Re(2): AAUI ?

[Dan Palka]

Made me giggle.  I had one of these for about a year now and didnt even know
it.  I always wondered why it had two ethernet jacks.  Finally just about a
week ago I was trying to get my iBook networked with my Quadra 800 for a quick
file transfer, and I coulndt find my hub.  Besides that, I only have one
ethernet cable anyway, so even if I did find my hub it wouldnt work.  I was
getting very PO when I just randomly decided to plug the iBook into the other
jack on the Quadra.  Low and behold it worked!  Not only that but the other
jack is connected to a wireless bridge, which is connected to a broadband
modem.  So all in all, its a great feature of this adapter, and saved me a lot
of troubles!

My adapter is a Farallon EtherWave AAUI adapter, and hub as well I guess.  How
nifty.

 -- From: Quadlist, Wed, Dec 25, 2002 -- 

I sold a few of these way back when.  I still have the scan up on my site:

http://www.io.com/~trag/aauiRJ45.jpg
>>

The totally kewl ones are the model which have a built-in hub.


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Re: AAUI ?

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In a message dated 12/24/02 11:19:39 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

<<
I sold a few of these way back when.  I still have the scan up on my site:

http://www.io.com/~trag/aauiRJ45.jpg
>>

The totally kewl ones are the model which have a built-in hub.

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Re: AAUI ?

[Jeff Walther]

>From: "J Sand" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2002 08:54:12 -0700

>I have an adaptor and will scan it later, as the Christmas duties are
>calling. Let me know if anyone wishes to have a scan of this device.
>

I sold a few of these way back when.  I still have the scan up on my site:

http://www.io.com/~trag/aauiRJ45.jpg

Jeff Walther

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Macromedia Dreamweaver 1.0

[Dan Palka]

Does anybody have any idea where I can still get ahold of a copy of the
Macromedia Dreamweaver 1.0 trial?  The one that still works on 68k macs.  I'm
very curious as to how Dreamweaver will work on my Quadra, especially now that
its upgraded.

If anybody has it or knows for sure where to find it that would be very much
appreciated!

Please don't tell me Macromedia I already thought of this - no can do.


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Re(2): QuadDoubler

[Dan Palka]

Well I'll get that to you then in the next couple of days.  Meanwhile you can
all see the Speedometer Results in jpg format here:

http://www.palkasoft.net/graph.jpg

And to clear thi ngs up, yes it is the Centris 650 board with the QuadDoubler
in it.  But I thought that was already established.

 -- From: Quadlist, Tue, Dec 24, 2002 -- 

I still want to see a scan of that board.  If your benchmark results are
correct, that 650 board is running about 50% faster than it's "supposed" to
be.


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Quaddoubler

[dana sibera]

>> It shouldn't be benchmarking faster if it's a C650.
>> It should be benchmarking
>> about 30% slower.
>
> Well its benchmarking (and simply is working) immensely faster.

That's the C650 board with quaddoubler, benchmarking faster than the 
normal Q800 right?.

Just to be clear on things :) (assuming it is a C650 board)

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Re(3): QuadDoubler results are in!!!

[Dan Palka]

Well its benchmarking (and simply is working) immensely faster.

Merry Christmas to all.

 -- From: Quadlist, Tue, Dec 24, 2002 -- 

It shouldn't be benchmarking faster if it's a C650.  It should be benchmarking
about 30% slower.


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Re: Apples & Hams

[the pickle]

At 22:24 -0600 on 23/12/02, Terry Ovans wrote:

>Can anyone tell me if there are any programs out there that will allow
>Ham Radio operators to use their Apple computers as code terminals and
>the like?

Not knowing what a "code terminal" is, I'd recommend you take a look at the
search results on versiontracker and/or macupdate for the following search
string:

"HAM radio"

I know there's something marginally useful out there for some Ham stuff but I'm
not sure what it does.  Not being a radio guy myself, I've never used it...
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Re: QuadDoubler

[the pickle]

At 12:16 -0600 on 24/12/02, Dan Palka wrote:

>I still don't know what I'm going to do about MicroMac.  Should I call them?
>Complain?

Well, it *was* guaranteed to work in *yours*, which it didn't, so you have a
legitimate reason to send it back and request your $200 back...

I still want to see a scan of that board.  If your benchmark results are
correct, that 650 board is running about 50% faster than it's "supposed" to be.
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Re: AAUI ?

[the pickle]

At 10:50 -0500 on 24/12/02, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

>Also, the AUI requires +12 and +5 volts from the host, whereas the A-AUI,
>being designed also to accommodate the realities of PowerBooks, requires +5
>volts only.

And AAUI doesn't look like a PC joystick port, or a monitor port, both of which
share a connector with AUI, often with disastrous results when the two are
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Re: AAUI ?

[the pickle]

At 08:09 -0700 on 24/12/02, J Sand wrote:

>Probably a dumb question, but here it goes.  What is a "AAUI"?

Apple Attachment Unit Interface.

It's the proprietary Ethernet connector Apple used on all
factory-Ethernet-equipped Macs until the middle of the PCI-based Power Mac line.
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Re: Re(2): QuadDoubler results are in!!!

[the pickle]

At 08:07 -0700 on 24/12/02, J Sand wrote:

>I downloaded a program called "Mactracker", but I think it is more of a
>database, than machine level diagnostics to determine the specs.

That's precisely what it is, and its system requirements are why I still prefer
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Re: Gammmmma

[the pickle]

At 23:17 -0600 on 23/12/02, Dan Palka wrote:

>Well after spending a day with two monitors on my Quadra 800, I mean Centris
>650, I mean,  AHH!  I began to get a bit annoyed with the fact that one of the
>displays is just brighter than the other.  I turned the gamma on the bright
>display down to uncorrected gamma, but its STILL brighter.
>
>And it wont let me choose anytyhing but uncorrected gamma on the dimmer
>display.
>
>Is there any contorl panel or something that will let me change the gamma on
>the displays to whatever I want?

Try googling for a control panel called Adobe Gamma.
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Re: 700-800 swap

[the pickle]

At 16:05 +1100 on 24/12/02, Sque wrote:

>7.5 Startup Disk wont erase the drive from the special menu claiming the
>drive is locked and the 7.5 Disk Tools disk will not show the desktop. I
>guess its stuck on working out what the hard drive is?

Sounds like it might not be an Apple drive.  Try a third-party formatter or the
hacked HD SC Setup in the FAQ.
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Re(2): QuadDoubler results are in!!!

[the pickle]

At 22:57 -0600 on 23/12/02, Dan Palka wrote:

>This must be what I have then because It has 4mb of onboard ram not 8, and no
>AAUI

It shouldn't be benchmarking faster if it's a C650.  It should be benchmarking
about 30% slower.
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Re(2): QuadDoubler results are in!!!

[the pickle]

At 22:56 -0600 on 23/12/02, Dan Palka wrote:

>Is there a downloadable program to actually tell me what kind of computer I
>have?

There are a lot that will read the gestalt ID; Apple System Profiler is
probably the most reliable at translating that to a machine name but it doesn't
work well on 68Ks unless you're running 8.1.

MacEnvy and TattleTech are great for extracting the gestalt ID, and putting
that along with "gestalt ID" into the search engine in the Apple knowledge base
will usually find everything you need on *any* Mac.
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Re: Gammmmma

[Bill Judson]

On 23 Dec 2002 23:17:51 -0600
"Dan Palka" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Well after spending a day with two monitors on my Quadra 800, I mean 
Centris
> 650, I mean,  AHH!  I began to get a bit annoyed with the fact that one 
of the
> displays is just brighter than the other.  I turned the gamma on the 
bright
> display down to uncorrected gamma, but its STILL brighter.
> 
> And it wont let me choose anytyhing but uncorrected gamma on the dimmer
> display.
> 
> Is there any contorl panel or something that will let me change the
gamma
on
> the displays to whatever I want?
> 
> I know you could calibrate displays and choose whatever gamma you want
in
> MacOS 8 and up, but there must be a way to do something similar in
system
7.

Early (i.e., pre-5) versions of the Adobe Photoshop installer, including 
demo versions such as you might find on an old MacAddict CD or something, 
install a fully functional Gamma control panel. (Vers. 5 has an Adobe
Gamma panel, which I think is probably PPC-only, since the program is, but
I haven't checked.)

If you don't have a Pshop demo handy, get in touch with me off-list.

And a hearty helping of seasonal cheer to you & all the Quadlist!

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2124NB II Nubus Graphics Card (Micro Conversions)

[Ken Watanabe]

(this is going to both 1st-PowerMacs and Quadlist since it applies to both)

I picked up a still shrink-wrapped "2124NB II" Nubus Graphics Card (made by
the now-defunct Micro Conversions) on eBay for a reasonable price.  It has
some interesting features such as Zoom (zooms in/out on a portion of the
screen near the mouse cursor by hitting a hot key) and Pan (runs a bigger
"virtual desktop" and allows "panning" around it by moving the mouse to the
edge of the currently visible area).  It also goes up to 1152x870 resolution
at millions of colors and does some hardware-based QuickDraw acceleration.

A LowEndMac page says it is compatible through Mac OS 9.0.4 (not with 9.1),
but that's not entirely true.  The HARDWARE works in my Mac OS 9.1 PowerMac
8100 (with a NewerTech G3).  However, the SOFTWARE (a control panel) causes
screen "artifacts" in some situations.  Without the control panel installed,
the card seems to behave properly, but QuickDraw acceleration and the
Pan/Zoom features are not enabled (you still get millions of colors at up to
1152x870).  The card's performance is noticeably slower than the PDS AV Card
that is standard on "AV" Nubus PowerMacs, even with QuickDraw acceleration
enabled on the 2124NB card.

The performance difference is likely to be more noticeable in my case
because my 8100 has a G3; on a non-accelerated nubus PowerMac running Mac OS
8.6 or 8.1 (or lower), the 2124NB would probably work quite well.  I say
that because I put the card in a Mac OS 8.1 Quadra 700 (with a Daystar PPC
601).  In that system (using either the 68040 or PPC CPU), everything seems
to work perfectly and the performance of the card nicely matches the
performance of the Mac.

Now, my Quadra 700 (with max vram) already has pretty decent built-in
graphics, but I think I'll leave the 2124NB in it for now.  If I ever attach
a larger monitor to it, I'll be able to get 24-bit color at a higher
resolution and could even make it a "two-headed" system.

Happy Holidays!

- Ken W


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Re: QuadDoubler

[Damond Walker]

> In my opinion, the QuadDoubler is not much more than
> a curiosity


It amazes me that they still insist on selling these things for as much as
they do.  They ought to be giving them away these days...

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Dreamweaver 1.0 68k

[Dan Palka]

Does anybody know where I can still download the Dreamweaver 1.0 Trial for
68k macs?

Would be very helpful for me to find this elusive piece of software

I want to try and see how dreamweaver runs on my Quadra.


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Re: QuadDoubler

[Dan Palka]

Well I'll tell you all it was NOT worth the incredible price I paid for all
of this stuff.

I did not buy it on ebay because I hate ebay.  Instead I bought them from a
reseller.  This QuadDoubler with warrantee in a Centris 650 board and 128
megs of RAM cost me about $200.  And the damn thing doesnt even work in the
Q800.

No it was not worth it all.  Thank god I have money to waste.

I still don't know what I'm going to do about MicroMac.  Should I call them?
Complain?

DONT BUY FROM MICROMAC

on 12/24/02 11:28 AM, Robert J. Johansen at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> I was glad to read of Dan's success with his 'doubler. I share his mixed
> feelings, though. It seems to me that the performance bump you get from these
> things is not worth the trouble or expense of dealing with them. If you can
> get one cheap (under $30-40) and don't expect miracles, go ahead. But the fact
> is that you can get a PPC upgrade for most Quads for $60-80 on eBay and really
> get a performance boost. In my opinion, the QuadDoubler is not much more than
> a curiosity


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Re: QuadDoubler results are in!!!

[PsycoPunkn]

It is DEFINITELY a Centris 650 board.  You dont need to double check, it will be a 
waste of time, because it is DEFINITELY a Centris 650.
Anyway, Im interested in this accelerator that will work in a Quadra 950.  Does it 
plug into the processor slot or the PDS slot?

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Re: QuadDoubler

[Robert J. Johansen]

Dear Quadraphiles:

Sorry I'm coming late to this party, but this time of year is pretty busy for
us clergy-types, so I've been behind on my e-mail. 

The pickle alluded to my experience with QuadDoublers yesterday when he wrote:

> If it has its own clock generator (where's Rob Johanssen when you need him?)
> then it should work just fine.

The Pickle and I had a look over a QuadDoubler-type gadget (see below) last
summer. 

QuadDoublers DO NOT have their own clock chips. They do exactly what the name
implies, double the clock speed (bus speed) of the main oscillator. They have
a little chip on them which effects this. 

The only gadget I'm aware of with it's own clock generator is something made
by Newer Tech in the early 90's for the Q950, which will run that machine at
50 mHz. It has its own Motorola clock generator chip which is programmable to
1.33, 1.5, and 2.0 times the oscillator frequency. It also has what appears to
be its own on-board cache. The CPU has an integral cooling fan on its
heatsink. I have tried that in my 950, and it did boot and report a speed of
50mHz. However, I could not get it to run stably under OS 7.6.1. It brought up
all kinds of strange errors, bombs and hangs. Furthermore, the software that
came with it did not appear to function. I have always meant to experiment
with backing the OS down to 7.5 or 7.1, and putting scrupulously tested 60 ns
RAM in it, but this 950 is heavily used and I just haven't gotten around to
that project yet. 

I've tried QuadDoublers in several different machines, with mixed results. I
have tried running one in my Q950, and it's not a matter of overheating: the
thing won't even start up. You just can't get that thing to run at 66 mHz. It
will work in a Q700. I even put it into a Q605 for grins, and it worked OK
there, though you couldn't close the case back up. It was kind of neat playing
Doom II for an hour or so on that 605 cooking along at 50 mHz. 

I was glad to read of Dan's success with his 'doubler. I share his mixed
feelings, though. It seems to me that the performance bump you get from these
things is not worth the trouble or expense of dealing with them. If you can
get one cheap (under $30-40) and don't expect miracles, go ahead. But the fact
is that you can get a PPC upgrade for most Quads for $60-80 on eBay and really
get a performance boost. In my opinion, the QuadDoubler is not much more than
a curiosity. 

Pax,

Fr. Rob Johansen

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Re: AAUI ?

[Tyler Hardison]

:cut
Competitive machines (Sun, e.g., and many others as well) elected to use the
industry-standard AUI interface.
:cut

Not so fast. Sun released a sbus le card that had aaui. I have one of these
cards. When I first saw it I thought it must have been a fluke. But from
the looks of it if you had an all apple network you could obtain it.

Who knows what the hell they were thinking :-)

For history sake I can digi-cam this and show it off.

Other manufacturers were not above creating their own connectors. Qec cards
also had the infamous MII connector.

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Re: Merry Christmas!

[Brent Pollard]

Artur Yelchishchev wrote:

> Hello Quadlisters,
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> Merry Chri$tma$, and Happy New Year to you!
>
> Sincerely,
> Artur
>

Merry X-Ma$

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Re: AAUI ?

[J Sand]

I have an adaptor and will scan it later, as the Christmas duties are 
calling. Let me know if anyone wishes to have a scan of this device.

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Re: AAUI ?

[PeterH5322]

In a message dated 12/24/02 7:29:07 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

<<
Earlier Power Macintosh and Quadra computers have the Ethernet icon, as in 
Figure 1, but with a different style of port. This is the Apple Attachment 
Unit Interface (AAUI) port ...
>>

Competitive machines (Sun, e.g., and many others as well) elected to use the 
industry-standard AUI interface.

Apple, for reasons of conservation of backpanel space, elected to use its own 
version of the AUI, and it (Apple), quite naturally, dubbed this equivalent, 
but different interface, the Apple Attachment User Interface, or A-AUI.

Among several differences are the AUI's largish DB-15 connector, with a 
single sliding bail, and the A-AUI's micro-miniature 16 pin connector, with a 
double latch.

Also, the AUI requires +12 and +5 volts from the host, whereas the A-AUI, 
being designed also to accommodate the realities of PowerBooks, requires +5 
volts only.

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Re: PC RAM for Mac

[J Sand]

Used FAQ to find GUide to Ram Update (GURU), thanks pickle!

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Re: AAUI ?

[Frederick Silliman]

 From Apple Knowledge Base:

Earlier computers

Earlier Power Macintosh and Quadra computers have the Ethernet icon, as 
in Figure 1, but with a different style of port. This is the Apple 
Attachment Unit Interface (AAUI) port. This type of port requires a 
transceiver, a small box that adapts the AAUI to the type of cabling 
used (such as RJ-45). On Power Macintosh computers that came with both 
an AAUI and RJ-45 port, you can use only one at a time.

P.F.Grenier wrote:

>On Tuesday, Dec 24, 2002, at 10:09 US/Eastern, J Sand wrote:
>
>  
>
>>Probably a dumb question, but here it goes.  What is a "AAUI"?
>>
>>John
>>
>>
>>
>
>The Apple version of AUI ;-)
>
>It's that funny little connector under the <...> on the backplane. It's 
>for ethernet using different transceivers for different cable types.
>
>
>  
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Re: AAUI ?

[J Sand]

Is that the funny looking port on the back for networking?  I do have an 
adaptor to make it a "normal" network connection.

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Re: Gammmmma

[J Sand]

Are the monitors identical?  There is also the possibility that one monitor 
is "shot".  If you can, try it on another system and see if it has the same 
problems.

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Re: AAUI ?

[P . F . Grenier]

On Tuesday, Dec 24, 2002, at 10:09 US/Eastern, J Sand wrote:

>
>
> Probably a dumb question, but here it goes.  What is a "AAUI"?
>
> John
>

The Apple version of AUI ;-)

It's that funny little connector under the <...> on the backplane. It's 
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Re: Stuff it 4.5 Freeware

[J Sand]

I spoke before I could verify functionality, could someone please tell me 
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Re: AAUI ?

[Frederick Silliman]

Apple's early Ethernet

J Sand wrote:

>Probably a dumb question, but here it goes.  What is a "AAUI"?
>
>John
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AAUI ?

[J Sand]

Probably a dumb question, but here it goes.  What is a "AAUI"?

John






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Re: Re(2): QuadDoubler results are in!!!

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I downloaded a program called "Mactracker", but I think it is more of a  
database, than machine level diagnostics to determine the specs.

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Merry Christmas!

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Merry Christmas to all and to all a good "Mac"!

Best wishes gang,

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Re: Merry Christmas!

[P . F . Grenier]

On Tuesday, Dec 24, 2002, at 08:44 US/Eastern, Artur Yelchishchev wrote:

> Hello Quadlisters,
>
> Merry Christmas, and Happy New Year to you!
>
> Sincerely,
> Artur
>

Please mark it OT!

Just kidding
I would like to add "Peace on earth" and on all the LEM lists...


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Re: Merry Christmas to all

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Re: Merry Christmas!

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> Hello Quadlisters,
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Merry Christmas!

[Artur Yelchishchev]

Hello Quadlisters,

Merry Christmas, and Happy New Year to you!

Sincerely,
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Re: QuadDoubler results are in!!!

[John Laughlin]

>They both had Ethernet on-board, and neither would benchmark faster in
>Speedometer.

Er, not necessarily.  Remember, the 4MB Centris 650 doesn't have ethernet,
or a full '040.  So, there's a GOOD chance that the board Dan has is the
base Centris 650 board.
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