 
Kewl, eh?
BestWishes
 
 
In a message dated 1/23/2009 7:27:15 P.M. Central Standard Time, 
_quad...@gmail.com_ (mailto:quad...@gmail.com)  writes:

This reminds me of the Seinfeld episode about George parking in  the disabled 
spot.  I'm lucky that I have someone with me so I  don't have to take it 
disabled spots most of the time.  I really  feel for those individuals who 
drive 
or actually need a disabled spots  with the ramp access


 

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Re: [QUAD-L] Thank-you Obama: FDA Approves Stem Cell Trials for SCI

[Quadius]

I must say I smiled at the mention of Lou Dobbs.  When I was hospitalized
while back, the first time for a medical reason in more than 5 1/2 years, I
watched a lot of CNN.  I always thought Dobbs was a raving conservative, but
I think he just as firm convictions.

I wanted to send him an e-mail that said "I would be more inclined to
believe that you are a "populist independent" if you didn't have to remind
us six or seven times each show that you are a "populist independent."

Take care of yourself,
Quadius

On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 11:53 PM, Tod E. Santee  wrote:

> Oh, yeah... "No Bias, No Bull."  I forgot about that.  I have to turn it
> down during Lou Dobbs (unless my BP is especially low that day!) and I don't
> always turn it back up in time.
>
> As for embyonic stem cell research, I can't seem to put it into a context
> of "is it right or wrong" ... Not all science meets with everyone's
> definition of "ethical."   But science, in this case, is using "spare"
> embryos that ARE going to be incinerated as "biohazardous waste" and taking
> a chance at putting them to good use.
>
> Some people feel genetically modified food is "unethical" and that the
> results of GM pollen/nectar are killing off monarch butterflies.  However,
> we DO need food.
>
> Best wishes & Good night!
> --Tod
>
>
>  Quadius  wrote:
> > You were quite correct that Obama is not to be credited with this
> particular
> > approval, but I think federal money will be coming next week or shortly
> > thereafter.  As for me, I'm keeping my fingers crossed.  I know there are
> > others on here who don't agree with embryonic stem cell research, but I
> for
> > one am glad things are changing.
> >
> > As for me, CNN is my secondary source in my house.  I usually watch
> MSNBC.
> > It's definitely more left in the evening, but I often find that I get
> much
> > more out of the shows than I do anywhere else.
> >
> > If I were to choose a CNN show I like to watch, it would be Campbell
> > Brown's.
> > Just my opinion.
> > Quadius
> >
> > On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 12:52 PM, Tod E. Santee  wrote:
> >
> > > Hey Bob -- I *LOVE* politics!  CNN is a fixture at my house, not a
> channel
> > > to choose.  Wolf Blitzer's "Situation Room" is as attention-grabbing,
> to me,
> > > as porn is to many (LOL).
> > >
> > > I don't mind discussing it here.  And, as a science teacher, too, I
> can't
> > > wait 'til Obama erases some of the Bush stranglehold on science being
> > > published without "presidential editing."
> > >
> > > Best wishes!
> > > --Tod
> > >
>
>


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C2-3 incomplete
13 years post injury

Re: [QUAD-L] Re: Love Those Seinfield Shows

[Quadius]

That explains why don't know it.  I don't have use of my arms, so they never
used the acronym around me.
Thanks,
Quadius

On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 9:13 PM,  wrote:

>  Balanced Forearm Orthosis (BFO), is a device used in rehab. PT or OT may
> use them to create Zero Gravity on ones arms , using rubber bands as counter
> tension on the BFO. With Zero weight on the fore limbs, the patient can
> begin the process of exercise to strengthen muscles.
>
> By posting BOF, I was hoping that one of the OT or PT would correct me
> with...
> well you know where I'm going, lol.
>
> Did you have any exposure to BFO in rehab?
> Best Wishes
>
>
>  In a message dated 1/23/2009 7:42:41 P.M. Central Standard Time,
> quad...@gmail.com writes:
>
> It really would have been great with cell phones.  I never really thought
> about that aspect of the show.
> I read the story about the Las Vegas scooters.  I guess that they're
> willing to pay for them, but then again everyone thinks they're disabled.
>
> Panhandling can be lucrative in the right spots.  I just read in my local
> paper that street performers are looking to rent a couch down here during
> the Super Bowl.  I could make some extra cash, but I don't want somebody I
> don't know staying in my house.
>
> This is completely unrelated, but what are BOFs?  I happened to see that
> acronym in one of your previous e-mails and someone else asked.  I've been
> in his chair for 13 1/2 years and I've never heard of that acronym.
> Quadius
>
> On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 8:34 PM,  wrote:
>
>>  Its a shame that the show ended before cell phones... It would have been
>> so good.
>>
>> Have you heard about those lazy butts who can afford to rent mobility
>> scooters in Las Vegas and dealers willing to rent them for $40 bucks a day
>> without asking questions.
>>
>> or the California street beggars that are using hospital grade wheelchairs
>> to beg in with cups. Some can make a couple hundred dollars a day doing
>> this..
>>
>> Kewl, eh?
>> BestWishes
>>
>>  In a message dated 1/23/2009 7:27:15 P.M. Central Standard Time,
>> quad...@gmail.com writes:
>>
>> This reminds me of the Seinfeld episode about George parking in the
>> disabled spot.  I'm lucky that I have someone with me so I don't have to
>> take it disabled spots most of the time.  I really feel for those
>> individuals who drive or actually need a disabled spots with the ramp access
>>
>>
>> --
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>> steps!
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>
>
> --
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> C2-3 incomplete
> 13 years post injury
>
>
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[QUAD-L] Vista

[Joan Anglin]

For those of us using Vista, I see we are going to be obsolete. That didn't
take long J. The new windows 7 will have voice recognition however, so
hopefully within a year we will get to try something new. Many comments have
mentioned that the windows 7 will make Dragon obsolete. I prefer Vista to
Dragon-guess I'm just a cheapskate.

Dana, you mentioned mouse gridding-With Vista for general commands you can
just say "show numbers" and all clickable options are highlighted. Are there
problems? What voice recognition method doesn't have problems? I think it's
the nature of the beast. Frustrating, sometimes, but oh so worthwhile for
me. I think back to 18 years ago, and I am very glad that I live in this
century with the technology that is available today.

Joan

[QUAD-L] Bluetooth and limited function use

[wheelchair]

Tod, you have expose my one true weakness, cellular communication.   But I'm 
learning.   (lol)
Best Wishes
 
 
In a message dated 1/24/2009 2:56:29 P.M. Central Standard Time,  
sant...@cox.net writes:

Elizabeth & Dana -- 

Sorry this got sent to the wrong  person... I didn't see Elizabeth's original 
post and, Dana, I didn't notice  that your post was a (Re: ) reply to hers 
since the original text was  gone.

Oh well... I'm hoping it got to the list.  I haven't seen it  yet but if it 
didn't THIS one should (I hope).

Either way, to answer  the Original question, I don't know of any 
voice-actived Bluetooth devices but  now that it's on my mind I plan on 
searching.  I can 
see where it might  be useful for us Q folks, but also difficult to 
accurately control in that  something could be said in a normal conversation 
that might 
launch a phone  call or just the opposite, hang up on someone in the middle 
of an emergency  phone call.

Just imagination: (a conversation with your  doctor)
"Do you think I should call my wheelchair  manufacturer?"  And suddenly your 
cell phone starts making a call to  Wheelchair, that "infamous" member of the 
Quad-List!  Ooops!

Best  to All,
--Tod

 "Tod E. Santee"  wrote:  
> Hi Dana,
> 
> I was talking about my Plantronics Calisto  Pro Bluetooth phone.  I can use 
the earpiece/headset to switch  between:
> 
>  * my landline and cell phone, or  
>  * landline and Dragon (and Windows/Yahoo audio/video  communication, i.e., 
MSN Messenger, etc.), or even
>  * cell phone  and Dragon/computer
> 
> (Only 2 at a time!)
> 
> The  "Ability Catch" -- with the Calisto you *do* need to have the ability 
to press  a button near your ear to pick up a call... except with a cell phone 
with an  auto answer function.  But you also need to press and hold that 
button  for approx 2-3 seconds to toggle between whichever 2 units it's 
operating 
with  at the time.
> 
> I'm a C5 and can easily reach my ear and press  the button with my thumb.  
It takes some fine motor or steadiness and a  bit of sensory ability to fully 
operate it independently.
> 
> The  button is small... so first you need to be able to find it with your  
thumb/finger/knuckle or whatever you would use.  I suppose someone  skilled at 
using a rubber-tipped pencil or stick could figure out how to do  it, as 
well.  After all, I know how resourceful we Q's can be!!!
>  
> Once it's found, a push INward turns it on/off and toggles it between  
devices.  Pressing and holding slightly upward or downward adjusts the  volume 
accordingly.
> 
> I've had this phone about a month now and  still love it.
> 
> Besides the Bluetooth functions I also like  this phone because even 
without the earpiece I can answer it if its on my lap  or a table or even while 
its 
in its charging cradle by pressing the  speakerphone button.
> 
> 
> I hope the info about "the  button" is helpful... it seems that was your 
most "pressing" issue (Awww, bad,  I know!)... at least as Bluetooth headsets 
go.
> 
> Best  wishes!
> --Tod
> 
> 
>  daa...@aol.com wrote:  
> > Someone was talking about a Bluetooth that would work with the  computer, 
 
> > cell phone and landline phone. Are you having  success with your 
earpiece? I am  
> > using a Plantronics eight  hour but you have to push the phone unless she 
could  
> > train  the phone somehow to answer, which I have not done yet. My phone 
keeps   
> > telling me it is too noisy.. I have a Sony Z 750a. I know Joan  has 
figured 
> > out  how to do. I have never gotten an adapter  from RadioShack. I need 
to take 
> > her  letter to RadioShack.  My brother has my old computer with all my 
files .
> >  
>  > I just got a Bluetooth for my cell phone. Now I know I need a new  
handset  
> > for earpiece for my computer. I'm still having  problems with Dragon 
Vista  
> > working with AOL and other  programs. I did figure out that my brother 
purchased  
> > the  wrong naturally speaking. He ordered preferred instead of 
professional.  Is  
> > anyone else having problems with commands and using  Dragon? I probably 
am 
> > doing  something wrong.
> >  
> > Any suggestions from other Dragon wizards and the Vista   program. I get 
> > carried of mouse gridding all day long and moving  the mouse with  my 
cursor. I know 
> > I am computer slow. The  Lunis from the knowbrainer website  said I could 
> > train  words on the professional version. XP works so much better  with 
Dragon.  He 
> > suggested using Windows Mail, which I have not figured out  how  to set 
up. I 
> > don't know the nation asking about what  kind of server I have. I  have 
always 
> > used Yahoo and  AOL.
> >  
> > It is frustrating to figure out. I had  no luck with the Bush program on  
> > Vista.
> >   
> > 
> > 
> > Dana
>  



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RE: [QUAD-L] Bluetooth

[Joan Anglin]

OK
I'm going to try something new.

 As most of you know, I have been using a Sony Ericsson W600i, connected by the 
headset cable for FM with an adapter from RadioShack (2.5 for the Jabra a 210 
to whatever is needed for the Sony cable?) To a Jabra a 210 adapter, and then 
using a Bluetooth headset. By the way, I have used several different 
Bluetooths, and after pairing with the A210, they have all worked. The magic is 
a Sony Ericsson W600i :-). I just bought a used W600i on Ebay for $60.00, an 
A210 for $20.00, and I already had the adaptor. To set it up is rather simple, 
make sure the phone is set to factory settings, go to the settings and set up 
for hands free. Connect the cable, adaptor from RadioShack, and attach the A210 
to the cable. Pair the Bluetooth with the A 210, and now you are ready to 
program your voice dialing. Setup magic word-that activates the phone-and start 
using! It took us about 25 minutes to do everything, including adding all my 
voice dialing contacts. For numbers that you do not want to voice dial-in noisy 
environments the cell phone will pick up and call people so I keep my actual 
voice dial contacts to a minimum-one can select Voice Dial and there you can 
keep up to 80 contacts, just say the name and it will call them.
That is probably more information than most of you wanted to know! :-)

So what's new?

I have found a new Bluetooth that is voice activated. I have ordered one from 
Amazon-$82.00-and will be trying it next week. I am hoping that it will work 
without the Jabra A 210, but if not I am hoping that its superior noise 
cancellation and two microphone system and voice commands will be an 
improvement over the inexpensive Bluetooth I have now. It is a Blue Ant V1. 
Just google it and you can see what the company said its capable of doing. I've 
read most of the comments on Amazon site, and they are predominantly positive. 
So I will let you guys know what works for me.

I wish I could press a button, but since I can't I keep looking for the newest 
and bestest‼

Have a great weekend. Joan

Re: [QUAD-L] Bluetooth

[Tod E. Santee]

Elizabeth & Dana -- 

Sorry this got sent to the wrong person... I didn't see Elizabeth's original 
post and, Dana, I didn't notice that your post was a (Re: ) reply to hers since 
the original text was gone.

Oh well... I'm hoping it got to the list.  I haven't seen it yet but if it 
didn't THIS one should (I hope).

Either way, to answer the Original question, I don't know of any voice-actived 
Bluetooth devices but now that it's on my mind I plan on searching.  I can see 
where it might be useful for us Q folks, but also difficult to accurately 
control in that something could be said in a normal conversation that might 
launch a phone call or just the opposite, hang up on someone in the middle of 
an emergency phone call.

Just imagination: (a conversation with your doctor)
   "Do you think I should call my wheelchair manufacturer?"  And suddenly your 
cell phone starts making a call to Wheelchair, that "infamous" member of the 
Quad-List!  Ooops!

Best to All,
--Tod

 "Tod E. Santee"  wrote: 
> Hi Dana,
> 
> I was talking about my Plantronics Calisto Pro Bluetooth phone.  I can use 
> the earpiece/headset to switch between:
> 
>  * my landline and cell phone, or 
>  * landline and Dragon (and Windows/Yahoo audio/video communication, i.e., 
> MSN Messenger, etc.), or even
>  * cell phone and Dragon/computer
> 
> (Only 2 at a time!)
> 
> The "Ability Catch" -- with the Calisto you *do* need to have the ability to 
> press a button near your ear to pick up a call... except with a cell phone 
> with an auto answer function.  But you also need to press and hold that 
> button for approx 2-3 seconds to toggle between whichever 2 units it's 
> operating with at the time.
> 
> I'm a C5 and can easily reach my ear and press the button with my thumb.  It 
> takes some fine motor or steadiness and a bit of sensory ability to fully 
> operate it independently.
> 
> The button is small... so first you need to be able to find it with your 
> thumb/finger/knuckle or whatever you would use.  I suppose someone skilled at 
> using a rubber-tipped pencil or stick could figure out how to do it, as well. 
>  After all, I know how resourceful we Q's can be!!!
> 
> Once it's found, a push INward turns it on/off and toggles it between 
> devices.  Pressing and holding slightly upward or downward adjusts the volume 
> accordingly.
> 
> I've had this phone about a month now and still love it.
> 
> Besides the Bluetooth functions I also like this phone because even without 
> the earpiece I can answer it if its on my lap or a table or even while its in 
> its charging cradle by pressing the speakerphone button.
> 
> 
> I hope the info about "the button" is helpful... it seems that was your most 
> "pressing" issue (Awww, bad, I know!)... at least as Bluetooth headsets go.
> 
> Best wishes!
> --Tod
> 
> 
>  daa...@aol.com wrote: 
> > Someone was talking about a Bluetooth that would work with the computer,  
> > cell phone and landline phone. Are you having success with your earpiece? I 
> > am  
> > using a Plantronics eight hour but you have to push the phone unless she 
> > could  
> > train the phone somehow to answer, which I have not done yet. My phone 
> > keeps  
> > telling me it is too noisy.. I have a Sony Z 750a. I know Joan has figured 
> > out  how to do. I have never gotten an adapter from RadioShack. I need to 
> > take 
> > her  letter to RadioShack. My brother has my old computer with all my files 
> > .
> >  
> > I just got a Bluetooth for my cell phone. Now I know I need a new handset  
> > for earpiece for my computer. I'm still having problems with Dragon Vista  
> > working with AOL and other programs. I did figure out that my brother 
> > purchased  
> > the wrong naturally speaking. He ordered preferred instead of professional. 
> > Is  
> > anyone else having problems with commands and using Dragon? I probably am 
> > doing  something wrong.
> > 
> > Any suggestions from other Dragon wizards and the Vista  program. I get 
> > carried of mouse gridding all day long and moving the mouse with  my 
> > cursor. I know 
> > I am computer slow. The Lunis from the knowbrainer website  said I could 
> > train words on the professional version. XP works so much better  with 
> > Dragon. He 
> > suggested using Windows Mail, which I have not figured out how  to set up. 
> > I 
> > don't know the nation asking about what kind of server I have. I  have 
> > always 
> > used Yahoo and AOL.
> >  
> > It is frustrating to figure out. I had no luck with the Bush program on  
> > Vista.
> >  
> > 
> > 
> > Dana
> 

Re: [QUAD-L] SCS Spinal Cord Stimulation

[wheelchair]

FES and SCS is nothing new.  In the past, there were failures is the  
procedure, but so much more has been learn and the medical industry continues 
to  
learn and make advancements.
Does your doctor feel that you might be a good candidate for such a  
procedure?
 
Best Wishes
 
 
In a message dated 1/24/2009 1:54:27 P.M. Central Standard Time,  
g...@eskimo.com writes:

 
Anyone here ever try using a SCS  Spinal Cord Stimulator? 
They implant small electrodes into  the spinal cord. I was talking to a pain 
doc I met by chance and he asked if  I’ve tried one. 
He said they worked well for  phantom pains sand other long term causes of  
pain. 
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[QUAD-L] SCS Spinal Cord Stimulation

[Greg]

Anyone here ever try using a SCS Spinal Cord Stimulator?

They implant small electrodes into the spinal cord. I was talking to a pain
doc I met by chance and he asked if I've tried one.

He said they worked well for phantom pains sand other long term causes of
pain.

Greg

Re: [QUAD-L] Bluetooth

[Tod E. Santee]

Hi Dana,

I was talking about my Plantronics Calisto Pro Bluetooth phone.  I can use the 
earpiece/headset to switch between:

 * my landline and cell phone, or 
 * landline and Dragon (and Windows/Yahoo audio/video communication, i.e., MSN 
Messenger, etc.), or even
 * cell phone and Dragon/computer

(Only 2 at a time!)

The "Ability Catch" -- with the Calisto you *do* need to have the ability to 
press a button near your ear to pick up a call... except with a cell phone with 
an auto answer function.  But you also need to press and hold that button for 
approx 2-3 seconds to toggle between whichever 2 units it's operating with at 
the time.

I'm a C5 and can easily reach my ear and press the button with my thumb.  It 
takes some fine motor or steadiness and a bit of sensory ability to fully 
operate it independently.

The button is small... so first you need to be able to find it with your 
thumb/finger/knuckle or whatever you would use.  I suppose someone skilled at 
using a rubber-tipped pencil or stick could figure out how to do it, as well.  
After all, I know how resourceful we Q's can be!!!

Once it's found, a push INward turns it on/off and toggles it between devices.  
Pressing and holding slightly upward or downward adjusts the volume accordingly.

I've had this phone about a month now and still love it.

Besides the Bluetooth functions I also like this phone because even without the 
earpiece I can answer it if its on my lap or a table or even while its in its 
charging cradle by pressing the speakerphone button.


I hope the info about "the button" is helpful... it seems that was your most 
"pressing" issue (Awww, bad, I know!)... at least as Bluetooth headsets go.

Best wishes!
--Tod


 daa...@aol.com wrote: 
> Someone was talking about a Bluetooth that would work with the computer,  
> cell phone and landline phone. Are you having success with your earpiece? I 
> am  
> using a Plantronics eight hour but you have to push the phone unless she 
> could  
> train the phone somehow to answer, which I have not done yet. My phone keeps  
> telling me it is too noisy.. I have a Sony Z 750a. I know Joan has figured 
> out  how to do. I have never gotten an adapter from RadioShack. I need to 
> take 
> her  letter to RadioShack. My brother has my old computer with all my files .
>  
> I just got a Bluetooth for my cell phone. Now I know I need a new handset  
> for earpiece for my computer. I'm still having problems with Dragon Vista  
> working with AOL and other programs. I did figure out that my brother 
> purchased  
> the wrong naturally speaking. He ordered preferred instead of professional. 
> Is  
> anyone else having problems with commands and using Dragon? I probably am 
> doing  something wrong.
> 
> Any suggestions from other Dragon wizards and the Vista  program. I get 
> carried of mouse gridding all day long and moving the mouse with  my cursor. 
> I know 
> I am computer slow. The Lunis from the knowbrainer website  said I could 
> train words on the professional version. XP works so much better  with 
> Dragon. He 
> suggested using Windows Mail, which I have not figured out how  to set up. I 
> don't know the nation asking about what kind of server I have. I  have always 
> used Yahoo and AOL.
>  
> It is frustrating to figure out. I had no luck with the Bush program on  
> Vista.
>  
> 
> 
> Dana

Re: [QUAD-L] long term quads

[John S.]

For you other quads that have more than 25 years, I'm getting bone growths, 
some in lumps, sometimes points. I've had several removed and others are just 
left alone since they aren't harming anything. I have a large one growing on my 
left forearm. Probably a candidate for removal. There are pointy  ones coming 
off my T2-L2 vertebrae. Not all of them but several in that area of my spine 
and when I'm forced straight, the x-ray shows them gouging the nerves. Are any 
of you having this problem? I truly hate having to take a lot of pain meds. 
Nobody wants to hear people in wheelchairs complain about pain when we already 
have the cool parking places. (jk)

Thanks,
john  

--- On Sat, 1/24/09, wheelch...@aol.com  wrote:
From: wheelch...@aol.com 
Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] Bluetooth
To: missl...@optonline.net, quad-list@eskimo.com
Date: Saturday, January 24, 2009, 10:05 AM



 

Not that I'm aware of... but hopefully one or more of our potential OTs may 
know of any recent discoveries
Best Wishes
 

In a message dated 1/24/2009 8:45:47 A.M. Central Standard Time, 
missl...@optonline.net writes:

  Any  blue 
  tooth device which is on/off voice activated.  Any 
  ideas?

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Re: [QUAD-L] Bluetooth

[DAANOO]

Someone was talking about a Bluetooth that would work with the computer,  
cell phone and landline phone. Are you having success with your earpiece? I am  
using a Plantronics eight hour but you have to push the phone unless she could  
train the phone somehow to answer, which I have not done yet. My phone keeps  
telling me it is too noisy.. I have a Sony Z 750a. I know Joan has figured 
out  how to do. I have never gotten an adapter from RadioShack. I need to take 
her  letter to RadioShack. My brother has my old computer with all my files .
 
I just got a Bluetooth for my cell phone. Now I know I need a new handset  
for earpiece for my computer. I'm still having problems with Dragon Vista  
working with AOL and other programs. I did figure out that my brother purchased 
 
the wrong naturally speaking. He ordered preferred instead of professional. Is  
anyone else having problems with commands and using Dragon? I probably am 
doing  something wrong.

Any suggestions from other Dragon wizards and the Vista  program. I get 
carried of mouse gridding all day long and moving the mouse with  my cursor. I 
know 
I am computer slow. The Lunis from the knowbrainer website  said I could 
train words on the professional version. XP works so much better  with Dragon. 
He 
suggested using Windows Mail, which I have not figured out how  to set up. I 
don't know the nation asking about what kind of server I have. I  have always 
used Yahoo and AOL.
 
It is frustrating to figure out. I had no luck with the Bush program on  
Vista.
 


Dana
 


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Re: [QUAD-L] Bluetooth

[wheelchair]

Not that I'm aware of... but hopefully one or more of our potential OTs may  
know of any recent discoveries
Best Wishes
 
 
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missl...@optonline.net writes:

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[QUAD-L] Bluetooth

[Elizabeth Treston]

Any  blue tooth device which is on/off voice activated.  Any ideas?