Re: Mac to PC VGA adaptor

[John Teffer]

>>> Here's a tip some might find useful. Use the cable from an Apple 15"
>>> multiscan (those monitors that have the reputation for bad solder joints
 
>> Note Michael Dawe's return e-mail address: it's in Australia.
>> 
>> The US MS15s don't have a detachable cable, whereas the Asia-Pacific ones
>> (and
>> possibly the European ones) did.

> Hmmm... Having just DL'd the 15 inch MS User Guide from Apple:
>  S15UG.PDF>
> 
> I notice that this depicts clearly a seperate monitor cable. Just like the
> one I bought in the dear old Australia. And seeing as how this is a US User
> Guide I can only assume Apple must have got it wrong if the pickle says
> otherwise.

I have an Apple MultiScan 15, looks just like the one in the PDF, with the
exception that the monitor cable is not detachable.  I am in the US.

-John


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Re: Mac to PC VGA adaptor

[Michael Dawe]

on 14/10/2002, the pickle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> At 10:04 +1000 on 13/10/02, Michael Dawe wrote:
> 
>> Here's a tip some might find useful. Use the cable from an Apple 15"
>> multiscan (those monitors that have the reputation for bad solder joints
> 
> Note Michael Dawe's return e-mail address: it's in Australia.
> 
> The US MS15s don't have a detachable cable, whereas the Asia-Pacific ones (and
> possibly the European ones) did.
> -- 

Hmmm... Having just DL'd the 15 inch MS User Guide from Apple:


I notice that this depicts clearly a seperate monitor cable. Just like the
one I bought in the dear old Australia. And seeing as how this is a US User
Guide I can only assume Apple must have got it wrong if the pickle says
otherwise.

However, if you're correct, pickle, then I do apologize for perhaps posting
misleading information. To this I can only add, if those of you in the
States bought the "Apple Multiple Scan 15 Display" with a fixed monitor
cable, you are missing out on perhaps it's most lasting and worthwhile
feature, a *seperate* cable that can be used with *any* multisync 15 inch PC
monitor.

Mike



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Re: Hello

[John Teffer]

>>> The other thing I've found that some of the programs that do work, run
>>> incredibly too fast (mainly some old games). I've not really looked

>> Not in most cases; those are typically rather poorly programmed games that
>> only work really well on the SE and/or Plus or earlier.

> Oh well, looks like I'll just have to get better games :)

Or, you can run a Mac Plus Emulator on your PowerMac or PeeSea.  I know this
doesn't help you with your new Quad though.

http://emulation.net/macintosh/

Does anyone know if there's a 68000 compact Mac emulator that would run on a
LC040?

-John


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Re: Hello

[Justin Watson]

Thank you very much for the quick reply!

>>a hard reboot. I remember back in school we had and optional "switch"
>> mounted on the side of the Mac, but my search on the web for such for
>
> The LC 580 doesn't have a reset switch that's externally accessible, at
> least
> not that I recall.  However, cmd-ctrl-powerkey ought to restart it.

Thank you. That works much better than a hard reboot.

> I bet 32-bit addressing is on, and they probably don't like 32-bit
> addressing
> too much.  With 8MB RAM, you can safely turn it off without any ill
> effect, but

I went to change this but the Apple Guide says "On your computer, 32-bit
addressing is always on (you can't turn it off)"
Anything else I can try besides finding newer programs that open my older
documents (Word, Excel, Works, in particular) I'll be looking for new apps
in a couple days, but not critial at this point.

>>The other thing I've found that some of the programs that do work, run
>> incredibly too fast (mainly some old games). I've not really looked
> Not in most cases; those are typically rather poorly programmed games
> that only
> work really well on the SE and/or Plus or earlier.

Oh well, looks like I'll just have to get better games :)

>> transfer a program to the Mac? I've tried all kinds of variations for
> How 'bout the PC-to-Mac transfer info in the FAQ and at Gamba's place

Go figure. I found the MacTrans program like 2 minutes before you replied.
But the FAQ is quite useful and I'm going through it now. Thank you.

-J Watson






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Re: Hello

[the pickle]

At 20:55 -0600 on 15/10/02, Justin Watson wrote:

>Here's the stats on this LC 580: 040 CPU with 8 MB Ram, IDE 346 MB HD.
>MacOS 7.6.1 is preinstalled (but no disks for it). It's does not have a
>CDROM but it does have a Network Card.

Might wanna think about dropping back to 7.1 on there.

>A couple of things I've run into (but to be expected) is many of the
>programs and such do not actually work. Some programs hang, forcing me to do
>a hard reboot. I remember back in school we had and optional "switch"
>mounted on the side of the Mac, but my search on the web for such for this

The LC 580 doesn't have a reset switch that's externally accessible, at least
not that I recall.  However, cmd-ctrl-powerkey ought to restart it.

>it's a bit hard to get to while the Mac is on. In the disks from school I
>have MacOS 6.0.3 disks so that tells me most of these programs are from that
>time frame.

I bet 32-bit addressing is on, and they probably don't like 32-bit addressing
too much.  With 8MB RAM, you can safely turn it off without any ill effect, but
if you ever upgrade the RAM, you'll want to turn it back on.

>The other thing I've found that some of the programs that do work, run
>incredibly too fast (mainly some old games). I've not really looked into
>this yet, but is there a way to slow these down?

Not in most cases; those are typically rather poorly programmed games that only
work really well on the SE and/or Plus or earlier.

>require me getting some thing over to the Mac first. As I only have the disk
>drive (SuperDrive, I believe, since it can read PC disks), How can I
>transfer a program to the Mac? I've tried all kinds of variations for

How 'bout the PC-to-Mac transfer info in the FAQ and at Gamba's place (also
linked in the FAQ)?
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Hello

[Justin Watson]

Hi all. I was looking for info/help, and it looks like this might be it.

A little background: I used to use Mac's in school, in fact we had the first
Mac network in my school district back in 1989/90. It was a SE/30 as a file
server and Mac II's as workstations (about 20 of them if I remember
correctly). I've always been into computers and loved working with Macs in
particular.

I've recently (the last year or so) been wanting to get back into Macs but
money is quite an issue. But imagine my suprice when I found a LC 580 on
sale for $12! Needless to say, I didn't even hesitate. I managed to find
my old disks from high school and figured I'd see what I could get
working.

Here's the stats on this LC 580: 040 CPU with 8 MB Ram, IDE 346 MB HD.
MacOS 7.6.1 is preinstalled (but no disks for it). It's does not have a
CDROM but it does have a Network Card.

Since I'm very rusty on Macs I was wondering if anyone could point me in the
right direction on getting the most out of this.

A couple of things I've run into (but to be expected) is many of the
programs and such do not actually work. Some programs hang, forcing me to do
a hard reboot. I remember back in school we had and optional "switch"
mounted on the side of the Mac, but my search on the web for such for this
has not turned up anything. I'm sure I just don't know the proper name for
it, and was wondering if anyone knew what it was, and if it's available on
this Mac. Looking inside the Mac I did find a reset button of sorts, but
it's a bit hard to get to while the Mac is on. In the disks from school I
have MacOS 6.0.3 disks so that tells me most of these programs are from that
time frame.

The other thing I've found that some of the programs that do work, run
incredibly too fast (mainly some old games). I've not really looked into
this yet, but is there a way to slow these down?

I have one final question. Since it has a network card (and my hub sees it
when plugged in) I figured I could find a way to get it on my home network
(2 WinXP boxes with 5 port hub). However, everything I've found so far
require me getting some thing over to the Mac first. As I only have the disk
drive (SuperDrive, I believe, since it can read PC disks), How can I
transfer a program to the Mac? I've tried all kinds of variations for
conversion, etc., but no luck so far. This Mac has MacLinkPlus 8.1
pre-installed, but it appears that this is designed for documents only and
not programs. I found StuffIt 1.5.1 (shareware, expired by about 10 years,
lol)sit on my old disks, but this will not even see .sit files that I
transfer via a PC disk. I think it may be a hidden extention since the icon
is generic with letters "PC" on it. Not sure though.

As you can see, I've VERY rusty woring with Macs and would really like to
put this computer to good use. Eventually I'd like to max out the ram, get a
larger HD, and be able to get on the internet.

And pointers, info, or what not would be appreciated. Also, is there a
achive of messages sent to this list? I would imagine there's a lot of good
info in there.

Thank you much in advance for any information.

-J Watson




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LC575

[Sally Holland]

I recently moved and when I tried to use my computer at my new place, I got this 
message on the screen and then dialogue box that is white (blank) and the screen which 
has no desktop icons appearing, then freezes. Please help. I need to be able to access 
the Internet to apply for jobs. The only way I can access my files is to hit Shift 
together with the Power button so that extensions are off. 

The message that came on the screen when only the Power button is used is : 
"There is not enough memory to load all your extensions. Either remove one or more 
extensions from extensions folder or reduce size of RAM disk and/or Disj Cache in the 
Memory Control panel then restart your Macintosh". 

Before the move, the memory was fine to access Internet through a dial-up freenet. I 
even had MacLink 11 which was great to translate PC docs. Now the computer tells me 
that "there is not enough memory to open Netscape Communicator (8,500 k is 
needed-approx.6,600 is available) It shows total memory to be 36 with 30 for software. 
I have been putting everything I think is not crucial on back-ip disks but can't seem 
to increase available memory.

I'd appreciate solution to this malfunction. Thanks.
Spiritus



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Re: Mac to PC VGA adaptor

[Kris Jones]

The original sense pin scheme only supported a few resolutions, mostly wierd 
ones used by Apple fixed-frequency monitors.

For VGA the closest you can get is the 14" Apple monitor, which is 640x480 
but at 66.7Hz... which is 6.8Hz faster than the VGA standard (59.9Hz).

I forgot which machine you had, but machines/video cards older than the IIci 
all have the old sense-pin scheme. The IIsi has the older scheme and the LC 
has the newer one even though they came out at the same time. The new scheme 
supports the VGA standard.

More importantly, the sense pin scheme is just basically a method of 
connecting certain pins together on the DB-15 connector to tell the Mac what 
kind of monitor is plugged into it.

So what the adapter is doing is connecting certain pins together to make the 
Mac put out VGA signals (most likely VGA).

If your VGA adapter doesn't have any switches, there's not much you can do 
about a rolling screen unless you have a V-hold knob.

If your VGA adapter DOES have switches you can play with different refresh 
rates. If it is rolling it means the refresh rate is too fast. Try a lower 
one. (Although if it's a VGA screen it should work at 59.9Hz, which is what 
most switch-less adapters set the sense-pins for.)

Hope that helps!

>From: steve <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> (Quadlist)
>To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> (Quadlist)
>Subject: Re: Mac to PC VGA adaptor
>Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2002 20:39:42 +0100
>
>Hi,
>  How can I set another frequncy setting? The old and nearly unusable
>monitor I was using had only one resoution 640 by 480? I haven't spotted a
>means to change fq settings in the OS 8.0 I'm using.
>
>  Regards Steve
>
>At 20:47 12/10/02 -0400, you wrote:
> >Steve,
> >
> >Appears like Vertical Roll, see if your monitor has an external "Vertical
>Hold" adjustment knob (there is one inside) or try another frequency 
>setting.
> >
> >regards, Robert
> >
>
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Re: Mac to PC VGA adaptor

[the pickle]

At 20:39 +0100 on 13/10/02, steve wrote:

> How can I set another frequncy setting? The old and nearly unusable

Your adapter has to have DIP switches in order to be able to change settings.
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Re: Mac to PC VGA adaptor

[steve]

Hi,
 How can I set another frequncy setting? The old and nearly unusable
monitor I was using had only one resoution 640 by 480? I haven't spotted a
means to change fq settings in the OS 8.0 I'm using.

 Regards Steve

At 20:47 12/10/02 -0400, you wrote:
>Steve,
>
>Appears like Vertical Roll, see if your monitor has an external "Vertical
Hold" adjustment knob (there is one inside) or try another frequency setting.
>
>regards, Robert
>


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Re: Multiscan 15 bad solder joints, was Re: Mac to PC VGA adaptor

[the pickle]

At 01:38 -0500 on 15/10/02, John Teffer wrote:

>I just got a multiscan 15 that seems to have the bad solder joints problem.
>Sometimes it has a beautiful display, sometimes the display loses all red,
>and becomes a nasty blue green mess.  Is this problem easily (or at all)
>repairable?

Yeah - just resolder everything on the CRT-end PCB.  You'll have to desolder
the shielding to get at it, but that usually fixes it.
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