[q]Re: What's the best NuBus video card?
On 2/12/2004 11:17 AM, Powermac felt like writing: I think the fastest boards were the ones made by Radius for the last nubus macs (Radius Thunder IV Gx 1600) since by that time they were one of the few companies left. The built in video is generally faster then anything you can plug into a slow nubus slot, but you are limited to 2mb of vram. Since the 840AV machine has built in DSP's finding a video card with dsp's (the radius I mentioned) would probably be a waste of time (and doesn't work with os 8.x I believe). I have an inexpensive Supermac Thunder 24 (Radius purchased The speed of Nubus hadn't crossed my mind. Good point. Any rough ideas on how much speed one gets from DSPs? Too bad there isn't a card that would just add VRAM slots. Has it been confirmed that the 840 can't use VRAM chips larger than 256k? Just because Apple didn't certify it doesn't mean it won't work; witness the SE/30 and 16MB SIMMs. I am using MacOS 7.6.1 and NetBSD on my Quadra. I probably should have mentioned that. Supermac and rebadged some cards I believe) board in my 950 system that allows for high resolution video (has 3mb+ of memory?) a.. 640x480 up to 24-bit b.. 832x624 up to 24-bit c.. 1024x768 (at 75 Hz) up to 24-bit d.. 1152x870 up to 24-bit I suppose I could reverse all these numbers to figure out how much RAM it must have, but it's going to be awfully tedious to do this for all the cards I find online. (Seems to be 3MB if my math is right.) Interesting that video cards used to be sold by the res/color modes they supported, and now they're simply sold by how much VRAM is onboard. Maybe my best bet is to just make sure I have my VRAM maxxed out. I don't know if hunting/paying for a slow 3 or 4MB card is going to be better than the fast 2MB I could have otherwise. Tim -- Tim Larson, Webmaster Skin Specialists - LovelySkin.com 402.334.SKIN For a more beautiful you, surf us! -- Quadlist is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Quadlist info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/quadlist.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/quadlist%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
[q]Re: What's the best NuBus video card?
On 13/02/2004, at 5:10 AM, Tim Larson wrote: On 2/12/2004 11:17 AM, Powermac felt like writing: I think the fastest boards were the ones made by Radius for the last nubus macs (Radius Thunder IV Gx 1600) since by that time they were one of the few companies left. The built in video is generally faster then anything you can plug into a slow nubus slot, but you are limited to 2mb of vram. Since the 840AV machine has built in DSP's finding a video card with dsp's (the radius I mentioned) would probably be a waste of time (and doesn't work with os 8.x I believe). I have an inexpensive Supermac Thunder 24 (Radius purchased The speed of Nubus hadn't crossed my mind. Good point. Any rough ideas on how much speed one gets from DSPs? I have a Thunder IV 1360, and using it in a Powermac 7100 with the DSP plugins for photoshop 4.0 lets it resize/gaussian blur/some other filters almost the speed of my G3/400 iMac (tested on some of large images). It's a phenomenal boost for those features it helps. For everything else, it's just a nice quick and featureful NuBus graphics card. It does run a little slower in the 68ks I've used it on, but not in any way deficient. If you like flashing lights, it's a nice card too. There's a row of LEDs on the card itself that indicate when a DSP is being used. They flash away like crazy in photoshop :) dana -- Quadlist is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Quadlist info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/quadlist.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/quadlist%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
[q]Re: What's the best NuBus video card?
- Original Message - From: Tim Larson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Quadlist [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2004 1:10 PM Subject: [q]Re: What's the best NuBus video card? On 2/12/2004 11:17 AM, Powermac felt like writing: I think the fastest boards were the ones made by Radius for the last nubus macs (Radius Thunder IV Gx 1600) since by that time they were one of the few companies left. The built in video is generally faster then anything you can plug into a slow nubus slot, but you are limited to 2mb of vram. Since the 840AV machine has built in DSP's finding a video card with dsp's (the radius I mentioned) would probably be a waste of time (and doesn't work with os 8.x I believe). I have an inexpensive Supermac Thunder 24 (Radius purchased The speed of Nubus hadn't crossed my mind. Good point. Any rough ideas on how much speed one gets from DSPs? Too bad there isn't a card that would just add VRAM slots. Has it been confirmed that the 840 can't use VRAM chips larger than 256k? Just because Apple didn't certify it doesn't mean it won't work; witness the SE/30 and 16MB SIMMs. I am using MacOS 7.6.1 and NetBSD on my Quadra. I probably should have mentioned that. Supermac and rebadged some cards I believe) board in my 950 system that allows for high resolution video (has 3mb+ of memory?) a.. 640x480 up to 24-bit b.. 832x624 up to 24-bit c.. 1024x768 (at 75 Hz) up to 24-bit d.. 1152x870 up to 24-bit I suppose I could reverse all these numbers to figure out how much RAM it must have, but it's going to be awfully tedious to do this for all the cards I find online. (Seems to be 3MB if my math is right.) Interesting that video cards used to be sold by the res/color modes they supported, and now they're simply sold by how much VRAM is onboard. Maybe my best bet is to just make sure I have my VRAM maxxed out. I don't know if hunting/paying for a slow 3 or 4MB card is going to be better than the fast 2MB I could have otherwise. Tim The onboard ram became more important when people started going 3D since the more memory you have the more textures you can store in video memory. For just 2d anything over 4-8mb wouldn't be used anyway even on a 22 monitor. Even if you could use larger VRAM chips on the motherboard if the video chip isn't designed to use more memory and the drivers are not written for using more memory then you will still be out of luck. I upgraded my 840AV to have full vram (2mb) along with 128MB of system ram and that's good enough for what I use the system for. There has always been a see-saw battle between custom chips and CPU's for doing tasks. DSP's were popular for a while for doing Photoshop work until the PPC and Intel MMX chips became fast enough to do it just like hardware MPEG decoders were popular until the CPU was fast enough to do it on its own. From what I remember the 840AV used the DSP's for controlling its modem port instead of using a dedicated hardware modem (never tried it to see how well it works) just like there are allot of (shitty) winmodems used on the Intel PCs these days. -- Quadlist is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Quadlist info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/quadlist.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/quadlist%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
