Re: [QUAD-L] New Chair ?
Why not call Invacare directly and get the story from them. Tell them what you want and why you want to. Let them pull while you are pushing. BTW, who's the customer anyway? Customer, is always right. Call Medicare/Medicaid in your state and let them know what the provider is doing to you. Best Wishes In a message dated 7/19/2017 1:58:56 P.M. Central Daylight Time, zoocr...@windstream.net writes: Below is a previous message I sent the quadlist. I decided this morning I don’t even want to demo any chairs. The DME vendor is having problem getting two footrests instead of the platform plate for all 3 chairs. I’ve been in an Invacare Action Arrow Storm for 19 years. They no longer make this chair but the Torque 3 is the same chair, different motor. I called vendor to tell them to order the Invacare but they told me we have to provide reasons why the other chairs won’t work before the FDA will sign off on it (since Invacare is currently under Consent Decree with FDA). So they still want me to demo chairs and come up with reasons they won’t work. I am so frustrated. I know one deal breaker is the armrests because I have a bag that we attach to a particular spot on my armrest and I put my leg bag in it so it is hidden. Their suggestion is to put in on front of seat pan. That won’t work, not even gonna try it, what’s not broke doesn’t need fixed. Also, I believe by having the same base I won’t have to move e-z locks in the floor of my van where as if the other bases are different not only will I have to pay to have bolt added to chair but the expense of moving the bases. Anyone else want to help me come up with reasons why other chairs won’t work? My rear is the one that sits in it so why can’t I just pick what I freaking want? Nicki I’m getting my 3rd chair in 19 years. I have had the Invacare Action Arrow Storm for all 19 years. Invacare got in trouble with the FDA and are under a consent decree with them. My DME is really trying to steer me away from getting an Invacare chair. It would be a Torque 3. I am suppose to be testing it as well as a Permobil C350 and a Quantum Rival. The provider brought out the Quantum on Friday and it has a plate footrest (I have always had 2 footrest which allows me to straddle table posts at restaurants) I don’t even think my feet would stay on a center mounted foot plate. They were suppose to bring the Invacare first and the employee agreed he didn’t think my feet would stay on the plate. He even told me that the motors in the Rival go out but I didn’t hear that from him. The DME supplier is trying to get footrests for the demo chairs but said they can only get 1 side for the Invacare. Would love input on any of these chairs.
Re: [QUAD-L] New Chair ?
You know how when someone is in a car accident they often claim a neck injury, which is nondescript and difficult to pinpoint. You just have trouble sitting up all day in those chairs. You don't understand why, but it hurts and you have to go back to bed. Only the Invacare seems to allow for your sitting up all day. From: Nichole Rohling To: quad-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2017 11:58 AM Subject: [QUAD-L] New Chair ? Below is a previous message I sent the quadlist. I decided this morning I don’t even want to demo any chairs. The DME vendor is having problem getting two footrests instead of the platform plate for all 3 chairs. I’ve been in an Invacare Action Arrow Storm for 19 years. They no longer make this chair but the Torque 3 is the same chair, different motor. I called vendor to tell them to order the Invacare but they told me we have to provide reasons why the other chairs won’t work before the FDA will sign off on it (since Invacare is currently under Consent Decree with FDA). So they still want me to demo chairs and come up with reasons they won’t work. I am so frustrated. I know one deal breaker is the armrests because I have a bag that we attach to a particular spot on my armrest and I put my leg bag in it so it is hidden. Their suggestion is to put in on front of seat pan. That won’t work, not even gonna try it, what’s not broke doesn’t need fixed. Also, I believe by having the same base I won’t have to move e-z locks in the floor of my van where as if the other bases are different not only will I have to pay to have bolt added to chair but the expense of moving the bases. Anyone else want to help me come up with reasons why other chairs won’t work? My rear is the one that sits in it so why can’t I just pick what I freaking want? Nicki I’m getting my 3rd chair in 19 years. I have had the Invacare Action Arrow Storm for all 19 years. Invacare got in trouble with the FDA and are under a consent decree with them. My DME is really trying to steer me away from getting an Invacare chair. It would be a Torque 3. I am suppose to be testing it as well as a Permobil C350 and a Quantum Rival. The provider brought out the Quantum on Friday and it has a plate footrest (I have always had 2 footrest which allows me to straddle table posts at restaurants) I don’t even think my feet would stay on a center mounted foot plate. They were suppose to bring the Invacare first and the employee agreed he didn’t think my feet would stay on the plate. He even told me that the motors in the Rival go out but I didn’t hear that from him. The DME supplier is trying to get footrests for the demo chairs but said they can only get 1 side for the Invacare. Would love input on any of these chairs.
[QUAD-L] New Chair ?
Below is a previous message I sent the quadlist. I decided this morning I don't even want to demo any chairs. The DME vendor is having problem getting two footrests instead of the platform plate for all 3 chairs. I've been in an Invacare Action Arrow Storm for 19 years. They no longer make this chair but the Torque 3 is the same chair, different motor. I called vendor to tell them to order the Invacare but they told me we have to provide reasons why the other chairs won't work before the FDA will sign off on it (since Invacare is currently under Consent Decree with FDA). So they still want me to demo chairs and come up with reasons they won't work. I am so frustrated. I know one deal breaker is the armrests because I have a bag that we attach to a particular spot on my armrest and I put my leg bag in it so it is hidden. Their suggestion is to put in on front of seat pan. That won't work, not even gonna try it, what's not broke doesn't need fixed. Also, I believe by having the same base I won't have to move e-z locks in the floor of my van where as if the other bases are different not only will I have to pay to have bolt added to chair but the expense of moving the bases. Anyone else want to help me come up with reasons why other chairs won't work? My rear is the one that sits in it so why can't I just pick what I freaking want? Nicki I'm getting my 3rd chair in 19 years. I have had the Invacare Action Arrow Storm for all 19 years. Invacare got in trouble with the FDA and are under a consent decree with them. My DME is really trying to steer me away from getting an Invacare chair. It would be a Torque 3. I am suppose to be testing it as well as a Permobil C350 and a Quantum Rival. The provider brought out the Quantum on Friday and it has a plate footrest (I have always had 2 footrest which allows me to straddle table posts at restaurants) I don't even think my feet would stay on a center mounted foot plate. They were suppose to bring the Invacare first and the employee agreed he didn't think my feet would stay on the plate. He even told me that the motors in the Rival go out but I didn't hear that from him. The DME supplier is trying to get footrests for the demo chairs but said they can only get 1 side for the Invacare. Would love input on any of these chairs.
Re: [QUAD-L] Battery
If I may. If this issue was an automobile, a dealer would hook up the auto to a computer to analyze the issue. Electric wheelchairs users and dealers don't have that issue. But each chair has a control module that directs energy to each motor, from the energy of the combined batteries, using the joystick as the guide. Motors, and Magnets Brakes, are the biggest users of energy on a wheelchair, so each motor and magnetic brake assembly must be tested before and during the operation of the chair to determine the high energy draw, rather than just replacing the batteries and joystick. I hope this helps. Best Wishes In a message dated 7/18/2017 10:16:08 P.M. Central Daylight Time, g...@eskimo.com writes: My chair is possessed. I had battery issues, so changed, twice. Still was getting about 5 blocks a charge. They tried getting a new joystick, but couldn't, to old. They were going to replace entire electronics, but then I would not be eligible for a new chair. I found a joystick on Ebay. It seemed to fix it. But after a few weeks, its weird again. My charger works, tried 2 to be sure. But some days it charges full, some days none. Charged 2 nights not going anywhere, still only shows 1 bar. Now when I drive, it will just jerk, stop cold, joystick flash “ Recharge”. I drive a bit more, same thing. Does it when it says full or empty. Its like a loose wire, but if loose, it would die, go black. Sometimes it feels like the electric breaks are one while driving. I put in mode 2, slow speed and it didn't seem to jerk stop as much. Any ideas? Hoping to gwt new chair soon, Greg
