Re: [QUAD-L] speaking of fakes
I didn't fake very long or very well. They figured me out pretty fast - I was a long time understanding exactly what they were about. Good riddance. Dave In a message dated 7/5/2006 7:51:20 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, DeLiMiTeD4 writes: I am having trouble imagining you trying to fdake being normal faking your a quad. Oohhmmaaann...i'm gettin a headache dave ands its your fault! lol john In a message dated 7/2/2006 7:56:17 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I think you are right on Mark. I joined one a few years ago just because I couldn't believe there was such an interest. There is and it seems to be very much a pity thing. All of them aren't brave enough to go out in public but the ones who do and then write about it are treated like gods. They REALLY hate anyone who is really paralyzed being in their group because we tend to 'judge' them. The girls will take pictures of themselves usually in short skirts and low tops so the guys get a great show of wheelchairs AND sex. What a life. The group I was in had about 1400 members. My last message got me booted - you can probably guess why. Dave Dave www.daveoconnell.com c3-inc-1967 Dave www.daveoconnell.com c3-inc-1967
Re: [QUAD-L] speaking of fakes
I am having trouble imagining you trying to fdake being normal faking your a quad. Oohhmmaaann...i'm gettin a headache dave ands its your fault! lol john In a message dated 7/2/2006 7:56:17 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I think you are right on Mark. I joined one a few years ago just because I couldn't believe there was such an interest. There is and it seems to be very much a pity thing. All of them aren't brave enough to go out in public but the ones who do and then write about it are treated like gods. They REALLY hate anyone who is really paralyzed being in their group because we tend to 'judge' them. The girls will take pictures of themselves usually in short skirts and low tops so the guys get a great show of wheelchairs AND sex. What a life. The group I was in had about 1400 members. My last message got me booted - you can probably guess why. Dave Dave www.daveoconnell.com c3-inc-1967
Re: [QUAD-L] speaking of fakes
Hi Lori, That is close to the name. Munchausen Syndrome refers to the bizarre psychiatric disorder in which patients fabricate symptoms and signs of disease in order to gain attention and sympathy. "Munchausen Syndrome by proxy," in which a parent, usually the mother, deliberately makes her child sick by administering laxatives, emetics, baking soda, insulin, or fecal matter. The parent secretly sabotages medical treatments and creates complications by various subterfuges. http://www.drhull.com/EncyMaster/M/Munchausen_syndrome.html With Love, Dave Kelmer, Texas Representative for SCIC Grouphttp://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/scic/C-4/5 Complete04/25/1976 - At the Age of 22Wichita Falls, TXFather & GrandfatherYahoo ID: davekelmer Lori Michaelson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: It is also called Munchausen's Syndrome by Proxy (MSP) and it is SICK!!! LORI ---Original Message--- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 7/3/2006 10:49:24 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; quad-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] speaking of fakes Some folks just want or crave attention.
Re: [QUAD-L] speaking of fakes
It is also called Munchausen's Syndrome by Proxy (MSP) and it is SICK!!! LORI ---Original Message--- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 7/3/2006 10:49:24 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; quad-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] speaking of fakes Some folks just want or crave attention.
Re: [QUAD-L] speaking of fakes
Most of us go through our lives never quite getting the attention that we feel we deserve from the people we most want it from. pretty sad AND true... my offspring have a lot of this. sometimes i think i set the bar too high just by being successful in my condition - like i can help that. it's a tuff one for them to overcome. i try to be very careful about giving them anything but praise, and considering some of the dumb things they do, that's tuff too. dave In a message dated 7/3/2006 10:49:24 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Some folks just want or crave attention. I can't pretend that I think wanting to be a quad isn't really bent.I've heard psych students do stunts like that to get a better insight on traumatic injury cases but thats a truely twisted crowd there. I was thinking that normal folks wanting to be in with us would be more along the munchhausen type disorder than transgender. I use to think you couldn't be this handicrapped and still be a racist. I've learned that racist sneek in everywhere I couldn't imagine anyone wanting to loose their health to this degree. It isn't the same a mis-assigned gender. I think that is played out beyond reality already. Why is it wrong for us to tell someone that their desire to be the other gender is wrong. After the transgender operations, are these people happy for the rest of their lives? From what I've rread, the numbers don't justify the alterations in most cases. (I don't remember where I read it.) Most of us go through our lives never quite getting the attention that we feel we deserve from the people we most want it from. I'm not saying we have to learn to live an unhappy life. I am saying that at a certain point we must take responsibility for our own happiness. If you are on this list under false pretenses, I would recommend you seek help. If you are here trying to understand a loved one, just say so. I'm always floored when I meet quads that are chasing away the few people that love them then remember it as "they left me." john 30yrs post C-5 In a message dated 7/2/2006 10:58:40 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hey everyone, I've been aware of the phenomenon of "wheelchair pretenders" for quite some time and haven't seen much discussion about it here on the quad list. At times, I wonder if everyone here is for real, but have usually let it go. What do others think and feel about these people who "need" to be in a chair or pretend to be amputees. This site http://www.transabled.org/mos/Frontpage/:states that it is a psychological need much like a person who is born female but their mind their emotions and everything else are programmed to be female - transgendered. I definitely feel there are some folks that fit the transgendered category, you can't help but admit some boys were meant to be girls and vice versa. BUT I definitelly don't believe some folks are born able-bodied and they are really supposed to be disabled, to me that's a "mental illness" that can be dealt with by lots of therapy. In my opinion, these are people who are seeking attention and sympathy, and or they get some sort of sexual satisfaction from pretending to be disabled. They make me wanna scream "go jump off a cliff or dive in the shallow end of a pool and stop pretending, see how you like it then" I simply don't get it. There's even a story of a woman who wanted to have her legs amputated for the hell of it, just to live life as an amputee. Hell, I say lets just send her to Iraq. Lets discuss this interesting topic. Peace, River= Dave www.daveoconnell.com c3-inc-1967
Re: [QUAD-L] speaking of fakes
I've heard psych students do stunts like that to get a better insight on traumatic injury cases but thats a truely twisted crowd there. I was thinking that normal folks wanting to be in with us would be more along the munchhausen type disorder than transgender. This is an excellent point John. I've had family and friends who I've talked in to sitting in a w/c and do everything the way I do so they have an idea "what it's like" It helped them quite a bit. Bobbie
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I try hard to show empathy toward folks with mental problems but, TRANSABLED!! Give me a break. How about paralyzed from the neck up? Definitely cut off their legs and crack their skulls and break their necks but do not give them money from medicare or medicaid or SSDI, OR SSI. DON'T EVEN GIVE THEM MY HANDICRAPPED PARKING SPACE! john In a message dated 7/2/2006 7:16:58 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: OK, I consider myself to be a fairly open-minded, non-judgemental person. However, this transabled business is absolutely sick. No one in his right mind would purposely welcome the suffering that we onthis list must endure. It nearly made me nauseous to read the web site below. Unbelievable.http://www.transabled.org/mos/Frontpage/>We've had this discussion on here before but it's pointless.>These people really get under my skin but hey what can you do?>>They also have websites and I've read some of their post before just to see>what they were talking about and it seems pity plays a big part because >they>like to talk about shopping and people trying to help them and them >refusing>help.>It seems they're so unaccomplished in their own lives and think that people>look up to them like they're really being heroic after a terrible accident>or something.>Then there are the wierd ones that really want to be paralyzed and ask>questions like which is the best and safest way to break your back!>These people could never handle actually being paralyzed in my opinion.>>>Mark>>>---Original Message--->>From: River Wolfe>Date: 07/02/06 09:58:55>To: Quad-List Quad-List>Subject: [QUAD-L] speaking of fakes>>Hey everyone,>>>I've been aware of the phenomenon of "wheelchair pretenders" for quite some>time and haven't seen much discussion about it here on the quad list. At>times, I wonder if everyone here is for real, but have usually let it go.>What do others think and feel about these people who "need" to be in a>chair or pretend to be amputees. This site http://www.transabled>org/mos/Frontpage/:states that it is a psychological need much like a >person>who is born female but their mind their emotions and everything else are>programmed to be female - transgendered. I definitely feel there are some>folks that fit the transgendered category, you can't help but admit some>boys were meant to be girls and vice versa. BUT I definitelly don't >believe>some folks are born able-bodied and they are really supposed to be >disabled,>to me that's a "mental illness" that can be dealt with by lots of therapy.>In my opinion, these are people who are seeking attention and sympathy, and>or they get some sort of sexual satisfaction from pretending to be >disabled.> They make me wanna scream "go jump off a cliff or dive in the shallow end>of a pool and stop pretending, see how you like it then" I simply don't >get>it.>>>There's even a story of a woman who wanted to have her legs amputated for>the hell of it, just to live life as an amputee. Hell, I say lets just >send>her to Iraq.>>>Lets discuss this interesting topic.>>>Peace,>>>River>
Re: [QUAD-L] speaking of fakes
That's where a TAZER comes in mighty handy. One jolt and you'll know the quads, paras. from the pretenders. lol W -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; quad-list@eskimo.comSent: Mon, 3 Jul 2006 13:48:23 EDTSubject: Re: [QUAD-L] speaking of fakes Some folks just want or crave attention. I can't pretend that I think wanting to be a quad isn't really bent.I've heard psych students do stunts like that to get a better insight on traumatic injury cases but thats a truely twisted crowd there. I was thinking that normal folks wanting to be in with us would be more along the munchhausen type disorder than transgender. I use to think you couldn't be this handicrapped and still be a racist. I've learned that racist sneek in everywhere I couldn't imagine anyone wanting to loose their health to this degree. It isn't the same a mis-assigned gender. I think that is played out beyond reality already. Why is it wrong for us to tell someone that their desire to be the other gender is wrong. After the transgender operations, are these people happy for the rest of their lives? From what I've rread, the numbers don't justify the alterations in most cases. (I don't remember where I read it.) Most of us go through our lives never quite getting the attention that we feel we deserve from the people we most want it from. I'm not saying we have to learn to live an unhappy life. I am saying that at a certain point we must take responsibility for our own happiness. If you are on this list under false pretenses, I would recommend you seek help. If you are here trying to understand a loved one, just say so. I'm always floored when I meet quads that are chasing away the few people that love them then remember it as "they left me." john 30yrs post C-5 In a message dated 7/2/2006 10:58:40 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hey everyone, I've been aware of the phenomenon of "wheelchair pretenders" for quite some time and haven't seen much discussion about it here on the quad list. At times, I wonder if everyone here is for real, but have usually let it go. What do others think and feel about these people who "need" to be in a chair or pretend to be amputees. This site http://www.transabled.org/mos/Frontpage/:states that it is a psychological need much like a person who is born female but their mind their emotions and everything else are programmed to be female - transgendered. I definitely feel there are some folks that fit the transgendered category, you can't help but admit some boys were meant to be girls and vice versa. BUT I definitelly don't believe some folks are born able-bodied and they are really supposed to be disabled, to me that's a "mental illness" that can be dealt with by lots of therapy. In my opinion, these ! are people who are seeking attention and sympathy, and or they get some sort of sexual satisfaction from pretending to be disabled. They make me wanna scream "go jump off a cliff or dive in the shallow end of a pool and stop pretending, see how you like it then" I simply don't get it. There's even a story of a woman who wanted to have her legs amputated for the hell of it, just to live life as an amputee. Hell, I say lets just send her to Iraq. Lets discuss this interesting topic. Peace, River= Check out AOL.com today. Breaking news, video search, pictures, email and IM. All on demand. Always Free.
Re: [QUAD-L] speaking of fakes
Some folks just want or crave attention. I can't pretend that I think wanting to be a quad isn't really bent.I've heard psych students do stunts like that to get a better insight on traumatic injury cases but thats a truely twisted crowd there. I was thinking that normal folks wanting to be in with us would be more along the munchhausen type disorder than transgender. I use to think you couldn't be this handicrapped and still be a racist. I've learned that racist sneek in everywhere I couldn't imagine anyone wanting to loose their health to this degree. It isn't the same a mis-assigned gender. I think that is played out beyond reality already. Why is it wrong for us to tell someone that their desire to be the other gender is wrong. After the transgender operations, are these people happy for the rest of their lives? From what I've rread, the numbers don't justify the alterations in most cases. (I don't remember where I read it.) Most of us go through our lives never quite getting the attention that we feel we deserve from the people we most want it from. I'm not saying we have to learn to live an unhappy life. I am saying that at a certain point we must take responsibility for our own happiness. If you are on this list under false pretenses, I would recommend you seek help. If you are here trying to understand a loved one, just say so. I'm always floored when I meet quads that are chasing away the few people that love them then remember it as "they left me." john 30yrs post C-5 In a message dated 7/2/2006 10:58:40 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hey everyone, I've been aware of the phenomenon of "wheelchair pretenders" for quite some time and haven't seen much discussion about it here on the quad list. At times, I wonder if everyone here is for real, but have usually let it go. What do others think and feel about these people who "need" to be in a chair or pretend to be amputees. This site http://www.transabled.org/mos/Frontpage/:states that it is a psychological need much like a person who is born female but their mind their emotions and everything else are programmed to be female - transgendered. I definitely feel there are some folks that fit the transgendered category, you can't help but admit some boys were meant to be girls and vice versa. BUT I definitelly don't believe some folks are born able-bodied and they are really supposed to be disabled, to me that's a "mental illness" that can be dealt with by lots of therapy. In my opinion, these are people who are seeking attention and sympathy, and or they get some sort of sexual satisfaction from pretending to be disabled. They make me wanna scream "go jump off a cliff or dive in the shallow end of a pool and stop pretending, see how you like it then" I simply don't get it. There's even a story of a woman who wanted to have her legs amputated for the hell of it, just to live life as an amputee. Hell, I say lets just send her to Iraq. Lets discuss this interesting topic. Peace, River=
FW: Re: FW: Re: [QUAD-L] speaking of fakes
Amen, Lori. From: "Lori Michaelson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: "Lori Michaelson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Quad" Subject: Re: FW: Re: [QUAD-L] speaking of fakes Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2006 16:51:43 -0700 Some people have it set up so they know how many people attend their web site [hits] so I would suggest not even going to this web site because, just by doing so, it gives them more of the attention they need. Setting up a web site for it says it all! It really irritates us when something like this goes on any popular show like Oprah [although very subtely]. As we see it, any person who has any perversion should not be given a public voice no matter what medium they choose! That is our opinion. Lori ---Original Message--- From: William Willis Date: 7/2/2006 4:16:50 PM To: quad-list@eskimo.com Subject: FW: Re: [QUAD-L] speaking of fakes OK, I consider myself to be a fairly open-minded, non-judgemental person. However, this transabled business is absolutely sick. No one in his right mind would purposely welcome the suffering that we onthis list must endure. It nearly made me nauseous to read the web site below. Unbelievable. http://www.transabled.org/mos/Frontpage/
Re: [QUAD-L] speaking of fakes
I think you are right on Mark. I joined one a few years ago just
because I couldn't believe there was such an interest. There is and it
seems to be very much a pity thing. All of them aren't brave enough to go
out in public but the ones who do and then write about it are treated like
gods. They REALLY hate anyone who is really paralyzed being in their group
because we tend to 'judge' them. The girls will take pictures of
themselves usually in short skirts and low tops so the guys get a great show of
wheelchairs AND sex. What a life. The group I was in had about 1400
members. My last message got me booted - you can probably guess why.
Dave
Dave
www.daveoconnell.com
c3-inc-1967
In a message dated 7/2/2006 2:32:28 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
We've had this discussion on here before but it's pointless.
These people really get under my skin but hey what can you
do?
They also have websites and I've read some of their post before
just to see what they were talking about and it seems pity plays a big
part because they like to talk about shopping and people trying to help
them and them refusing help.
It seems they're so unaccomplished in their own lives and
think that people look up to them like they're really
being heroic after a terrible accident or something.
Then there are the wierd ones that really want to be paralyzed and
ask questions like which is the best and safest way to break your
back!
These people could never handle actually being paralyzed in my
opinion.
Mark
---Original
Message---
From: River Wolfe
Date: 07/02/06
09:58:55
To: Quad-List Quad-List
Subject: [QUAD-L]
speaking of fakes
Hey everyone,
I've been aware of the phenomenon of "wheelchair pretenders" for
quite some time and haven't seen much discussion about it here on the
quad list. At times, I wonder if everyone here is for real, but
have usually let it go.
What do others think and feel about
these people who "need" to be in a chair or pretend to be
amputees. This site http://www.transabled.org/mos/Frontpage/:states
that it is a psychological need much like a person who is born female
but their mind their emotions and everything else are programmed to be
female - transgendered. I definitely feel there are some folks
that fit the transgendered category, you can't help but admit some boys
were meant to be girls and vice versa. BUT I definitelly don't
believe some folks are born able-bodied and they are really supposed to
be disabled, to me that's a "mental illness" that can be dealt with by
lots of therapy. In my opinion, these are people who are seeking
attention and sympathy, and or they get some sort of sexual satisfaction
from pretending to be disabled. They make me wanna scream "go jump
off a cliff or dive in the shallow end of a pool and stop pretending,
see how you like it then" I simply don't get it.
There's even a story of a woman who wanted to have her legs
amputated for the hell of it, just to live life as an amputee.
Hell, I say lets just send her to Iraq.
Lets discuss this interesting topic.
Peace,
River
Re: FW: Re: [QUAD-L] speaking of fakes
Some people have it set up so they know how many people attend their web site [hits] so I would suggest not even going to this web site because, just by doing so, it gives them more of the attention they need. Setting up a web site for it says it all! It really irritates us when something like this goes on any popular show like Oprah [although very subtely]. As we see it, any person who has any perversion should not be given a public voice no matter what medium they choose! That is our opinion. Lori ---Original Message--- From: William Willis Date: 7/2/2006 4:16:50 PM To: quad-list@eskimo.com Subject: FW: Re: [QUAD-L] speaking of fakes OK, I consider myself to be a fairly open-minded, non-judgemental person. However, this transabled business is absolutely sick. No one in his right mind would purposely welcome the suffering that we onthis list must endure. It nearly made me nauseous to read the web site below. Unbelievable. http://www.transabled.org/mos/Frontpage/
FW: Re: [QUAD-L] speaking of fakes
OK, I consider myself to be a fairly open-minded, non-judgemental person. However, this transabled business is absolutely sick. No one in his right mind would purposely welcome the suffering that we onthis list must endure. It nearly made me nauseous to read the web site below. Unbelievable. http://www.transabled.org/mos/Frontpage/ We've had this discussion on here before but it's pointless. These people really get under my skin but hey what can you do? They also have websites and I've read some of their post before just to see what they were talking about and it seems pity plays a big part because they like to talk about shopping and people trying to help them and them refusing help. It seems they're so unaccomplished in their own lives and think that people look up to them like they're really being heroic after a terrible accident or something. Then there are the wierd ones that really want to be paralyzed and ask questions like which is the best and safest way to break your back! These people could never handle actually being paralyzed in my opinion. Mark ---Original Message--- From: River Wolfe Date: 07/02/06 09:58:55 To: Quad-List Quad-List Subject: [QUAD-L] speaking of fakes Hey everyone, I've been aware of the phenomenon of "wheelchair pretenders" for quite some time and haven't seen much discussion about it here on the quad list. At times, I wonder if everyone here is for real, but have usually let it go. What do others think and feel about these people who "need" to be in a chair or pretend to be amputees. This site http://www.transabled org/mos/Frontpage/:states that it is a psychological need much like a person who is born female but their mind their emotions and everything else are programmed to be female - transgendered. I definitely feel there are some folks that fit the transgendered category, you can't help but admit some boys were meant to be girls and vice versa. BUT I definitelly don't believe some folks are born able-bodied and they are really supposed to be disabled, to me that's a "mental illness" that can be dealt with by lots of therapy. In my opinion, these are people who are seeking attention and sympathy, and or they get some sort of sexual satisfaction from pretending to be disabled. They make me wanna scream "go jump off a cliff or dive in the shallow end of a pool and stop pretending, see how you like it then" I simply don't get it. There's even a story of a woman who wanted to have her legs amputated for the hell of it, just to live life as an amputee. Hell, I say lets just send her to Iraq. Lets discuss this interesting topic. Peace, River IMSTP.gif Description: GIF image
Re: [QUAD-L] speaking of fakes
We've had this discussion on here before but it's pointless. These people really get under my skin but hey what can you do? They also have websites and I've read some of their post before just to see what they were talking about and it seems pity plays a big part because they like to talk about shopping and people trying to help them and them refusing help. It seems they're so unaccomplished in their own lives and think that people look up to them like they're really being heroic after a terrible accident or something. Then there are the wierd ones that really want to be paralyzed and ask questions like which is the best and safest way to break your back! These people could never handle actually being paralyzed in my opinion. Mark ---Original Message--- From: River Wolfe Date: 07/02/06 09:58:55 To: Quad-List Quad-List Subject: [QUAD-L] speaking of fakes Hey everyone, I've been aware of the phenomenon of "wheelchair pretenders" for quite some time and haven't seen much discussion about it here on the quad list. At times, I wonder if everyone here is for real, but have usually let it go. What do others think and feel about these people who "need" to be in a chair or pretend to be amputees. This site http://www.transabled.org/mos/Frontpage/:states that it is a psychological need much like a person who is born female but their mind their emotions and everything else are programmed to be female - transgendered. I definitely feel there are some folks that fit the transgendered category, you can't help but admit some boys were meant to be girls and vice versa. BUT I definitelly don't believe some folks are born able-bodied and they are really supposed to be disabled, to me that's a "mental illness" that can be dealt with by lots of therapy. In my opinion, these are people who are seeking attention and sympathy, and or they get some sort of sexual satisfaction from pretending to be disabled. They make me wanna scream "go jump off a cliff or dive in the shallow end of a pool and stop pretending, see how you like it then" I simply don't get it. There's even a story of a woman who wanted to have her legs amputated for the hell of it, just to live life as an amputee. Hell, I say lets just send her to Iraq. Lets discuss this interesting topic. Peace, River
RE: [QUAD-L] speaking of fakes
If anyone is pretending, then it is only because they have such low self esteem that they want to be pitied. Or they think if we believe them, then they can give us all their wonderful advice and they can help us poor cripples. Greg I've been aware of the phenomenon of "wheelchair pretenders" for quite some time and haven't seen much discussion about it here on the quad list. At times, I wonder if everyone here is for real, but have usually let it go.
[QUAD-L] speaking of fakes
Hey everyone,I've been aware of the phenomenon of "wheelchair pretenders" for quite some time and haven't seen much discussion about it here on the quad list. At times, I wonder if everyone here is for real, but have usually let it go. What do others think and feel about these people who "need" to be in a chair or pretend to be amputees. This site http://www.transabled.org/mos/Frontpage/:states that it is a psychological need much like a person who is born female but their mind their emotions and everything else are programmed to be female - transgendered. I definitely feel there are some folks that fit the transgendered category, you can't help but admit some boys were meant to be girls and vice versa. BUT I definitelly don't believe some folks are born able-bodied and they are really supposed to be disabled, to me that's a "mental illness" that can be dealt with by lots of therapy. In my opinion, these are people who are seeking attention and sympathy, and or they get some sort of sexual satisfaction from pretending to be disabled. They make me wanna scream "go jump off a cliff or dive in the shallow end of a pool and stop pretending, see how you like it then" I simply don't get it.There's even a story of a woman who wanted to have her legs amputated for the hell of it, just to live life as an amputee. Hell, I say lets just send her to Iraq.Lets discuss this interesting topic.Peace,River
