Re: [QUAD-L] i'm so depressed i could throw up
In a message dated 18/07/2005 12:44:02 GMT Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Does anyone know the medical facts behind what these drugs do? I'vebeen curious to know what imbalance these drugs put back in balance. -Original Message-From: William Willis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2005 2:17 PMTo: quad-list@eskimo.comSubject: FW: RE: [QUAD-L] i'm so depressed i could throw upAs I have grown older depression seems to descend on me morefrequently. Two years ago my father died and I couldn't go through the day withouttwo or three cryings jags. My doc finally gave me zoloft and it hashelped tremendously. I believe in getting help anywhere I can find it.>From: "Stuntman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>>To: "Ol' Man River" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Approval Department ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, quad-list@eskimo.com>Subject: RE: [QUAD-L] i'm so depressed i could throw up>Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 20:37:18 -0500>>Some people need help out of their mental state.>A comforting word is too much to ask?>While I can take almost anything thrown at ME, I realize there are lots>of people who can't.>Some of us have been tempered by conditioning which took place before >our disability, others are not as lucky.>Clincaly there are 3 major souces (causes) of depression, Medical >(chemical or hormonal), Physcological, and despair.>Only despair can be influenced by friends and the lack of them >(imagined or real) can be devastating.>Sometimes listening can be all the medicine required.>(that's what shrinks do)>Stunt>> >> > "Trust me, none of us on this list are so underprivileged as to have>any real issues to be depressed over for an extended period of time."> >> > that's your diagnostic phrase that is incredibly shallow. it's like>you think you know everyone's situation and on top of that, you write >off depression as a non-real ailment. or at least that no quad here on >a vent, completely immobile has any right to be depressed. you think >depresasion is linked to the underpriviledged? do you remember freddy >prinze or curt cobain blowing their brains out? i wouldn't consider >them underprivilidged - but i WOULD class them as severely depressed.>blanket ALL and NEVER statements are very foolish to blurt out. they >can also be very hurtfull to some. your psycho-diagnosis is not why we>are here.> > dave> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Aaron Mann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:> > How do you compare a ridiculous statement like what Carol said w/>what I said?!? I assume that you have a "deeper" more meaningful >response? I was just trying to convey that our often self diagnosed >depression is merely the lack of knowing what is possible to do in life>anymore. None of us here are professionals, that I know of, so >anything that is said is just an opinion and a way that each of us >deals with things.> >> > I apologize if it was a shallow opinion, but I don't believe that>dwelling on the negative can bring about positive results. Who would >Bobbie miss? Maybe the diverse and sometimes ridiculous discussions on>this group? I don't know. But, the best way I know to help someone >who's depressed is to not focus on their depression. Get them involved>in something, get them pissed enough about something that they want to >do something, whatever works to get the person back into the life that >surrounds us all.> >> > You may or may not ever take me serious again, but that is for you > > to>decide. I care what people think and would like to know how you came >to your conclusions about my comments below.> > You can find out about different drugs by typing the name of the drug then doing a search. It comes up with loads of sites with information on it Love Smurf xxx
[QUAD-L] I'm so depressed i could throw up
Hey Luke, That friendly advise came from a very smart, and wise lady, who has been there and done that. Her children have been raised and are now educators themselves. Consider her advise. Its very credible. Best Wishes W In a message dated 8/1/05 11:09:48 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << Hey Luke, I think we have all been there. My suggestion to you is to go away to college, live on campus. You will have a new group of friends, ones that will stay for the rest of your life. Good luck with whatever you do. Lindaf i know you're right. but i have accepted my situation for what it is, as of now. thanks for the kind words. luke >>
Re: [QUAD-L] i'm so depressed i could throw up
In a message dated 8/1/2005 7:34:22 AM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hey Luke, I think we have all been there. My suggestion to you is to go away to college, live on campus. You will have a new group of friends, ones that will stay for the rest of your life. Good luck with whatever you do. Lindaf i know you're right. but i have accepted my situation for what it is, as of now. thanks for the kind words. luke
Re: [QUAD-L] i'm so depressed i could throw up
In a message dated 7/18/2005 5:44:02 AM Mountain Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Does anyone know the medical facts behind what these drugs do? I'vebeen curious to know what imbalance these drugs put back in balance. Here is an article from WEBmd which may help. Pat http://my.webmd.com/content/article/87/99352.htm
Re: [QUAD-L] i'm so depressed i could throw up
Dam good advice Chet, the best post ive read in awhile! Silas c3-c4 - Original Message - From: Chet Smith To: Quad_List Sent: Friday, July 22, 2005 11:13 AM Subject: [QUAD-L] i'm so depressed i could throw up What to say anymore about being depressed about stuff that doesn't seemed to help with your self asteam or your mind for that matter. We as Quads or Para's have to set standards for the people that are walking as we were at one time, that we are the toughest minded, spirited, let alone craziest people God ever chose for us to Live our Lives sitting down and having help people have a job helping us Live. We are Blessed that we not only survived our ordeal of each of our accidents we had, but we help Doctor's have money with our UTI's we have, Pharmicists who can fill more subscriptions we need for our muscle spazms and all other medications we may need. Heck we are the Strongest People known to Mankind who not only can go as fast as 5 m.p.h. in our chairs and actually run the walking people into the ground before our chairs run out of power as long as we have them gassed up before we go up against one them. "LOL" Depression or being depressed is a part of every living soul here on Earth. Beating it before it gets to you so badly is very hard to do and I have no clue to what to tell others "how to beat it". The first two years of my disability was the hardest time, crying most the time watching others on the news having their troubles hurt me. I was giving a choice either stop or I can't be taking care of you and that came from my Mothers Mouth. Talking about feeling worse about my own Mother telling me that "I'm gonna have to give it up if you keep up", I just felt terrible that I was hurting Her as well as hurting myself inside. Let Depression in the front door but then give it awhile to try and take over your Life then, give yourself a big ole muscle spazm and give it a swift kick out the window. Chet ( Cquad7 ) Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page
Re: [QUAD-L] i'm so depressed i could throw up
AMEN TO THAT ! :-) Dan
[QUAD-L] i'm so depressed i could throw up
What to say anymore about being depressed about stuff that doesn't seemed to help with your self asteam or your mind for that matter. We as Quads or Para's have to set standards for the people that are walking as we were at one time, that we are the toughest minded, spirited, let alone craziest people God ever chose for us to Live our Lives sitting down and having help people have a job helping us Live. We are Blessed that we not only survived our ordeal of each of our accidents we had, but we help Doctor's have money with our UTI's we have, Pharmicists who can fill more subscriptions we need for our muscle spazms and all other medications we may need. Heck we are the Strongest People known to Mankind who not only can go as fast as 5 m.p.h. in our chairs and actually run the walking people into the ground before our chairs run out of power as long as we have them gassed up before we go up against one them. "LOL" Depression or being depressed is a part of every living soul here on Earth. Beating it before it gets to you so badly is very hard to do and I have no clue to what to tell others "how to beat it". The first two years of my disability was the hardest time, crying most the time watching others on the news having their troubles hurt me. I was giving a choice either stop or I can't be taking care of you and that came from my Mothers Mouth. Talking about feeling worse about my own Mother telling me that "I'm gonna have to give it up if you keep up", I just felt terrible that I was hurting Her as well as hurting myself inside. Let Depression in the front door but then give it awhile to try and take over your Life then, give yourself a big ole muscle spazm and give it a swift kick out the window. Chet ( Cquad7 ) Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page
RE: [QUAD-L] i'm so depressed i could throw up
I could tell that...after all you are still here with us! :) With Love, CtrlAltDel aka DaveC4/5 Complete - 29 Years PostTexas, USAAaron Mann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: No worries, I'm very resilient :) From: David K. Kelmer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2005 3:57 PMTo: Aaron Mann; quad-list@eskimo.comSubject: RE: [QUAD-L] i'm so depressed i could throw up Hi Aaron, If you ask 4 Quads a question, you'll probably end-up with 4 different answers. Don't let the ''slack'' you get about your opinion get to you. I know sometimes it's enough to make a person get depressed and throw up! Don't let anyone stop you from giving other Quads/non-Quads advice on what works for you because you'll never know when another person will find help in your advice. Stay strong. :-) With Love, CtrlAltDel aka DaveC4/5 Complete - 29 Years PostTexas, USA Aaron Mann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: You guys really confuse me. I share what worked for me and I get all sorts of slack, but you give your opinions and thoughts and it's all OK. And, yes, I do deal with depression too. "the worst thing that somebody can say is to get over it and get on with your life" - This is what works for ME, that's what makes what I said MY opinion. I grew up under the "buck up" philosophy and live that way. Back to the original poster: I do hope you take something from our input. If none of our methods or advice help, then please seek professional help. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2005 9:38 AMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; quad-list@eskimo.comSubject: Re: [QUAD-L] i'm so depressed i could throw up I agree with you Dave, that was a very shallow response that Aaron did. It proves that he also has issues and might be suffering from some depression himself with an answer like that. When I joined this list approximately two years ago the people on here were caring and loving and wanting to help each other. Now, somebody posts something and a few people have to tear them apart like it was the worst thing that ever happened. The depression is nothing to play with and the worst thing that somebody can say is to get over it and get on with your life. Life is always not an easy when you are able-bodied and when you became a quadriplegic can depend on everybody else it's that much easier and there are times that I even feel depressed because of the lifestyle. We live in the greatest nation in the world so why would anybody even compare us to a poor nation with quadriplegics with no wheelchairs or medication or anything like that. Why do we have to live like they do when we're giving billions of dollars for foreign aid and still cutting our aid here in United States for people like us that truly needed. There is not one person on this list that would not give anything to be able to walk again and if they are saying that they enjoyed this lifestyle they are either lying or have bigger issues than the most of us. Jim
Re: [QUAD-L] i'm so depressed i could throw up
It takes a special kind of person to ask four quads anything!
john
In a message dated 7/19/2005 5:08:16 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
No worries, I'm very resilient :)
From: David K. Kelmer
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, July 19,
2005 3:57 PMTo: Aaron Mann; quad-list@eskimo.comSubject:
RE: [QUAD-L] i'm so depressed i could throw up
Hi Aaron,
If you ask 4 Quads a question, you'll probably end-up with 4
different answers. Don't let the ''slack'' you get about your opinion
get to you. I know sometimes it's enough to make a person get depressed
and throw up! Don't let anyone stop you from giving other
Quads/non-Quads advice on what works for you because you'll never know
when another person will find help in your advice. Stay strong.
:-)
With Love,
CtrlAltDel aka DaveC4/5 Complete - 29 Years PostTexas,
USA Aaron Mann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
You guys really
confuse me. I share what worked for me and I get all sorts of slack,
but you give your opinions and thoughts and it's all OK. And, yes, I
do deal with depression too.
"the worst thing that
somebody can say is to get over it and get on with your life" - This is what
works for ME, that's what makes what I said MY opinion. I grew up
under the "buck up" philosophy and live that way.
Back to the original
poster: I do hope you take something from our input. If none of our
methods or advice help, then please seek professional help.
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2005 9:38 AMTo:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED];
quad-list@eskimo.comSubject: Re: [QUAD-L] i'm so depressed i
could throw up
I agree with you Dave, that was a very shallow response that Aaron
did. It proves that he also has issues and might be suffering from
some depression himself with an answer like that. When I joined this
list approximately two years ago the people on here were caring and loving
and wanting to help each other. Now, somebody posts something and a
few people have to tear them apart like it was the worst thing that ever
happened. The depression is nothing to play with and the worst thing
that somebody can say is to get over it and get on with your life.
Life is always not an easy when you are able-bodied and when you became a
quadriplegic can depend on everybody else it's that much easier and there
are times that I even feel depressed because of the lifestyle.
We live in the greatest nation in the world so why would anybody even
compare us to a poor nation with quadriplegics with no wheelchairs or
medication or anything like that. Why do we have to live like they do
when we're giving billions of dollars for foreign aid and still cutting our
aid here in United States for people like us that truly needed. There
is not one person on this list that would not give anything to be able to
walk again and if they are saying that they enjoyed this lifestyle they are
either lying or have bigger issues than the most of us.
Jim
RE: [QUAD-L] i'm so depressed i could throw up
No worries, I'm very resilient :) From: David K. Kelmer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2005 3:57 PMTo: Aaron Mann; quad-list@eskimo.comSubject: RE: [QUAD-L] i'm so depressed i could throw up Hi Aaron, If you ask 4 Quads a question, you'll probably end-up with 4 different answers. Don't let the ''slack'' you get about your opinion get to you. I know sometimes it's enough to make a person get depressed and throw up! Don't let anyone stop you from giving other Quads/non-Quads advice on what works for you because you'll never know when another person will find help in your advice. Stay strong. :-) With Love, CtrlAltDel aka DaveC4/5 Complete - 29 Years PostTexas, USA Aaron Mann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: You guys really confuse me. I share what worked for me and I get all sorts of slack, but you give your opinions and thoughts and it's all OK. And, yes, I do deal with depression too. "the worst thing that somebody can say is to get over it and get on with your life" - This is what works for ME, that's what makes what I said MY opinion. I grew up under the "buck up" philosophy and live that way. Back to the original poster: I do hope you take something from our input. If none of our methods or advice help, then please seek professional help. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2005 9:38 AMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; quad-list@eskimo.comSubject: Re: [QUAD-L] i'm so depressed i could throw up I agree with you Dave, that was a very shallow response that Aaron did. It proves that he also has issues and might be suffering from some depression himself with an answer like that. When I joined this list approximately two years ago the people on here were caring and loving and wanting to help each other. Now, somebody posts something and a few people have to tear them apart like it was the worst thing that ever happened. The depression is nothing to play with and the worst thing that somebody can say is to get over it and get on with your life. Life is always not an easy when you are able-bodied and when you became a quadriplegic can depend on everybody else it's that much easier and there are times that I even feel depressed because of the lifestyle. We live in the greatest nation in the world so why would anybody even compare us to a poor nation with quadriplegics with no wheelchairs or medication or anything like that. Why do we have to live like they do when we're giving billions of dollars for foreign aid and still cutting our aid here in United States for people like us that truly needed. There is not one person on this list that would not give anything to be able to walk again and if they are saying that they enjoyed this lifestyle they are either lying or have bigger issues than the most of us. Jim
RE: [QUAD-L] i'm so depressed i could throw up
Hi Aaron, If you ask 4 Quads a question, you'll probably end-up with 4 different answers. Don't let the ''slack'' you get about your opinion get to you. I know sometimes it's enough to make a person get depressed and throw up! Don't let anyone stop you from giving other Quads/non-Quads advice on what works for you because you'll never know when another person will find help in your advice. Stay strong. :-) With Love, CtrlAltDel aka DaveC4/5 Complete - 29 Years PostTexas, USA Aaron Mann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: You guys really confuse me. I share what worked for me and I get all sorts of slack, but you give your opinions and thoughts and it's all OK. And, yes, I do deal with depression too. "the worst thing that somebody can say is to get over it and get on with your life" - This is what works for ME, that's what makes what I said MY opinion. I grew up under the "buck up" philosophy and live that way. Back to the original poster: I do hope you take something from our input. If none of our methods or advice help, then please seek professional help. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2005 9:38 AMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; quad-list@eskimo.comSubject: Re: [QUAD-L] i'm so depressed i could throw up I agree with you Dave, that was a very shallow response that Aaron did. It proves that he also has issues and might be suffering from some depression himself with an answer like that. When I joined this list approximately two years ago the people on here were caring and loving and wanting to help each other. Now, somebody posts something and a few people have to tear them apart like it was the worst thing that ever happened. The depression is nothing to play with and the worst thing that somebody can say is to get over it and get on with your life. Life is always not an easy when you are able-bodied and when you became a quadriplegic can depend on everybody else it's that much easier and there are times that I even feel depressed because of the lifestyle. We live in the greatest nation in the world so why would anybody even compare us to a poor nation with quadriplegics with no wheelchairs or medication or anything like that. Why do we have to live like they do when we're giving billions of dollars for foreign aid and still cutting our aid here in United States for people like us that truly needed. There is not one person on this list that would not give anything to be able to walk again and if they are saying that they enjoyed this lifestyle they are either lying or have bigger issues than the most of us. Jim
RE: [QUAD-L] i'm so depressed i could throw up
Hi Michael, Welcome to the Quad-List. It's nice to see a post from you. Feel free to post as often as you can. With Love, CtrlAltDel aka DaveC4/5 Complete - 29 Years PostTexas, USAMichael Norville <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi All - My name is Michael and I'm new to the group and I'm now posting for the first time. I believe she's referring to "Freddie Prinze" of "Chico and the Man" fame. I'm not trying to further this thread just trying to clarify one small point. I believe no matter what your circumstances are "depression" and "ups & downs" are a part of life, it effects every class of society. Granted, some people are able to shake it off a lot easier than others, but I don't think anyone's immune. D0wn by that Highwayside- - Michael '-/ P.S. Dave, I beliEve it's a Native of the "Quad Cities"... I've nevEr bEen vEry f0nd of that tErm, jUst mE I gUess... "Be aware of the time passing by, they say the end it's the wink of an eye" "Do it! Do it! For the love of Mike, just do it!" http://community.webtv.net/hotmail.com/prairiesedge/NewsFromPrairies While I would rather not touch this subject, I would like to know which Freddie Prinze are you talking about? If you're talking about the young man born in 1976, I believe he is still alive. I do, however, understand the point you were trying to illustrate with these examples. There is no need to further expound on this particular post.QuadiusOl' Man River <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: "Trust me, none of us on this list are so underprivileged as to have any real issues to be depressed over for an extended period of time." that's your diagnostic phrase that is incredibly shallow. it's like you think you know everyone's situation and on top of that, you write off depression as a non-real ailment. or at least that no quad here on a vent, completely immobile has any right to be depressed. you think depresasion is linked to the underpriviledged? do you remember freddy prinze or curt cobain blowing their brains out? i wouldn't consider them underprivilidged - but i WOULD class them as severely depressed. blanket ALL and NEVER statements are very foolish to blurt out. they can also be very hurtfull to some. your psycho-diagnosis is not why we are here. dave Aaron Mann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: How do you compare a ridiculous statement like what Carol said w/ what I said?!? I assume that you have a "deeper" more meaningful response? I was just trying to convey that our often self diagnosed depression is merely the lack of knowing what is possible to do in life anymore. None of us here are professionals, that I know of, so anything that is said is just an opinion and a way that each of us deals with things. I apologize if it was a shallow opinion, but I don't believe that dwelling on the negative can bring about positive results. Who would Bobbie miss? Maybe the diverse and sometimes ridiculous discussions on this group? I don't know. But, the best way I know to help someone who's depressed is to not focus on their depression. Get them involved in something, get them pissed enough about something that they want to do something, whatever works to get the person back into the life that surrounds us all. You may or may not ever take me serious again, but that is for you to decide. I care what people think and would like to know how you came to your conclusions about my comments below. From: Ol' Man River [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2005 2:36 PMTo: Approval Department; quad-list@eskimo.comSubject: RE: [QUAD-L] i'm so depressed i could throw up what an incredibly shallow response... this reads like "i'm not depressed so you have no reason to be depressed either" you remind me of carol of new york who said, "why don't you all drop your petty bitches and concentrate on getting better, and walking" it will be hard to take you seriously ever again. dave Aaron Mann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: IMO, we American's are spoiled rotten. We get depressed over very little things compared to what others in the world must live with on a daily basis. Tired of bullshit, then stop spreading it. Trust me, none of us on this list are so underprivileged as to have any real issues to be depressed over for an extended period of time. We all have ups and downs, but our ups and downs are nothing. Definitions of depression on the Web: a mental state characterized by a pessimistic sense of inadequacy and a despondent lack of activity Depression is when you become so self-involved that all you see is yourself and no one else. My cure for depression: Find something that has nothing to do with how you benefit yourself and go do it. There is al
Re: [QUAD-L] i'm so depressed i could throw up
John, I guess it was your phrase - I do not, however, look at it as anything more than an effect of depression. - that I find unusual. That seems to simplify a pretty complex and final act of desparation into a simple effect. I guess we all see things differently. Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Dave, I didn't mean to sound like I condoned suicide. I don't. I do not, however, look at it as anything more than an effect of depression. Most of us get through our depression and go on. Some of my friends didn't make it. I still love them. Some didn't make it through infections. I hate the loss. john In a message dated 7/16/2005 10:06:35 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: excellent observation john. by taking your own life you are not saying that you don't matter anywhere near as loud as you are telling your loved ones that THEY don't matter. what a slap in their faces that must be. dave[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Good post! I think you stepped in a minefield because we each have experienced depression. We are all different in many ways, including how we deal with depression. I have known a lot of folks that couldn't deal and have chosen to end their problems. Trouble with that is they ended everything. I'm not afraid of dying. I don't give advice on suicide because I've only decided that I want to live today. Some days that decision gets clouded by depression. I hope you let these bad feelings go and stay with us. But, I will never lower my opinion of any one on this list because they succumbed to depression. I look at depression in the same way I view UTI's. They can be fatal and I sure hope there is a better life awaiting us all. If you do take that route please get your affairs in order and don't leave trivial notes blaming others. The world is aware of what you did and why you did it. If you mess up you will do time in a psych center and it won't be fun, so don't mix up a suicide attempt with a cry for help. Do not set up some elaborate event where some poor schmuck kills you accidentally. They don't deserve that on their conscience. john Dave(what's a quad?)__Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
RE: [QUAD-L] i'm so depressed i could throw up
I guess my main objection to your philosophy is that it sounds a lot like my dear departed father. I always viewed his "buck up" attitude towards me as his dis-interest in sympathizing or understanding or comforting one in a tough time. Those types of responses take time to deal with and reason through, and after all, it was MY problem, not his. He just wasn't one to express any loving and caring emotions verbally. He never once said he loved me - even though I know for sure he did by his actions. People like that view compassion as a weakness and prefer not to deal with those emotions. People like that also miss a lot of real life. When we'd fall down, he'd say, "I don't feel anything, it didn't hurt ME." That was not a comforting thing to hear. His lack of interest in my problems was something I just didn't need in my life and I think (AND thought at the time), ! saying nothing would have been more comforting than, "buck up." I don't like hearing "you will never walk again so buck up" because there are a lot of less abrasive ways to say it with the same meaning. Dave Aaron Mann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: You guys really confuse me. I share what worked for me and I get all sorts of slack, but you give your opinions and thoughts and it's all OK. And, yes, I do deal with depression too. "the worst thing that somebody can say is to get over it and get on with your life" - This is what works for ME, that's what makes what I said MY opinion. I grew up under the "buck up" philosophy and live that way. Back to the original poster: I do hope you take something from our input. If none of our methods or advice help, then please seek professional help. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2005 9:38 AMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; quad-list@eskimo.comSubject: Re: [QUAD-L] i'm so depressed i could throw up I agree with you Dave, that was a very shallow response that Aaron did. It proves that he also has issues and might be suffering from some depression himself with an answer like that. When I joined this list approximately two years ago the people on here were caring and loving and wanting to help each other. Now, somebody posts something and a few people have to tear them apart like it was the worst thing that ever happened. The depression is nothing to play with and the worst thing that somebody can say is to get over it and get on with your life. Life is always not an easy when you are able-bodied and when you became a quadriplegic can depend on everybody else it's that much easier and there are times that I even feel depressed because of the lifestyle. We live in the greatest nation in the world so why would anybody even compare us to a poor nation with quadriplegics with no wheelchairs or medication or anything like that. Why do we have to live like they do when we're giving billions of dollars for foreign aid and still cutting our aid here in United States for people like us that truly needed. There is not one person on this list that would not give anything to be able to walk again and if they are saying that they enjoyed this lifestyle they are either lying or have bigger issues than the most of us. JimDave(what's a quad?) Do you Yahoo!? Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard.
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good question. - Original Message - From: "Aaron Mann" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "William Willis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Sent: Monday, July 18, 2005 7:42 AM Subject: RE: RE: [QUAD-L] i'm so depressed i could throw up > Does anyone know the medical facts behind what these drugs do? I've > been curious to know what imbalance these drugs put back in balance. > > -Original Message- > From: William Willis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2005 2:17 PM > To: quad-list@eskimo.com > Subject: FW: RE: [QUAD-L] i'm so depressed i could throw up > > As I have grown older depression seems to descend on me more > frequently. > Two years ago my father died and I couldn't go through the day without > two or three cryings jags. My doc finally gave me zoloft and it has > helped tremendously. I believe in getting help anywhere I can find it. > > >From: "Stuntman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >To: "Ol' Man River" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,Approval Department > ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, quad-list@eskimo.com > >Subject: RE: [QUAD-L] i'm so depressed i could throw up > >Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 20:37:18 -0500 > > > >Some people need help out of their mental state. > >A comforting word is too much to ask? > >While I can take almost anything thrown at ME, I realize there are lots > > >of people who can't. > >Some of us have been tempered by conditioning which took place before > >our disability, others are not as lucky. > >Clincaly there are 3 major souces (causes) of depression, Medical > >(chemical or hormonal), Physcological, and despair. > >Only despair can be influenced by friends and the lack of them > >(imagined or real) can be devastating. > >Sometimes listening can be all the medicine required. > >(that's what shrinks do) > >Stunt > > > > > > > > "Trust me, none of us on this list are so underprivileged as to have > >any real issues to be depressed over for an extended period of time." > > > > > > that's your diagnostic phrase that is incredibly shallow. it's like > >you think you know everyone's situation and on top of that, you write > >off depression as a non-real ailment. or at least that no quad here on > >a vent, completely immobile has any right to be depressed. you think > >depresasion is linked to the underpriviledged? do you remember freddy > >prinze or curt cobain blowing their brains out? i wouldn't consider > >them underprivilidged - but i WOULD class them as severely depressed. > >blanket ALL and NEVER statements are very foolish to blurt out. they > >can also be very hurtfull to some. your psycho-diagnosis is not why we > > >are here. > > > dave > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Aaron Mann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > How do you compare a ridiculous statement like what Carol said w/ > >what I said?!? I assume that you have a "deeper" more meaningful > >response? I was just trying to convey that our often self diagnosed > >depression is merely the lack of knowing what is possible to do in life > > >anymore. None of us here are professionals, that I know of, so > >anything that is said is just an opinion and a way that each of us > >deals with things. > > > > > > I apologize if it was a shallow opinion, but I don't believe that > >dwelling on the negative can bring about positive results. Who would > >Bobbie miss? Maybe the diverse and sometimes ridiculous discussions on > > >this group? I don't know. But, the best way I know to help someone > >who's depressed is to not focus on their depression. Get them involved > > >in something, get them pissed enough about something that they want to > >do something, whatever works to get the person back into the life that > >surrounds us all. > > > > > > You may or may not ever take me serious again, but that is for you > > > to > >decide. I care what people think and would like to know how you came > >to your conclusions about my comments below. > > > > > > > > > > >
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You guys really confuse me. I share what worked for me and I get all sorts of slack, but you give your opinions and thoughts and it's all OK. And, yes, I do deal with depression too. "the worst thing that somebody can say is to get over it and get on with your life" - This is what works for ME, that's what makes what I said MY opinion. I grew up under the "buck up" philosophy and live that way. Back to the original poster: I do hope you take something from our input. If none of our methods or advice help, then please seek professional help. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2005 9:38 AMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; quad-list@eskimo.comSubject: Re: [QUAD-L] i'm so depressed i could throw up I agree with you Dave, that was a very shallow response that Aaron did. It proves that he also has issues and might be suffering from some depression himself with an answer like that. When I joined this list approximately two years ago the people on here were caring and loving and wanting to help each other. Now, somebody posts something and a few people have to tear them apart like it was the worst thing that ever happened. The depression is nothing to play with and the worst thing that somebody can say is to get over it and get on with your life. Life is always not an easy when you are able-bodied and when you became a quadriplegic can depend on everybody else it's that much easier and there are times that I even feel depressed because of the lifestyle. We live in the greatest nation in the world so why would anybody even compare us to a poor nation with quadriplegics with no wheelchairs or medication or anything like that. Why do we have to live like they do when we're giving billions of dollars for foreign aid and still cutting our aid here in United States for people like us that truly needed. There is not one person on this list that would not give anything to be able to walk again and if they are saying that they enjoyed this lifestyle they are either lying or have bigger issues than the most of us. Jim
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Does anyone know the medical facts behind what these drugs do? I've been curious to know what imbalance these drugs put back in balance. -Original Message- From: William Willis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2005 2:17 PM To: quad-list@eskimo.com Subject: FW: RE: [QUAD-L] i'm so depressed i could throw up As I have grown older depression seems to descend on me more frequently. Two years ago my father died and I couldn't go through the day without two or three cryings jags. My doc finally gave me zoloft and it has helped tremendously. I believe in getting help anywhere I can find it. >From: "Stuntman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: "Ol' Man River" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,Approval Department ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, quad-list@eskimo.com >Subject: RE: [QUAD-L] i'm so depressed i could throw up >Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 20:37:18 -0500 > >Some people need help out of their mental state. >A comforting word is too much to ask? >While I can take almost anything thrown at ME, I realize there are lots >of people who can't. >Some of us have been tempered by conditioning which took place before >our disability, others are not as lucky. >Clincaly there are 3 major souces (causes) of depression, Medical >(chemical or hormonal), Physcological, and despair. >Only despair can be influenced by friends and the lack of them >(imagined or real) can be devastating. >Sometimes listening can be all the medicine required. >(that's what shrinks do) >Stunt > > > > > "Trust me, none of us on this list are so underprivileged as to have >any real issues to be depressed over for an extended period of time." > > > > that's your diagnostic phrase that is incredibly shallow. it's like >you think you know everyone's situation and on top of that, you write >off depression as a non-real ailment. or at least that no quad here on >a vent, completely immobile has any right to be depressed. you think >depresasion is linked to the underpriviledged? do you remember freddy >prinze or curt cobain blowing their brains out? i wouldn't consider >them underprivilidged - but i WOULD class them as severely depressed. >blanket ALL and NEVER statements are very foolish to blurt out. they >can also be very hurtfull to some. your psycho-diagnosis is not why we >are here. > > dave > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Aaron Mann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > How do you compare a ridiculous statement like what Carol said w/ >what I said?!? I assume that you have a "deeper" more meaningful >response? I was just trying to convey that our often self diagnosed >depression is merely the lack of knowing what is possible to do in life >anymore. None of us here are professionals, that I know of, so >anything that is said is just an opinion and a way that each of us >deals with things. > > > > I apologize if it was a shallow opinion, but I don't believe that >dwelling on the negative can bring about positive results. Who would >Bobbie miss? Maybe the diverse and sometimes ridiculous discussions on >this group? I don't know. But, the best way I know to help someone >who's depressed is to not focus on their depression. Get them involved >in something, get them pissed enough about something that they want to >do something, whatever works to get the person back into the life that >surrounds us all. > > > > You may or may not ever take me serious again, but that is for you > > to >decide. I care what people think and would like to know how you came >to your conclusions about my comments below. > > >
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Dear Dave, I didn't mean to sound like I condoned suicide. I don't. I do not, however, look at it as anything more than an effect of depression. Most of us get through our depression and go on. Some of my friends didn't make it. I still love them. Some didn't make it through infections. I hate the loss. john In a message dated 7/16/2005 10:06:35 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: excellent observation john. by taking your own life you are not saying that you don't matter anywhere near as loud as you are telling your loved ones that THEY don't matter. what a slap in their faces that must be. dave[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Good post! I think you stepped in a minefield because we each have experienced depression. We are all different in many ways, including how we deal with depression. I have known a lot of folks that couldn't deal and have chosen to end their problems. Trouble with that is they ended everything. I'm not afraid of dying. I don't give advice on suicide because I've only decided that I want to live today. Some days that decision gets clouded by depression. I hope you let these bad feelings go and stay with us. But, I will never lower my opinion of any one on this list because they succumbed to depression. I look at depression in the same way I view UTI's. They can be fatal and I sure hope there is a better life awaiting us all. If you do take that route please get your affairs in order and don't leave trivial notes blaming others. The world is aware of what you did and why you did it. If you mess up you will do time in a psych center and it won't be fun, so don't mix up a suicide attempt with a cry for help. Do not set up some elaborate event where some poor schmuck kills you accidentally. They don't deserve that on their conscience. john
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No offence to any people who reads this, it's my nickle worth of words. I really don't know who it is here has this depression enough to make them want to throw up. I have read many posts about what people think about what can happen if this problem persists for the person. There isn't anyway for someone else to fix this but the person feeling that away. Many times I have felt like driving my wheechair out to the Canal and taking the plunge but, how many besides myself would feel sorry for me. I would hurt my Mother more after she has gave up most of her Life to take care of me. She was 70 years old when I was 30 and 1/2 years old when I become a Quad. Depression is in all sitting or walking people that runs into a problem they think it can't be fixed or rather are confused on how can I get it fixed? Talking to others has always been a help to me and even though I ain't a Church going person, I will Hope and Pray to that person whom has this notion of throwing up because of being depressed, that that feeling goes away real soon. God Bless, Chet__Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
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Welcome Michael, I guess you watched Chico and the Man also, great show and a tragic ending. Mark C5/6 6 years post ---Original Message--- From: Michael Norville Date: 07/16/05 15:17:45 To: quad-list@eskimo.com Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [QUAD-L] i'm so depressed i could throw up Hi All - My name is Michael and I'm new to the group and I'm now posting for the first time. I believe she's referring to "Freddie Prinze" of "Chico and the Man" fame. I'm not trying to further this thread just trying to clarify one small point. I believe no matter what your circumstances are "depression" and "ups & downs" are a part of life, it effects every class of society. Granted, some people are able to shake it off a lot easier than others, but I don't think anyone's immune. D0wn by that Highwayside- - Michael '-/ P.S. Dave, I beliEve it's a Native of the "Quad Cities"... I've nevEr bEen vEry f0nd of that tErm, jUst mE I gUess... "Be aware of the time passing by, they say the end it's the wink of an eye" "Do it! Do it! For the love of Mike, just do it!" http://community.webtv.net/hotmail.com/prairiesedge/NewsFromPrairies While I would rather not touch this subject, I would like to know which Freddie Prinze are you talking about? If you're talking about the young man born in 1976, I believe he is still alive. I do, however, understand the point you were trying to illustrate with these examples. There is no need to further expound on this particular post.QuadiusOl' Man River <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: "Trust me, none of us on this list are so underprivileged as to have any real issues to be depressed over for an extended period of time." that's your diagnostic phrase that is incredibly shallow. it's like you think you know everyone's situation and on top of that, you write off depression as a non-real ailment. or at least that no quad here on a vent, completely immobile has any right to be depressed. you think depresasion is linked to the underpriviledged? do you remember freddy prinze or curt cobain blowing their brains out? i wouldn't consider them underprivilidged - but i WOULD class them as severely depressed. blanket ALL and NEVER statements are very foolish to blurt out. they can also be very hurtfull to some. your psycho-diagnosis is not why we are here. dave Aaron Mann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: How do you compare a ridiculous statement like what Carol said w/ what I said?!? I assume that you have a "deeper" more meaningful response? I was just trying to convey that our often self diagnosed depression is merely the lack of knowing what is possible to do in life anymore. None of us here are professionals, that I know of, so anything that is said is just an opinion and a way that each of us deals with things. I apologize if it was a shallow opinion, but I don't believe that dwelling on the negative can bring about positive results. Who would Bobbie miss? Maybe the diverse and sometimes ridiculous discussions on this group? I don't know. But, the best way I know to help someone who's depressed is to not focus on their depression. Get them involved in something, get them pissed enough about something that they want to do something, whatever works to get the person back into the life that surrounds us all. You may or may not ever take me serious again, but that is for you to decide. I care what people think and would like to know how you came to your conclusions about my comments below. From: Ol' Man River [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2005 2:36 PMTo: Approval Department; quad-list@eskimo.comSubject: RE: [QUAD-L] i'm so depressed i could throw up what an incredibly shallow response... this reads like "i'm not depressed so you have no reason to be depressed either" you remind me of carol of new york who said, "why don't you all drop your petty bitches and concentrate on getting better, and walking" it will be hard to take you seriously ever again. dave Aaron Mann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: IMO, we American's are spoiled rotten. We get depressed over very little things compared to what others in the world must live with on a daily basis. Tired of bullshit, then stop spreading it. Trust me, none of us on this list are so underprivileged as to have any real issues to be depressed over for an extended period of time. We all have ups and downs, but our ups and downs are nothing. Definitions of depression on the Web: a mental state characterized by a pessimistic sense of inadequacy and a despondent lack of activity Depression is when you become so self-involved that all you see is yourself and no one else. My cure for depression: Find something that h
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Freddie Prinze, Otherwise known from the 70's hit show "Chico and the Man" Mark ---Original Message--- From: David K. Kelmer Date: 07/16/05 15:06:20 To: B. Kimberlin \(Quadius\); quad-list@eskimo.com Subject: RE: [QUAD-L] i'm so depressed i could throw up He was probaly refering to Freddie Prinze, Sr. Freddie James Prinze, Jr. was born in Los Angeles, California on March 8, 1976. His father lovingly nicknamed him "Pie," because he was so cute. Unfortunately, Freddie Prinze, Sr.'s life - as well as Freddie's imperative time with his father - was cut short, when senior passed away when Freddie jr. was only ten months old. On January 28, 1977 at his Beverly Comstock Hotel room, Freddie Prinze, Sr. reportedly called his family, friends and managers and said good-bye to them all. He wrote a suicide note that read "I must end it. There is no hope. I will be at peace. No one had anything to do with it. My decision totally. Signed, Freddie Prinze". Manager Dusty Snyder was present, and evidently tried to talk to Freddie, but little is known as to the exact events that occurred, as Mr. Snyder's recollections are hazy. Freddie, who was under the influence of Quaaludes, had shot himself. He was kept on life support and was in critical condition until January 29, 1977 when his parents decided to take him off of the life support. He was then pronounced dead. Dave Kelmer, Wichita Falls, TX "B. Kimberlin (Quadius)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: While I would rather not touch this subject, I would like to know which Freddie Prinze are you talking about? If you're talking about the young man born in 1976, I believe he is still alive. I do, however, understand the point you were trying to illustrate with these examples. There is no need to further expound on this particular post.QuadiusOl' Man River <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: "Trust me, none of us on this list are so underprivileged as to have any real issues to be depressed over for an extended period of time." that's your diagnostic phrase that is incredibly shallow. it's like you think you know everyone's situation and on top of that, you write off depression as a non-real ailment. or at least that no quad here on a vent, completely immobile has any right to be depressed. you think depresasion is linked to the underpriviledged? do you remember freddy prinze or curt cobain blowing their brains out? i wouldn't consider them underprivilidged - but i WOULD class them as severely depressed. blanket ALL and NEVER statements are very foolish to blurt out. they can also be very hurtfull to some. your psycho-diagnosis is not why we are here. dave Aaron Mann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: How do you compare a ridiculous statement like what Carol said w/ what I said?!? I assume that you have a "deeper" more meaningful response? I was just trying to convey that our often self diagnosed depression is merely the lack of knowing what is possible to do in life anymore. None of us here are professionals, that I know of, so anything that is said is just an opinion and a way that each of us deals with things. I apologize if it was a shallow opinion, but I don't believe that dwelling on the negative can bring about positive results. Who would Bobbie miss? Maybe the diverse and sometimes ridiculous discussions on this group? I don't know. But, the best way I know to help someone who's depressed is to not focus on their depression. Get them involved in something, get them pissed enough about something that they want to do something, whatever works to get the person back into the life that surrounds us all. You may or may not ever take me serious again, but that is for you to decide. I care what people think and would like to know how you came to your conclusions about my comments below. From: Ol' Man River [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2005 2:36 PMTo: Approval Department; quad-list@eskimo.comSubject: RE: [QUAD-L] i'm so depressed i could throw up what an incredibly shallow response... this reads like "i'm not depressed so you have no reason to be depressed either" you remind me of carol of new york who said, "why don't you all drop your petty bitches and concentrate on getting better, and walking" it will be hard to take you seriously ever again. dave Aaron Mann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: IMO, we American's are spoiled rotten. We get depressed over very little things compared to what others in the world must live with on a daily basis. Tired of bullshit, then stop spreading it. Trust me, none of us on this list are so underprivileged as to have any real issues to be depressed over for an extended period of time. We all have ups and downs, but our ups and downs are nothing. Definitions of depression
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excellent observation john. by taking your own life you are not saying that you don't matter anywhere near as loud as you are telling your loved ones that THEY don't matter. what a slap in their faces that must be. dave[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Good post! I think you stepped in a minefield because we each have experienced depression. We are all different in many ways, including how we deal with depression. I have known a lot of folks that couldn't deal and have chosen to end their problems. Trouble with that is they ended everything. I'm not afraid of dying. I don't give advice on suicide because I've only decided that I want to live today. Some days that decision gets clouded by depression. I hope you let these bad feelings go and stay with us. But, I will never lower my opinion of any one on this list because they succumbed to depression. I look at depression in the same way I view UTI's. They can be fatal and I sure hope there is a better life awaiting us all. If you do take that route please get your affairs in order and don't leave trivial notes blaming others. The world is aware of what you did and why you did it. If you mess up you will do time in a psych center and it won't be fun, so don't mix up a suicide attempt with a cry for help. Do not set up some elaborate event where some poor schmuck kills you accidentally. They don't deserve that on their conscience. john In a message dated 7/15/2005 12:45:23 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Ok, you obviously have more insight on this topic than I. I didn't realize I needed to get my input approved by you prior to posting. I'll try to run my own life lessons by you in the future. Thanks for chopping me down a notch, I'm back in my place now. From: Ol' Man River [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2005 7:30 PMTo: Approval Department; quad-list@eskimo.comSubject: RE: [QUAD-L] i'm so depressed i could throw up "Trust me, none of us on this list are so underprivileged as to have any real issues to be depressed over for an extended period of time." that's your diagnostic phrase that is incredibly shallow. it's like you think you know everyone's situation and on top of that, you write off depression as a non-real ailment. or at least that no quad here on a vent, completely immobile has any right to be depressed. you think depresasion is linked to the underpriviledged? do you remember freddy prinze or curt cobain blowing their brains out? i wouldn't consider them underprivilidged - but i WOULD class them as severely depressed. blanket ALL and NEVER statements are very foolish to blurt out. they can also be very hurtfull to some. your psycho-diagnosis is not why we are here. dave Aaron Mann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: How do you compare a ridiculous statement like what Carol said w/ what I said?!? I assume that you have a "deeper" more meaningful response? I was just trying to convey that our often self diagnosed depression is merely the lack of knowing what is possible to do in life anymore. None of us here are professionals, that I know of, so anything that is said is just an opinion and a way that each of us deals with things. I apologize if it was a shallow opinion, but I don't believe that dwelling on the negative can bring about positive results. Who would Bobbie miss? Maybe the diverse and sometimes ridiculous discussions on this group? I don't know. But, the best way I know to help someone who's depressed is to not focus on their depression. Get them involved in something, get them pissed enough about something that they want to do something, whatever works to get the person back into the life that surrounds us all. You may or may not ever take me serious again, but that is for you to decide. I care what people think and would like to know how you came to your conclusions about my comments below. From: Ol' Man River [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2005 2:36 PMTo: Approval Department; quad-list@eskimo.comSubject: RE: [QUAD-L] i'm so depressed i could throw up what an incredibly shallow response... this reads like "i'm not depressed so you have no reason to be depressed either" you remind me of carol of new york who said, "why don't you all drop your petty bitches and concentrate on getting better, and walking" it will be hard to take you seriously ever again. dave Aaron Mann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: IMO, we American's are spoiled rotten. We get depressed over very little things compared to what others in the world must live with on a daily basis. Tired of bullshit, then stop spreading it. Trust me, none of us on this list are so underprivileged as to have any real issues to be depressed over for an extended period of time. We all have ups and dow
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Hi All - My name is Michael and I'm new to the group and I'm now posting for the first time. I believe she's referring to "Freddie Prinze" of "Chico and the Man" fame. I'm not trying to further this thread just trying to clarify one small point. I believe no matter what your circumstances are "depression" and "ups & downs" are a part of life, it effects every class of society. Granted, some people are able to shake it off a lot easier than others, but I don't think anyone's immune. D0wn by that Highwayside- - Michael '-/ P.S. Dave, I beliEve it's a Native of the "Quad Cities"... I've nevEr bEen vEry f0nd of that tErm, jUst mE I gUess... "Be aware of the time passing by, they say the end it's the wink of an eye" "Do it! Do it! For the love of Mike, just do it!" http://community.webtv.net/hotmail.com/prairiesedge/NewsFromPrairies While I would rather not touch this subject, I would like to know which Freddie Prinze are you talking about? If you're talking about the young man born in 1976, I believe he is still alive. I do, however, understand the point you were trying to illustrate with these examples. There is no need to further expound on this particular post.QuadiusOl' Man River <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: "Trust me, none of us on this list are so underprivileged as to have any real issues to be depressed over for an extended period of time." that's your diagnostic phrase that is incredibly shallow. it's like you think you know everyone's situation and on top of that, you write off depression as a non-real ailment. or at least that no quad here on a vent, completely immobile has any right to be depressed. you think depresasion is linked to the underpriviledged? do you remember freddy prinze or curt cobain blowing their brains out? i wouldn't consider them underprivilidged - but i WOULD class them as severely depressed. blanket ALL and NEVER statements are very foolish to blurt out. they can also be very hurtfull to some. your psycho-diagnosis is not why we are here. dave Aaron Mann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: How do you compare a ridiculous statement like what Carol said w/ what I said?!? I assume that you have a "deeper" more meaningful response? I was just trying to convey that our often self diagnosed depression is merely the lack of knowing what is possible to do in life anymore. None of us here are professionals, that I know of, so anything that is said is just an opinion and a way that each of us deals with things. I apologize if it was a shallow opinion, but I don't believe that dwelling on the negative can bring about positive results. Who would Bobbie miss? Maybe the diverse and sometimes ridiculous discussions on this group? I don't know. But, the best way I know to help someone who's depressed is to not focus on their depression. Get them involved in something, get them pissed enough about something that they want to do something, whatever works to get the person back into the life that surrounds us all. You may or may not ever take me serious again, but that is for you to decide. I care what people think and would like to know how you came to your conclusions about my comments below. From: Ol' Man River [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2005 2:36 PMTo: Approval Department; quad-list@eskimo.comSubject: RE: [QUAD-L] i'm so depressed i could throw up what an incredibly shallow response... this reads like "i'm not depressed so you have no reason to be depressed either" you remind me of carol of new york who said, "why don't you all drop your petty bitches and concentrate on getting better, and walking" it will be hard to take you seriously ever again. dave Aaron Mann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: IMO, we American's are spoiled rotten. We get depressed over very little things compared to what others in the world must live with on a daily basis. Tired of bullshit, then stop spreading it. Trust me, none of us on this list are so underprivileged as to have any real issues to be depressed over for an extended period of time. We all have ups and downs, but our ups and downs are nothing. Definitions of depression on the Web: a mental state characterized by a pessimistic sense of inadequacy and a despondent lack of activity Depression is when you become so self-involved that all you see is yourself and no one else. My cure for depression: Find something that has nothing to do with how you benefit yourself and go do it. There is always someone or something worse off than yourself. If you cannot think of things to do at your level, then ask. I'm certain each of us can come up with at least three things that you can go do. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTEC
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He was probaly refering to Freddie Prinze, Sr. Freddie James Prinze, Jr. was born in Los Angeles, California on March 8, 1976. His father lovingly nicknamed him "Pie," because he was so cute. Unfortunately, Freddie Prinze, Sr.'s life - as well as Freddie's imperative time with his father - was cut short, when senior passed away when Freddie jr. was only ten months old. On January 28, 1977 at his Beverly Comstock Hotel room, Freddie Prinze, Sr. reportedly called his family, friends and managers and said good-bye to them all. He wrote a suicide note that read "I must end it. There is no hope. I will be at peace. No one had anything to do with it. My decision totally. Signed, Freddie Prinze". Manager Dusty Snyder was present, and evidently tried to talk to Freddie, but little is known as to the exact events that occurred, as Mr. Snyder's recollections are hazy. Freddie, who was under the influence of Quaaludes, had shot himself. He was kept on life support and was in critical condition until January 29, 1977 when his parents decided to take him off of the life support. He was then pronounced dead. Dave Kelmer, Wichita Falls, TX "B. Kimberlin (Quadius)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: While I would rather not touch this subject, I would like to know which Freddie Prinze are you talking about? If you're talking about the young man born in 1976, I believe he is still alive. I do, however, understand the point you were trying to illustrate with these examples. There is no need to further expound on this particular post.QuadiusOl' Man River <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: "Trust me, none of us on this list are so underprivileged as to have any real issues to be depressed over for an extended period of time." that's your diagnostic phrase that is incredibly shallow. it's like you think you know everyone's situation and on top of that, you write off depression as a non-real ailment. or at least that no quad here on a vent, completely immobile has any right to be depressed. you think depresasion is linked to the underpriviledged? do you remember freddy prinze or curt cobain blowing their brains out? i wouldn't consider them underprivilidged - but i WOULD class them as severely depressed. blanket ALL and NEVER statements are very foolish to blurt out. they can also be very hurtfull to some. your psycho-diagnosis is not why we are here. dave Aaron Mann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: How do you compare a ridiculous statement like what Carol said w/ what I said?!? I assume that you have a "deeper" more meaningful response? I was just trying to convey that our often self diagnosed depression is merely the lack of knowing what is possible to do in life anymore. None of us here are professionals, that I know of, so anything that is said is just an opinion and a way that each of us deals with things. I apologize if it was a shallow opinion, but I don't believe that dwelling on the negative can bring about positive results. Who would Bobbie miss? Maybe the diverse and sometimes ridiculous discussions on this group? I don't know. But, the best way I know to help someone who's depressed is to not focus on their depression. Get them involved in something, get them pissed enough about something that they want to do something, whatever works to get the person back into the life that surrounds us all. You may or may not ever take me serious again, but that is for you to decide. I care what people think and would like to know how you came to your conclusions about my comments below. From: Ol' Man River [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2005 2:36 PMTo: Approval Department; quad-list@eskimo.comSubject: RE: [QUAD-L] i'm so depressed i could throw up what an incredibly shallow response... this reads like "i'm not depressed so you have no reason to be depressed either" you remind me of carol of new york who said, "why don't you all drop your petty bitches and concentrate on getting better, and walking" it will be hard to take you seriously ever again. dave Aaron Mann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: IMO, we American's are spoiled rotten. We get depressed over very little things compared to what others in the world must live with on a daily basis. Tired of bullshit, then stop spreading it. Trust me, none of us on this list are so underprivileged as to have any real issues to be depressed over for an extended period of time. We all have ups and downs, but our ups and downs are nothing. Definitions of depression on the Web: a mental state characterized by a pessimistic sense of inadequacy and a despondent lack of activity Depression is when you become so self-involved that all you see is yourself and no one else. My cure for depression: Find something that has nothing to do with how you benefit yourself
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As I have grown older depression seems to descend on me more frequently. Two years ago my father died and I couldn't go through the day without two or three cryings jags. My doc finally gave me zoloft and it has helped tremendously. I believe in getting help anywhere I can find it. From: "Stuntman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Ol' Man River" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,Approval Department <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, quad-list@eskimo.com Subject: RE: [QUAD-L] i'm so depressed i could throw up Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 20:37:18 -0500 Some people need help out of their mental state. A comforting word is too much to ask? While I can take almost anything thrown at ME, I realize there are lots of people who can't. Some of us have been tempered by conditioning which took place before our disability, others are not as lucky. Clincaly there are 3 major souces (causes) of depression, Medical (chemical or hormonal), Physcological, and despair. Only despair can be influenced by friends and the lack of them (imagined or real) can be devastating. Sometimes listening can be all the medicine required. (that's what shrinks do) Stunt > > "Trust me, none of us on this list are so underprivileged as to have any real issues to be depressed over for an extended period of time." > > that's your diagnostic phrase that is incredibly shallow. it's like you think you know everyone's situation and on top of that, you write off depression as a non-real ailment. or at least that no quad here on a vent, completely immobile has any right to be depressed. you think depresasion is linked to the underpriviledged? do you remember freddy prinze or curt cobain blowing their brains out? i wouldn't consider them underprivilidged - but i WOULD class them as severely depressed. blanket ALL and NEVER statements are very foolish to blurt out. they can also be very hurtfull to some. your psycho-diagnosis is not why we are here. > dave > > > > > > > Aaron Mann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > How do you compare a ridiculous statement like what Carol said w/ what I said?!? I assume that you have a "deeper" more meaningful response? I was just trying to convey that our often self diagnosed depression is merely the lack of knowing what is possible to do in life anymore. None of us here are professionals, that I know of, so anything that is said is just an opinion and a way that each of us deals with things. > > I apologize if it was a shallow opinion, but I don't believe that dwelling on the negative can bring about positive results. Who would Bobbie miss? Maybe the diverse and sometimes ridiculous discussions on this group? I don't know. But, the best way I know to help someone who's depressed is to not focus on their depression. Get them involved in something, get them pissed enough about something that they want to do something, whatever works to get the person back into the life that surrounds us all. > > You may or may not ever take me serious again, but that is for you to decide. I care what people think and would like to know how you came to your conclusions about my comments below. >
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As I have grown older depression seems to descend on me more frequently. Two years ago my father died and I couldn't go through the day without two or three cryings jags. My doc finally gave me zoloft and it has helped tremendously. I believe in getting help anywhere I can find it. From: "Stuntman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Ol' Man River" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,Approval Department <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, quad-list@eskimo.com Subject: RE: [QUAD-L] i'm so depressed i could throw up Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 20:37:18 -0500 Some people need help out of their mental state. A comforting word is too much to ask? While I can take almost anything thrown at ME, I realize there are lots of people who can't. Some of us have been tempered by conditioning which took place before our disability, others are not as lucky. Clincaly there are 3 major souces (causes) of depression, Medical (chemical or hormonal), Physcological, and despair. Only despair can be influenced by friends and the lack of them (imagined or real) can be devastating. Sometimes listening can be all the medicine required. (that's what shrinks do) Stunt > > "Trust me, none of us on this list are so underprivileged as to have any real issues to be depressed over for an extended period of time." > > that's your diagnostic phrase that is incredibly shallow. it's like you think you know everyone's situation and on top of that, you write off depression as a non-real ailment. or at least that no quad here on a vent, completely immobile has any right to be depressed. you think depresasion is linked to the underpriviledged? do you remember freddy prinze or curt cobain blowing their brains out? i wouldn't consider them underprivilidged - but i WOULD class them as severely depressed. blanket ALL and NEVER statements are very foolish to blurt out. they can also be very hurtfull to some. your psycho-diagnosis is not why we are here. > dave > > > > > > > Aaron Mann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > How do you compare a ridiculous statement like what Carol said w/ what I said?!? I assume that you have a "deeper" more meaningful response? I was just trying to convey that our often self diagnosed depression is merely the lack of knowing what is possible to do in life anymore. None of us here are professionals, that I know of, so anything that is said is just an opinion and a way that each of us deals with things. > > I apologize if it was a shallow opinion, but I don't believe that dwelling on the negative can bring about positive results. Who would Bobbie miss? Maybe the diverse and sometimes ridiculous discussions on this group? I don't know. But, the best way I know to help someone who's depressed is to not focus on their depression. Get them involved in something, get them pissed enough about something that they want to do something, whatever works to get the person back into the life that surrounds us all. > > You may or may not ever take me serious again, but that is for you to decide. I care what people think and would like to know how you came to your conclusions about my comments below. >
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er, Luke, too! :-)"David K. Kelmer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi Luck, I think your outlook on life is great. I'm not going to say you won't face challenges because you have a great outlook, but it's going to help you face them. I think you are saying what I believe most of us here would agree with, and that is that every case is different, just as every person is different. Yes, we do share somethings that others may never understand, but each of us are different and are living different lives. Depression is different than living with a SCI, and should be treated that way. Living with a SCI is hard. Living with a SCI and depression is a nightmare that can be helped with the proper treatment. I'm glad your little brother stopped you from doing something while depressed that you would never think of doing because you have challenges in your life. Stay strong. With Love, CtrlAltDel aka DaveC4/5 Complete - 29 Years PostTexas, USA [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i'm 22, 5 yrs post, live with my mom, out in the middle of nowhere (no neighbors). i rarely see my friends(they are all in college). broke up with my girlfriend of almost 4yrs about 2yrs ago. i am a virgin. i have pain, spasms, infections, facial numbness, no shock absorbers on my chair (w/ only a small area of cement, the rest is off-road bumps), severe to moderate osteoporosis, problems sleeping but when i do i wake up with back braking spasms, people to call, school stuff. i call all of this stuff a challenge. if things get worse then i challenge myself to except it and move on. luke ps i'm not saying i haven't been depressed since i had my accident. i tried to kill myself when i first got home after my accident and my little brother was the one that stopped me.
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Hi Luck, I think your outlook on life is great. I'm not going to say you won't face challenges because you have a great outlook, but it's going to help you face them. I think you are saying what I believe most of us here would agree with, and that is that every case is different, just as every person is different. Yes, we do share somethings that others may never understand, but each of us are different and are living different lives. Depression is different than living with a SCI, and should be treated that way. Living with a SCI is hard. Living with a SCI and depression is a nightmare that can be helped with the proper treatment. I'm glad your little brother stopped you from doing something while depressed that you would never think of doing because you have challenges in your life. Stay strong. With Love, CtrlAltDel aka DaveC4/5 Complete - 29 Years PostTexas, USA [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i'm 22, 5 yrs post, live with my mom, out in the middle of nowhere (no neighbors). i rarely see my friends(they are all in college). broke up with my girlfriend of almost 4yrs about 2yrs ago. i am a virgin. i have pain, spasms, infections, facial numbness, no shock absorbers on my chair (w/ only a small area of cement, the rest is off-road bumps), severe to moderate osteoporosis, problems sleeping but when i do i wake up with back braking spasms, people to call, school stuff. i call all of this stuff a challenge. if things get worse then i challenge myself to except it and move on. luke ps i'm not saying i haven't been depressed since i had my accident. i tried to kill myself when i first got home after my accident and my little brother was the one that stopped me.
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dana i had the baclofen pump for a year and 1/2 and had nothing but trouble w/ it. first it perturbed out of my stomach really far which made it painful to lay on my side, it also dug into my ribs. i was told i would be able to do everything i could do before i had the pump put in, but that was a miscalculation. i had trouble doing just about everything without having some pain. after 4 or 5 surgeries to find out the problem i had it removed. for a week, after i had the pump remove, i was going back and forth to the hospital with spinal fluid leaking from my back. my doc suggested i try the pump again recently because they are smaller now, but i'm gonna wait until i have no other choice. i take actonel for osteoporosis i think maybe i got osteoporosis from laying in bed recovering from all my surgeries. luke In a message dated 7/16/2005 2:50:09 AM Central Standard Time, DAANOO writes: So sorry Luke. What is your level. Did I talk to you one-time, after a quiet chat and you sent me a picture. I don't have because that computer crashed on my deck. I may have been mixed up with somebody else, I remember only talking to you one-time after quad chat . Have you thought about getting that baclofen pump that I have heard about. I know nothing about it but I saw on a spinal cord newsletter. Probably somebody on the list has this, or somebody on can care. You can post your problem and see who responds. Just a suggestion. I used to have a lot of spasms but they seem to disappear as I got older, one of my legs does jump a little because it was broken and not fit. I have very severe osteoporosis and I take an injection called forteo once every day. It has helped my score. I have been on since last September. I broke my arm and leg.I hope to hear from you.Always, Dana (C 4-5, 30 years post, 51, KC suburb of it in Johnson County, Kansas)
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You are right Aaron, we're not professionals but we do all have one thing, and that's been paralyzed. Also, I do not believe any of us are professional writers that are able to get their point across in a professional way to where people will understand what they mean without getting upset. When I read a e-mail or a post I read the words and not between the lines. If I do not understand something I ask before I make a judgment. It is so hard to get your point across in writing that it should be kept simple and pretty much to the point in a friendly manner. You wanting to piss somebody off to try to help them is a ridiculous way to go about it especially with people in our condition. It's one thing to be on a football team in trying to piss off your teammates to play harder than it is to deal with such a devastating, like changing ordeal that all of us has gone through. It's like your doctor told you as every doctor told everybody on this list, "everybody is different." You can have the exact same injury as me and we are going to be able to do different things from each other. It's a same with the mind. I have been very strong and diligent about not letting myself fall into depression since the day I was lying on the floor injured but there are people that have struggled tremendously with being a quadriplegic...everybody is different. Just remember that. Jim
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I agree with you Dave, that was a very shallow response that Aaron did. It proves that he also has issues and might be suffering from some depression himself with an answer like that. When I joined this list approximately two years ago the people on here were caring and loving and wanting to help each other. Now, somebody posts something and a few people have to tear them apart like it was the worst thing that ever happened. The depression is nothing to play with and the worst thing that somebody can say is to get over it and get on with your life. Life is always not an easy when you are able-bodied and when you became a quadriplegic can depend on everybody else it's that much easier and there are times that I even feel depressed because of the lifestyle. We live in the greatest nation in the world so why would anybody even compare us to a poor nation with quadriplegics with no wheelchairs or medication or anything like that. Why do we have to live like they do when we're giving billions of dollars for foreign aid and still cutting our aid here in United States for people like us that truly needed. There is not one person on this list that would not give anything to be able to walk again and if they are saying that they enjoyed this lifestyle they are either lying or have bigger issues than the most of us. Jim
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While I would rather not touch this subject, I would like to know which Freddie Prinze are you talking about? If you're talking about the young man born in 1976, I believe he is still alive. I do, however, understand the point you were trying to illustrate with these examples. There is no need to further expound on this particular post.QuadiusOl' Man River <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: "Trust me, none of us on this list are so underprivileged as to have any real issues to be depressed over for an extended period of time." that's your diagnostic phrase that is incredibly shallow. it's like you think you know everyone's situation and on top of that, you write off depression as a non-real ailment. or at least that no quad here on a vent, completely immobile has any right to be depressed. you think depresasion is linked to the underpriviledged? do you remember freddy prinze or curt cobain blowing their brains out? i wouldn't consider them underprivilidged - but i WOULD class them as severely depressed. blanket ALL and NEVER statements are very foolish to blurt out. they can also be very hurtfull to some. your psycho-diagnosis is not why we are here. dave Aaron Mann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: How do you compare a ridiculous statement like what Carol said w/ what I said?!? I assume that you have a "deeper" more meaningful response? I was just trying to convey that our often self diagnosed depression is merely the lack of knowing what is possible to do in life anymore. None of us here are professionals, that I know of, so anything that is said is just an opinion and a way that each of us deals with things. I apologize if it was a shallow opinion, but I don't believe that dwelling on the negative can bring about positive results. Who would Bobbie miss? Maybe the diverse and sometimes ridiculous discussions on this group? I don't know. But, the best way I know to help someone who's depressed is to not focus on their depression. Get them involved in something, get them pissed enough about something that they want to do something, whatever works to get the person back into the life that surrounds us all. You may or may not ever take me serious again, but that is for you to decide. I care what people think and would like to know how you came to your conclusions about my comments below. From: Ol' Man River [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2005 2:36 PMTo: Approval Department; quad-list@eskimo.comSubject: RE: [QUAD-L] i'm so depressed i could throw up what an incredibly shallow response... this reads like "i'm not depressed so you have no reason to be depressed either" you remind me of carol of new york who said, "why don't you all drop your petty bitches and concentrate on getting better, and walking" it will be hard to take you seriously ever again. dave Aaron Mann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: IMO, we American's are spoiled rotten. We get depressed over very little things compared to what others in the world must live with on a daily basis. Tired of bullshit, then stop spreading it. Trust me, none of us on this list are so underprivileged as to have any real issues to be depressed over for an extended period of time. We all have ups and downs, but our ups and downs are nothing. Definitions of depression on the Web: a mental state characterized by a pessimistic sense of inadequacy and a despondent lack of activity Depression is when you become so self-involved that all you see is yourself and no one else. My cure for depression: Find something that has nothing to do with how you benefit yourself and go do it. There is always someone or something worse off than yourself. If you cannot think of things to do at your level, then ask. I'm certain each of us can come up with at least three things that you can go do. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2005 10:45 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; quad-list@eskimo.comSubject: Re: [QUAD-L] i'm so depressed i could throw up Yes, i'm sure at times we all have felt that way, but even with all our problems, we survive like kings compared to quads in some other poor nationsI have seen programs on T.V. where quads and para's do not have hardly any help and no wheelchairs of ANY kindThey are so poor people place them in wagons and pull them to get them around. And though life is tough for us think of these poor mizerable souls. We just got to try and get by the best we can until our creator decides our time on earth is finished. I go thru highs and lows a lot, I think we all doyou'll be in my prayers. DanDave(what's a quad?) __Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam p
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Good post! I think you stepped in a minefield because we each have experienced depression. We are all different in many ways, including how we deal with depression. I have known a lot of folks that couldn't deal and have chosen to end their problems. Trouble with that is they ended everything. I'm not afraid of dying. I don't give advice on suicide because I've only decided that I want to live today. Some days that decision gets clouded by depression. I hope you let these bad feelings go and stay with us. But, I will never lower my opinion of any one on this list because they succumbed to depression. I look at depression in the same way I view UTI's. They can be fatal and I sure hope there is a better life awaiting us all. If you do take that route please get your affairs in order and don't leave trivial notes blaming others. The world is aware of what you did and why you did it. If you mess up you will do time in a psych center and it won't be fun, so don't mix up a suicide attempt with a cry for help. Do not set up some elaborate event where some poor schmuck kills you accidentally. They don't deserve that on their conscience. john In a message dated 7/15/2005 12:45:23 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Ok, you obviously have more insight on this topic than I. I didn't realize I needed to get my input approved by you prior to posting. I'll try to run my own life lessons by you in the future. Thanks for chopping me down a notch, I'm back in my place now. From: Ol' Man River [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2005 7:30 PMTo: Approval Department; quad-list@eskimo.comSubject: RE: [QUAD-L] i'm so depressed i could throw up "Trust me, none of us on this list are so underprivileged as to have any real issues to be depressed over for an extended period of time." that's your diagnostic phrase that is incredibly shallow. it's like you think you know everyone's situation and on top of that, you write off depression as a non-real ailment. or at least that no quad here on a vent, completely immobile has any right to be depressed. you think depresasion is linked to the underpriviledged? do you remember freddy prinze or curt cobain blowing their brains out? i wouldn't consider them underprivilidged - but i WOULD class them as severely depressed. blanket ALL and NEVER statements are very foolish to blurt out. they can also be very hurtfull to some. your psycho-diagnosis is not why we are here. dave Aaron Mann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: How do you compare a ridiculous statement like what Carol said w/ what I said?!? I assume that you have a "deeper" more meaningful response? I was just trying to convey that our often self diagnosed depression is merely the lack of knowing what is possible to do in life anymore. None of us here are professionals, that I know of, so anything that is said is just an opinion and a way that each of us deals with things. I apologize if it was a shallow opinion, but I don't believe that dwelling on the negative can bring about positive results. Who would Bobbie miss? Maybe the diverse and sometimes ridiculous discussions on this group? I don't know. But, the best way I know to help someone who's depressed is to not focus on their depression. Get them involved in something, get them pissed enough about something that they want to do something, whatever works to get the person back into the life that surrounds us all. You may or may not ever take me serious again, but that is for you to decide. I care what people think and would like to know how you came to your conclusions about my comments below. From: Ol' Man River [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2005 2:36 PMTo: Approval Department; quad-list@eskimo.comSubject: RE: [QUAD-L] i'm so depressed i could throw up what an incredibly shallow response... this reads like "i'm not depressed so you have no reason to be depressed either" you remind me of carol of new york who said, "why don't you all drop your petty bitches and concentrate on getting better, and walking" it will be hard to take you seriously ever again. dave Aaron Mann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: IMO, we American's are spoiled rotten. We get depressed over very little things compared to what others in the world must live with on a daily basis. Tired of bullshit, then stop spreading it. Trust me, none of us on this list are so underprivileged as to have any real issues
Re: [QUAD-L] i'm so depressed i could throw up
Hell yeah Lol.
- Original Message -
From:
QuadPirate
To: Dana Miller ; quad-list@eskimo.com ; Silas Shelburne
Sent: Friday, July 15, 2005 8:45
AM
Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] i'm so depressed
i could throw up
I hear you Silas the Frontier opened a whole
new road for me and now I can get off the pavement and on the
construction site, no more waiting on driveways and sidewalks for
me!
Lets get together and get a little mud on the tires!
Mark
---Original
Message---
From: Silas Shelburne
Date: 07/15/05
08:08:12
To: Dana Miller; quad-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re:
[QUAD-L] i'm so depressed i could throw up
You guys hang in there, I know what your going
through. I went through a
bout this past winter, it will get better. The new 4x4
has changed my life,
I go right with the boys and farm hands. Before I
couldn't get off the
pavement.
Hugs Silas
- Original Message -
From: "Dana Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <quad-list@eskimo.com>
Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2005 12:57 PM
Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] i'm so depressed i could throw
up
>
> I have been feeling the same
too. Just want to sleep. I fall asleep at
the
> computer, yet don't sleep well at
night. I get out each day to take the
dog
> and we go on walks when its cool enough, but
find myself day dreaming
and
> getting sleepy while doing that! I
have no ambition to train Rocco.
> Last week I was doing real well with
that. Plus I started an acrylic
paint
> class here in the building which I enjoy.
> I go see my rehab doc next week. Will
talk to him about it.
>
> My family has rallied around me and will be
helping me financially so I
can
> at least get the bills paid. Its hard
to even write about it because I
have
> paid my own way for most of my life--except when
I was in the hospital
when
> my neck was broken, but even then got disab
ility checks from work each
> week.
>
> I hate it that this has been done!!
>
> Dana and Rocco
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> - Original Message -
> From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <quad-list@eskimo.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2005 6:45 PM
> Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] i'm so depressed i could
throw up
>
>
>>
>> I dunno, bobbie. I feel that way a lot too.
I hurt so bad somedays. I
>> don't
>> get aggrevated anymore. I simply don't
accept delivery.
>> Last Saturday, my aid invited me to go watch
her daughter play
softball. A
>> bunch of nine year old girls that don't play
all that well. I didn't
have
>> anything to do, so I went. Her daughter was
thrilled! I was floored
that
>> anyone
>> even cared. I watched and I saw some
wonderful kids having a great
time.
>> They
>> laughed. Some got hurt and cried. A few got
mad and others just giggled
>> and
>> told secrets. Us, so called
adults, were allowed to share and watch. I
>> would
>> have missed all that.
>> Get out of the house. Go watch kids play
baseball. Go shopping.
Speaking
>> as
>> a somewhat ugly old man, I know I feel like
I'd rather not wake up
from
>> time
>> to time. But I hate getting upset more than
anything else. I know that
>> life
>> is a gift. It isn't mine to destroy.
Sometimes, it just plain sucks.
If I
>> don't try to enjoy my life, then it is my
fault that it s
RE: [QUAD-L] i'm so depressed i could throw up
Ok, you obviously have more insight on this topic than
I. I didn't realize I needed to get my input approved by you prior to
posting. I'll try to run my own life lessons by you in the future.
Thanks for chopping me down a notch, I'm back in my place
now.
From: Ol' Man River
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2005 7:30
PMTo: Approval Department; quad-list@eskimo.comSubject:
RE: [QUAD-L] i'm so depressed i could throw up
"Trust me, none of us on this list are so underprivileged as to have any
real issues to be depressed over for an extended period of time."
that's your diagnostic phrase that
is incredibly shallow. it's like you think you know everyone's situation
and on top of that, you write off depression as a non-real ailment. or at least
that no quad here on a vent, completely immobile has any right to be depressed.
you think depresasion is linked to the underpriviledged? do you remember
freddy prinze or curt cobain blowing their brains out? i wouldn't consider
them underprivilidged - but i WOULD class them as severely
depressed. blanket ALL and NEVER statements are very foolish to
blurt out. they can also be very hurtfull to some. your
psycho-diagnosis is not why we are here.
dave
Aaron Mann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
How do you compare a ridiculous statement like what Carol
said w/ what I said?!? I assume that you have a "deeper" more meaningful
response? I was just trying to convey that our often self diagnosed
depression is merely the lack of knowing what is possible to do in life
anymore. None of us here are professionals, that I know of, so anything
that is said is just an opinion and a way that each of us deals with
things.
I apologize if it was a shallow opinion, but I don't
believe that dwelling on the negative can bring about positive results.
Who would Bobbie miss? Maybe the diverse and sometimes ridiculous
discussions on this group? I don't know. But, the best way I know
to help someone who's depressed is to not focus on their depression. Get
them involved in something, get them pissed enough about something that they
want to do something, whatever works to get the person back into the life that
surrounds us all.
You may or may not ever take me serious again, but that
is for you to decide. I care what people think and would like to know
how you came to your conclusions about my comments
below.
From: Ol' Man River
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2005 2:36
PMTo: Approval Department; quad-list@eskimo.comSubject:
RE: [QUAD-L] i'm so depressed i could throw up
what an incredibly shallow response...
this reads like "i'm not depressed so you have no reason to be depressed
either" you remind me of carol of new york who said, "why don't you
all drop your petty bitches and concentrate on getting better, and
walking"
it will be hard to take you seriously
ever again.
dave
Aaron Mann
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
IMO, we American's
are spoiled rotten. We get depressed over very little things compared
to what others in the world must live with on a daily basis. Tired of
bullshit, then stop spreading it. Trust me, none of us on this list
are so underprivileged as to have any real issues to be depressed over for
an extended period of time.
We all have ups and
downs, but our ups and downs are nothing.
Definitions of depression on the Web:
a mental state characterized by a pessimistic sense of inadequacy and
a despondent lack of activity
Depression is when
you become so self-involved that all you see is yourself and no one
else.
My cure for
depression: Find something that has nothing to do with how you benefit
yourself and go do it. There is always someone or something worse off
than yourself. If you cannot think of things to do at your level, then
ask. I'm certain each of us can come up with at least three things
that you can go do.
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2005
10:45 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED];
quad-list@eskimo.comSubject: Re: [QUAD-L] i'm so depressed i
could throw up
Yes, i'm sure at times we all have felt that way,
but even with all our problems, we survive like kings compared to quads in
some other poor nationsI have seen programs on T.V. where quads and
para's do not have hardly any help and no wheelchairs of ANY kindThey
are so poor people place them in wagons and pull them to get them around.
And though life is tough for us think of these poor mizerable souls. We just
got to try and g
Re: [QUAD-L] i'm so depressed i could throw up
I don't know how this got started? Everyone has depression non_disabled and disabled people. For me I had 2 broken necks. One was do to a drunken track driver. As soon as I come home from rehab. I was waking in a walker. When I confronted my husband about has sleeping around in our back yard and he pick me up and through against our house and dragged my into the living room. He tried to kill me. I broke my neck and back that time. There was no waking but a wheelchair. I had to come home in fear of my life. I left him without any money of my own until I got on SSI. He got away with all most killing me there were no witness of what he did to me and I was afraid to tell anyone. I'm still going to concealing after13 years. I'm going to college and have a degree. I'm know as the Wheelchair Warrior. With help my life is now bearable. I had to make a life for myself. I leave you w! ith this, "Things don't always go as planned.For me, at times, this courage from thinking of my personal heros--- people who accomplished great things under difficult circumstances, people who put their dreams above their fear-and won." We are all Heros! Wheelchair Warrior [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i'm 22, 5 yrs post, live with my mom, out in the middle of nowhere (no neighbors). i rarely see my friends(they are all in college). broke up with my girlfriend of almost 4yrs about 2yrs ago. i am a virgin. i have pain, spasms, infections, facial numbness, no shock absorbers on my chair (w/ only a small area of cement, the rest is off-road bumps), severe to moderate osteoporosis, problems sleeping but when i do i wake up with back braking spasms, people to call, school stuff. i call all of this stuff a challenge. if things get worse then i challenge myself to except it and move on. luke ps i'm not saying i haven't been depressed since i had my accident. i tried to kill myself when i first got home after my accident and my little brother was the one that stopped me.__Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: [QUAD-L] i'm so depressed i could throw up
I hear you Silas the Frontier opened a whole new road for me and now I can get off the pavement and on the construction site, no more waiting on driveways and sidewalks for me! Lets get together and get a little mud on the tires! Mark ---Original Message--- From: Silas Shelburne Date: 07/15/05 08:08:12 To: Dana Miller; quad-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] i'm so depressed i could throw up You guys hang in there, I know what your going through. I went through a bout this past winter, it will get better. The new 4x4 has changed my life, I go right with the boys and farm hands. Before I couldn't get off the pavement. Hugs Silas - Original Message - From: "Dana Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <quad-list@eskimo.com> Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2005 12:57 PM Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] i'm so depressed i could throw up > > I have been feeling the same too. Just want to sleep. I fall asleep at the > computer, yet don't sleep well at night. I get out each day to take the dog > and we go on walks when its cool enough, but find myself day dreaming and > getting sleepy while doing that! I have no ambition to train Rocco. > Last week I was doing real well with that. Plus I started an acrylic paint > class here in the building which I enjoy. > I go see my rehab doc next week. Will talk to him about it. > > My family has rallied around me and will be helping me financially so I can > at least get the bills paid. Its hard to even write about it because I have > paid my own way for most of my life--except when I was in the hospital when > my neck was broken, but even then got disab ility checks from work each > week. > > I hate it that this has been done!! > > Dana and Rocco > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > - Original Message - > From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <quad-list@eskimo.com> > Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2005 6:45 PM > Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] i'm so depressed i could throw up > > >> >> I dunno, bobbie. I feel that way a lot too. I hurt so bad somedays. I >> don't >> get aggrevated anymore. I simply don't accept delivery. >> Last Saturday, my aid invited me to go watch her daughter play softball. A >> bunch of nine year old girls that don't play all that well. I didn't have >> anything to do, so I went. Her daughter was thrilled! I was floored that >> anyone >> even cared. I watched and I saw some wonderful kids having a great time. >> They >> laughed. Some got hurt and cried. A few got mad and others just giggled >> and >> told secrets. Us, so called adults, were allowed to share and watch. I >> would >> have missed all that. >> Get out of the house. Go watch kids play baseball. Go shopping. Speaking >> as >> a somewhat ugly old man, I know I feel like I'd rather not wake up from >> time >> to time. But I hate getting upset more than anything else. I know that >> life >> is a gift. It isn't mine to destroy. Sometimes, it just plain sucks. If I >> don't try to enjoy my life, then it is my fault that it sucks. >> >> john >> >> >> In a message dated 7/12/2005 4:30:49 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: >> >> i can't take this shit any morei just want to fall asleeo and never >> wake >> up ever again what am i going to miss, more agravation? >> >> >> >> > >
Re: [QUAD-L] i'm so depressed i could throw up
why won't voc rehab send you to school? dave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i'm 22, 5 yrs post, live with my mom, out in the middle of nowhere (no neighbors). i rarely see my friends(they are all in college). broke up with my girlfriend of almost 4yrs about 2yrs ago. i am a virgin. i have pain, spasms, infections, facial numbness, no shock absorbers on my chair (w/ only a small area of cement, the rest is off-road bumps), severe to moderate osteoporosis, problems sleeping but when i do i wake up with back braking spasms, people to call, school stuff. i call all of this stuff a challenge. if things get worse then i challenge myself to except it and move on. luke ps i'm not saying i haven't been depressed since i had my accident. i tried to kill myself when i first got home after my accident and my little brother was the one that stopped me.Dave(what's a quad?) Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page
Re: [QUAD-L] i'm so depressed i could throw up
i'm 22, 5 yrs post, live with my mom, out in the middle of nowhere (no neighbors). i rarely see my friends(they are all in college). broke up with my girlfriend of almost 4yrs about 2yrs ago. i am a virgin. i have pain, spasms, infections, facial numbness, no shock absorbers on my chair (w/ only a small area of cement, the rest is off-road bumps), severe to moderate osteoporosis, problems sleeping but when i do i wake up with back braking spasms, people to call, school stuff. i call all of this stuff a challenge. if things get worse then i challenge myself to except it and move on. luke ps i'm not saying i haven't been depressed since i had my accident. i tried to kill myself when i first got home after my accident and my little brother was the one that stopped me.
Re: [QUAD-L] i'm so depressed i could throw up
You guys hang in there, I know what your going through. I went through a bout this past winter, it will get better. The new 4x4 has changed my life, I go right with the boys and farm hands. Before I couldn't get off the pavement. Hugs Silas - Original Message - From: "Dana Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2005 12:57 PM Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] i'm so depressed i could throw up > > I have been feeling the same too. Just want to sleep. I fall asleep at the > computer, yet don't sleep well at night. I get out each day to take the dog > and we go on walks when its cool enough, but find myself day dreaming and > getting sleepy while doing that! I have no ambition to train Rocco. > Last week I was doing real well with that. Plus I started an acrylic paint > class here in the building which I enjoy. > I go see my rehab doc next week. Will talk to him about it. > > My family has rallied around me and will be helping me financially so I can > at least get the bills paid. Its hard to even write about it because I have > paid my own way for most of my life--except when I was in the hospital when > my neck was broken, but even then got disab ility checks from work each > week. > > I hate it that this has been done!! > > Dana and Rocco > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > - Original Message - > From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; > Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2005 6:45 PM > Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] i'm so depressed i could throw up > > >> >> I dunno, bobbie. I feel that way a lot too. I hurt so bad somedays. I >> don't >> get aggrevated anymore. I simply don't accept delivery. >> Last Saturday, my aid invited me to go watch her daughter play softball. A >> bunch of nine year old girls that don't play all that well. I didn't have >> anything to do, so I went. Her daughter was thrilled! I was floored that >> anyone >> even cared. I watched and I saw some wonderful kids having a great time. >> They >> laughed. Some got hurt and cried. A few got mad and others just giggled >> and >> told secrets. Us, so called adults, were allowed to share and watch. I >> would >> have missed all that. >> Get out of the house. Go watch kids play baseball. Go shopping. Speaking >> as >> a somewhat ugly old man, I know I feel like I'd rather not wake up from >> time >> to time. But I hate getting upset more than anything else. I know that >> life >> is a gift. It isn't mine to destroy. Sometimes, it just plain sucks. If I >> don't try to enjoy my life, then it is my fault that it sucks. >> >> john >> >> >> In a message dated 7/12/2005 4:30:49 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: >> >> i can't take this shit any morei just want to fall asleeo and never >> wake >> up ever again what am i going to miss, more agravation? >> >> >> >> > >
RE: [QUAD-L] i'm so depressed i could throw up
Some people need help out of their mental state. A comforting word is too much to ask? While I can take almost anything thrown at ME, I realize there are lots of people who can't. Some of us have been tempered by conditioning which took place before our disability, others are not as lucky. Clincaly there are 3 major souces (causes) of depression, Medical (chemical or hormonal), Physcological, and despair. Only despair can be influenced by friends and the lack of them (imagined or real) can be devastating. Sometimes listening can be all the medicine required. (that's what shrinks do) Stunt > > "Trust me, none of us on this list are so underprivileged as to have any real issues to be depressed over for an extended period of time." > > that's your diagnostic phrase that is incredibly shallow. it's like you think you know everyone's situation and on top of that, you write off depression as a non-real ailment. or at least that no quad here on a vent, completely immobile has any right to be depressed. you think depresasion is linked to the underpriviledged? do you remember freddy prinze or curt cobain blowing their brains out? i wouldn't consider them underprivilidged - but i WOULD class them as severely depressed. blanket ALL and NEVER statements are very foolish to blurt out. they can also be very hurtfull to some. your psycho-diagnosis is not why we are here. > dave > > > > > > > Aaron Mann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > How do you compare a ridiculous statement like what Carol said w/ what I said?!? I assume that you have a "deeper" more meaningful response? I was just trying to convey that our often self diagnosed depression is merely the lack of knowing what is possible to do in life anymore. None of us here are professionals, that I know of, so anything that is said is just an opinion and a way that each of us deals with things. > > I apologize if it was a shallow opinion, but I don't believe that dwelling on the negative can bring about positive results. Who would Bobbie miss? Maybe the diverse and sometimes ridiculous discussions on this group? I don't know. But, the best way I know to help someone who's depressed is to not focus on their depression. Get them involved in something, get them pissed enough about something that they want to do something, whatever works to get the person back into the life that surrounds us all. > > You may or may not ever take me serious again, but that is for you to decide. I care what people think and would like to know how you came to your conclusions about my comments below. >
RE: [QUAD-L] i'm so depressed i could throw up
"Trust me, none of us on this list are so underprivileged as to have any real issues to be depressed over for an extended period of time." that's your diagnostic phrase that is incredibly shallow. it's like you think you know everyone's situation and on top of that, you write off depression as a non-real ailment. or at least that no quad here on a vent, completely immobile has any right to be depressed. you think depresasion is linked to the underpriviledged? do you remember freddy prinze or curt cobain blowing their brains out? i wouldn't consider them underprivilidged - but i WOULD class them as severely depressed. blanket ALL and NEVER statements are very foolish to blurt out. they can also be very hurtfull to some. your psycho-diagnosis is not why we are here. dave Aaron Mann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: How do you compare a ridiculous statement like what Carol said w/ what I said?!? I assume that you have a "deeper" more meaningful response? I was just trying to convey that our often self diagnosed depression is merely the lack of knowing what is possible to do in life anymore. None of us here are professionals, that I know of, so anything that is said is just an opinion and a way that each of us deals with things. I apologize if it was a shallow opinion, but I don't believe that dwelling on the negative can bring about positive results. Who would Bobbie miss? Maybe the diverse and sometimes ridiculous discussions on this group? I don't know. But, the best way I know to help someone who's depressed is to not focus on their depression. Get them involved in something, get them pissed enough about something that they want to do something, whatever works to get the person back into the life that surrounds us all. You may or may not ever take me serious again, but that is for you to decide. I care what people think and would like to know how you came to your conclusions about my comments below. From: Ol' Man River [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2005 2:36 PMTo: Approval Department; quad-list@eskimo.comSubject: RE: [QUAD-L] i'm so depressed i could throw up what an incredibly shallow response... this reads like "i'm not depressed so you have no reason to be depressed either" you remind me of carol of new york who said, "why don't you all drop your petty bitches and concentrate on getting better, and walking" it will be hard to take you seriously ever again. dave Aaron Mann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: IMO, we American's are spoiled rotten. We get depressed over very little things compared to what others in the world must live with on a daily basis. Tired of bullshit, then stop spreading it. Trust me, none of us on this list are so underprivileged as to have any real issues to be depressed over for an extended period of time. We all have ups and downs, but our ups and downs are nothing. Definitions of depression on the Web: a mental state characterized by a pessimistic sense of inadequacy and a despondent lack of activity Depression is when you become so self-involved that all you see is yourself and no one else. My cure for depression: Find something that has nothing to do with how you benefit yourself and go do it. There is always someone or something worse off than yourself. If you cannot think of things to do at your level, then ask. I'm certain each of us can come up with at least three things that you can go do. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2005 10:45 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; quad-list@eskimo.comSubject: Re: [QUAD-L] i'm so depressed i could throw up Yes, i'm sure at times we all have felt that way, but even with all our problems, we survive like kings compared to quads in some other poor nationsI have seen programs on T.V. where quads and para's do not have hardly any help and no wheelchairs of ANY kindThey are so poor people place them in wagons and pull them to get them around. And though life is tough for us think of these poor mizerable souls. We just got to try and get by the best we can until our creator decides our time on earth is finished. I go thru highs and lows a lot, I think we all doyou'll be in my prayers. DanDave(what's a quad?) __Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Dave(what's a quad?)__Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
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I have been feeling the same too. Just want to sleep. I fall asleep at the computer, yet don't sleep well at night. I get out each day to take the dog and we go on walks when its cool enough, but find myself day dreaming and getting sleepy while doing that! I have no ambition to train Rocco. Last week I was doing real well with that. Plus I started an acrylic paint class here in the building which I enjoy. I go see my rehab doc next week. Will talk to him about it. My family has rallied around me and will be helping me financially so I can at least get the bills paid. Its hard to even write about it because I have paid my own way for most of my life--except when I was in the hospital when my neck was broken, but even then got disab ility checks from work each week. I hate it that this has been done!! Dana and Rocco [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2005 6:45 PM Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] i'm so depressed i could throw up I dunno, bobbie. I feel that way a lot too. I hurt so bad somedays. I don't get aggrevated anymore. I simply don't accept delivery. Last Saturday, my aid invited me to go watch her daughter play softball. A bunch of nine year old girls that don't play all that well. I didn't have anything to do, so I went. Her daughter was thrilled! I was floored that anyone even cared. I watched and I saw some wonderful kids having a great time. They laughed. Some got hurt and cried. A few got mad and others just giggled and told secrets. Us, so called adults, were allowed to share and watch. I would have missed all that. Get out of the house. Go watch kids play baseball. Go shopping. Speaking as a somewhat ugly old man, I know I feel like I'd rather not wake up from time to time. But I hate getting upset more than anything else. I know that life is a gift. It isn't mine to destroy. Sometimes, it just plain sucks. If I don't try to enjoy my life, then it is my fault that it sucks. john In a message dated 7/12/2005 4:30:49 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: i can't take this shit any morei just want to fall asleeo and never wake up ever again what am i going to miss, more agravation?
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How do you compare a ridiculous statement like what Carol said w/ what I said?!? I assume that you have a "deeper" more meaningful response? I was just trying to convey that our often self diagnosed depression is merely the lack of knowing what is possible to do in life anymore. None of us here are professionals, that I know of, so anything that is said is just an opinion and a way that each of us deals with things. I apologize if it was a shallow opinion, but I don't believe that dwelling on the negative can bring about positive results. Who would Bobbie miss? Maybe the diverse and sometimes ridiculous discussions on this group? I don't know. But, the best way I know to help someone who's depressed is to not focus on their depression. Get them involved in something, get them pissed enough about something that they want to do something, whatever works to get the person back into the life that surrounds us all. You may or may not ever take me serious again, but that is for you to decide. I care what people think and would like to know how you came to your conclusions about my comments below. From: Ol' Man River [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2005 2:36 PMTo: Approval Department; quad-list@eskimo.comSubject: RE: [QUAD-L] i'm so depressed i could throw up what an incredibly shallow response... this reads like "i'm not depressed so you have no reason to be depressed either" you remind me of carol of new york who said, "why don't you all drop your petty bitches and concentrate on getting better, and walking" it will be hard to take you seriously ever again. dave Aaron Mann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: IMO, we American's are spoiled rotten. We get depressed over very little things compared to what others in the world must live with on a daily basis. Tired of bullshit, then stop spreading it. Trust me, none of us on this list are so underprivileged as to have any real issues to be depressed over for an extended period of time. We all have ups and downs, but our ups and downs are nothing. Definitions of depression on the Web: a mental state characterized by a pessimistic sense of inadequacy and a despondent lack of activity Depression is when you become so self-involved that all you see is yourself and no one else. My cure for depression: Find something that has nothing to do with how you benefit yourself and go do it. There is always someone or something worse off than yourself. If you cannot think of things to do at your level, then ask. I'm certain each of us can come up with at least three things that you can go do. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2005 10:45 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; quad-list@eskimo.comSubject: Re: [QUAD-L] i'm so depressed i could throw up Yes, i'm sure at times we all have felt that way, but even with all our problems, we survive like kings compared to quads in some other poor nationsI have seen programs on T.V. where quads and para's do not have hardly any help and no wheelchairs of ANY kindThey are so poor people place them in wagons and pull them to get them around. And though life is tough for us think of these poor mizerable souls. We just got to try and get by the best we can until our creator decides our time on earth is finished. I go thru highs and lows a lot, I think we all doyou'll be in my prayers. DanDave(what's a quad?) __Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
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what an incredibly shallow response... this reads like "i'm not depressed so you have no reason to be depressed either" you remind me of carol of new york who said, "why don't you all drop your petty bitches and concentrate on getting better, and walking" it will be hard to take you seriously ever again. dave Aaron Mann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: IMO, we American's are spoiled rotten. We get depressed over very little things compared to what others in the world must live with on a daily basis. Tired of bullshit, then stop spreading it. Trust me, none of us on this list are so underprivileged as to have any real issues to be depressed over for an extended period of time. We all have ups and downs, but our ups and downs are nothing. Definitions of depression on the Web: a mental state characterized by a pessimistic sense of inadequacy and a despondent lack of activity Depression is when you become so self-involved that all you see is yourself and no one else. My cure for depression: Find something that has nothing to do with how you benefit yourself and go do it. There is always someone or something worse off than yourself. If you cannot think of things to do at your level, then ask. I'm certain each of us can come up with at least three things that you can go do. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2005 10:45 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; quad-list@eskimo.comSubject: Re: [QUAD-L] i'm so depressed i could throw up Yes, i'm sure at times we all have felt that way, but even with all our problems, we survive like kings compared to quads in some other poor nationsI have seen programs on T.V. where quads and para's do not have hardly any help and no wheelchairs of ANY kindThey are so poor people place them in wagons and pull them to get them around. And though life is tough for us think of these poor mizerable souls. We just got to try and get by the best we can until our creator decides our time on earth is finished. I go thru highs and lows a lot, I think we all doyou'll be in my prayers. DanDave(what's a quad?)__Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
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That's the spirit! - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; quad-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2005 11:30 AM Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] i'm so depressed i could throw up Trust me, none of us on this list are so underprivileged as to have any real issues to be depressed over for an extended period of time. F U
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RIGHT ON STUNTMAN, LIFE GOES BY TO QUICKLY. WHEELCHAIR WARRIORStuntman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: You might miss somebody having a EURIKA moment on healing nerve tissue.You would miss NASCAR, Sunrises and sunsets, a childs smile as it chases a butterfly, listening to AB's bitch about their trivial problems, and laughing on the inside at their stupidity.The grim reaper will be there when it's your time and the final solution will be ..., and after that... no more surprises.Stick around and laugh at us sick people.I mknow I'm crazy, but it's the only thing keeping me from going insane.Stunt> i can't take this shit any more i just want to fall asleeo and never wake > up ever again what am i going to miss, more agravation?> > -- Freedom: United States Constitution© 1791 All Rights PreservedMy first Domainhttp://nw-in.com/index.htmlhttp://quads.nw-in.com/quad-enter.htmlPicshttp://quads.nw-in.com/quad-list/quad-list1.htmHome page. http://tnthompson0.tripod.com/homeincyberspace/Computer Graphics portfolio. http://tnthompson1.tripod.com/index.htm__Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: [QUAD-L] i'm so depressed i could throw up
Clinical depression can cause a person's death. Quadriplegia is a big deal in life. It gets you clinically depressed fast. You can talk to any doctor and not be ashamed. A lot of people try to describe depression as self-pity. I get depressed just thinking about some of the stupid things I have heard said about depression. Go talk to a shrink, or your pastor, or a GP and get a referral. Don't believe the people saying depression is treatable by "thinking happy thoughts". If you could do that you wouldn't be depressed. You don't heal broken bones by beating them with blunt objects. Go get help. You aren't suppose to feel that bad. john In a message dated 7/13/2005 9:58:27 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: IMO, we American's are spoiled rotten. We get depressed over very little things compared to what others in the world must live with on a daily basis. Tired of bullshit, then stop spreading it. Trust me, none of us on this list are so underprivileged as to have any real issues to be depressed over for an extended period of time. We all have ups and downs, but our ups and downs are nothing. Definitions of depression on the Web: a mental state characterized by a pessimistic sense of inadequacy and a despondent lack of activity Depression is when you become so self-involved that all you see is yourself and no one else. My cure for depression: Find something that has nothing to do with how you benefit yourself and go do it. There is always someone or something worse off than yourself. If you cannot think of things to do at your level, then ask. I'm certain each of us can come up with at least three things that you can go do. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2005 10:45 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; quad-list@eskimo.comSubject: Re: [QUAD-L] i'm so depressed i could throw up Yes, i'm sure at times we all have felt that way, but even with all our problems, we survive like kings compared to quads in some other poor nationsI have seen programs on T.V. where quads and para's do not have hardly any help and no wheelchairs of ANY kindThey are so poor people place them in wagons and pull them to get them around. And though life is tough for us think of these poor mizerable souls. We just got to try and get by the best we can until our creator decides our time on earth is finished. I go thru highs and lows a lot, I think we all doyou'll be in my prayers. Dan
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Lol. I would reply but mite get a F U.
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Hi Bobbie, I am sorry to hear you haven't shook the blues yet. You ask what would you miss if you feel asleep and never woke-up? I don't know everything I'd miss, and neither do you, but the only we'll find out what tomorrow will bring is to be here to see. I do know I'm miss the sunrise if I didn't wake-up, and without a doubt I'd miss you if you didn't wake-up. I will keep you in my prayers. Stay strong, and feel free to email me if I can help in any way! With Love, CtrlAltDel aka DaveC4/5 Complete - 29 Years PostTexas, USA [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i can't take this shit any more i just want to fall asleeo and never wake up ever again what am i going to miss, more agravation?
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Now we're getting somewhere. Anger is much easier to deal with. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2005 10:31 AMTo: Aaron Mann; quad-list@eskimo.comSubject: Re: [QUAD-L] i'm so depressed i could throw up Trust me, none of us on this list are so underprivileged as to have any real issues to be depressed over for an extended period of time. F U
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In a message dated 7/13/05 10:32:13 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << Trust me, none of us on this list are so underprivileged as to have any real issues to be depressed over for an extended period of time. F U >> [EMAIL PROTECTED]'s wonderful scent of humor! She will be here long after most have departed on an ealier flight to meet their maker. W
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Trust me, none of us on this list are so underprivileged as to have any real issues to be depressed over for an extended period of time. F U
RE: [QUAD-L] i'm so depressed i could throw up
IMO, we American's are spoiled rotten. We get depressed over very little things compared to what others in the world must live with on a daily basis. Tired of bullshit, then stop spreading it. Trust me, none of us on this list are so underprivileged as to have any real issues to be depressed over for an extended period of time. We all have ups and downs, but our ups and downs are nothing. Definitions of depression on the Web: a mental state characterized by a pessimistic sense of inadequacy and a despondent lack of activity Depression is when you become so self-involved that all you see is yourself and no one else. My cure for depression: Find something that has nothing to do with how you benefit yourself and go do it. There is always someone or something worse off than yourself. If you cannot think of things to do at your level, then ask. I'm certain each of us can come up with at least three things that you can go do. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2005 10:45 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; quad-list@eskimo.comSubject: Re: [QUAD-L] i'm so depressed i could throw up Yes, i'm sure at times we all have felt that way, but even with all our problems, we survive like kings compared to quads in some other poor nationsI have seen programs on T.V. where quads and para's do not have hardly any help and no wheelchairs of ANY kindThey are so poor people place them in wagons and pull them to get them around. And though life is tough for us think of these poor mizerable souls. We just got to try and get by the best we can until our creator decides our time on earth is finished. I go thru highs and lows a lot, I think we all doyou'll be in my prayers. Dan
[QUAD-L] i'm so depressed i could throw up
Begin forwarded message: From: River Wolfe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: July 13, 2005 9:06:26 AM EDT To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], Quad Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] i'm so depressed i could throw up No, a pill will not change your situation, but it can help you change your feelings of despair about your situation. Or you could always convert to Scientology (sarcasm intended ;-) River On Jul 12, 2005, at 7:07 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Please consider medication, it can give you the energy to get out of bed and put up a little fight for what is your right. a pill is not going to change my situation "sometimes i fly like an eagle and sometimes i'm deep in despair" John Denver
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No, a pill will not change your situation, but it can help you change your feelings of despair about your situation. Or you could always convert to Scientology (sarcasm intended ;-) River On Jul 12, 2005, at 7:07 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Please consider medication, it can give you the energy to get out of bed and put up a little fight for what is your right. a pill is not going to change my situation "sometimes i fly like an eagle and sometimes i'm deep in despair" John Denver
Re: [QUAD-L] i'm so depressed i could throw up
Yes, i'm sure at times we all have felt that way, but even with all our problems, we survive like kings compared to quads in some other poor nationsI have seen programs on T.V. where quads and para's do not have hardly any help and no wheelchairs of ANY kindThey are so poor people place them in wagons and pull them to get them around. And though life is tough for us think of these poor mizerable souls. We just got to try and get by the best we can until our creator decides our time on earth is finished. I go thru highs and lows a lot, I think we all doyou'll be in my prayers. Dan
Re: [QUAD-L] i'm so depressed i could throw up
You might miss somebody having a EURIKA moment on healing nerve tissue. You would miss NASCAR, Sunrises and sunsets, a childs smile as it chases a butterfly, listening to AB's bitch about their trivial problems, and laughing on the inside at their stupidity. The grim reaper will be there when it's your time and the final solution will be ..., and after that... no more surprises. Stick around and laugh at us sick people. I mknow I'm crazy, but it's the only thing keeping me from going insane. Stunt > i can't take this shit any morei just want to fall asleeo and never wake > up ever again what am i going to miss, more agravation? > > -- Freedom: United States Constitution© 1791 All Rights Preserved My first Domain http://nw-in.com/index.html http://quads.nw-in.com/quad-enter.html Pics http://quads.nw-in.com/quad-list/quad-list1.htm Home page. http://tnthompson0.tripod.com/homeincyberspace/ Computer Graphics portfolio. http://tnthompson1.tripod.com/index.htm
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I dunno, bobbie. I feel that way a lot too. I hurt so bad somedays. I don't get aggrevated anymore. I simply don't accept delivery. Last Saturday, my aid invited me to go watch her daughter play softball. A bunch of nine year old girls that don't play all that well. I didn't have anything to do, so I went. Her daughter was thrilled! I was floored that anyone even cared. I watched and I saw some wonderful kids having a great time. They laughed. Some got hurt and cried. A few got mad and others just giggled and told secrets. Us, so called adults, were allowed to share and watch. I would have missed all that. Get out of the house. Go watch kids play baseball. Go shopping. Speaking as a somewhat ugly old man, I know I feel like I'd rather not wake up from time to time. But I hate getting upset more than anything else. I know that life is a gift. It isn't mine to destroy. Sometimes, it just plain sucks. If I don't try to enjoy my life, then it is my fault that it sucks. john In a message dated 7/12/2005 4:30:49 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: i can't take this shit any more i just want to fall asleeo and never wake up ever again what am i going to miss, more agravation?
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Bobbie, I have these feelings too and I'm sure I will again, It's a constant struggle being a quad as you know. I don't know what you'd miss but I'm sure there's some people you'd miss and they'd would miss you too. Try to find something to keep you occupied, staying busy is a must for me or I'd just lose it too. Mark ---Original Message--- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 07/12/05 15:41:39 To: quad-list@eskimo.com Subject: [QUAD-L] i'm so depressed i could throw up i can't take this shit any more i just want to fall asleeo and never wake up ever again what am i going to miss, more agravation?
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Dear Bobbie: I wish I could tell you it'll get better, but I don't think it will. That is, if you're referring to the problems you're facing with Medicaid. Our funding for Medicaid in Ohio has been slashed as well, the implications won't begin for another year, as people begin to be denied the care they need. I'm so angry sometimes I just want to scream, and cry, and commit violent crimes. The climate in this country is mean, cold and uncaring. I used to go to the grocery store and have people trip over themselves to help me empty my cart at the checkout line, now they won't even look at me. Now I have to ask for help or have the cashier empty the cart. We are all struggling (except for the wealthy beneficiaries of tax-cuts and corporate welfare) so much that we can only care for our family, and we barely do that. The only thing I can say to you is that the nature of things is such that when there is dark there must come light, when there is sadness there must come happiness - for what would sadness be without happiness? Please consider medication, it can give you the energy to get out of bed and put up a little fight for what is your right. Who would miss you if you were gone? peaceandlovingkindness, River www.airamericaradio.com On Jul 12, 2005, at 4:22 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i can't take this shit any more i just want to fall asleeo and never wake up ever again what am i going to miss, more agravation?
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What is so horribly depressing in your life? From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2005 3:23 PMTo: quad-list@eskimo.comSubject: [QUAD-L] i'm so depressed i could throw up i can't take this shit any more i just want to fall asleeo and never wake up ever again what am i going to miss, more agravation?
[QUAD-L] i'm so depressed i could throw up
i can't take this shit any more i just want to fall asleeo and never wake up ever again what am i going to miss, more agravation?
