Re: [q] translation needed

[Ian Gowen]

The best place I know is retromac68k, a hotline server. You'll need a
hotline client, and they have the CD images available for
download(about 200MB total IIRC). The address is
retromac68k.dyndns.org

--Ian

On Tue, 24 Aug 2004 13:05:24 -0700, Dave Oliphant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Where does one obtain an installable copy of a/ux?
> 
> I've never seen one available anywhere in my limited searching.
> 
> Dave 
> 
> 
> 
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> I installed a/ux on my q800, which was a very interesting experience.
> It's a weird blender of *nix and Mac. The only problem with it is that it
> doesn't like most cdrom drives... I think Apple 300's and 600's are the only
> ones that work.
> 
> On Tue, 24 Aug 2004 07:36:00 -0700 (PDT), Bryan Feagin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> > > Some of the light wieght
> > > desktop managers
> > > >>are said to work well, if a little slow.
> >
> > I've tried the FVWM window manager w/ Debian 68k on my Q840AV.  It was
> > fairly quick, but low resolution (640x480 I think) and only like 8 bit
> > color.  If you have a Q700, Q800, or Q900/950, then I think a much
> > better solution is to run A/UX 3.1 ... the best of all worlds.  :)
> >
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Re: [q] translation needed

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the main problem with a/ux is that it is no longer patched.  when you run a unix 
machine connected to a network you need to be current.  you can maybemake it current 
with pkgsrc.  netbsd or debian or openbsd are the only alternatives.  however openbsd 
does not like to compile itself so that is out.

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Re: [q] translation needed

[Dave Oliphant]

Where does one obtain an installable copy of a/ux?

I've never seen one available anywhere in my limited searching.

Dave 

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I installed a/ux on my q800, which was a very interesting experience.
It's a weird blender of *nix and Mac. The only problem with it is that it
doesn't like most cdrom drives... I think Apple 300's and 600's are the only
ones that work.

On Tue, 24 Aug 2004 07:36:00 -0700 (PDT), Bryan Feagin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> > Some of the light wieght
> > desktop managers
> > >>are said to work well, if a little slow.
> 
> I've tried the FVWM window manager w/ Debian 68k on my Q840AV.  It was 
> fairly quick, but low resolution (640x480 I think) and only like 8 bit 
> color.  If you have a Q700, Q800, or Q900/950, then I think a much 
> better solution is to run A/UX 3.1 ... the best of all worlds.  :)
> 
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Re: [q] translation needed

[Ian Gowen]

I installed a/ux on my q800, which was a very interesting experience.
It's a weird blender of *nix and Mac. The only problem with it is that
it doesn't like most cdrom drives... I think Apple 300's and 600's are
the only ones that work.

On Tue, 24 Aug 2004 07:36:00 -0700 (PDT), Bryan Feagin
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Some of the light wieght
> > desktop managers
> > >>are said to work well, if a little slow.
> 
> I've tried the FVWM window manager w/ Debian 68k on my
> Q840AV.  It was fairly quick, but low resolution
> (640x480 I think) and only like 8 bit color.  If you
> have a Q700, Q800, or Q900/950, then I think a much
> better solution is to run A/UX 3.1 ... the best of all
> worlds.  :)
> 
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Re: [q] translation needed

[Bryan Feagin]

> Some of the light wieght
> desktop managers
> >>are said to work well, if a little slow.

I've tried the FVWM window manager w/ Debian 68k on my
Q840AV.  It was fairly quick, but low resolution
(640x480 I think) and only like 8 bit color.  If you
have a Q700, Q800, or Q900/950, then I think a much
better solution is to run A/UX 3.1 ... the best of all
worlds.  :)

-B.


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Re: [q] translation needed

[Sque]

Stephen Alexander wrote:
here's a quick rundown for you:
cli is comand line interpreter, as you'd use in DOS or unix, as opposed to a 
GUI like Mac OS

kde is a window environment which runs on unix-type systems, of which linux 
and BSD are members. It's an implementation of X-windows.

nix box is a reference to a Unix or linux computer. The way X-windows is set 
up, you can run programs on one machine and have them display on another 
computer's monitor. This can be done in a completely cross-platform manner, 
so that as long as whatever machine you're displaying on can run some sort of 
X-window environment you can display the output from whatever type of machine 
you like. Exodus is one of those programs which will display X-windows on 
macintosh OS. I haven't used it in probably 8 years but it was good then so 
I'm sure it's great now.

hope this helps.
Helped me, thanks. :)
Apple are not the most open of companies so alot of what works under 
nix is not always the best way to go about about things and has been 
reached through trial and error. The way xfree works is an example, it 
works but not as fast as the finder under the MacOS, add that to a 
virtual memory mess with less than wonderful drive access, then start 
opening programs. Easier if you dont place the strain on the 68k and 
stick with cli.

Always better to try it yourself and I'm told netbsd has improved its 
disc access and virtual memory, I havent tried it lately.

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Re: [q] translation needed

[Sque]

Dwight Hines wrote:
Mainly only good for cli, I've run kde but its way to slow. Netbsd is
not much better or worse. Some of the light wieght desktop managers
are said to work well, if a little slow.
If you already have a nix box of some sort you could try a vnc client
on the mac or Exodus which is rather excellent, even better if you
know how to configure your firewall properly. :)
When configured you can run nix programs at good speed on your quadra
which is fun. Win4Lin runs well in a window, sometime I'll try
Sheepshaver, OS9 on a unaccellerated quad, in a window. :)

Need to parse this and make it intelligible for a wanderer in the wilderness
like me.
So, please define the terms you use, like nix box and so on.
Hi Dwight.
CLI is Command Line Interface or lots of dos like typing to do things 
rather than a GUI or Graphical User Interface, like the MacOS.
The advantage here is speed, CLI is much faster on a 68k mac than a 
nix GUI.

KDE is a bloated Desktop Manager, a desktop manager being the program 
that provides the GUI, on a mac this would be the finder, on windows 
it would be explorer (?).
I say KDE is bloated, under NIX you have the choice of many DM's all 
are lighter than KDE and so provide less function, you can install 
parts of KDE making the install much smaller.

NIX box is a computer running linux or unix or a mix of both, I try 
not to favor either linux (debian) or unix (netbsd) on a mac list so 
NIX is what I call both flavors.

You can install different servers on a nix box, by using a client 
program on another machine you can view/use the desktop of the the nix 
box with the monitor, keyboard and mouse on the client machine.

If you had a nix server that was much faster than the mac client you 
could connect to the server and make use of the nix programs at good 
speed without installing any more than the client program under the 
MacOS. This is limited to the speed of the conection between the 
server and client computers, the standard inbuilt 10T is slower than a 
10/100 connection but much faster than loading nix on a q700.

A VNC client or Exodus provide a client on the MacOS which you use to 
connect to the nix server.

Win4Lin is an excellent windows emulator for i386 flavors of linux in 
the same way Mac on Linux (forgot the name, sorry) will only work on 
ppc flavors of linux.

SheepShaver is a MacOS 7.5 - 9.0 emulator that you can compile for 
most flavors of nix (but not win32 (windows) yet).

Both of these programs can be served from a linux server and can run 
in a window on the quadra.

Clear as mud now? ;)
A q900 is not the best machine to make a nix desktop out of. If you 
have a use for a server then a flavor of nix may do the job for you.
If you would like to use a desktop at good speed with good function, 
stick to the MacOS. :)

LEM has a MaX list where you will find other folks who both use 68k 
macs and can help you to get started if you really want to try nix on 
a mac. Its a quiet list unless some asks a question.

A tip, find a second drive of say 2 gig or more to install nix onto, 
the standard drives in 68k macs are slow. This will make life easier 
than trying to partition the drive you have now.


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Re: [q] translation needed

[Stephen Alexander]

I guess to tie it all together I should mention for the uninitiated that it 
takes a lot more processor and memory to run graphics quickly which is why 
the machine is mentioned as being mostly only good for CLI. Of course if the 
program is being executed remotely and only displayed locally, as is possible 
with X-windows, less resources are being used locally and thus you would see 
a speed increase if you are using the machine for display only and not 
program execution.

Cheers,

Stephen

On Monday August 23 2004 09:10 pm, Stephen Alexander wrote:
> here's a quick rundown for you:
> 
> cli is comand line interpreter, as you'd use in DOS or unix, as opposed to a 
> GUI like Mac OS
> 
> kde is a window environment which runs on unix-type systems, of which linux 
> and BSD are members. It's an implementation of X-windows.
> 
> nix box is a reference to a Unix or linux computer. The way X-windows is set 
> up, you can run programs on one machine and have them display on another 
> computer's monitor. This can be done in a completely cross-platform manner, 
> so that as long as whatever machine you're displaying on can run some sort 
of 
> X-window environment you can display the output from whatever type of 
machine 
> you like. Exodus is one of those programs which will display X-windows on 
> macintosh OS. I haven't used it in probably 8 years but it was good then so 
> I'm sure it's great now.
> 
> hope this helps.
> 
> On Monday August 23 2004 10:35 pm, Dwight Hines wrote:
> > 
> > > Mainly only good for cli, I've run kde but its way to slow. Netbsd is
> > > not much better or worse. Some of the light wieght desktop managers
> > > are said to work well, if a little slow.
> > > 
> > > If you already have a nix box of some sort you could try a vnc client
> > > on the mac or Exodus which is rather excellent, even better if you
> > > know how to configure your firewall properly. :)
> > > When configured you can run nix programs at good speed on your quadra
> > > which is fun. Win4Lin runs well in a window, sometime I'll try
> > > Sheepshaver, OS9 on a unaccellerated quad, in a window. :)

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Re: [q] translation needed

[Stephen Alexander]

here's a quick rundown for you:

cli is comand line interpreter, as you'd use in DOS or unix, as opposed to a 
GUI like Mac OS

kde is a window environment which runs on unix-type systems, of which linux 
and BSD are members. It's an implementation of X-windows.

nix box is a reference to a Unix or linux computer. The way X-windows is set 
up, you can run programs on one machine and have them display on another 
computer's monitor. This can be done in a completely cross-platform manner, 
so that as long as whatever machine you're displaying on can run some sort of 
X-window environment you can display the output from whatever type of machine 
you like. Exodus is one of those programs which will display X-windows on 
macintosh OS. I haven't used it in probably 8 years but it was good then so 
I'm sure it's great now.

hope this helps.

On Monday August 23 2004 10:35 pm, Dwight Hines wrote:
> 
> > Mainly only good for cli, I've run kde but its way to slow. Netbsd is
> > not much better or worse. Some of the light wieght desktop managers
> > are said to work well, if a little slow.
> > 
> > If you already have a nix box of some sort you could try a vnc client
> > on the mac or Exodus which is rather excellent, even better if you
> > know how to configure your firewall properly. :)
> > When configured you can run nix programs at good speed on your quadra
> > which is fun. Win4Lin runs well in a window, sometime I'll try
> > Sheepshaver, OS9 on a unaccellerated quad, in a window. :)
> > 
> > cheers
> 
> 
> Need to parse this and make it intelligible for a wanderer in the wilderness
> like me.
> 
> So, please define the terms you use, like nix box and so on.

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[q] translation needed

[Dwight Hines]

> Mainly only good for cli, I've run kde but its way to slow. Netbsd is
> not much better or worse. Some of the light wieght desktop managers
> are said to work well, if a little slow.
> 
> If you already have a nix box of some sort you could try a vnc client
> on the mac or Exodus which is rather excellent, even better if you
> know how to configure your firewall properly. :)
> When configured you can run nix programs at good speed on your quadra
> which is fun. Win4Lin runs well in a window, sometime I'll try
> Sheepshaver, OS9 on a unaccellerated quad, in a window. :)
> 
> cheers


Need to parse this and make it intelligible for a wanderer in the wilderness
like me.

So, please define the terms you use, like nix box and so on.

d


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