Re: [QUAD-L] question about contracting muscles atrophying, etc.

2017-06-11 Thread Bryce Willis 
About the best treatment is exercise/movement that keeps the joints and muscles 
from becoming stiff. The hard part is finding someone to do this everyday. It 
has to begin before the stiffness sets in. It's very hard to reverse the 
process.

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On Jun 11, 2017, at 6:06 PM, Dave Krehbiel 
mailto:davekrehb...@earthlink.net>> wrote:

Regarding contraction, while in a nursing home, I had a similar problem to a 
lesser extent. In order to straighten my arms, they attached some sort of a 
pillow or a brace to each arm to try to straighten each arm and to help hold it 
straight. This sounds to me like a job for a physical therapist or occupational 
therapist. It helped me. After using the device, I have become a better 
extending and straightening my arms while in bed.

In the long-term, you might consider e-stim. If your biceps are contracted, 
that means that your triceps are extending and lengthening. You can 
electrically stimulate your triceps, and other muscles, to help them contract 
and strengthen. If you have partial control over your triceps, this can help 
you increase that control.

If you Google estim, unfortunately, you will find a number of sexually related 
devices.

But here is a place you can start: http://www.lgmedsupply.com/tensproducts.html

after the system has been selected and configured and placed on the appropriate 
muscles, is relatively easy for people who are not physical therapists to 
attach the pads and device.

Has anyone else tried this? How did this work for you?

Take care,

Dave Krehbiel
Olney, MD


From: DEBRA DEW [mailto:n14...@hotmail.com]
Sent: Sunday, June 11, 2017 11:01 AM
To: quad-list@eskimo.com<mailto:quad-list@eskimo.com>
Subject: [QUAD-L] question about contracting muscles atrophying, etc.


my arms and legs are contracted at about a   45° angle,, which makes sitting in 
a wheelchair rather awkward with my legs..





I've seen pictures of long-term paralysis patients, aand eventually their knees 
are touching their bottom and there hands are touching their chin. Looks very 
uncomfortable and like a pretzel. Years ago I inquired about what could be done 
 to stop the progression, and I was told they would have to put braces on me 
that are very bulky and uncomfortable, so I  decided not to do that. It's hard 
enough to maintain comfort now without that, on top of it.



My life expectancy is about another 20 years, and I really do wonder what's 
going to happen to my body with these contractions  of my muscles. Please share 
whatever knowledge you possess about this.  And I wonder if I had physical 
therapy, If it would have done anything  to make me more comfortable.  I have 
one CNA that moves my arms  ggently to open them  and it does feel good while 
she is doing it.  I had physical therapy for a few months, that my insurance 
stopped paying for it quite quickly  (Medicaid).. Is there any way to force 
Medicaid to provide for physical therapy?





I found this in an encyclopedia:Even with "complete" injuries, in some rare 
cases, through intensive rehabilitation, slight movement can be regained 
through "rewiring" neural 
connections<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synaptic_plasticity>, as in the case 
of the late actor Christopher 
Reeve<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_Reeve>.[9]<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tetraplegia#cite_note-9>







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Formerly: Homeschooling mom of 9 and pvt. pilot
Currently: Quadrapeligic due to advanced MS and living in a nursing home
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Re: [QUAD-L] question about contracting muscles atrophying, etc.

2017-06-11 Thread wheelchair 
Were they called or referred to as BFOs?
 
Best Wishes
 
 
In a message dated 6/11/2017 5:05:58 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  
davekrehb...@earthlink.net writes:

 
Regarding  contraction, while in a nursing home, I had a similar problem to 
a lesser  extent. In order to straighten my arms, they attached some sort 
of a pillow or  a brace to each arm to try to straighten each arm and to help 
hold it  straight. This sounds to me like a job for a physical therapist or 
 occupational therapist. It helped me. After using the device, I have 
become a  better extending and straightening my arms while in bed. 
In  the long-term, you might consider e-stim. If your biceps are 
contracted, that  means that your triceps are extending and lengthening. You 
can 
electrically  stimulate your triceps, and other muscles, to help them contract 
and  strengthen. If you have partial control over your triceps, this can help 
you  increase that control. 
If  you Google estim, unfortunately, you will find a number of sexually 
related  devices. 
But  here is a place you can start: 
http://www.lgmedsupply.com/tensproducts.html 
after  the system has been selected and configured and placed on the 
appropriate  muscles, is relatively easy for people who are not physical 
therapists to  attach the pads and device. 
Has  anyone else tried this? How did this work for you? 
Take  care, 
Dave  Krehbiel 
Olney,  MD 
 
 
From: DEBRA DEW  [mailto:n14...@hotmail.com] 
Sent: Sunday, June 11, 2017 11:01  AM
To: quad-list@eskimo.com
Subject: [QUAD-L] question  about contracting muscles atrophying, etc.

 
my arms and  legs are contracted at about a   45° angle,, which makes 
sitting in a  wheelchair rather awkward with my legs.. 
I've seen  pictures of long-term paralysis patients, aand  eventually their 
knees are touching their bottom and there hands are  touching their chin. 
Looks very uncomfortable and like a pretzel. Years ago I  inquired about what 
could be done  to stop the progression, and I was  told they would have to 
put braces on me that are very bulky and  uncomfortable, so I  decided not 
to do that. It's hard enough to maintain  comfort now without that, on top of 
it. 
My life  expectancy is about another 20 years, and I really do wonder 
what's going to  happen to my body with these contractions  of my muscles. 
Please 
share  whatever knowledge you possess about this.  And I wonder if I had  
physical therapy, If it would have done anything  to make me  more 
comfortable.  I have one CNA that moves my arms  ggently  to open them  and it 
does 
feel good while she is doing it.  I had  physical therapy for a few months, 
that my insurance stopped paying for it  quite quickly  (Medicaid).. Is there 
any way to force Medicaid to provide  for physical therapy? 
I found  this in an encyclopedia:Even  with "complete" injuries, in some 
rare cases, through intensive  rehabilitation, slight movement can be regained 
through _"rewiring" neural connections_ 
(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synaptic_plasticity) ,  as in the case of the 
late actor _Christopher Reeve_ 
(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_Reeve) ._[9]_ 
(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tetraplegia#cite_note-9)  
Debra Scruggs-Scruggs  phalanx-dragon slayers -PRISONER OF HOPE ZECH. 9 
 
 
Formerly: Homeschooling  mom of 9 and pvt. pilot
Currently: Quadrapeligic due to  advanced MS and living in a nursing home
Phone:  561-588-4333
SC student 20yrs   
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RE: [QUAD-L] question about contracting muscles atrophying, etc.

2017-06-11 Thread Dave Krehbiel 
Regarding contraction, while in a nursing home, I had a similar problem to a
lesser extent. In order to straighten my arms, they attached some sort of a
pillow or a brace to each arm to try to straighten each arm and to help hold
it straight. This sounds to me like a job for a physical therapist or
occupational therapist. It helped me. After using the device, I have become
a better extending and straightening my arms while in bed.



In the long-term, you might consider e-stim. If your biceps are contracted,
that means that your triceps are extending and lengthening. You can
electrically stimulate your triceps, and other muscles, to help them
contract and strengthen. If you have partial control over your triceps, this
can help you increase that control.



If you Google estim, unfortunately, you will find a number of sexually
related devices.



But here is a place you can start:
http://www.lgmedsupply.com/tensproducts.html



after the system has been selected and configured and placed on the
appropriate muscles, is relatively easy for people who are not physical
therapists to attach the pads and device.



Has anyone else tried this? How did this work for you?



Take care,



Dave Krehbiel

Olney, MD





From: DEBRA DEW [mailto:n14...@hotmail.com]
Sent: Sunday, June 11, 2017 11:01 AM
To: quad-list@eskimo.com
Subject: [QUAD-L] question about contracting muscles atrophying, etc.



my arms and legs are contracted at about a   45° angle,, which makes sitting
in a wheelchair rather awkward with my legs..





I've seen pictures of long-term paralysis patients, aand eventually their
knees are touching their bottom and there hands are touching their chin.
Looks very uncomfortable and like a pretzel. Years ago I inquired about what
could be done  to stop the progression, and I was told they would have to
put braces on me that are very bulky and uncomfortable, so I  decided not to
do that. It's hard enough to maintain comfort now without that, on top of
it.



My life expectancy is about another 20 years, and I really do wonder what's
going to happen to my body with these contractions  of my muscles. Please
share whatever knowledge you possess about this.  And I wonder if I had
physical therapy, If it would have done anything  to make me more
comfortable.  I have one CNA that moves my arms  ggently to open them  and
it does feel good while she is doing it.  I had physical therapy for a few
months, that my insurance stopped paying for it quite quickly  (Medicaid)..
Is there any way to force Medicaid to provide for physical therapy?





I found this in an encyclopedia:Even with "complete" injuries, in some rare
cases, through intensive rehabilitation, slight movement can be regained
through  <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synaptic_plasticity> "rewiring"
neural connections, as in the case of the late actor
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_Reeve> Christopher Reeve.
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tetraplegia#cite_note-9> [9]







Debra Scruggs-Scruggs phalanx-dragon slayers -PRISONER OF HOPE ZECH. 9

Formerly: Homeschooling mom of 9 and pvt. pilot
Currently: Quadrapeligic due to advanced MS and living in a nursing home
Phone: 561-588-4333
SC student 20yrs
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[QUAD-L] question about contracting muscles atrophying, etc.

2017-06-11 Thread DEBRA DEW 
my arms and legs are contracted at about a   45° angle,, which makes sitting in 
a wheelchair rather awkward with my legs..



I've seen pictures of long-term paralysis patients, aand eventually their knees 
are touching their bottom and there hands are touching their chin. Looks very 
uncomfortable and like a pretzel. Years ago I inquired about what could be done 
 to stop the progression, and I was told they would have to put braces on me 
that are very bulky and uncomfortable, so I  decided not to do that. It's hard 
enough to maintain comfort now without that, on top of it.


My life expectancy is about another 20 years, and I really do wonder what's 
going to happen to my body with these contractions  of my muscles. Please share 
whatever knowledge you possess about this.  And I wonder if I had physical 
therapy, If it would have done anything  to make me more comfortable.  I have 
one CNA that moves my arms  ggently to open them  and it does feel good while 
she is doing it.  I had physical therapy for a few months, that my insurance 
stopped paying for it quite quickly  (Medicaid).. Is there any way to force 
Medicaid to provide for physical therapy?



I found this in an encyclopedia:Even with "complete" injuries, in some rare 
cases, through intensive rehabilitation, slight movement can be regained 
through "rewiring" neural 
connections, as in the case 
of the late actor Christopher 
Reeve.[9]




Debra Scruggs-Scruggs phalanx-dragon slayers -PRISONER OF HOPE ZECH. 9

Formerly: Homeschooling mom of 9 and pvt. pilot
Currently: Quadrapeligic due to advanced MS and living in a nursing home
Phone: 561-588-4333
SC student 20yrs
ROMANS 8:28
B.I.B.L.E.-BASIC INSTRUCTIONS BEFORE LEAVING EARTH