Re: Can a Performa 475 drive an AppleColor Monitor?

2002-10-25 Thread doctor 
The answer is yes a 475 can drive an AppleColor Monitor, but you might not
like the result.

The IIgs has an RGB port which is similar to the 15 pin mac port.  I think
it might even be as far as pin compatible, but I'm not completely sure
about that.

The IIgs monitor used RGB with a refresh rate of about 15.75khz.  This is
the same rate that standard NTSC televisions use.

To mate that monitor to your 475 you would have to build or aquire the
cable to get the pins matching up, then you would need to short certain
pins together on the 475 monitor port so that the 475 would output in NTSC
mode.  This is a valid output mode on the 475.

The resulting video would likely be 512x384 interlaced with a refresh of
15.75khz.

Here's some info for further study:

Apple II FAQ (the relevant pages):

http://www.apple2.org/faq/FAQ.csa2.206.html
http://www.apple2.org/faq/FAQ.csa2.207.html

Apple II Monitor FAQ:

http://www.faqs.org/faqs/apple2/faq/part16/

Here's the pinouts for the monitor:

Apple IIgs' DA-15 end
___
| |
\  1   2   3   4   5   6   7   8  /
 \   /
  \  9   10  11  12  13  14  15 /
   \___/


IIgs DA-15
---
 1 = Red Ground
 2 = Red
 3 = Composite Sync
 4 = N/C
 5 = Green
 6 = Green Ground
 7 = -5V
 8 = +12V
 9 = Blue
10 = N/C
11 = Analog sound
12 = NTSC/PAL Composite video
13 = Blue Ground
14 = N/C
15 = N/C


Anyways, have fun with it.  Let me know if you have any luck.  I haven't
tried it myself.

David


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Re: Can a Performa 475 drive an AppleColor Monitor?

2002-10-24 Thread Scott Holder 
It is a DB-15. "Db-15" is the name of the physical connector itself. It
doesn't say anything about what's going through it. I could wire up some
DB-15s to my car's spark plugs and it would probably work - But I'm not
going to be able to control my car from a PC Joystick just because it
fits. 

It's one of those annoying things of the computer world :) Trying to
figure out whether a term refers to the hardware, the software, or the
protocol :)

Scott Holder

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As I was forcefully informed, it's not a DB-15.  ;-)

The IIgs provides both composite video through an RCA socket and some
sort of RGB monitor support through the DB-15 (sic) socket.

As my original post said, I was trying to find out if the AppleColor RGB
Monitor from a IIgs could be driven from an LC475/P475/Q605 mobo.


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Re: Can a Performa 475 drive an AppleColor Monitor?

2002-10-24 Thread the pickle 
At 07:44 -0500 on 24/10/02, Spiritus ex Machina wrote:

>As I was forcefully informed, it's not a DB-15.  ;-)
>
>The IIgs provides both composite video through an RCA socket and some sort
>of RGB monitor support through the DB-15 (sic) socket.

It's definitely a DB-15.  It just isn't a DB-15 that carries Mac video signals.
DB-15 is the name of the connector.  The signals can be anything you want ;)
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Re: Can a Performa 475 drive an AppleColor Monitor?

2002-10-24 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
>From the www.apple2.org FAQ:

"4.8 Can I use my GS Monitor on a Mac or PC?

A: As stated above in using other monitors on the GS, the GS monitor
expects a 15Khz horizontal refresh signal. In addition, the monitor
itself has an 0.37" dot pitch, which as far as modern monitors go,
that is atrocious. It'd be best to get a monitor designed for other
systems on them. 

If trying to connect to a Macintosh, only the original Mac Nubus 8-bit
(256-color) video card is known to work with the GS's monitor. Once
connected, you'll be able to do 640x480 in interlaced mode.
[Interlaced mode is flickery to many people, and a very subpar video
mode]"


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Re: Can a Performa 475 drive an AppleColor Monitor?

2002-10-24 Thread Spiritus ex Machina 
As I was forcefully informed, it's not a DB-15.  ;-)

The IIgs provides both composite video through an RCA socket and some sort
of RGB monitor support through the DB-15 (sic) socket.

As my original post said, I was trying to find out if the AppleColor RGB
Monitor from a IIgs could be driven from an LC475/P475/Q605 mobo.

Sp00ky

>At 07:24 +0100 on 24/10/02, Jim Pendarvis wrote:
>
Interesting, because the two computers have completely different (and
incompatible without extra hardware) video subsystems...
>>>
>>>Apparently not. ;-)
>>>
>>>Both the IIgs and the Macs use DB-15 Video connectors. I know the Apple
>>>IIe, IIc and earlier used a composite video connector. The IIgs might have
>>>one of those as well, but I don't have one handy to check just now.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>The IIgs does have composite video.
>
>...and the mystery DB-15 video-out port does what, looks pretty? :)
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Re: Can a Performa 475 drive an AppleColor Monitor?

2002-10-24 Thread the pickle 
At 07:24 +0100 on 24/10/02, Jim Pendarvis wrote:

>>>Interesting, because the two computers have completely different (and
>>>incompatible without extra hardware) video subsystems...
>>
>>Apparently not. ;-)
>>
>>Both the IIgs and the Macs use DB-15 Video connectors. I know the Apple
>>IIe, IIc and earlier used a composite video connector. The IIgs might have
>>one of those as well, but I don't have one handy to check just now.
>>
>>
>
>The IIgs does have composite video.

...and the mystery DB-15 video-out port does what, looks pretty? :)
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Re: Can a Performa 475 drive an AppleColor Monitor?

2002-10-24 Thread Jim Pendarvis 
>>Interesting, because the two computers have completely different (and
>>incompatible without extra hardware) video subsystems...
>
>Apparently not. ;-)
>
>Both the IIgs and the Macs use DB-15 Video connectors. I know the Apple
>IIe, IIc and earlier used a composite video connector. The IIgs might have
>one of those as well, but I don't have one handy to check just now.
>
>

The IIgs does have composite video.

jim



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Re: Can a Performa 475 drive an AppleColor Monitor?

2002-10-23 Thread otto hansen 
the pixels are kinda bigg though...oregon trail is still fun though

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At 22:03 -0500 on 23/10/02, otto hansen wrote:

>well of course ;) (this is currently what I use to view my IIgs since I
>didnt want to find a monitor)

Precisely my point :)
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Re: Can a Performa 475 drive an AppleColor Monitor?

2002-10-23 Thread the pickle 
At 22:03 -0500 on 23/10/02, otto hansen wrote:

>well of course ;) (this is currently what I use to view my IIgs since I
>didnt want to find a monitor)

Precisely my point :)
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Re: Can a Performa 475 drive an AppleColor Monitor?

2002-10-23 Thread otto hansen 
well of course ;) (this is currently what I use to view my IIgs since I
didnt want to find a monitor)

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At 21:31 -0500 on 23/10/02, otto hansen wrote:

>I think the question is:
>
>can an Apple IIgs drive a Marantz 58inch HDTV plasma display?

Does it have composite video-in?
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Re: Can a Performa 475 drive an AppleColor Monitor?

2002-10-23 Thread the pickle 
At 21:31 -0500 on 23/10/02, otto hansen wrote:

>I think the question is:
>
>can an Apple IIgs drive a Marantz 58inch HDTV plasma display?

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Re: Can a Performa 475 drive an AppleColor Monitor?

2002-10-23 Thread otto hansen 
I think the question is:

can an Apple IIgs drive a Marantz 58inch HDTV plasma display?

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>Interesting, because the two computers have completely different (and
>incompatible without extra hardware) video subsystems...

Apparently not. ;-)

Both the IIgs and the Macs use DB-15 Video connectors. I know the Apple
IIe, IIc and earlier used a composite video connector. The IIgs might have
one of those as well, but I don't have one handy to check just now.



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Re: Can a Performa 475 drive an AppleColor Monitor?

2002-10-23 Thread Kris Jones 
> >Both the IIgs and the Macs use DB-15 Video connectors. I know the Apple
>
>AUI Ethernet uses a DB-15 too, but that doesn't mean it works to drive a
>monitor.  People have tried what you claim works many many times and no one
>except you has ever gotten it to work.  Care to prove your accomplishment 
>to
>the rest of us?

Does that mean I can use a IIgs monitor on my PC's joystick port? It's DB-15 
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Re: Can a Performa 475 drive an AppleColor Monitor?

2002-10-23 Thread the pickle 
At 15:14 -0400 on 23/10/02, David Pierce wrote:

>>Interesting, because the two computers have completely different (and
>>incompatible without extra hardware) video subsystems...
>
>Apparently not. ;-)
>
>Both the IIgs and the Macs use DB-15 Video connectors. I know the Apple

AUI Ethernet uses a DB-15 too, but that doesn't mean it works to drive a
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Re: Can a Performa 475 drive an AppleColor Monitor?

2002-10-23 Thread David Pierce 
>Interesting, because the two computers have completely different (and
>incompatible without extra hardware) video subsystems...

Apparently not. ;-)

Both the IIgs and the Macs use DB-15 Video connectors. I know the Apple
IIe, IIc and earlier used a composite video connector. The IIgs might have
one of those as well, but I don't have one handy to check just now.



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Re: Can a Performa 475 drive an AppleColor Monitor?

2002-10-23 Thread the pickle 
At 15:15 -0400 on 21/10/02, David Pierce wrote:

>I've used AppleColor Monitors from the schools old Apple IIgs collection
>with both Apple IIgs-es as well as the odd Performa, LC, and even a couple
>of old power macs. Don't have the model numbers handy, but they worked.

Interesting, because the two computers have completely different (and
incompatible without extra hardware) video subsystems...
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Re: Can a Performa 475 drive an AppleColor Monitor?

2002-10-21 Thread David Pierce 
I've used AppleColor Monitors from the schools old Apple IIgs collection
with both Apple IIgs-es as well as the odd Performa, LC, and even a couple
of old power macs. Don't have the model numbers handy, but they worked.

But about half of them are busted 'cuz they're so old.

>On Sun, 20 Oct 2002 at 18:50:58 -0400, the pickled replied:
>>At 22:54 -0500 on 18/10/02, Spiritus ex Machina wrote:
>>
>>>475 main board and an AppleColor RGB Monitor (Model A2M6014) that I would
>>
>>The A2 in the model number gives that away as an Apple II monitor, which
>>can't
>>work with a Mac.
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Re: Can a Performa 475 drive an AppleColor Monitor?

2002-10-20 Thread Spiritus ex Machina 
Thanks, pickle. I was afraid that was the case. I picked up an Apple IIgs
with monitor, keyboard, mouse, 3,5 and 5.25 external drives, and 3 ft**3 of
game software on floppies at a yard sale. Also salvaged a Performa 475
eleswhere. I sort of like the look of the IIgs, so I thought I'd try a hack
to put the 475 mobo in the IIgs case - plenty of room, IIgs power supply is
beefier than P475, and P475 case can provide back-panel insert. Of course
the AppleColor monitor is need to maintain the "look". Oh well ...

Anyone out there interested in a LOT of really low-density 3.5 & 5.25
floppies?  :-(

Sp00ky

On Sun, 20 Oct 2002 at 18:50:58 -0400, the pickled replied:
>At 22:54 -0500 on 18/10/02, Spiritus ex Machina wrote:
>
>>475 main board and an AppleColor RGB Monitor (Model A2M6014) that I would
>
>The A2 in the model number gives that away as an Apple II monitor, which can't
>work with a Mac.
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