hot plugging adb

2003-12-02 Thread Philip Stortz
i don't remember which, but as i recall there was one mac who's driver chips were 
damaged
by hot plugging adb peripherals (i know you aren't supposed to, but it does work on 
most
macs).  i'll hopefully be using a switch type kvm with several of my older macs soon 
and
want to make sure i don't fry one (if i'm lucky, i'll be using a proper electronic 
switch
by the end of summer, but i won't hold my breath).  

i'm doing this so i can play with openbsd and other systems and do some development 
work
on these old machines for some simple dedicated uses that they are more than powerful
enough for (i have several older versions of code warrior, and openbsd and such have 
their
own development tools).  it's one good way to use these older machines.  

in particular, i'll be setting up a iici as a firewall and be trying to write more
powerful firewall and ad/pop up code on another iici until i feel comfortable trying it
out on the second iici with the one running the openbsd firewall following it to catch 
any
leaks and help debug.  any one who's set up a hardware firewall for extensive logging
knows it's getting very, very interesting on the net, even on a dial up line.  i'm 
also on
a number of computer security mailing list, and things are far, far worse than the 
average
person realizes, spammers have even hijacked private computers as spam engines taking
advantages of random people's cable modems and internet accounts to spread thier vile
frequently without the computers owner ever knowing except from spam complaints. 

i hope to have a cable modem or something eventually, but not without a good firewall. 
i
refuse to get spam or have my machine hijacked or my limited secrets leaked out to
identity thieves and other scum.  remember, earthlink says over 90% of the machines out
there have spyware on them, and macs are not entirely immune and i will be running an
older pc as well (because i have some specific apps for it, and some apps that are free
are only available for winblows, though i'll be playing with *nix on it as well).

thanks, i hope this list is as alive as it used to be!

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Re: hot plugging adb

2003-12-02 Thread Scott Holder
Philip Stortz wrote:

i don't remember which, but as i recall there was one mac who's driver chips were damaged
by hot plugging adb peripherals (i know you aren't supposed to, but it does work on most
macs).  

Supposedly, you're not supposed to hot-plug ADB on any Mac up to the PB 
G3 or some such thing. However, I've done it constantly on everything 
back to a Classic, IIci, and IIgs and never had any trouble. Call me a 
daredevil, but eh :)

So, all in all, probably won't hurt anything but there is that risk.

Scott Holder

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Re: hot plugging adb

2003-12-02 Thread Terry Graham
At 4:57 AM -0700 12/2/03, Philip Stortz wrote:
snip
in particular, i'll be setting up a iici as a firewall and be trying to write more
powerful firewall and ad/pop up code on another iici until i feel comfortable trying 
it out on the second iici with the one running the openbsd firewall following it to 
catch any leaks and help debug.  any one who's set up a hardware firewall for 
extensive logging knows it's getting very, very interesting on the net, even on a 
dial up line.  i'm also on a number of computer security mailing list, and things are 
far, far worse than the average person realizes, spammers have even hijacked private 
computers as spam engines taking advantages of random people's cable modems and 
internet accounts to spread thier vile frequently without the computers owner ever 
knowing except from spam complaints. 


What an excellent project.  I've got a stack of old computers including a 11ci.

Thanks,
Terry


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