Re: 630 motherboard slots

[the pickle]

At 20:50 +0100 on 09/03/03, Peter 64a wrote:

>Thanks for the reply. A mirrored video signal to a DB-15 connector does that
>mean a possibility to add a another screen to the computer? And sorry for my

Yes, but only with the picture on the monitor you have hooked up now.

>ignorance but what is an AIO-version?

AIO = all-in-one.
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Re: 630 motherboard slots

[Peter 64a]

Video-out via a piece of hardware Apple made that goes in that slot and 
sends a
mirrored video signal to a DB-15 connector on the back of the machine.  Most
often used in the AIO versions of that machine.

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Thanks for the reply. A mirrored video signal to a DB-15 connector does that 
mean a possibility to add a another screen to the computer? And sorry for my 
ignorance but what is an AIO-version?

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Re: 630 motherboard slots

[the pickle]

At 11:24 +0100 on 09/03/03, Peter 64a wrote:

>The second is a shord one at the back of the card by the battery. I hav no
>idea what this is for.

Video-out via a piece of hardware Apple made that goes in that slot and sends a
mirrored video signal to a DB-15 connector on the back of the machine.  Most
often used in the AIO versions of that machine.

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Re: 630 Dos Compatible Card - OS setup query

[Sque]

john raineri wrote:

>I have searched and read the FAQ's, and collected about 20-30 urls in my 
>favourites about this Quadra DOS thang... but couldn't find a solution to 
>my question "How to get dos into the ($8.00 ebay) Performa 630 Logic Board 
>with DOS Compatible card installed?" RAM is installed on both the mother 
>board and the DOS card. 
>

http://download.info.apple.com/Apple_Support_Area/Apple_Software_Updates/English-North_American/DOS-Windows/DOS_and_PC_Compatibility_SW/
or http://homepage.mac.com/olivers/DOScard/DOScard.html might be of use.
Might be a good place to start and without more info it would be a good 
place for me to finish.




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Re: 630 and Netscape printing errors.

[the pickle]

At 21:56 + on 31/01/03, steve wrote:

>web page there is an error. The printer works fine printing normal
>things like letters and documents but won't print from a web page.
>   The browser is netscape 4.08 and the modem is a 28Kb external one.

Try a different browser.  It probably can't allocate enough RAM to queue the
print job to disk.  If you *must* stick with Netscape, give the application
itself more RAM.
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Re: 630 Excel problems

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Try removing the graphic, converting it to a more Mac-friendly format, 
and pasting it back in later, after you've worked out the other kinks in 
the spreadsheet.

I would definitely consider the graphic(s) to be the very first 
'feature' to eliminate.

Sp00ky

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[...snip...]
> 
> Yeah, I did try to .csv and .txt formats.  And they do in fact work for
> bringing in the basic spreadsheet.  Unforunately, you lose all formatting
> information.  The spreadsheet in question is basically a form so it needs
> to be in its original formatting.  That being said, it is a simple form.
> I'll have to try removing the graphic.  I didn't think of it until you
> mentioned it, but it might be a sore spot.  Still the graphic does get
> displayed in that milisecond when the whole spreadsheet is on the screen
> before the type-1 error raises its ugly head.
> 
> So I suppose that the next move would be to remove "features" one by one
> until the spreadsheet imports correctly.  It would be interesting to see
> which of the features are causing the crash.

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Re: 630 Excel problems

[doctor]

>Two questions:
>
>1) Have you tried using one of the non-speadsheet import/export formats
>such as comma-separated valuse (*.csv) or tab-seperated values (*.txt)?
>This would let the Mac version of Excel create the spreadsheet in native
>format, rather than trying to translate an existing format.
>
>2) Have you tried importing a version without the graphic? This would
>eliminate the need for Mac Excel to convert non-spreadsheet data.
>
Yeah, I did try to .csv and .txt formats.  And they do in fact work for
bringing in the basic spreadsheet.  Unforunately, you lose all formatting
information.  The spreadsheet in question is basically a form so it needs
to be in its original formatting.  That being said, it is a simple form.
I'll have to try removing the graphic.  I didn't think of it until you
mentioned it, but it might be a sore spot.  Still the graphic does get
displayed in that milisecond when the whole spreadsheet is on the screen
before the type-1 error raises its ugly head.

So I suppose that the next move would be to remove "features" one by one
until the spreadsheet imports correctly.  It would be interesting to see
which of the features are causing the crash.

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Re: 630 Excel problems

[Ed Murphy]

--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> It contains only one worksheet.  That worksheet is configured for
> landscape printing.  It includes the company logo as a graphic at the
> top.
> Otherwise, its actually a very simple spreadsheet.

Try removing the graphic and re-exporting in 4.0 format.  The graphic
might be the cause of the problem.




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Re: 630 Excel problems

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At 12:28 -0700 on 27/07/02, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

>The creating spreadsheet on the PC is Excel 2000.  I have used the
>"Save-As" command to save the spreadsheet in every format that the
>spreadsheet supports (including Excel 4.0 and 5.0/95) and nothing seems to
>help.

Do tab- and comma-delimited text formats also cause the problem?

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Re: 630 Excel problems

[Spiritus ex Machina]

The post hadn't wandered off. I was just unwilling to reply because of 
my unfamiliarity with the Mac family of MS Office products. Windows, on 
the other hand, ...

Two questions:

1) Have you tried using one of the non-speadsheet import/export formats 
such as comma-separated valuse (*.csv) or tab-seperated values (*.txt)? 
This would let the Mac version of Excel create the spreadsheet in native 
format, rather than trying to translate an existing format.

2) Have you tried importing a version without the graphic? This would 
eliminate the need for Mac Excel to convert non-spreadsheet data.

Just my two cents worth.

Sp00ky

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>>First off, I assume that this version of excel does not have trouble
>>with other spreadsheets.  What version of Excel was the spreadsheet
>>originally saved in?  If it was a more recent version that the one you
>>are running, it may simply be that your Excel is choking newer stuff
>>that it does not understand.  As far as your version is concerned, it
>>is trying to understand a spreadsheet from the future.  Try
>>re-exporting from the PC version to Excel 4.0 format, or to some
>>interchange format, like SYLK.  That should lose any 'future'
>>formatting.
>>
> 
> First off, I'd really like to thank you for replying.  I was beginning to
> wonder if the post had gone to the great beyond.
> 
> As to your questions.  Excel 5.0 works okay with spreadsheets that I
> create on it.  It also works okay with old Mac Excel 4.0 spreadsheets that
> I created before.  The problem seems to occur when importing from a PC.
> 
> The creating spreadsheet on the PC is Excel 2000.  I have used the
> "Save-As" command to save the spreadsheet in every format that the
> spreadsheet supports (including Excel 4.0 and 5.0/95) and nothing seems to
> help.
> 
> I know that type-1 is a type of memory error, so that was the reason I was
> playing with memory allocations on the Mac.  The spreadsheet isn't huge.
> It contains only one worksheet.  That worksheet is configured for
> landscape printing.  It includes the company logo as a graphic at the top.
> Otherwise, its actually a very simple spreadsheet.
> 
> I'm at a loss as to how to get this old 630 to read this spreadsheet.  I
> want to be able to keep the 630 because its the only Mac in the office.
> But, I have to be able to import work.  Any help would be appreciated.
> 
> David
> 
> 
> 
> 


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Re: 630 Excel problems

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>
> First off, I assume that this version of excel does not have trouble
> with other spreadsheets.  What version of Excel was the spreadsheet
> originally saved in?  If it was a more recent version that the one you
> are running, it may simply be that your Excel is choking newer stuff
> that it does not understand.  As far as your version is concerned, it
> is trying to understand a spreadsheet from the future.  Try
> re-exporting from the PC version to Excel 4.0 format, or to some
> interchange format, like SYLK.  That should lose any 'future'
> formatting.
>
First off, I'd really like to thank you for replying.  I was beginning to
wonder if the post had gone to the great beyond.

As to your questions.  Excel 5.0 works okay with spreadsheets that I
create on it.  It also works okay with old Mac Excel 4.0 spreadsheets that
I created before.  The problem seems to occur when importing from a PC.

The creating spreadsheet on the PC is Excel 2000.  I have used the
"Save-As" command to save the spreadsheet in every format that the
spreadsheet supports (including Excel 4.0 and 5.0/95) and nothing seems to
help.

I know that type-1 is a type of memory error, so that was the reason I was
playing with memory allocations on the Mac.  The spreadsheet isn't huge.
It contains only one worksheet.  That worksheet is configured for
landscape printing.  It includes the company logo as a graphic at the top.
Otherwise, its actually a very simple spreadsheet.

I'm at a loss as to how to get this old 630 to read this spreadsheet.  I
want to be able to keep the 630 because its the only Mac in the office.
But, I have to be able to import work.  Any help would be appreciated.

David




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Re: 630 Excel problems

[Ed Murphy]

--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> I have a performa 630cd with a full 68040 CPU and 36mb of memory. 
> The
> problem I have is that I'm using Excel 5.0 (which comes with the last
> version of Office that runs on a 68k machine) and I'm trying to load
> a PC
> created spreadsheet into it.  Everytime I load it it imports, and
> actually
> displays on the screen then as soon as its done it crashes out with
> an
> Error Type 1.  I've tried to "Save-As" the spreadsheet in different

First off, I assume that this version of excel does not have trouble
with other spreadsheets.  What version of Excel was the spreadsheet
originally saved in?  If it was a more recent version that the one you
are running, it may simply be that your Excel is choking newer stuff
that it does not understand.  As far as your version is concerned, it
is trying to understand a spreadsheet from the future.  Try
re-exporting from the PC version to Excel 4.0 format, or to some
interchange format, like SYLK.  That should lose any 'future'
formatting.


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Re: 630 (Another Fellow)

[Scott Holder]

At 01:46 AM 6/28/2002 -0400, you wrote:
>At 23:14 -0400 on 27/06/02, Ted Goranson wrote:
>
> >Actually, the idea of a dedicated MP3 jukebox/player sounds even
> >better. I could hook up a big scsi disk and (I suppose) some
> >speakers. Only problem is that iTunes needs an OS that the quadra
>
>That, and you can't play MP3s - at least not with playlist support - on a
>Quad anyway.
>
>the pickle

mpegdec2 will play a list of files if you drop a bunch on it. No way to 
control except quit though ;)

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Re: 630 (Another Fellow)

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At 23:14 -0400 on 27/06/02, Ted Goranson wrote:

>Actually, the idea of a dedicated MP3 jukebox/player sounds even
>better. I could hook up a big scsi disk and (I suppose) some
>speakers. Only problem is that iTunes needs an OS that the quadra

That, and you can't play MP3s - at least not with playlist support - on a
Quad anyway.

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Re: 630 (Another Fellow)

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At 05:27 PM 6/27/02 -0400, you wrote:

>that email, word processing and browsing is better done on the modern
>machines I (and most macophiles usually) have?

Ahh, but ARE they, really... can you REALLY word process better on a dual 
G4-1ghz Mac than on a 630? Or IIsi for that matter? (Graphics work, well, 
I'll give ya.) Anyway...

I will agree to the server - though you don't want to hang speakers on it 
for an MP3 server, it won't run (OK, there's talk about ONE MP3 player for 
68k macs, but still...)

New and unusual. Hmmm. Well, I have Mac IIs, IIcis, and IIcx's as a TV 
stand, but that's not making the most of a 630, now, is it

Gut it if it doesn't work. Put in a glass top. Turn it into a hotplate.

Not creative, but what the heck, just use it for classic games (Marathon, 
Ares Rising, Escape Velocity) that are 68k based (I know, some of those are 
dual mode, but... *shrug*)



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Re: 630 (Another Fellow)

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>At 15:18 -0400 on 27/06/02, Ted Goranson wrote:
>
>>"LC PDS," "communication," and "video in" slots. It has no SCSI or
>>ethernet that I can see.
>
>Ethernet had to be added, but SCSI is that 25-pin D-sub connector on the back.

Yes. I was wrong about the scsi.

>  >I am struggling with whether to invest energy in this. If someone is
>>willing to help (or point to a Faq), I have the following questions:
>
>Like the one linked in every list footer and my signature? :)

No, not like that one. Like one that actually talks about what new 
and unusual uses can be found for all these older machines.

>  >What do people use these things for if you already have machines for
>>real work? I was thinking of a backup server, but I can see no
>
>Fun? :)  Network MP3 server is a common use for the 630s since they have
>IDE and can easily serve up MP3s over a 10BaseT connection.  Ethernet cards
>are cheap.  Then there's always "do something crazy and make a name for
>yourself" like the folks at AppleFritter...

Now *this* is a really intriguing idea, the MP3 server.

Actually, the idea of a dedicated MP3 jukebox/player sounds even 
better. I could hook up a big scsi disk and (I suppose) some 
speakers. Only problem is that iTunes needs an OS that the quadra 
won't run. Am I wrong? And if it is not iTunes with Applescript is it 
worth it?

What benefit is there to hanging the disk on a server rather than on 
the machine that actually plays the tunes?

That Applefritters site is pretty interesting. Thanks.

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Re: 630 (Another Fellow)

[the pickle]

At 15:18 -0400 on 27/06/02, Ted Goranson wrote:

>"LC PDS," "communication," and "video in" slots. It has no SCSI or
>ethernet that I can see.

Ethernet had to be added, but SCSI is that 25-pin D-sub connector on the back.

>I am struggling with whether to invest energy in this. If someone is
>willing to help (or point to a Faq), I have the following questions:

Like the one linked in every list footer and my signature? :)

>What do people use these things for if you already have machines for
>real work? I was thinking of a backup server, but I can see no

Fun? :)  Network MP3 server is a common use for the 630s since they have
IDE and can easily serve up MP3s over a 10BaseT connection.  Ethernet cards
are cheap.  Then there's always "do something crazy and make a name for
yourself" like the folks at AppleFritter...

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Re: 630

[Scott Holder]

At 08:49 PM 6/27/2002 +0100, you wrote:
>Hi all
>
>Still need to know about my 630 what motherboards can i fit and what
>about the freezing out when i have a cdrom fitted.

What would fit? Everything from some of the 68k LC motherboards (LC580, 
etc), the 5200/5300/6200/6300 slap right in without issues. I've also used 
a 6500 board in mine without issues, but I'm told that if you put too much 
stuff on the board the base 630 power supply might have problems. I've 
never had a problem though.

The CD-ROM issues sound like a termination or software issue. If you boot 
off a floppy will a CD-ROM mount? Or can you boot off a CD?


>Also what modem works in these.

In a base 630 or 5200/5300/6200/6300, any Comm Slot 1 modem. I believe 
these maxxed out at 28.8. In an x400 or x500, a Comm Slot II modem would 
work. These tend to be 33.6, though there are some 56k available.


>Thanks Victoria.

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Re: 630 (Another Fellow)

[Ted Goranson]

Right. I know that I can do all these things, because I did them all 
on similar machines years ago. My question is somewhat different. Are 
there any *new and unusual* uses for these, things that recognize 
that email, word processing and browsing is better done on the modern 
machines I (and most macophiles usually) have?

Best, Ted

>Is it useful? Depends on what you want to do with it. I'm setting them up
>for students, f'rinstance, with WordPerfect... works nicely. A friend of
>mine uses the one he has as his main machine pretty much every day. It's
>somewhat slow on web browsing (but he's using IE 4,) works for email, and
>he's got some specific programs he uses with it for his hobby...
>
>You can, of course, track down Word 6, Excel 4 or 5, etc. for it as well.
>Pop in the full 68040 for the math coprocessor and put in Quark XPress 3,
>Photoshop 3, Illustrator 6...
>
>There's still a lot that can be done with the system. *shrug* If worst
>comes to worst, use it as an email system. 
>
>  >What do people use these things for if you already have machines for
>>real work? I was thinking of a backup server, but I can see no
>>benefit from offloading that from my main machine. And because no
>>ethernet or scsi this machine is disqualified. One thing I really
>>miss from the old days was my YoYo caller ID device. That alone is
>>what I am thinking will motivate this project: a standalone, high
>  >class caller management center.

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Re: 630 (Another Fellow)

[E McCann]

First, head to http://www.lowendmac.com/quadra/q630.shtml

Now, I've got a stack of 630-series (Performa 631-638s) - one of which is 
rather nicely set up with video in (cable and composite,) network card...

The SCSI isn't on the mainboard, as I recall. However, the CD ROM is SCSI. 
The hard disk is IDE. It can (IIRC) only use a single IDE drive, not 
master/slave as in the PC world (they figured that out later.)  You can 
always put a full 68040 in, as this uses the 68LC040.

Is it useful? Depends on what you want to do with it. I'm setting them up 
for students, f'rinstance, with WordPerfect... works nicely. A friend of 
mine uses the one he has as his main machine pretty much every day. It's 
somewhat slow on web browsing (but he's using IE 4,) works for email, and 
he's got some specific programs he uses with it for his hobby...

You can, of course, track down Word 6, Excel 4 or 5, etc. for it as well. 
Pop in the full 68040 for the math coprocessor and put in Quark XPress 3, 
Photoshop 3, Illustrator 6...

There's still a lot that can be done with the system. *shrug* If worst 
comes to worst, use it as an email system. 

-Eric

At 03:18 PM 6/27/02 -0400, you wrote:
>Hello--
>
>I am new to the list, and just in time to find some discussion on
>what brings me here: a Q630.
>
>I use a G3 and G4 for my real work, but have inherited this machine.
>It is supposed to be broken, but I assume that the problem is Norton
>or reinstall fixable. This machine has one memory slot, and vacant
>"LC PDS," "communication," and "video in" slots. It has no SCSI or
>ethernet that I can see.
>
>I am struggling with whether to invest energy in this. If someone is
>willing to help (or point to a Faq), I have the following questions:
>
>What do people use these things for if you already have machines for
>real work? I was thinking of a backup server, but I can see no
>benefit from offloading that from my main machine. And because no
>ethernet or scsi this machine is disqualified. One thing I really
>miss from the old days was my YoYo caller ID device. That alone is
>what I am thinking will motivate this project: a standalone, high
>class caller management center.
>
>But then, I'll have to probably go with a non-yoyo solution. I see
>that there are some shareware products that work with some modems.
>This seems ideal. Does anyone do this?
>
>On the other hand, I have an old Intel box (pentium 90) that can
>probably host a linux or windows solution that may be nicer. I have
>scant experience with non-Mac boxes but have someone whose experience
>I can tap. Would you go with a free '40 Mac for this, or a free
>Pentium box?
>
>Best, Ted
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Re: 630 (Another Fellow)

[Ted Goranson]

Hello--

I am new to the list, and just in time to find some discussion on 
what brings me here: a Q630.

I use a G3 and G4 for my real work, but have inherited this machine. 
It is supposed to be broken, but I assume that the problem is Norton 
or reinstall fixable. This machine has one memory slot, and vacant 
"LC PDS," "communication," and "video in" slots. It has no SCSI or 
ethernet that I can see.

I am struggling with whether to invest energy in this. If someone is 
willing to help (or point to a Faq), I have the following questions:

What do people use these things for if you already have machines for 
real work? I was thinking of a backup server, but I can see no 
benefit from offloading that from my main machine. And because no 
ethernet or scsi this machine is disqualified. One thing I really 
miss from the old days was my YoYo caller ID device. That alone is 
what I am thinking will motivate this project: a standalone, high 
class caller management center.

But then, I'll have to probably go with a non-yoyo solution. I see 
that there are some shareware products that work with some modems. 
This seems ideal. Does anyone do this?

On the other hand, I have an old Intel box (pentium 90) that can 
probably host a linux or windows solution that may be nicer. I have 
scant experience with non-Mac boxes but have someone whose experience 
I can tap. Would you go with a free '40 Mac for this, or a free 
Pentium box?

Best, Ted

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Re: 630

[Tom Jackson]

On Wed, Jun 26, 2002 at 12:34:04AM -0400, the pickle wrote:
> At 21:49 -0500 on 25/06/02, Tom Jackson wrote:
> 
> >> What brand is it?  It's probably a Farallon EtherWave LC.
> >>
> >> the pickle
> >>
> >Right, a Farallon with a sticker 'HTM FVT'. Why two connectors?
> 
> The EtherWave cards were a way to avoid buying a hub - it allowed for
> daisy-chaining 10BaseT.  Of course, the drawback of daisy-chaining - when
> one computer in the chain gets removed, everything downstream of that
> computer loses connectivity - remains, but it was probably worth it back in
> the early 1990s.
> 
> the pickle
> 
Okay, thanks. That's a pleasant surprise. Trying to tie a 7100, 650, 630,
and maybe a 610 all together and slip on the router.

Like your FAQ!

Tom

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Re: 630

[Mark Benson]

>Erm, no. it's the model numbers 631CD, 630 DOS Compatable and the 640 DOS
>Compatable which had 2 SIMM slots.

Well it's funny that I have a Performa 630 (with CD) and it's got 2 
SIMM slots. To the best of my knowledge it's never been a DOS machine 
either. Kinda puts a bit of a clanger on that theory don't it ;).

I think you will find that it is very much more arbitrary as to 
whether Apple put 2 or 1 slot logic boards in the machines in 
question. From my experience trying to fathom the mystery of when 
they swapped from the 2nd to the 3rd design of LC case, I can tell 
you it's probably not even related to the model of machine, instead 
it depends on what was available at the time and which models 
required what related to other parts needed and used. Sound 
complicated? Sure it is, that's what designing as manufacturing 
process is all about.

My theory is that, while the 630 machines were being made and sold, 
Apple was making the boards on a batch process and shipping them to 
their various assembly plants to be put into the cases (which are all 
the same bar the CD/non CD bezels -AFAIK). At some stage they merged 
in a new design of logic board with more memory space available (2 
slots instead of 1) to be used on all models. This filtered into all 
the machines eventually but meant that some lines got old boards and 
some new, inevitably. If you polled every single 63x machine in the 
US and Europe you may be able, after cross referencing the data with 
the time of release of various models, to determine a rough timescale 
for the transition but no more than that, unless you look at the 
manufacturing and assembly logs.

It's only a theory but I think it's pretty sound.
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Re: 630

[Michael Dawe]

on 25/06/2002 5:30 AM, (Quadlist) at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 16:09:03 +0200
> From: Tina Holm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: 630
> 
> At 14:32 +0100 24/06/02, Mark Benson wrote:
>> Well my Perform,a 630 has 2 RAM slots. I just looked. They are on the
>> left edge of the logic board (looking from the back) and are slightly
>> staggered from each other.
> 
> The LC 630 only has one slot, the Quadra 630, and apparantly the Performa
> too, had two slots.

Erm, no. it's the model numbers 631CD, 630 DOS Compatable and the 640 DOS
Compatable which had 2 SIMM slots.

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Re: 630

[Michael Dawe]

on 24/06/2002, vicki <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hi everyone is saying they used a pair of simms
> 
> I only have 1 ram slot

The  first 630's had only 1 SIMM slot (all of the 630's IIRC except for the
630 DOS Compatable). Some (but not all) later '040, 630 series with generic
names like "Performa 631" came with 2 SIMM slots.
 
> There is no pds but there is a nubus.
> 
> the ethernet card i put in is from a lc475.

If you pulled it from a LC475, then it's a PDS card (LC-PDS).

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Re: 630

[Michael Dawe]

on 23/06/2002, the pickle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


> 
>> Max RAM AFAIK is 64 MB + the onboard 4 MB.
> 
> Try 196MB.  I've seen one working with a 128MB SIMM in the first slot, a
> 64MB SIMM in the second, and the 4MB onboard.
> 
Awesome. If your 630 has *two* SIMM slots, that is. The first wave of 630's
had one SIMM slot.

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Re: 630

[Tina Holm]

At 1:02 +1000 25/06/02, Dana Sibera wrote:
>Dang. My Q630 has one slot!
>
>then again it's a Q630 in a LC630 case so... who knows

Yeah, who knows. Took the info from what I've seen, and from what Apple
claims in their MacFacts 98 app.

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Re: 630

[vicki]

Hi i have just checked the board in my 630 and the slot where i have the
ethernet card is the same as the LC475 i have also the ram slot has a row of
solder spots for a second slot but (no second slot),

Every time i start with the cd fitted the system freezes.

i can put a scsi drive in the place of the cd with no problems (is this a
termination issue)

also could i look for a 63xx mother board to upgrade.

TIA Victoria


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Re: 630

[Dana Sibera]

On Tuesday, June 25, 2002, at 12:09  AM, Tina Holm wrote:

> At 14:32 +0100 24/06/02, Mark Benson wrote:
>> Well my Perform,a 630 has 2 RAM slots. I just looked. They are on the
>> left edge of the logic board (looking from the back) and are slightly
>> staggered from each other.
>
> The LC 630 only has one slot, the Quadra 630, and apparantly the 
> Performa
> too, had two slots.

Dang. My Q630 has one slot!

then again it's a Q630 in a LC630 case so... who knows

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Re: 630

[the pickle]

At 21:35 +1000 on 24/06/02, Dana Sibera wrote:

>as far as I know, the 631 was the only of the series to come with 2 ram

The entire series used at least three different motherboards:

single SIMM slot, ROM SIMM solder pads
single SIMM slot, no ROM SIMM solder pads
two SIMM slots

All the boards are interchangeable.  I've seen two-slot boards in a 636 and
a 580-something, as well as a 640 DOS, I think.  I've seen single-slot
boards in everything else, but there hasn't been any sort of consistency.

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Re: 630

[the pickle]

At 12:11 +0100 on 24/06/02, vicki wrote:

>Hi everyone is saying they used a pair of simms
>
>I only have 1 ram slot

I'm trying to remember whether the 1-slot mobos need a single-bank SIMM or
if they can use double-banked SIMMs.  If it's the latter, they can use
132MB RAM; otherwise, the max is 68MB.

>There is no pds but there is a nubus.

That *is* a PDS.

>the ethernet card i put in is from a lc475.

...and that's the PDS slot :)

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Re: 630

[Tina Holm]

At 14:32 +0100 24/06/02, Mark Benson wrote:
>Well my Perform,a 630 has 2 RAM slots. I just looked. They are on the
>left edge of the logic board (looking from the back) and are slightly
>staggered from each other.

The LC 630 only has one slot, the Quadra 630, and apparantly the Performa
too, had two slots.

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Re: 630

[Mark Benson]

>as far as I know, the 631 was the only of the series to come with 2 ram
>slots - others only had one... or had one and the solder pads to connect
>another if you were determined :). My 630 also only has the one RAM slot.

Well my Perform,a 630 has 2 RAM slots. I just looked. They are on the 
left edge of the logic board (looking from the back) and are slightly 
staggered from each other.

>The ethernet card from the 475 has a very similar connector to a NuBus
>one - it's an LC PDS slot card.

They might look the same but I can assure you, as Dana says, they 
ain't the same. Notice also that the slot in the 630 is significantly 
longer and has an extended part at the inside end that is 6x3 pins in 
size. This is a key distinguishing feature from NuBus slots as non of 
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Re: 630

[Dana Sibera]

On Monday, June 24, 2002, at 09:11  PM, vicki wrote:

>
> Hi everyone is saying they used a pair of simms
>
> I only have 1 ram slot
>
> There is no pds but there is a nubus.
>
> the ethernet card i put in is from a lc475.

as far as I know, the 631 was the only of the series to come with 2 ram 
slots - others only had one... or had one and the solder pads to connect 
another if you were determined :). My 630 also only has the one RAM slot.

The ethernet card from the 475 has a very similar connector to a NuBus 
one - it's an LC PDS slot card.

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Re: 630

[vicki]

Hi everyone is saying they used a pair of simms

I only have 1 ram slot

There is no pds but there is a nubus.

the ethernet card i put in is from a lc475.


What gives

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Re: 630

[Mark Benson]

>At 11:57 +1000 on 23/06/02, Michael Dawe wrote:
>
>>Max RAM AFAIK is 64 MB + the onboard 4 MB.
>
>Try 196MB.  I've seen one working with a 128MB SIMM in the first slot, a
>64MB SIMM in the second, and the 4MB onboard.

I used a pair of 64MB single bank 72-pin SIMMS in mine. I then pulled 
the board and replaced it with a 6300CD board and it now only has 
32MB from the same SIMMs - god knows why Apple DOWNGRADED the RAM 
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Re: 630

[the pickle]

At 11:57 +1000 on 23/06/02, Michael Dawe wrote:

>Max RAM AFAIK is 64 MB + the onboard 4 MB.

Try 196MB.  I've seen one working with a 128MB SIMM in the first slot, a
64MB SIMM in the second, and the 4MB onboard.

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Re: 630

[the pickle]

At 21:52 +0100 on 21/06/02, victoria wrote:

>there is a comms slot (can i fit a modem in there or is it for an ethernet
>card also whats the max ram i can use and is there a trick to mounting an

LEM will answer these questions.

The HD might need its jumper setting configured to Master.

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Re: 630

[Michael Dawe]

on 21/06/2002, "victoria" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I recieved a quadra 630 today all as new but with no software.
> 
> i have installed a 32mb chip in the ram a nubus ethernet card and a 17"
> monitor.
> 
> there is a comms slot (can i fit a modem in there or is it for an ethernet
> card also whats the max ram i can use and is there a trick to mounting an
> ata laptop hdd with a converter on all i get is a sad mac,

You can install an ethernet card into the CS. But a newer/faster external
modem might be a consideration.

The ethernet card you have is in a PDS slot, so it's not a Nubus card.

My preferences for the 630 have always been: CS-1 ethernet card, PDS video
card (with a 17" monitor the 630's onboard video limitations will soon be
apparent) and an external modem, if necessary.

If you're trying to mount the laptop ata drive as a second drive, then you
can't. The 630 does not support a second IDE drive nor Master/Slave
configurations.

Max RAM AFAIK is 64 MB + the onboard 4 MB.

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Re: 630

[Morgan Funkcikle]

Why Victoria...how nice that you received a Quadra 630.

I am still waiting to receive a PPC 601 upgrade card for my Quadra 800.

Wish I had your luck in getting things eventually.

m.
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- Original Message -
From: "victoria" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Quadlist" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 9:52 PM
Subject: 630


> Hi all
>
> I recieved a quadra 630 today all as new but with no software.
>
> i have installed a 32mb chip in the ram a nubus ethernet card and a 17"
> monitor.
>
> there is a comms slot (can i fit a modem in there or is it for an ethernet
> card also whats the max ram i can use and is there a trick to mounting an
> ata laptop hdd with a converter on all i get is a sad mac,
>
> TIA Victoria.
>
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