[QUAD-L] students more clarification
. Let me be more specific in my haste and response to the new students that have recently subscribed to the quadriplegic list. As a former student in the science educational field and supervisor I felt that it was somewhat patronizing that many of us who have been paralyzed for numerous years needed advice from students when I felt it was we who would be of more assistance to them. Also, because of my supervisory experience students usually require permission from a source if we are being part of the classroom assignment. I just felt it odd that two students from the same class would appear on the list. I welcome others to this forum as it is not my position to ban anyone from any forum. I hope this puts an end to any questions or concerns. _ From: John S. [mailto:alcibiat...@yahoo.com] Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 2:08 PM To: quad-list@eskimo.com Cc: quad-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] students That is entirely possible. Lord knows I need assistance. I'm not trying to be patronizing. If I come across that way it is only because I use narcotics. I certainly appologize if I am doing that to anyone. john. --- On Wed, 1/21/09, Elizabeth Treston missl...@optonline.net wrote: From: Elizabeth Treston missl...@optonline.net Subject: [QUAD-L] students To: quad-list@eskimo.com Cc: quad-list@eskimo.com Date: Wednesday, January 21, 2009, 9:42 AM Just a heads up. I believe it is we who could assist you. Pease don't be patronizing.
[QUAD-L] students more clarification
Life changes by the Day, Hours, Minutes and Seconds. I've always been taught in various training that the closer you get to combat... the more obsolete your equipment gets. I imagine, the same could be said about the OT and PT training. In school, under the best of conditions, students are taught those basic ideals of what to expect in the field. However when you graduate and enter the real world, things are different. The patient/client says I need help, but the insurance company paying the bills says, Not so fast. Rehab Doctor says PT is required, but insurance say we will only pay for limited time with an OT. Rehab Doctor orders OT evaluation, but insurance say we will only pay for an PT. And how does one qualify as a Master Physical Therapist? Can a certified physical trainer be used in lieu of a PT? At one time insurance paid for 120 rehab stay at major rehab hospital with spinal cord trauma injury. Today, those same levels of injury are being released from the hospital, wearing halos, in manual wheelchair for some in-home recovery... if there is such a term. Life is not equal. comments? Best Wishes W In a message dated 1/22/2009 9:01:44 A.M. Central Standard Time, missl...@optonline.net writes: . Let me be more specific in my haste and response to the new students that have recently subscribed to the quadriplegic list. As a former student in the science educational field and supervisor I felt that it was somewhat patronizing that many of us who have been paralyzed for numerous years needed advice from students when I felt it was “we” who would be of more assistance to them. Also, because of my supervisory experience “students” usually require permission from a source if “we” are being part of the classroom assignment. I just felt it odd that two students from the same class would appear on the list. I welcome others to this forum as it is not my position to ban anyone from any forum. I hope this puts an end to any questions or concerns. From: John S. [mailto:alcibiat...@yahoo.com] Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 2:08 PM To: quad-list@eskimo.com Cc: quad-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] students That is entirely possible. Lord knows I need assistance. I'm not trying to be patronizing. If I come across that way it is only because I use narcotics. I certainly appologize if I am doing that to anyone. john. --- On Wed, 1/21/09, Elizabeth Treston missl...@optonline.net wrote: From: Elizabeth Treston missl...@optonline.net Subject: [QUAD-L] students To: quad-list@eskimo.com Cc: quad-list@eskimo.com Date: Wednesday, January 21, 2009, 9:42 AM Just a heads up. I believe it is we who could assist you. Pease don't be patronizing. **A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/10075x1215855013x1201028747/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072%26hmpgID=62%26bcd=De cemailfooterNO62)
Re: [QUAD-L] students more clarification
Hello. I am also an OT student reading the list. Mostly I'm trying to learn what life is like following SCI. I do not assume to have any info that you guys don't already have, as I'm just a student, and you are the ones living with injury for many years. OT teaches us that the client is the expert on themselves, and that we should follow their lead on that. Those on the list who have received OT and PT have all probably had many different experiences. I don't agree with all of the current practices that are out there, but please don't generalize what therapists you have worked with to all OTs or PTs for better or worse. I am not as much an expert on PT, but I think in some cases a certified physical trainer can be used in leiu of a PT, but its the difference between working with a technician and a clinician. An OT and a PT knows the scientific, theoretical, and research basis for what they are doing (or they should), but a physical trainer will probably use a much more cookbook approach to treatment. cheers, Julia :) 2009/1/22 wheelch...@aol.com Life changes by the Day, Hours, Minutes and Seconds. I've always been taught in various training that the closer you get to combat... the more obsolete your equipment gets. I imagine, the same could be said about the OT and PT training. In school, under the best of conditions, students are taught those basic ideals of what to expect in the field. However when you graduate and enter the real world, things are different. The patient/client says I need help, but the insurance company paying the bills says, Not so fast. Rehab Doctor says PT is required, but insurance say we will only pay for limited time with an OT. Rehab Doctor orders OT evaluation, but insurance say we will only pay for an PT. And how does one qualify as a Master Physical Therapist? Can a certified physical trainer be used in lieu of a PT? At one time insurance paid for 120 rehab stay at major rehab hospital with spinal cord trauma injury. Today, those same levels of injury are being released from the hospital, wearing halos, in manual wheelchair for some in-home recovery... if there is such a term. Life is not equal. comments? Best Wishes W In a message dated 1/22/2009 9:01:44 A.M. Central Standard Time, missl...@optonline.net writes: . Let me be more specific in my haste and response to the new students that have recently subscribed to the quadriplegic list. As a former student in the science educational field and supervisor I felt that it was somewhat patronizing that many of us who have been paralyzed for numerous years needed advice from students when I felt it was we who would be of more assistance to them. Also, because of my supervisory experience students usually require permission from a source if we are being part of the classroom assignment. I just felt it odd that two students from the same class would appear on the list. I welcome others to this forum as it is not my position to ban anyone from any forum. I hope this puts an end to any questions or concerns. -- *From:* John S. [mailto:alcibiat...@yahoo.com] *Sent:* Wednesday, January 21, 2009 2:08 PM *To:* quad-list@eskimo.com *Cc:* quad-list@eskimo.com *Subject:* Re: [QUAD-L] students That is entirely possible. Lord knows I need assistance. I'm not trying to be patronizing. If I come across that way it is only because I use narcotics. I certainly appologize if I am doing that to anyone. john. --- On *Wed, 1/21/09, Elizabeth Treston missl...@optonline.net* wrote: From: Elizabeth Treston missl...@optonline.net Subject: [QUAD-L] students To: quad-list@eskimo.com Cc: quad-list@eskimo.com Date: Wednesday, January 21, 2009, 9:42 AM Just a heads up. I believe it is we who could assist you. Pease don't be patronizing. -- *A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps!http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/10075x1215855013x1201028747/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072%26hmpgID=62%26bcd=DecemailfooterNO62 *
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I'm so glad you girls showed up here. your endless curiosity and cheerful banter are a welcome relief from all the mundane b.p. / spasm treatments / u.t.i. / depression topics we usually deal with. what else do your books say? Take the world in a love embrace Fire all of your guns at once And explode into space _DAVEOCONNELL.COM_ (http://daveoconnell.com/) In a message dated 1/22/2009 9:12:57 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time, jster...@ithaca.edu writes: Hello. I am also an OT student reading the list. Mostly I'm trying to learn what life is like following SCI. I do not assume to have any info that you guys don't already have, as I'm just a student, and you are the ones living with injury for many years. OT teaches us that the client is the expert on themselves, and that we should follow their lead on that. Those on the list who have received OT and PT have all probably had many different experiences. I don't agree with all of the current practices that are out there, but please don't generalize what therapists you have worked with to all OTs or PTs for better or worse. I am not as much an expert on PT, but I think in some cases a certified physical trainer can be used in leiu of a PT, but its the difference between working with a technician and a clinician. An OT and a PT knows the scientific, theoretical, and research basis for what they are doing (or they should), but a physical trainer will probably use a much more cookbook approach to treatment. cheers, Julia :) 2009/1/22 _wheelch...@aol.com_ (mailto:wheelch...@aol.com) Life changes by the Day, Hours, Minutes and Seconds. I've always been taught in various training that the closer you get to combat... the more obsolete your equipment gets. I imagine, the same could be said about the OT and PT training. In school, under the best of conditions, students are taught those basic ideals of what to expect in the field. However when you graduate and enter the real world, things are different. The patient/client says I need help, but the insurance company paying the bills says, Not so fast. Rehab Doctor says PT is required, but insurance say we will only pay for limited time with an OT. Rehab Doctor orders OT evaluation, but insurance say we will only pay for an PT. And how does one qualify as a Master Physical Therapist? Can a certified physical trainer be used in lieu of a PT? At one time insurance paid for 120 rehab stay at major rehab hospital with spinal cord trauma injury. Today, those same levels of injury are being released from the hospital, wearing halos, in manual wheelchair for some in-home recovery... if there is such a term. Life is not equal. comments? Best Wishes W In a message dated 1/22/2009 9:01:44 A.M. Central Standard Time, _missl...@optonline.net_ (mailto:missl...@optonline.net) writes: . Let me be more specific in my haste and response to the new students that have recently subscribed to the quadriplegic list. As a former student in the science educational field and supervisor I felt that it was somewhat patronizing that many of us who have been paralyzed for numerous years needed advice from students when I felt it was we who would be of more assistance to them. Also, because of my supervisory experience students usually require permission from a source if we are being part of the classroom assignment. I just felt it odd that two students from the same class would appear on the list. I welcome others to this forum as it is not my position to ban anyone from any forum. I hope this puts an end to any questions or concerns. From: John S. [mailto:_alcibiat...@yahoo.com_ (mailto:alcibiat...@yahoo.com) ] Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 2:08 PM To: _quad-l...@eskimo.com_ (mailto:quad-list@eskimo.com) Cc: _quad-l...@eskimo.com_ (mailto:quad-list@eskimo.com) Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] students That is entirely possible. Lord knows I need assistance. I'm not trying to be patronizing. If I come across that way it is only because I use narcotics. I certainly appologize if I am doing that to anyone. john. --- On Wed, 1/21/09, Elizabeth Treston _missl...@optonline.net_ (mailto:missl...@optonline.net) wrote: From: Elizabeth Treston _missl...@optonline.net_ (mailto:missl...@optonline.net) Subject: [QUAD-L] students To: _quad-l...@eskimo.com_ (mailto:quad-list@eskimo.com) Cc: _quad-l...@eskimo.com_ (mailto:quad-list@eskimo.com) Date: Wednesday, January 21, 2009, 9:42 AM Just a heads up. I believe it is we who could assist you. Pease don't be patronizing. A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. _See yours in just 2 easy steps!_ (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/10075x1215855013x1201028747/aol?redir=http://www. freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072hmpgID=62bcd=DecemailfooterNO6 2)
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hello i am an OT student who has been a PTA for the past 15 years. i have to disagree with your comment that a personal trainer may be OK instead of a PT. CAUTION: all you need is a weekend certification program and HS diploma to be considered a personal trainer- some need more depending on who is the certifying body. for a person with medical issues especially what can accompany a SCI, you need to have someone knowledgeable of medical precautions. From: Julia Sterman jster...@ithaca.edu To: wheelch...@aol.com Cc: missl...@optonline.net; quad-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 11:12:24 AM Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] students more clarification Hello. I am also an OT student reading the list. Mostly I'm trying to learn what life is like following SCI. I do not assume to have any info that you guys don't already have, as I'm just a student, and you are the ones living with injury for many years. OT teaches us that the client is the expert on themselves, and that we should follow their lead on that. Those on the list who have received OT and PT have all probably had many different experiences. I don't agree with all of the current practices that are out there, but please don't generalize what therapists you have worked with to all OTs or PTs for better or worse. I am not as much an expert on PT, but I think in some cases a certified physical trainer can be used in leiu of a PT, but its the difference between working with a technician and a clinician. An OT and a PT knows the scientific, theoretical, and research basis for what they are doing (or they should), but a physical trainer will probably use a much more cookbook approach to treatment. cheers, Julia :) 2009/1/22 wheelch...@aol.com Life changes by the Day, Hours, Minutes and Seconds. I've always been taught in various training that the closer you get to combat the more obsolete your equipment gets. I imagine, the same could be said about the OT and PT training. In school, under the best of conditions, students are taught those basic ideals of what to expect in the field. However when you graduate and enter the real world, things are different.. The patient/client says I need help, but the insurance company paying the bills says, Not so fast. Rehab Doctor says PT is required, but insurance say we will only pay for limited time with an OT. Rehab Doctor orders OT evaluation, but insurance say we will only pay for an PT. And how does one qualify as a Master Physical Therapist? Can a certified physical trainer be used in lieu of a PT? At one time insurance paid for 120 rehab stay at major rehab hospital with spinal cord trauma injury. Today, those same levels of injury are being released from the hospital, wearing halos, in manual wheelchair for some in-home recovery... if there is such a term. Life is not equal. comments? Best Wishes W In a message dated 1/22/2009 9:01:44 A.M. Central Standard Time, missl...@optonline.net writes: . Let me be more specific in my haste and response to the new students that have recently subscribed to the quadriplegic list. As a former student in the science educational field and supervisor I felt that it was somewhat patronizing that many of us who have been paralyzed for numerous years needed advice from students when I felt it was we who would be of more assistance to them. Also, because of my supervisory experience students usually require permission from a source if we are being part of the classroom assignment. I just felt it odd that two students from the same class would appear on the list. I welcome others to this forum as it is not my position to ban anyone from any forum. I hope this puts an end to any questions or concerns. From: John S. [mailto:alcibiat...@yahoo.com] Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 2:08 PM To: quad-list@eskimo.com Cc: quad-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] students That is entirely possible.. Lord knows I need assistance. I'm not trying to be patronizing. If I come across that way it is only because I use narcotics. I certainly appologize if I am doing that to anyone. john. --- On Wed, 1/21/09, Elizabeth Treston missl...@optonline.net wrote: From: Elizabeth Treston missl...@optonline.net Subject: [QUAD-L] students To: quad-list@eskimo.com Cc: quad-list@eskimo.com Date: Wednesday, January 21, 2009, 9:42 AM Just a heads up. I believe it is we who could assist you. Pease don't be patronizing. A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps!
