Re: [QUAD-L] UTI

[wheelchair]

Yes to your questions.  I hope the Uro is well informed with  Quads.  This 
is important.  If they or you have any questions, you can  contact Craig 
Hospital SCI Hotline for both medical and health issues.
 
Best Wishes
 
 
In a message dated 3/25/2016 5:47:11 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  
ronausti...@gmail.com writes:

 
My wife SCI C5 is back in  the hospital with AD very high BP and a UTI.

Her BP has been as high as  200/100 and as low as 60/30 in the same day.

Seems like  a UTI is a  common thread when things get acute.  Here is the 
question- is BP  problems a common symptom with SCI?  Is the UTI a major 
cause of  AD?

Has anyone tried a low dose  of antibiotic/daily as a preventive med?  What 
about a concentrated  cranberry tablet?

Thanks for any  help




--  

 
 
Living in God's Grace

Ron

Fwd: [QUAD-L] One More ?

[Larry Willis]

I usually charge when the meter is one-half or lower. Or when I have something 
planned for the next day.

Sent from my iPad

Begin forwarded message:

> Resent-From: quad-list@eskimo.com
> From: "nichole rohling" 
> Date: March 24, 2016 at 4:49:55 PM EDT
> To: 
> Subject: [QUAD-L] One More ?
> 
> If you have Group 24 Gel Cell batteries do you charge your chair every night 
> even if you barely use it or charge it once it gets low?
> I’ve been told both ways so I’m asking the experts J
>  
> Thank you
> Nicki

Re: [QUAD-L] One More ?

[Gmail]

I had wet batteries like those and I was helped into a friends house through 
the front door. When they tipped the chair back a bunch of Acid on their brand 
new carpet, right at the front door.
I hate when shit like that happens. Bobbie 

Smile Everyday

> On Mar 25, 2016, at 2:00 PM, Bryce Willis  wrote:
> 
> I remember my first power chair in 1979, an E&J that used wet cell batteries. 
> They would boil over and make an unreal mess. My battery box looked like a 
> glazed donut, acid everywhere. Had to buy new ones every year. The good 
> thing, they weren't too expensive… about $90 for a set. And my insurance paid 
> 90% of that. Have things ever changed!….
> 
> Sent from Windows Mail
> 
> From: Danny Hearn
> Sent: ‎Friday‎, ‎March‎ ‎25‎, ‎2016 ‎12‎:‎38‎ ‎PM
> To: Raymond Kelly, x quad-list
> 
> Well...some vendor is giving the wrong information...it can't be both 
> ways...let it run down then charge OR charge every night, I been in 
> powerchairs for over 18 years and all my vendors say charge mostly every 
> night...My batteries last 3 years and are still working but the vendors tell 
> me to get new ones by the time i get to 3years..i have never had a set of 
> my gel batteries go bad as of yet. dan**
> 
> 
> On Friday, March 25, 2016 10:48 AM, Raymond Kelly  wrote:
> 
> 
> I plug in my wheelchair whenever the display for the batteries shows that it 
> is getting rather low. My first wheelchair I got back in 1993 I plugged in 
> every night and was surprised when the batteries were junk after a year. The 
> wheelchair company said that it was because I was plugging in an every night. 
> Since then I have only plugged the wheelchair in when the batteries show they 
> are quite discharged. I have not had to replace batteries in any of my 
> wheelchairs before the wheelchair itself was replaced. I had the Invacare for 
> seven more years, then a Quickie for seven years, then a PerMobile for five 
> years. Now I am on this PerMobile for about a year and a half. The wheelchair 
> people think I am crazy when I tell them that, but that is the way it is. I 
> wait to plug the wheelchair in until the display shows that is basically 
> fully discharged. If I expect to be going a lot the next day I may plug it in 
> sooner. I am in the wheelchair every day for about 11 hours so it does get 
> used quite a bit.
> Happy Easter
> Ray
>  
> From: wheelch...@aol.com [mailto:wheelch...@aol.com] 
> Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2016 9:17 PM
> To: poaj...@sbcglobal.net; quad-list@eskimo.com
> Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] One More ?
>  
> Joan, its kinda like a light bulb.  They may shine bright for a long time, 
> but when the amps begin to fade, then pop, the bulb is gone forever.
> Happy Easter
>  
> Best Wishes
>  
>  
> In a message dated 3/24/2016 8:10:29 P.M. Central Daylight Time, 
> poaj...@sbcglobal.net writes:
> Holy cow!  I am lucky to get 18 months before they will not last a day.  I’m 
> in my chair usually 13-14 hours, and only 1/3 of that is usually what I call, 
> go mode where I am running around outside or out shopping.  The rest of the 
> time I’m usually just moving around in the house etc..  I wish they would 
> last that long.  Joan
>  
> From: Bryce Willis [mailto:lwillis82...@msn.com] 
> Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2016 5:50 PM
> To: quad-list@eskimo.com
> Subject: Fw: [QUAD-L] One More ?
>  
> Lol…. you are right, pretty amazing. Unfortunately, that is pretty much it 
> when it comes to my good luck
>  
> Sent from Windows Mail
>  
> From: wheelch...@aol.com
> Sent: ‎Thursday‎, ‎March‎ ‎24‎, ‎2016 ‎8‎:‎29‎ ‎PM
> To: Larry Willis, quad-list@eskimo.com
>  
> Original Batteries since 2008 ?  That is unheard of.  Go out and purchase a 
> lotto ticket. You are definitely LUCKY!
> Happy Easter!
>  
> Best Wishes
>  
> In a message dated 3/24/2016 6:29:56 P.M. Central Daylight Time, 
> lwillis82...@gmail.com writes:
> I also have an Arrow. Got it new in 2008. I charge it once or twice a week. 
> It still has the original batteries and they show no sign of weakening. I 
> charge it when the meter shows about half a tank.
>  
> Sent from Windows Mail
>  
> From: nichole rohling
> Sent: ‎Thursday‎, ‎March‎ ‎24‎, ‎2016 ‎6‎:‎55‎ ‎PM
> To: wheelch...@aol.com, quad-list@eskimo.com
>  
> Excellent advice! Lesson learned the hard way!
> Happy Easter!
>  
> From: wheelch...@aol.com [mailto:wheelch...@aol.com] 
> Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2016 5:25 PM
> To: zoocr...@windstream.net
> Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] One More ?
>  
> This is an after thought.   There are 4 major holidays each year.  
> ThanksGiving, Christmas, Easter and 4th of July.  When you have issues, have 
> your evaluations and repairs scheduled in between any holiday. CMS doesn't 
> pay for emergency and overtime to perform repairs.
> Hope this helps.
> Happy Easter.
> Best Wishes
>  
> In a message dated 3/24/2016 4:37:15 P.M. Central Daylight Time, 
> zoocr...@windstream.net writes:
> I have an Invacare Action Arrow Storm and only 1 port which is 

Re: [QUAD-L] UTI

[Quad Dude]

Dr. Ron,

BP problems are common with SCI, whether it be attributed to a UTI, bowel
issue, skin sore, and positioning (laying flat or sitting upright) to name
several. When I have a bad UTI, my BP typically plummets. I spent 5 days in
the hospital last month with a bad UTI that went septic and caused septic
shock and dropped my blood pressure dangerously low.

I have been on and off of prophylactic antibiotics for UTI prevention
during the 28 years of my injury. It's always a low dose (half or less the
usual) ranging from as often as daily to as little as twice a week
depending on the urologist (I've had 3 over the years). One thing each
urologist agreed on is if you opt for taking a prophylactic antibiotic, it
should be changed periodically, perhaps every 3, 6, or at least 12 months
to prevent your body from developing resistance to it.

I have periodically used cranberry tablets in various dosages throughout my
years of injury. I frankly have no idea whether they help or not. If they
are affordable for you they cannot hurt.

The absolute best things for UTI prevention are using good sterile/hygiene
practices and a routine schedule of catheter changes and irrigation if
applicable.

I hope this helps…

Steve - C4, 28 years

P.S. I'm not a doctor, but I have stayed at a Holiday Inn (if you remember
the commercials). :-)

On Fri, Mar 25, 2016 at 6:46 PM, Dr.Ron and Sharion Austin <
ronausti...@gmail.com> wrote:

> My wife SCI C5 is back in the hospital with AD very high BP and a UTI.
> Her BP has been as high as 200/100 and as low as 60/30 in the same day.
> Seems like  a UTI is a common thread when things get acute.  Here is the
> question- is BP problems a common symptom with SCI?  Is the UTI a major
> cause of AD?
> Has anyone tried a low dose of antibiotic/daily as a preventive med?  What
> about a concentrated cranberry tablet?
> Thanks for any help
>
>
> --
> Living in God's Grace
> Ron
>

Re: [QUAD-L] UTI

[Carolyn Boyles]

I know this works for kidney stones and it may help for UTIs.

I'll give you links to the webpages for the items you need. I'm not 
associated with any of the mentioned companies. I did this research many 
years ago for my husband who gets kidney stones.


1. The first item you'll need is the system in which to make the tea you 
are going to drink:


http://www.amazon.com/Mr-Coffee-2-Quart-Iced-Maker/dp/B5OTXI/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1458947166&sr=8-1&keywords=mr.+coffee+iced+tea

Buy this at any retailer of your choice that sells it. Also buy the 
filters that go into the basket. They're regular paper coffee filters.


2. The second item you will need is tea, but not Lipton or most anything 
sold in grocery stores because that type of tea causes kidney stones. 
What you need is Rooibos tea. Various companies sell this such as The 
Repubic of Tea, health food stores, etc. Buy whatever flavor you would 
like to drink (without caffeine).


3. The third item is the sweetener of your choice. I'm not a fan of 
artificial sweeteners, but go with what works for you.


4. Finally, the most important item in this is ground watermelon seeds:

http://heritagestore.com/watermelon-seeds-cut-4oz-food.html 



A few other companies sell them, but this is the cheapest I have found 
them. The packets of seeds need to be refrigerated after being opened, 
but they last forever.


Brew the tea according to the instruction and add about 1/4 cup of the 
seeds to the filter basket. You will need a lot of sweetener because the 
tea by itself is very bitter. This has saved my husband from lithotripsy 
many times and has cured a few UTIs over the years.


Carolyn

[QUAD-L] UTI

[Dr.Ron and Sharion Austin]

My wife SCI C5 is back in the hospital with AD very high BP and a UTI.
Her BP has been as high as 200/100 and as low as 60/30 in the same day.
Seems like  a UTI is a common thread when things get acute.  Here is the
question- is BP problems a common symptom with SCI?  Is the UTI a major
cause of AD?
Has anyone tried a low dose of antibiotic/daily as a preventive med?  What
about a concentrated cranberry tablet?
Thanks for any help


-- 
Living in God's Grace
Ron

[QUAD-L] Incomplete quads -- ability to gain strength?

[Gail Overton]

My husband is an incomplete C3 quad able to move every muscle except still weak 
after almost 1.5 years of therapy (started out at 6 hours per week and now up 
to 10 hours per week). People tell me ten hours of therapy per week is not 
enough, especially when they only work on one muscle group 15 minutes say 2 to 
3 times a week. Are there any “incomplete” quads out there with this type of 
experience and trying out therapy only to find they cannot get stronger? HELP!

Re: [QUAD-L] One More ?

[Lori Michaelson]

Ray's MO is mine as well.

Best,
~Lori

On Fri, Mar 25, 2016 at 9:48 AM, Raymond Kelly  wrote:

> I plug in my wheelchair whenever the display for the batteries shows that
> it is getting rather low. My first wheelchair I got back in 1993 I plugged
> in every night and was surprised when the batteries were junk after a year.
> The wheelchair company said that it was because I was plugging in an every
> night. Since then I have only plugged the wheelchair in when the batteries
> show they are quite discharged. I have not had to replace batteries in any
> of my wheelchairs before the wheelchair itself was replaced. I had the
> Invacare for seven more years, then a Quickie for seven years, then a
> PerMobile for five years. Now I am on this PerMobile for about a year and a
> half. The wheelchair people think I am crazy when I tell them that, but
> that is the way it is. I wait to plug the wheelchair in until the display
> shows that is basically fully discharged. If I expect to be going a lot the
> next day I may plug it in sooner. I am in the wheelchair every day for
> about 11 hours so it does get used quite a bit.
>
> Happy Easter
>
> Ray
>
>
>
> *From:* wheelch...@aol.com [mailto:wheelch...@aol.com]
> *Sent:* Thursday, March 24, 2016 9:17 PM
> *To:* poaj...@sbcglobal.net; quad-list@eskimo.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [QUAD-L] One More ?
>
>
>
> Joan, its kinda like a light bulb.  They may shine bright for a long time,
> but when the amps begin to fade, then pop, the bulb is gone forever.
>
> Happy Easter
>
>
>
> Best Wishes
>
>
>
>
>
> In a message dated 3/24/2016 8:10:29 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
> poaj...@sbcglobal.net writes:
>
> Holy cow!  I am lucky to get 18 months before they will not last a day.
> I’m in my chair usually 13-14 hours, and only 1/3 of that is usually what I
> call, go mode where I am running around outside or out shopping.  The rest
> of the time I’m usually just moving around in the house etc..  I wish they
> would last that long.  Joan
>
>
>
> *From:* Bryce Willis [mailto:lwillis82...@msn.com ]
> *Sent:* Thursday, March 24, 2016 5:50 PM
> *To:* quad-list@eskimo.com
> *Subject:* Fw: [QUAD-L] One More ?
>
>
>
> Lol…. you are right, pretty amazing. Unfortunately, that is pretty much it
> when it comes to my good luck
>
>
>
> Sent from Windows Mail
>
>
>
> *From:* wheelch...@aol.com
> *Sent:* ‎Thursday‎, ‎March‎ ‎24‎, ‎2016 ‎8‎:‎29‎ ‎PM
> *To:* Larry Willis , quad-list@eskimo.com
>
>
>
> Original Batteries since 2008 ?  That is unheard of.  Go out and purchase
> a lotto ticket. You are definitely LUCKY!
>
> Happy Easter!
>
>
>
> Best Wishes
>
>
>
> In a message dated 3/24/2016 6:29:56 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
> lwillis82...@gmail.com writes:
>
> I also have an Arrow. Got it new in 2008. I charge it once or twice a
> week. It still has the original batteries and they show no sign of
> weakening. I charge it when the meter shows about half a tank.
>
>
>
> Sent from Windows Mail
>
>
>
> *From:* nichole rohling 
> *Sent:* ‎Thursday‎, ‎March‎ ‎24‎, ‎2016 ‎6‎:‎55‎ ‎PM
> *To:* wheelch...@aol.com, quad-list@eskimo.com
>
>
>
> Excellent advice! Lesson learned the hard way!
>
> Happy Easter!
>
>
>
> *From:* wheelch...@aol.com [mailto:wheelch...@aol.com ]
>
> *Sent:* Thursday, March 24, 2016 5:25 PM
> *To:* zoocr...@windstream.net
> *Subject:* Re: [QUAD-L] One More ?
>
>
>
> This is an after thought.   There are 4 major holidays each year.
> ThanksGiving, Christmas, Easter and 4th of July.  When you have issues,
> have your evaluations and repairs scheduled in between any holiday. CMS
> doesn't pay for emergency and overtime to perform repairs.
>
> Hope this helps.
>
> Happy Easter.
>
> Best Wishes
>
>
>
> In a message dated 3/24/2016 4:37:15 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
> zoocr...@windstream.net writes:
>
> I have an Invacare Action Arrow Storm and only 1 port which is on the
> joystick. We never knew my charger shows empty battery, half charged and
> charged until last night (pathetic really, after almost 18 yrs you’d think
> I would know).
>
> Learned something new and think I will start charging every other day.
> Thank you!
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Quadius [mailto:quad...@gmail.com ]
> *Sent:* Thursday, March 24, 2016 4:19 PM
> *To:* Danny Hearn
> *Cc:* nichole rohling; quad-list@eskimo.com
> *Subject:* Re: [QUAD-L] One More ?
>
>
>
> I have heard all kinds of different answers. Me personally I charge my
> cheer every other day. Do you had another charge port?  What type of
> chair do you have? One thing I do is check to see if the chair is charging
> by turning my display on.
>
> On Thursday, March 24, 2016, Danny Hearn  wrote:
>
> They tell me to try and never let it get low and to charge every
> nightthey said waiting to charge it would weaken the batteries.  Dan
> H***
>
>
>
> On Thursday, March 24, 2016 3:50 PM, nichole rohling <
> zoocr...@windstream.net> wrote:
>
>
>
> If you have Group 24 Gel Cell batteries do you charge your chair every
> night even if you barely use it or charge 

RE: [QUAD-L] One More ?

[Danny Espinoza]

This was what they said for gel batteries specifically and is working great for my Permobil M300. Ever since I started doing what they suggested my batteries have never died. When I was charging only when my chair would get low my batteries stopped holding their charge and would die fast after a while. This is definaely working for me and my chair battery lasts me all day now and barely loses its charge.This is taken directly from my manual at http://www.permobilus.com/manuals/53.pdf page 82 of 112     "Owner ́s Manual Permobil M300Handling82 Battery ChargingThe amount of charge in your batteries depends on a number of factors, includ-ing the way you use your wheelchair, the temperature of the batteries, their age and the way they are made. These factors will affect the distance you can travel in your wheelchair between charging the batteries. All wheelchair batteries will gradually lose their capacity as they age.The most important factor that reduces the life of your batteries is the amount of charge you take from the batteries before you recharge them. Battery life is also reduced by the number of times you charge and discharge the batteries.To make your batteries last longer, do not allow them to become completelydischarged. Always recharge your batteries promptly after they are discharged.If your battery gauge reading seems to fall more quickly than usual, your batteries may be worn outCAUTION!If the batteries should be drained completely, it is important that you charge them up again as soon as possible since a complete loss of charge reduces the lifespan of the batteries." -Danny


 Original Message 
Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] One More ?
From: Danny Hearn 
Date: Fri, March 25, 2016 9:30 am
To: Raymond Kelly , x quad-list


Well...some vendor is giving the wrong information...it can't be both ways...let it run down then charge OR charge every night, I been in powerchairs for over 18 years and all my vendors say charge mostly every night...My batteries last 3 years and are still working but the vendors tell me to get new ones by the time i get to 3years..i have never had a set of my gel batteries go bad as of yet. dan** On Friday, March 25, 2016 10:48 AM, Raymond Kelly  wrote:  I plug in my wheelchair whenever the display for the batteries shows that it is getting rather low. My first wheelchair I got back in 1993 I plugged in every night and was surprised when the batteries were junk after a year. The wheelchair company said that it was because I was plugging in an every night. Since then I have only plugged the wheelchair in when the batteries show they are quite discharged. I have not had to replace batteries in any of my wheelchairs before the wheelchair itself was replaced. I had the Invacare for seven more years, then a Quickie for seven years, then a PerMobile for five years. Now I am on this PerMobile for about a year and a half. The wheelchair people think I am crazy when I tell them that, but that is the way it is. I wait to plug the wheelchair in until the display shows that is basically fully discharged. If I expect to be going a lot the next day I may plug it in sooner. I am in the wheelchair every day for about 11 hours so it does get used quite a bit.Happy EasterRay  From: wheelch...@aol.com [mailto:wheelch...@aol.com] Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2016 9:17 PMTo: poaj...@sbcglobal.net; quad-list@eskimo.comSubject: Re: [QUAD-L] One More ?  Joan, its kinda like a light bulb.  They may shine bright for a long time, but when the amps begin to fade, then pop, the bulb is gone forever.Happy Easter Best Wishes  In a message dated 3/24/2016 8:10:29 P.M. Central Daylight Time, poaj...@sbcglobal.net writes:Holy cow!  I am lucky to get 18 months before they will not last a day.  I’m in my chair usually 13-14 hours, and only 1/3 of that is usually what I call, go mode where I am running around outside or out shopping.  The rest of the time I’m usually just moving around in the house etc..  I wish they would last that long.  Joan   From: Bryce Willis [mailto:lwillis82...@msn.com] Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2016 5:50 PMTo: quad-list@eskimo.comSubject: Fw: [QUAD-L] One More ?  Lol…. you are right, pretty amazing. Unfortunately, that is pretty much it when it comes to my good luck  Sent from Windows Mail  From: wheelch...@aol.comSent: ‎Thursday‎, ‎March‎ ‎24‎, ‎2016 ‎8‎:‎29‎ ‎PMTo: Larry Willis, quad-list@eskimo.com  Original Batteries since 2008 ?  That is unheard of.  Go out and purchase a lotto ticket. You are definitely LUCKY!Happy Easter! Best Wishes In a message dated 3/24/2016 6:29:56 P.M. Central Daylight Time, lwillis82...@gmail.com writes:I also have an Arrow. Got it new in 2008. I charge it once or twice a week. It still has the original batteries and they show no sign of weakening. I charge it when the meter shows about half a tank.   Sent from Windows Mail  From: nichole rohli

Fw: [QUAD-L] One More ?

[Bryce Willis]

That is a great analogy. The difference in current and voltage is an important 
point as well.






Sent from Windows Mail





From: wheelch...@aol.com
Sent: ‎Friday‎, ‎March‎ ‎25‎, ‎2016 ‎9‎:‎59‎ ‎AM
To: Danny Espinoza, poaj...@sbcglobal.net, quad-list@eskimo.com





To every Rule, there are some exceptions.  I've read a couple stories here that 
exceeded the normal and that is good.  Since wheelchairs ARE medical devices, 
why risk one's mobility by exceeding the normal?  Always have a plan B or 
backup device.

 

When batteries, the energy inside the battery is the size of golf balls, with 
each overnight charge the size of the energy is reduced to the size of marbles, 
until each battery can hold almost 14 volts of energy.  As the battery ages... 
those marbles of energy reverse back to the size of golf balls.  The batteries 
will continue to hold 12 volts, but lose the ability to retain amperage.

 

Best Wishes

 


In a message dated 3/25/2016 1:23:27 A.M. Central Daylight Time, 
da...@immortaldesigns.co writes:


Ya I kept having my chair batteries die every so often but once I started 
plugging it in when I wasnt using it I havent had a problem. When I looked into 
it more I was told that the gel batteries start to form crystals if they sit 
while not being used or charged. 
-Danny




 Original Message 
Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] One More ?
From: wheelch...@aol.com
Date: Thu, March 24, 2016 6:16 pm
To: poaj...@sbcglobal.net, quad-list@eskimo.com


Joan, its kinda like a light bulb.  They may shine bright for a long time, but 
when the amps begin to fade, then pop, the bulb is gone forever.

Happy Easter

 

Best Wishes

 

 


In a message dated 3/24/2016 8:10:29 P.M. Central Daylight Time, 
poaj...@sbcglobal.net writes:



Holy cow!  I am lucky to get 18 months before they will not last a day.  I’m in 
my chair usually 13-14 hours, and only 1/3 of that is usually what I call, go 
mode where I am running around outside or out shopping.  The rest of the time 
I’m usually just moving around in the house etc..  I wish they would last that 
long.  Joan 

 



From: Bryce Willis [mailto:lwillis82...@msn.com] 
Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2016 5:50 PM
To: quad-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Fw: [QUAD-L] One More ?

 



Lol…. you are right, pretty amazing. Unfortunately, that is pretty much it when 
it comes to my good luck



 


Sent from Windows Mail


 



From: wheelch...@aol.com
Sent: ‎Thursday‎, ‎March‎ ‎24‎, ‎2016 ‎8‎:‎29‎ ‎PM
To: Larry Willis, quad-list@eskimo.com


 



Original Batteries since 2008 ?  That is unheard of.  Go out and purchase a 
lotto ticket. You are definitely LUCKY!


Happy Easter!


 


Best Wishes


 



In a message dated 3/24/2016 6:29:56 P.M. Central Daylight Time, 
lwillis82...@gmail.com writes:



I also have an Arrow. Got it new in 2008. I charge it once or twice a week. It 
still has the original batteries and they show no sign of weakening. I charge 
it when the meter shows about half a tank. 



 


Sent from Windows Mail


 



From: nichole rohling
Sent: ‎Thursday‎, ‎March‎ ‎24‎, ‎2016 ‎6‎:‎55‎ ‎PM
To: wheelch...@aol.com, quad-list@eskimo.com


 



Excellent advice! Lesson learned the hard way!

Happy Easter!

 



From: wheelch...@aol.com [mailto:wheelch...@aol.com] 
Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2016 5:25 PM
To: zoocr...@windstream.net
Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] One More ?

 


This is an after thought.   There are 4 major holidays each year.  
ThanksGiving, Christmas, Easter and 4th of July.  When you have issues, have 
your evaluations and repairs scheduled in between any holiday. CMS doesn't pay 
for emergency and overtime to perform repairs.


Hope this helps.


Happy Easter.


Best Wishes


 



In a message dated 3/24/2016 4:37:15 P.M. Central Daylight Time, 
zoocr...@windstream.net writes:



I have an Invacare Action Arrow Storm and only 1 port which is on the joystick. 
We never knew my charger shows empty battery, half charged and charged until 
last night (pathetic really, after almost 18 yrs you’d think I would know). 

Learned something new and think I will start charging every other day. Thank 
you!

 

 

 


From: Quadius [mailto:quad...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2016 4:19 PM
To: Danny Hearn
Cc: nichole rohling; quad-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] One More ?

 

I have heard all kinds of different answers. Me personally I charge my cheer 
every other day. Do you had another charge port?  What type of chair do you 
have? One thing I do is check to see if the chair is charging by turning my 
display on.

On Thursday, March 24, 2016, Danny Hearn  wrote:




They tell me to try and never let it get low and to charge every nightthey 
said waiting to charge it would weaken the batteries.  Dan H***


 





On Thursday, March 24, 2016 3:50 PM, nichole rohling  
wrote:

 






If you have Group 24 Gel Cell batteries do you charge your chair every night 
even if you barely use it or charge it once it gets low?


I’ve been told bot

Fw: [QUAD-L] One More ?

[Bryce Willis]

I remember my first power chair in 1979, an E&J that used wet cell batteries. 
They would boil over and make an unreal mess. My battery box looked like a 
glazed donut, acid everywhere. Had to buy new ones every year. The good thing, 
they weren't too expensive… about $90 for a set. And my insurance paid 90% of 
that. Have things ever changed!….






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From: Danny Hearn
Sent: ‎Friday‎, ‎March‎ ‎25‎, ‎2016 ‎12‎:‎38‎ ‎PM
To: Raymond Kelly, x quad-list






Well...some vendor is giving the wrong information...it can't be both 
ways...let it run down then charge OR charge every night, I been in powerchairs 
for over 18 years and all my vendors say charge mostly every night...My 
batteries last 3 years and are still working but the vendors tell me to get new 
ones by the time i get to 3years..i have never had a set of my gel 
batteries go bad as of yet. dan**








On Friday, March 25, 2016 10:48 AM, Raymond Kelly  wrote:








I plug in my wheelchair whenever the display for the batteries shows that it is 
getting rather low. My first wheelchair I got back in 1993 I plugged in every 
night and was surprised when the batteries were junk after a year. The 
wheelchair company said that it was because I was plugging in an every night. 
Since then I have only plugged the wheelchair in when the batteries show they 
are quite discharged. I have not had to replace batteries in any of my 
wheelchairs before the wheelchair itself was replaced. I had the Invacare for 
seven more years, then a Quickie for seven years, then a PerMobile for five 
years. Now I am on this PerMobile for about a year and a half. The wheelchair 
people think I am crazy when I tell them that, but that is the way it is. I 
wait to plug the wheelchair in until the display shows that is basically fully 
discharged. If I expect to be going a lot the next day I may plug it in sooner. 
I am in the wheelchair every day for about 11 hours so it does get used quite a 
bit.

Happy Easter

Ray

 




From: wheelch...@aol.com [mailto:wheelch...@aol.com] 
Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2016 9:17 PM
To: poaj...@sbcglobal.net; quad-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] One More ?

 


Joan, its kinda like a light bulb.  They may shine bright for a long time, but 
when the amps begin to fade, then pop, the bulb is gone forever.


Happy Easter


 


Best Wishes


 


 




In a message dated 3/24/2016 8:10:29 P.M. Central Daylight Time, 
poaj...@sbcglobal.net writes:




Holy cow!  I am lucky to get 18 months before they will not last a day.  I’m in 
my chair usually 13-14 hours, and only 1/3 of that is usually what I call, go 
mode where I am running around outside or out shopping.  The rest of the time 
I’m usually just moving around in the house etc..  I wish they would last that 
long.  Joan 

 



From: Bryce Willis [mailto:lwillis82...@msn.com] 
Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2016 5:50 PM
To: quad-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Fw: [QUAD-L] One More ?

 




Lol…. you are right, pretty amazing. Unfortunately, that is pretty much it when 
it comes to my good luck



 


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From: wheelch...@aol.com
Sent: ‎Thursday‎, ‎March‎ ‎24‎, ‎2016 ‎8‎:‎29‎ ‎PM
To: Larry Willis, quad-list@eskimo.com


 




Original Batteries since 2008 ?  That is unheard of.  Go out and purchase a 
lotto ticket. You are definitely LUCKY!


Happy Easter!


 


Best Wishes


 




In a message dated 3/24/2016 6:29:56 P.M. Central Daylight Time, 
lwillis82...@gmail.com writes:




I also have an Arrow. Got it new in 2008. I charge it once or twice a week. It 
still has the original batteries and they show no sign of weakening. I charge 
it when the meter shows about half a tank. 



 


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From: nichole rohling
Sent: ‎Thursday‎, ‎March‎ ‎24‎, ‎2016 ‎6‎:‎55‎ ‎PM
To: wheelch...@aol.com, quad-list@eskimo.com


 




Excellent advice! Lesson learned the hard way!

Happy Easter!

 



From: wheelch...@aol.com [mailto:wheelch...@aol.com] 
Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2016 5:25 PM
To: zoocr...@windstream.net
Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] One More ?

 


This is an after thought.   There are 4 major holidays each year.  
ThanksGiving, Christmas, Easter and 4th of July.  When you have issues, have 
your evaluations and repairs scheduled in between any holiday. CMS doesn't pay 
for emergency and overtime to perform repairs.


Hope this helps.


Happy Easter.


Best Wishes


 




In a message dated 3/24/2016 4:37:15 P.M. Central Daylight Time, 
zoocr...@windstream.net writes:




I have an Invacare Action Arrow Storm and only 1 port which is on the joystick. 
We never knew my charger shows empty battery, half charged and charged until 
last night (pathetic really, after almost 18 yrs you’d think I would know). 

Learned something new and think I will start charging every other day. Thank 
you!

 

 

 


From: Quadius [mailto:quad...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2016 4:19 PM
To: Danny Hearn
Cc: nichole rohling; quad-list@eski

Re: [QUAD-L] One More ?

[Danny Hearn]

Well...some vendor is giving the wrong information...it can't be both 
ways...let it run down then charge OR charge every night, I been in powerchairs 
for over 18 years and all my vendors say charge mostly every night...My 
batteries last 3 years and are still working but the vendors tell me to get new 
ones by the time i get to 3years..i have never had a set of my gel 
batteries go bad as of yet. dan** 

On Friday, March 25, 2016 10:48 AM, Raymond Kelly  
wrote:
 

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{}#yiv7069956161 I plug in my wheelchair whenever the display for the batteries 
shows that it is getting rather low. My first wheelchair I got back in 1993 I 
plugged in every night and was surprised when the batteries were junk after a 
year. The wheelchair company said that it was because I was plugging in an 
every night. Since then I have only plugged the wheelchair in when the 
batteries show they are quite discharged. I have not had to replace batteries 
in any of my wheelchairs before the wheelchair itself was replaced. I had the 
Invacare for seven more years, then a Quickie for seven years, then a PerMobile 
for five years. Now I am on this PerMobile for about a year and a half. The 
wheelchair people think I am crazy when I tell them that, but that is the way 
it is. I wait to plug the wheelchair in until the display shows that is 
basically fully discharged. If I expect to be going a lot the next day I may 
plug it in sooner. I am in the wheelchair every day for about 11 hours so it 
does get used quite a bit.Happy EasterRay  From: wheelch...@aol.com 
[mailto:wheelch...@aol.com] 
Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2016 9:17 PM
To: poaj...@sbcglobal.net; quad-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] One More ?  Joan, its kinda like a light bulb.  They may 
shine bright for a long time, but when the amps begin to fade, then pop, the 
bulb is gone forever.Happy Easter Best Wishes  In a message dated 3/24/2016 
8:10:29 P.M. Central Daylight Time, poaj...@sbcglobal.net writes:
Holy cow!  I am lucky to get 18 months before they will not last a day.  I’m in 
my chair usually 13-14 hours, and only 1/3 of that is usually what I call, go 
mode where I am running around outside or out shopping.  The rest of the time 
I’m usually just moving around in the house etc..  I wish they would last that 
long.  Joan   From: Bryce Willis [mailto:lwillis82...@msn.com] 
Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2016 5:50 PM
To: quad-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Fw: [QUAD-L] One More ?  Lol…. you are right, pretty amazing. 
Unfortunately, that is pretty much it when it comes to my good luck  Sent from 
Windows Mail  From: wheelch...@aol.com
Sent: ‎Thursday‎, ‎March‎ ‎24‎, ‎2016 ‎8‎:‎29‎ ‎PM
To: Larry Willis, quad-list@eskimo.com  Original Batteries since 2008 ?  That 
is unheard of.  Go out and purchase a lotto ticket. You are definitely 
LUCKY!Happy Easter! Best Wishes In a message dated 3/24/2016 6:29:56 P.M. 
Central Daylight Time, lwillis82...@gmail.com writes:
I also have an Arrow. Got it new in 2008. I charge it once or twice a week. It 
still has the original batteries and they show no sign of weakening. I charge 
it when the meter shows about half a tank.   Sent from Windows Mail  From: 
nichole rohling
Sent: ‎Thursday‎, ‎March‎ ‎24‎, ‎2016 ‎6‎:‎55‎ ‎PM
To: wheelch...@aol.com, quad-list@eskimo.com  Excellent advice! Lesson learned 
the hard way!Happy Easter! From: wheelch...@aol.com [mailto:wheelch...@aol.com] 
Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2016 5:25 PM
To: zoocr...@windstream.net
Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] One More ? This is an after thought.   There are 4 major 
holidays each year.  ThanksGiving, Christmas, Easter and 4th of July.  When you 
have issues, have your evaluation

[QUAD-L] One More ?

[Raymond Kelly]

I plug in my wheelchair whenever the display for the batteries shows that it is 
getting rather low. My first wheelchair I got back in 1993 I plugged in every 
night and was surprised when the batteries were junk after a year. The 
wheelchair company said that it was because I was plugging in an every night. 
Since then I have only plugged the wheelchair in when the batteries show they 
are quite discharged. I have not had to replace batteries in any of my 
wheelchairs before the wheelchair itself was replaced. I had the Invacare for 
seven more years, then a Quickie for seven years, then a PerMobile for five 
years. Now I am on this PerMobile for about a year and a half. The wheelchair 
people think I am crazy when I tell them that, but that is the way it is. I 
wait to plug the wheelchair in until the display shows that is basically fully 
discharged. If I expect to be going a lot the next day I may plug it in sooner. 
I am in the wheelchair every day for about 11 hours so it does get used quite a 
bit.

Happy Easter

Ray

 

From: wheelch...@aol.com [mailto:wheelch...@aol.com] 
Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2016 9:17 PM
To: poaj...@sbcglobal.net; quad-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] One More ?

 

Joan, its kinda like a light bulb.  They may shine bright for a long time, but 
when the amps begin to fade, then pop, the bulb is gone forever.

Happy Easter

 

Best Wishes

 

 

In a message dated 3/24/2016 8:10:29 P.M. Central Daylight Time, 
poaj...@sbcglobal.net writes:

Holy cow!  I am lucky to get 18 months before they will not last a day.  I’m in 
my chair usually 13-14 hours, and only 1/3 of that is usually what I call, go 
mode where I am running around outside or out shopping.  The rest of the time 
I’m usually just moving around in the house etc..  I wish they would last that 
long.  Joan 

 

From: Bryce Willis [mailto:lwillis82...@msn.com] 
Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2016 5:50 PM
To: quad-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Fw: [QUAD-L] One More ?

 

Lol…. you are right, pretty amazing. Unfortunately, that is pretty much it when 
it comes to my good luck

 

Sent from Windows Mail

 

From: wheelch...@aol.com
Sent: ‎Thursday‎, ‎March‎ ‎24‎, ‎2016 ‎8‎:‎29‎ ‎PM
To: Larry Willis  , quad-list@eskimo.com

 

Original Batteries since 2008 ?  That is unheard of.  Go out and purchase a 
lotto ticket. You are definitely LUCKY!

Happy Easter!

 

Best Wishes

 

In a message dated 3/24/2016 6:29:56 P.M. Central Daylight Time, 
lwillis82...@gmail.com writes:

I also have an Arrow. Got it new in 2008. I charge it once or twice a week. It 
still has the original batteries and they show no sign of weakening. I charge 
it when the meter shows about half a tank. 

 

Sent from Windows Mail

 

From: nichole rohling  
Sent: ‎Thursday‎, ‎March‎ ‎24‎, ‎2016 ‎6‎:‎55‎ ‎PM
To: wheelch...@aol.com, quad-list@eskimo.com

 

Excellent advice! Lesson learned the hard way!

Happy Easter!

 

From: wheelch...@aol.com [mailto:wheelch...@aol.com] 
Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2016 5:25 PM
To: zoocr...@windstream.net
Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] One More ?

 

This is an after thought.   There are 4 major holidays each year.  
ThanksGiving, Christmas, Easter and 4th of July.  When you have issues, have 
your evaluations and repairs scheduled in between any holiday. CMS doesn't pay 
for emergency and overtime to perform repairs.

Hope this helps.

Happy Easter.

Best Wishes

 

In a message dated 3/24/2016 4:37:15 P.M. Central Daylight Time, 
zoocr...@windstream.net writes:

I have an Invacare Action Arrow Storm and only 1 port which is on the joystick. 
We never knew my charger shows empty battery, half charged and charged until 
last night (pathetic really, after almost 18 yrs you’d think I would know). 

Learned something new and think I will start charging every other day. Thank 
you!

 

 

 

From: Quadius [mailto:quad...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2016 4:19 PM
To: Danny Hearn
Cc: nichole rohling; quad-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] One More ?

 

I have heard all kinds of different answers. Me personally I charge my cheer 
every other day. Do you had another charge port?  What type of chair do you 
have? One thing I do is check to see if the chair is charging by turning my 
display on.

On Thursday, March 24, 2016, Danny Hearn  wrote:

They tell me to try and never let it get low and to charge every nightthey 
said waiting to charge it would weaken the batteries.  Dan H***

 

On Thursday, March 24, 2016 3:50 PM, nichole rohling  
wrote:

 

If you have Group 24 Gel Cell batteries do you charge your chair every night 
even if you barely use it or charge it once it gets low?

I’ve been told both ways so I’m asking the experts J

 

Thank you

Nicki

 

Re: [QUAD-L] One More ?

[wheelchair]

To every Rule, there are some exceptions.  I've read a couple stories  here 
that exceeded the normal and that is good.  Since wheelchairs ARE  medical 
devices, why risk one's mobility by exceeding the normal?  Always  have a 
plan B or backup device.
 
When batteries, the energy inside the battery is the size of golf balls,  
with each overnight charge the size of the energy is reduced to the size of  
marbles, until each battery can hold almost 14 volts of energy.  As the  
battery ages... those marbles of energy reverse back to the size of golf  
balls.  The batteries will continue to hold 12 volts, but lose the ability  to 
retain amperage.
 
Best Wishes
 
 
In a message dated 3/25/2016 1:23:27 A.M. Central Daylight Time,  
da...@immortaldesigns.co writes:

Ya I kept having my chair batteries die every so often but once I started  
plugging it in when I wasnt using it I havent had a problem. When I looked  
into it more I was told that the gel batteries start to form crystals if 
they  sit while not being used or charged. 
-Danny



 Original Message 
Subject: Re:  [QUAD-L] One More ?
From: _wheelchair@aol.com_ (mailto:wheelch...@aol.com) 
Date: Thu, March  24, 2016 6:16 pm
To: _poajoan@sbcglobal.net_ (mailto:poaj...@sbcglobal.net) , 
_quad-list@eskimo.com_ (mailto:quad-list@eskimo.com) 

Joan, its kinda like a light bulb.  They may shine bright for a  long time, 
but when the amps begin to fade, then pop, the bulb is gone  forever.
Happy Easter
 
Best Wishes
 
 
 
In a message dated 3/24/2016 8:10:29 P.M. Central Daylight Time, 
_poajoan@sbcglobal.net_ (mailto:poaj...@sbcglobal.net)  writes:

 
Holy  cow!  I am lucky to get 18 months before they will not last a  day.  I
’m in my chair usually 13-14 hours, and only 1/3 of that is  usually what I 
call, go mode where I am running around outside or out  shopping.  The rest 
of the time I’m usually just moving around in the  house etc..  I wish they 
would last that long.  Joan  

 
 
From: Bryce Willis  [mailto:lwillis82...@msn.com]  
Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2016 5:50 PM
To: _quad-list@eskimo.com_ (mailto:quad-list@eskimo.com) 
Subject:  Fw: [QUAD-L] One More ?


 
 
 
Lol…. you are right, pretty  amazing. Unfortunately, that is pretty much it 
when it comes to my good  luck

 
 


 
Sent from Windows  Mail

 



 
 
From: _wheelchair@aol.com_ (mailto:wheelch...@aol.com) 
Sent: ‎Thursday‎, ‎March‎  ‎24‎, ‎2016 ‎8‎:‎29‎ ‎PM
To: _Larry Willis_ (mailto:lwillis82...@gmail.com) , _quad-list@eskimo.com_ 
(mailto:quad-list@eskimo.com) 


 


 
 
Original  Batteries since 2008 ?  That is unheard of.  Go out and purchase  
a lotto ticket. You are definitely LUCKY!

 
Happy  Easter!

 


 
Best  Wishes

 


 
 
In  a message dated 3/24/2016 6:29:56 P.M. Central Daylight Time, 
_lwillis82153@gmail.com_ (mailto:lwillis82...@gmail.com)   writes:


 
I  also have an Arrow. Got it new in 2008. I charge it once or twice a  
week. It still has the original batteries and they show no sign of  weakening. 
I charge it when the meter shows about half a tank.  

 
 


 
Sent  from Windows Mail

 



 
 
From: _nichole  rohling_ (mailto:zoocr...@windstream.net) 
Sent: ‎Thursday‎, ‎March‎ ‎24‎, ‎2016  ‎6‎:‎55‎ ‎PM
To: _wheelchair@aol.com_ (mailto:wheelch...@aol.com) , 
_quad-list@eskimo.com_ (mailto:quad-list@eskimo.com) 


 


 
 
Excellent  advice! Lesson learned the hard way!
Happy  Easter!
 
 
 
From:  _wheelchair@aol.com_ (mailto:wheelch...@aol.com)  
[mailto:wheelch...@aol.com] 
Sent:  Thursday, March 24, 2016 5:25 PM
To: _zoocrew1@windstream.net_ (mailto:zoocr...@windstream.net) 
Subject: Re: [QUAD-L]  One More ?


 
 
This  is an after thought.   There are 4 major holidays each  year.  
ThanksGiving, Christmas, Easter and 4th of July.  When  you have issues, have 
your 
evaluations and repairs scheduled in between  any holiday. CMS doesn't pay 
for emergency and overtime to perform  repairs.

 
Hope  this helps.

 
Happy  Easter.

 
Best  Wishes

 


 
 
In  a message dated 3/24/2016 4:37:15 P.M. Central Daylight Time, 
_zoocrew1@windstream.net_ (mailto:zoocr...@windstream.net)  writes:


 
I  have an Invacare Action Arrow Storm and only 1 port which is on the  
joystick. We never knew my charger shows empty battery, half charged  and 
charged until last night (pathetic really, after almost 18 yrs  you’d think I 
would know). 
Learned  something new and think I will start charging every other day. 
Thank  you!
 
 
 
 
From:  Quadius [mailto:quad...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday,  March 24, 2016 4:19 PM
To: Danny Hearn
Cc: nichole  rohling; _quad-list@eskimo.com_ (mailto:quad-list@eskimo.com) 
Subject: Re: [QUAD-L]  One More ?

 
I have heard all kinds of different answers. Me  personally I charge my 
cheer every other day. Do you had another  charge port?  What type of chair do 
you have? One thing I do  is check to see if the chair is charging by 
turning my display  on.

On Thursday, March 24, 2016, Danny Hearn <_ddh247@sbcglobal.net_ 
(mailto:ddh...@s