Re: C650 boot time.

[David Pierce]

My Quadra 650 has 68 MBs of RAM, and it takes quite a while to check memory
before it loads the OS. AFAIK, that's normal.

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From: "Kyle Kinsey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2002 8:18 PM
Subject: C650 boot time.


Hey,

Still fiddling with the c650s (a different one to the one that blew a fuse
earlier)
and I put 2 * 32 mb simms in it and now it really takes quite a while on
power on
before it starts booting (ie when the video springs into action)

Quick question, is this normal, does it check the memory before starting
video?

Cheers,



kyle.



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Re: 840AV FLOPPY WON'T WORK

[David Pierce]

You are one lucky dude. I wish I could 'find' expensive computer equipment.

> Sorry, I'm not made of money. I completely lucked into the 180-gig SCSI
> disk. I frequent the IU computer auctions and "dump." You can often buy
> an entire palette of supposedly "junk" Macs for $5-$10. It's easy enough
> to piece together at least 4 or 5 working machines, which I then sell
> for $25-$75 each.
> 
> Anyway, I bought a box of four Q840 AVs, and while trying to crank them
> up and popping their covers to explore their innards, lo and behold! I
> FOUND the 180 gig drive inside of one of the boxes. That particular
> machine's motherboard was TOTALLY FRIED.


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Re: LC 520/580

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At 22:48 -0600 on 13/08/02, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

>Did the LC 580s come with full '040s or ya think this was just an
>upgrade and I got lucky?

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Re: LC 520/580

[craganmoor]

>
>From: David Pierce <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject: Re: LC 520/580 and ethernet
>In-reply-to: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
>The 580 is a 68040, so that's a piece of cake.

Speaking of which, I just bought a 580 for ($3.35 US) at the thrift 
store, got it apart and low and behold it had a full 33MHz '040 in 
it. (which I promptly transplanted to my pet 575).

Did the LC 580s come with full '040s or ya think this was just an 
upgrade and I got lucky?

Cheers,

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Re: LC 520/580 and ethernet

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At 20:45 -0500 on 13/08/02, Allen Davis wrote:

>I'm glad you wrote. I've always found crucial.com to be much cheaper
>than the sources I've looked at in the ads at the back of MacWorld and
>MacAddict magazines.

Yeah, I learned a long time ago that those ads aren't worth the paper they're
printed on.

>I'll say one thing good about crucial.com: I bought a faulty 32-meg DIMM
>from them one time, and they sent me a 64-meg DIMM to replace it -- and
>they did it BEFORE they actually received my returned bad DIMM. They
>just took me at my word I'd shipped it back! NOW THAT'S CUSTOMER
>SERVICE! They didn't have to do that, after all. And especially BEFORE

Yeah, I'll say this: I've never heard anything - ANYTHING - bad about them.  I
just don't have the name-brand RAM fetish that a lot of PC weenies seem to,
because I figure if it's a reputable company with a lifetime warranty, it
doesn't matter much and if I can save $10-15 per module, by golly, I'll do it :)
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Re: C650 boot time.

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At 20:40 -0500 on 13/08/02, Allen Davis wrote:


>Kewel, DUDE! I'll give it a shot on the ol' 950!

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Re: LC 520/580 and ethernet

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Pickle:

I'm glad you wrote. I've always found crucial.com to be much cheaper
than the sources I've looked at in the ads at the back of MacWorld and
MacAddict magazines.

I'll say one thing good about crucial.com: I bought a faulty 32-meg DIMM
from them one time, and they sent me a 64-meg DIMM to replace it -- and
they did it BEFORE they actually received my returned bad DIMM. They
just took me at my word I'd shipped it back! NOW THAT'S CUSTOMER
SERVICE! They didn't have to do that, after all. And especially BEFORE
getting my bad DIMM back in their hands!

I still appreciate the links you sent before. Crucial.com is often
out-of-stock on really, really old Mac memory, but they seem to find it
if you ask them to.

I still say crucial.com is a good company to do business with.

Thanks again.

Allen
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> 
> At 19:32 -0500 on 13/08/02, Allen Davis wrote:
> 
> >Thanks for the links! I suppose I HAVE been buying some of my RAM in the
> >wrong places. However, for newer machines, crucial.com is tough to beat, IMHO.
> 
> The couple extra dollars they charge for newer RAM is probably worth the brand
> name, but they definitely aren't the cheapest source by any means.
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Re: C650 boot time.

[Allen Davis]

Pickle:

Kewel, DUDE! I'll give it a shot on the ol' 950!

Allen
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> 
> At 19:46 -0500 on 13/08/02, Allen Davis wrote:
> 
> >It's been so long since I've worked in System 7.x or Mac OS 8.x, I can't
> >remember. But in OS 9.x, you can disable the RAM check during boot-up. I
> >don't think this trick works with anything before Mac OS 9.0, but I can
> >push Command + Option while selecting the Memory Control Panel, and I
> 
> It started with 8.5.
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Re: LC 520/580 and ethernet

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At 19:32 -0500 on 13/08/02, Allen Davis wrote:

>Thanks for the links! I suppose I HAVE been buying some of my RAM in the
>wrong places. However, for newer machines, crucial.com is tough to beat, IMHO.

The couple extra dollars they charge for newer RAM is probably worth the brand
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Re: C650 boot time.

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At 01:18 +0100 on 14/08/02, Kyle Kinsey wrote:

>and I put 2 * 32 mb simms in it and now it really takes quite a while on power
>on
>before it starts booting (ie when the video springs into action)
>
>Quick question, is this normal, does it check the memory before starting video?

Quite normal.  Stick four in there (or put 192MB into a 630) and the delay with
64MB will seem quite short :)
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Re: C650 boot time.

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At 19:46 -0500 on 13/08/02, Allen Davis wrote:

>It's been so long since I've worked in System 7.x or Mac OS 8.x, I can't
>remember. But in OS 9.x, you can disable the RAM check during boot-up. I
>don't think this trick works with anything before Mac OS 9.0, but I can
>push Command + Option while selecting the Memory Control Panel, and I

It started with 8.5.
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Re: C650 boot time.

[Allen Davis]

Kyle:

You are absolutely correct. Your machine is doing a RAM check before it
proceeds with the boot process.

It's been so long since I've worked in System 7.x or Mac OS 8.x, I can't
remember. But in OS 9.x, you can disable the RAM check during boot-up. I
don't think this trick works with anything before Mac OS 9.0, but I can
push Command + Option while selecting the Memory Control Panel, and I
get an extra pane at the bottom of the window giving me the option of
switching the "startup memory tests" on or off. Nifty. Turning the
startup memory tests off boosts start time VERY significantly, whether
rebooting or starting cold.

In my own experience, I've never had RAM just go bad (unless I had a
massive power surge through a sub-standard surge protector -- that's why
I'm a big UPS fan now). I would suggest that anyone who uses this trick
turn the startup tests back on just prior to installing new RAM. You
could save yourself some grief. I HAVE bought bad RAM before -- and more
than 2 or 3 times.

In addition, if you've recently zapped your PRAM, your machine might be
confused as to where to look for its startup disk. Open your Startup
Disk CDEV, select the disk you want to boot from, then restart your Mac.
That will put things right if that's the root cause of your problem.

Allen
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Kyle Kinsey wrote:
> 
> Hey,
> 
> Still fiddling with the c650s (a different one to the one that blew a fuse earlier)
> and I put 2 * 32 mb simms in it and now it really takes quite a while on power on
> before it starts booting (ie when the video springs into action)
> 
> Quick question, is this normal, does it check the memory before starting video?
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> kyle.
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Re: LC 520/580 and ethernet

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Pickle:

Thanks for the links! I suppose I HAVE been buying some of my RAM in the
wrong places. However, for newer machines, crucial.com is tough to beat, IMHO.

Allen
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> 
> At 18:42 -0500 on 13/08/02, Allen Davis wrote:
> 
> >Do you say this in a good way or a bad way???
> >
> >I've found their 68k RAM prices ridiculously low!
> >
> >Have I been shopping in the wrong place???
> 
> Unless they've dropped them by about 50% since I last checked, yes, you've
> definitely been shopping in the wrong place.
> 
> Compare these price lists:
> 
> http://ramseeker.com/scripts/sortModelDetails.php?modelId=25&sortSize=64mb
> 
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C650 boot time.

[Kyle Kinsey]

Hey,

Still fiddling with the c650s (a different one to the one that blew a fuse earlier)
and I put 2 * 32 mb simms in it and now it really takes quite a while on power on
before it starts booting (ie when the video springs into action)

Quick question, is this normal, does it check the memory before starting video?

Cheers,



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Re: LC 520/580 and ethernet

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At 18:42 -0500 on 13/08/02, Allen Davis wrote:

>Do you say this in a good way or a bad way???
>
>I've found their 68k RAM prices ridiculously low!
>
>Have I been shopping in the wrong place???

Unless they've dropped them by about 50% since I last checked, yes, you've
definitely been shopping in the wrong place.

Compare these price lists:

http://ramseeker.com/scripts/sortModelDetails.php?modelId=25&sortSize=64mb

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Re: LC 520/580 and ethernet

[Allen Davis]

Pickle:

Do you say this in a good way or a bad way???

I've found their 68k RAM prices ridiculously low!

Have I been shopping in the wrong place???

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> At 17:57 -0500 on 13/08/02, Allen Davis wrote:
> 
> >I highly recommend going to www.crucial.com. I buy all my memory from
> >them. Their prices can't be beaten, and they ship lickety-split. Just go
> 
> Yes they can.  And their prices for 68K RAM are ridiculous.
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Re: LC 520/580 and ethernet

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>I highly recommend going to www.crucial.com. I buy all my memory from
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Re: LC 520/580 and ethernet

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I recommend www.crucial.com for all your memory needs. I've recommended
them to dozens of people. I've always gotten a rock-bottom price (which
is always lower if you order online), plus, they ship very, very
quickly. Good company.

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> >I am trying to get these two machines on a cable-modem
> >internet connection; actually, my mac's will be on a
> >router that originates from a pc. The 580 seems to
> >have an ethernet port, but the 520 doesn't.
> >Suggestions?
> >
> >Also, what's the going rate these days for memory for
> >these machines?
> 
> The 580 is a 68040, so that's a piece of cake. MacOS 8.1, Open Transport,
> Configure the TCP/IP control panel according to the instructions provided
> by the router software. (Probably something along the lines of; Always
> Active, Connect Via Ethernet, Get IP from DHCP Server, and a DNS Server
> Address or two)
> 
> The 580 will use standard 72 Pin Simms. Some have two slots, some have one.
> I bought a 32 MB module a while back for $14. Try macsolutions.com. Service
> is a bit slower that some, but not horrendous, but I always get what I
> order.
> 
> The 520 has no Ethernet, you say? Gimme a minute. Okay, it does have an LC
> PDS slot. Check on eBay for an Ethernet card compatible with a LC, LC II,
> LC II, 475, 605, 476, or Performa 520. It also has one 72 Pin SIMM slot,
> and wil use the same memory as the 580. Sith the 25 MHz 68030, I'd uses
> System 7.5.5 (Free!) and install Open Trasport, then configure it the same
> as the 580.
> 
> Actually, if you feel a craving for speed, 7.5.5 works quite well on 68k
> machines, so you could use it on the 580 as well. It's only on the PPC macs
> that the buggy 68k emulator causes constant type 11 errors.
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Re: 840AV FLOPPY WON'T WORK

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Sorry, I'm not made of money. I completely lucked into the 180-gig SCSI
disk. I frequent the IU computer auctions and "dump." You can often buy
an entire palette of supposedly "junk" Macs for $5-$10. It's easy enough
to piece together at least 4 or 5 working machines, which I then sell
for $25-$75 each.

Anyway, I bought a box of four Q840 AVs, and while trying to crank them
up and popping their covers to explore their innards, lo and behold! I
FOUND the 180 gig drive inside of one of the boxes. That particular
machine's motherboard was TOTALLY FRIED.

I mentioned that I wish I'd bought a faster hard drive when referring to
it. Duu... I was thinking of a couple of other hard drives I did buy
new. They're also IBM. I didn't mean to dis this HD too much. It was
almost a FREEBIE, after all!

I'd like to buy a new G4 tower. If I had the money to buy an eMac, I
could certainly scrape enough money together for a low-end tower and
have much more horsepower.

Besides, like I said before, I do get a kick out of refurbishing old
Macs that don't cost me much, fix 'em up, rev 'em up as much as I can
and sell 'em CHEAP to disadvantaged people I discover who want a
computer but can't afford one. I've made more than a few Mac fans out of
a lot of people. To me, it's one of the best ways to evangelize the Mac platform.

In addition, my wife LOVES her Q840-AV. The only thing she uses it for
is e-mail, but she seems intrigued by it's audio/video capabilities
(which aren't being used). Take that back, she's got a little Sansui
stereo amp and my Bose 301 speakers hooked up to it, and she uses it for
a CD jukebox while she's doing her freelance work on a Pentium III.
[Don't jump on me for that. She's a Deputy County Recorder who does
freelance title work at home on the side. Her machine has to be a PeeCee
because the software she has to use is proprietary. She hates that
machine, the application, the interface, and the people who cooked up
that crap!]

She was thinking of getting me the G4 tower until I caved and bought the
9600 and souped it up with a G4 processor and other goodies. What I'm
really hoping for at Christmas this year is a set of Peavey drums!!!

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David Pierce wrote:
> 
> >My "new" file server is a Quadra 950 a friend from West Virginia gave to
> >me for the price of shipping. It has 128 megs of RAM, a 2-gig and a
> >180-gig internal hard drive. I also replaced the floppy drive with an
> >internal 24x CD-ROM drive -- much more useful than a floppy, anyway. I
> >also have an external Zip drive attached to it.
> 
> *knocks palm against side of head*
> 
> I'm sorry, did you say 180 GB SCSI Hard Drive?
> 
> Just checked pricewatch, they do exist... but they are at least $999!
> Yikes, why not just buy a new eMac to use as a server. You probably aren't
> kidding when you say "Mac-Poor", but even an eMac could outpace the 9600
> you have, and now we know you have (had?) the $$$.
> 
> *guilt trip*
> 
> Spending money like that on hard drives while your wife chugs away on a
> Quadra? Shame on you. You should buy her an iMac for Christmas, and if you
> don't celebrate Christmas, you should buy her one anyway. :-)
> 
> */guilt trip*
> 
> Yipes.
> 
> -Dave

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Re: LC 520/580 and ethernet

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Hi Mark:

I highly recommend going to www.crucial.com. I buy all my memory from
them. Their prices can't be beaten, and they ship lickety-split. Just go
to their website and follow the pop-ups to locate your make, model,
etc., and they'll pop up a page with a quote. By the way, if you order
online, you get an additional discount. Swet.

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> 
> I am trying to get these two machines on a cable-modem
> internet connection; actually, my mac's will be on a
> router that originates from a pc. The 580 seems to
> have an ethernet port, but the 520 doesn't.
> Suggestions?
> 
> Also, what's the going rate these days for memory for
> these machines?
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Re: 840AV FLOPPY WON'T WORK

[Peter Heinemann]

Well, I am not sure if this was already advised by someone here, but: Have
you also tried to swap the floppy drive cable? It is most unlikely that this
cable becomes bad (how?), but try this.

Another question: Have the 840av been accelerated with a faster quarz? I
know  that the 840av has no PDS, but I have (this is just an example) a Q610
that I once accelerated with a 48mHz 68040 PDS card (made by the German firm
"Formac") and: The floppy drives refuses to work when the accelerator card
is on.

About swapping the mobos to get a working floppy controller: The AV
capabilities make the Q840av a "Cult" machine. So.

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Re: 840AV FLOPPY WON'T WORK

[David Pierce]

>My "new" file server is a Quadra 950 a friend from West Virginia gave to
>me for the price of shipping. It has 128 megs of RAM, a 2-gig and a
>180-gig internal hard drive. I also replaced the floppy drive with an
>internal 24x CD-ROM drive -- much more useful than a floppy, anyway. I
>also have an external Zip drive attached to it.

*knocks palm against side of head*

I'm sorry, did you say 180 GB SCSI Hard Drive?

Just checked pricewatch, they do exist... but they are at least $999!
Yikes, why not just buy a new eMac to use as a server. You probably aren't
kidding when you say "Mac-Poor", but even an eMac could outpace the 9600
you have, and now we know you have (had?) the $$$.

*guilt trip*

Spending money like that on hard drives while your wife chugs away on a
Quadra? Shame on you. You should buy her an iMac for Christmas, and if you
don't celebrate Christmas, you should buy her one anyway. :-)

*/guilt trip*

Yipes.

-Dave



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Re: LC 520/580 and ethernet

[David Pierce]

>I am trying to get these two machines on a cable-modem
>internet connection; actually, my mac's will be on a
>router that originates from a pc. The 580 seems to
>have an ethernet port, but the 520 doesn't.
>Suggestions?
>
>Also, what's the going rate these days for memory for
>these machines?

The 580 is a 68040, so that's a piece of cake. MacOS 8.1, Open Transport,
Configure the TCP/IP control panel according to the instructions provided
by the router software. (Probably something along the lines of; Always
Active, Connect Via Ethernet, Get IP from DHCP Server, and a DNS Server
Address or two)

The 580 will use standard 72 Pin Simms. Some have two slots, some have one.
I bought a 32 MB module a while back for $14. Try macsolutions.com. Service
is a bit slower that some, but not horrendous, but I always get what I
order.

The 520 has no Ethernet, you say? Gimme a minute. Okay, it does have an LC
PDS slot. Check on eBay for an Ethernet card compatible with a LC, LC II,
LC II, 475, 605, 476, or Performa 520. It also has one 72 Pin SIMM slot,
and wil use the same memory as the 580. Sith the 25 MHz 68030, I'd uses
System 7.5.5 (Free!) and install Open Trasport, then configure it the same
as the 580.

Actually, if you feel a craving for speed, 7.5.5 works quite well on 68k
machines, so you could use it on the 580 as well. It's only on the PPC macs
that the buggy 68k emulator causes constant type 11 errors.

Have fun.



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Re: 840AV FLOPPY WON'T WORK

[the pickle]

At 16:09 -0400 on 13/08/02, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

>The disk wouldn't read, and my Norton Utilities called it a "Damaged Disk."

Did it work in other Macs at all?
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Re: 840AV FLOPPY WON'T WORK

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The disk wouldn't read, and my Norton Utilities called it a "Damaged Disk."

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Re: C650 Blows fuse!

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At 16:37 +0100 on 13/08/02, Kyle Kinsey wrote:

>Just been fiddling with my macs again and I was booting them to check they
>still worked,
>came accross one of my c650's and it just turned off and further investigation
>notes that
>it blew the 3A fuse in the power cable! also the psu smells of burn a bit!
>Popking aound I note the psu is rated at 1.5a not 3 (on 200-240v), I'd usually
>assume
>this means i should use a 1.5a fuse for protection but these are not common,
>all
>computer stuff uses 3a or 5a fuses.
>
>Any idea what could case this and what i should do.

Clean up the mobo first; something might have been shorting out a power line
and overloading the PSU.

If that doesn't stop the fuse-blowing, there's probably a short in the PSU
somewhere, and quite honestly, the best fix would be to replace the PSU.

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Re: LC 520/580 and ethernet

[the pickle]

At 08:37 -0700 on 13/08/02, Mark wrote:

>I am trying to get these two machines on a cable-modem
>internet connection; actually, my mac's will be on a
>router that originates from a pc. The 580 seems to
>have an ethernet port, but the 520 doesn't.

Add one to it via one of its expansion slots listed in its profile on LEM :)

>Also, what's the going rate these days for memory for
>these machines?

http://ramseeker.com/

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Re: C650 Blows fuse!

[PeterH5322]

In a message dated 8/13/02 8:37:46 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
writes:

<<
... it blew the 3A fuse in the power cable! also the psu smells of burn a bit!

Popking aound I note the psu is rated at 1.5a not 3 (on 200-240v), I'd 
usually assume this means i should use a 1.5a fuse for protection but these 
are not common, all computer stuff uses 3a or 5a fuses.

Any idea what could case this and what i should do.
>>

Probably a failure in the primary side of the power supply, also known as the 
converter section.

The most frequent cause of this type is failure of the bridge rectifier (if 
self-contained) or one of the four diodes (if not self-contained).

This causes a short circuit, which blows the fuse in order to protect the 
power supply from additional failures.

As most individuals don't have the specialized equipment, knowledge or skills 
to perform component-level repairs on power supplies (these contain lethal 
voltages, BTW), it is probably best to buy a replacement power supply and to 
discard the failed one.



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C650 Blows fuse!

[Kyle Kinsey]

Hi all,

Just been fiddling with my macs again and I was booting them to check they still 
worked,
came accross one of my c650's and it just turned off and further investigation notes 
that
it blew the 3A fuse in the power cable! also the psu smells of burn a bit!
Popking aound I note the psu is rated at 1.5a not 3 (on 200-240v), I'd usually assume
this means i should use a 1.5a fuse for protection but these are not common, all
computer stuff uses 3a or 5a fuses.

Any idea what could case this and what i should do.
I'll admit that this c650 really has a mucky motherboard, sort of gunk and nasty stuff,
though I can't see any reason this would cause this!

Hope this makes sense and does not babble to much ;-)

Kyle.

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LC 520/580 and ethernet

[Mark]

I am trying to get these two machines on a cable-modem
internet connection; actually, my mac's will be on a
router that originates from a pc. The 580 seems to
have an ethernet port, but the 520 doesn't.
Suggestions?

Also, what's the going rate these days for memory for
these machines? 

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Re: LEM European Swap List.

[Mark Benson]

Thank you for all the support that has flooded in for the LEM 
European Swap List. I think we can make this a reality. The number of 
'votes' has surpassed 20 recently and they are still coming in. I 
have polled the 1st PowerMacs and PCI PowerMacs list to see if anyone 
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