[Quantum Owners] Posting problems ?

[Jim Hearne]

This is partly a test message to see if posting is working and partly
a request to see if anybody else is having trouble posting new
discussions through the web interface.
Please only reply (here or to j...@quantums.info) if you are having
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[Quantum Owners] Re: Posting problems ?

[Paul F]

This was posted via web interface.
Paul

On 9 Feb, 08:30, Jim Hearne  wrote:
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> a request to see if anybody else is having trouble posting new
> discussions through the web interface.
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[Quantum Owners] Re: RS2000 front brakes on a H4 & Rear suspension.

[skip_rat]

I thought I'd heard mention of using 1.1 rear suspension, I will give
that a go.

The main issue I have with the brakes are that it seems to require a
huge ammount of effort to slow/stop the car. They seem much worse than
the 2+2 we used to have. There isn't a huge ammount of pedal travel
but you seem to have to press really hard to get much response. I had
a basic brake test done and they seem to be working well enough and
would lock up on the rollers. I think the pads I used were AP/
lockheed(?), the disks are standard and fairly new with no scores/wear
lip.

I now have the RS2000 brakes and the disks are 260mm compared with the
xr2i 239.5mm. I did consider the Cosworth setup but was concerned that
they wouldn't fit under my 15" wheels.

I was also considering a servo upgrade, are there any options for
this?

On 8 Feb, 22:40, Gary  wrote:
> 1.1 dampers and springs on the back were what old Q found best for all
> round use. and 1.6 si on the front. worked for me.
> I improved the braking on our old Q by fitting groved diamond black
> discs and EBC green stuff pads. again no great improvement but super for
> spirited driving.
> :-)
> Ex Q Gary
>
>
>
> skip_rat wrote:
> > Well I made a mess of that, I did mean front brakes on my H4 NOT
> > 2+2oops
>
> > Also I was going to ask what rear springs people were using on their
> > H4s. I have standard XR2i 16v suspension and although the front rides
> > over the bumps fine the rear jarrs the car, plus my spine pretty
> > badly. I'm thinking softer springs might improve matters.
>
> > On 8 Feb, 12:47, skip_rat  wrote:
>
> >> I'm not happy with the front braking performance on my 2+2. I could
> >> probably just replace evey part with new to see an improvement, but I
> >> have the chance to get a brake setup from a mk5/6 Escort RS2000.
>
> >> According to the fiesta forums these parts are a straing fit. Has
> >> anyone tried them on a H4 yet and did they see much improvement?- Hide 
> >> quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

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Re: [Quantum Owners] Re: RS2000 front brakes on a H4 & Rear suspension.

[Jim Hearne]

Is the servo working ?
I think the test for a servo is to put your foot on the brake pedal and 
then start the engine.

If the pedal moves down further then the servo is working.

Jim


skip_rat wrote:

I thought I'd heard mention of using 1.1 rear suspension, I will give
that a go.

The main issue I have with the brakes are that it seems to require a
huge ammount of effort to slow/stop the car. They seem much worse than
the 2+2 we used to have. There isn't a huge ammount of pedal travel
but you seem to have to press really hard to get much response. I had
a basic brake test done and they seem to be working well enough and
would lock up on the rollers. I think the pads I used were AP/
lockheed(?), the disks are standard and fairly new with no scores/wear
lip.

I now have the RS2000 brakes and the disks are 260mm compared with the
xr2i 239.5mm. I did consider the Cosworth setup but was concerned that
they wouldn't fit under my 15" wheels.

I was also considering a servo upgrade, are there any options for
this?

On 8 Feb, 22:40, Gary  wrote:
  

1.1 dampers and springs on the back were what old Q found best for all
round use. and 1.6 si on the front. worked for me.
I improved the braking on our old Q by fitting groved diamond black
discs and EBC green stuff pads. again no great improvement but super for
spirited driving.
:-)
Ex Q Gary



skip_rat wrote:


Well I made a mess of that, I did mean front brakes on my H4 NOT
2+2oops
  
Also I was going to ask what rear springs people were using on their

H4s. I have standard XR2i 16v suspension and although the front rides
over the bumps fine the rear jarrs the car, plus my spine pretty
badly. I'm thinking softer springs might improve matters.
  
On 8 Feb, 12:47, skip_rat  wrote:
  

I'm not happy with the front braking performance on my 2+2. I could
probably just replace evey part with new to see an improvement, but I
have the chance to get a brake setup from a mk5/6 Escort RS2000.

According to the fiesta forums these parts are a straing fit. Has

anyone tried them on a H4 yet and did they see much improvement?- Hide quoted 
text -


- Show quoted text -






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[Quantum Owners] Re: Posting problems ?

[Arn1905]

test.


On 9 Feb, 09:16, Paul F  wrote:
> This was posted via web interface.
> Paul
>
> On 9 Feb, 08:30, Jim Hearne  wrote:
>
>
>
> > This is partly a test message to see if posting is working and partly
> > a request to see if anybody else is having trouble posting new
> > discussions through the web interface.
> > Please only reply (here or to j...@quantums.info) if you are having
> > problems sending messages to the group via the web interface.
>
> > Jim- Hide quoted text -
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[Quantum Owners] Re: Posting problems ?

[Arn1905]

Just me then?
I am unable to start a new topic and reply to several other topics for
some reason.

Have tried using Firefox and I.E on several computers aswell as on my
ipod touch and have had no luck.

On 9 Feb, 09:29, Arn1905  wrote:
> test.
>
> On 9 Feb, 09:16, Paul F  wrote:
>
>
>
> > This was posted via web interface.
> > Paul
>
> > On 9 Feb, 08:30, Jim Hearne  wrote:
>
> > > This is partly a test message to see if posting is working and partly
> > > a request to see if anybody else is having trouble posting new
> > > discussions through the web interface.
> > > Please only reply (here or to j...@quantums.info) if you are having
> > > problems sending messages to the group via the web interface.
>
> > > Jim- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

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RE: [Quantum Owners] Re: Posting problems ?

[Stuart Carvell]

I seem to be getting lots of repeat messages and some in the wrong order (reply 
before original post)

Stuart
 
> Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 01:16:15 -0800
> Subject: [Quantum Owners] Re: Posting problems ?
> From: paul.fenni...@eu.bovislendlease.com
> To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com
> 
> This was posted via web interface.
> Paul
> 
> On 9 Feb, 08:30, Jim Hearne  wrote:
> > This is partly a test message to see if posting is working and partly
> > a request to see if anybody else is having trouble posting new
> > discussions through the web interface.
> > Please only reply (here or to j...@quantums.info) if you are having
> > problems sending messages to the group via the web interface.
> >
> > Jim
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[Quantum Owners] Re: RS2000 front brakes on a H4 & Rear suspension.

[skip_rat]

Yes the servo is working, although i did wonder if it was at first.
The pedal does drop slightly when you do the engine start servo test.

I had the displeasue of having to have it towed for a short distance,
without the engine running and no servo the brakes were noticably
worse, almost scary.

On 9 Feb, 09:27, Jim Hearne  wrote:
> Is the servo working ?
> I think the test for a servo is to put your foot on the brake pedal and
> then start the engine.
> If the pedal moves down further then the servo is working.
>
> Jim
>
>
>
> skip_rat wrote:
> > I thought I'd heard mention of using 1.1 rear suspension, I will give
> > that a go.
>
> > The main issue I have with the brakes are that it seems to require a
> > huge ammount of effort to slow/stop the car. They seem much worse than
> > the 2+2 we used to have. There isn't a huge ammount of pedal travel
> > but you seem to have to press really hard to get much response. I had
> > a basic brake test done and they seem to be working well enough and
> > would lock up on the rollers. I think the pads I used were AP/
> > lockheed(?), the disks are standard and fairly new with no scores/wear
> > lip.
>
> > I now have the RS2000 brakes and the disks are 260mm compared with the
> > xr2i 239.5mm. I did consider the Cosworth setup but was concerned that
> > they wouldn't fit under my 15" wheels.
>
> > I was also considering a servo upgrade, are there any options for
> > this?
>
> > On 8 Feb, 22:40, Gary  wrote:
>
> >> 1.1 dampers and springs on the back were what old Q found best for all
> >> round use. and 1.6 si on the front. worked for me.
> >> I improved the braking on our old Q by fitting groved diamond black
> >> discs and EBC green stuff pads. again no great improvement but super for
> >> spirited driving.
> >> :-)
> >> Ex Q Gary
>
> >> skip_rat wrote:
>
> >>> Well I made a mess of that, I did mean front brakes on my H4 NOT
> >>> 2+2oops
>
> >>> Also I was going to ask what rear springs people were using on their
> >>> H4s. I have standard XR2i 16v suspension and although the front rides
> >>> over the bumps fine the rear jarrs the car, plus my spine pretty
> >>> badly. I'm thinking softer springs might improve matters.
>
> >>> On 8 Feb, 12:47, skip_rat  wrote:
>
>  I'm not happy with the front braking performance on my 2+2. I could
>  probably just replace evey part with new to see an improvement, but I
>  have the chance to get a brake setup from a mk5/6 Escort RS2000.
>
>  According to the fiesta forums these parts are a straing fit. Has
>  anyone tried them on a H4 yet and did they see much improvement?- Hide 
>  quoted text -
>
> >> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

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RE: [Quantum Owners] Re: RS2000 front brakes on a H4 & Rear suspension.

[Stuart Carvell]

Dont some people change the servo to an escort one?

Think something needs modifying to do this though?

Stuart
 
> Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 01:48:18 -0800
> Subject: [Quantum Owners] Re: RS2000 front brakes on a H4 & Rear suspension.
> From: theskip...@hotmail.com
> To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com
> 
> Yes the servo is working, although i did wonder if it was at first.
> The pedal does drop slightly when you do the engine start servo test.
> 
> I had the displeasue of having to have it towed for a short distance,
> without the engine running and no servo the brakes were noticably
> worse, almost scary.
> 
> On 9 Feb, 09:27, Jim Hearne  wrote:
> > Is the servo working ?
> > I think the test for a servo is to put your foot on the brake pedal and
> > then start the engine.
> > If the pedal moves down further then the servo is working.
> >
> > Jim
> >
> >
> >
> > skip_rat wrote:
> > > I thought I'd heard mention of using 1.1 rear suspension, I will give
> > > that a go.
> >
> > > The main issue I have with the brakes are that it seems to require a
> > > huge ammount of effort to slow/stop the car. They seem much worse than
> > > the 2+2 we used to have. There isn't a huge ammount of pedal travel
> > > but you seem to have to press really hard to get much response. I had
> > > a basic brake test done and they seem to be working well enough and
> > > would lock up on the rollers. I think the pads I used were AP/
> > > lockheed(?), the disks are standard and fairly new with no scores/wear
> > > lip.
> >
> > > I now have the RS2000 brakes and the disks are 260mm compared with the
> > > xr2i 239.5mm. I did consider the Cosworth setup but was concerned that
> > > they wouldn't fit under my 15" wheels.
> >
> > > I was also considering a servo upgrade, are there any options for
> > > this?
> >
> > > On 8 Feb, 22:40, Gary  wrote:
> >
> > >> 1.1 dampers and springs on the back were what old Q found best for all
> > >> round use. and 1.6 si on the front. worked for me.
> > >> I improved the braking on our old Q by fitting groved diamond black
> > >> discs and EBC green stuff pads. again no great improvement but super for
> > >> spirited driving.
> > >> :-)
> > >> Ex Q Gary
> >
> > >> skip_rat wrote:
> >
> > >>> Well I made a mess of that, I did mean front brakes on my H4 NOT
> > >>> 2+2oops
> >
> > >>> Also I was going to ask what rear springs people were using on their
> > >>> H4s. I have standard XR2i 16v suspension and although the front rides
> > >>> over the bumps fine the rear jarrs the car, plus my spine pretty
> > >>> badly. I'm thinking softer springs might improve matters.
> >
> > >>> On 8 Feb, 12:47, skip_rat  wrote:
> >
> >  I'm not happy with the front braking performance on my 2+2. I could
> >  probably just replace evey part with new to see an improvement, but I
> >  have the chance to get a brake setup from a mk5/6 Escort RS2000.
> >
> >  According to the fiesta forums these parts are a straing fit. Has
> >  anyone tried them on a H4 yet and did they see much improvement?- Hide 
> >  quoted text -
> >
> > >> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
> >
> > - Show quoted text -
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Re: [Quantum Owners] Re: Posting problems ?

[Jim Hearne]

This has been mentioned many times before and the messages in the wrong 
order is just down to your ISP taking longer to process some messages 
than others.
I run my own mail server and only get messages in the wrong order if the 
mail server has been down.


Not sure about the repeats except skip_rat did send his original message 
twice, or at least google received it twice and i approved it twice 
without noticing it.


Jim


Stuart Carvell wrote:
I seem to be getting lots of repeat messages and some in the wrong 
order (reply before original post)

Stuart
 
> Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 01:16:15 -0800

> Subject: [Quantum Owners] Re: Posting problems ?
> From: paul.fenni...@eu.bovislendlease.com
> To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com
>
> This was posted via web interface.
> Paul
>
> On 9 Feb, 08:30, Jim Hearne  wrote:
> > This is partly a test message to see if posting is working and partly
> > a request to see if anybody else is having trouble posting new
> > discussions through the web interface.
> > Please only reply (here or to j...@quantums.info) if you are having
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> >
> > Jim
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[Quantum Owners] Re: Posting problems ?

[skip_rat]

My double send was via the web interface, I think I did hit return
twice, probably just my bad typing skills. Sorry for that.

On 9 Feb, 10:07, Jim Hearne  wrote:
> This has been mentioned many times before and the messages in the wrong
> order is just down to your ISP taking longer to process some messages
> than others.
> I run my own mail server and only get messages in the wrong order if the
> mail server has been down.
>
> Not sure about the repeats except skip_rat did send his original message
> twice, or at least google received it twice and i approved it twice
> without noticing it.
>
> Jim
>
>
>
> Stuart Carvell wrote:
> > I seem to be getting lots of repeat messages and some in the wrong
> > order (reply before original post)
> > Stuart
>
> > > Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 01:16:15 -0800
> > > Subject: [Quantum Owners] Re: Posting problems ?
> > > From: paul.fenni...@eu.bovislendlease.com
> > > To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com
>
> > > This was posted via web interface.
> > > Paul
>
> > > On 9 Feb, 08:30, Jim Hearne  wrote:
> > > > This is partly a test message to see if posting is working and partly
> > > > a request to see if anybody else is having trouble posting new
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[Quantum Owners] Re: RS2000 front brakes on a H4 & Rear suspension.

[John Woodward]

When I first had my 2+2 the brakes were terrible, the Servo test
worked, so I changed everything else with no effect, then decided it
must be the Servo, which I replaced with one from the breakers &
everything was fine, my conclusion was that the servo was working to
some degree but far from efficiently. So don't always assume the Servo
is OK if the pedal drops when the engine is started.
John

On Feb 9, 10:04 am, Stuart Carvell  wrote:
> Dont some people change the servo to an escort one?
>
> Think something needs modifying to do this though?
>
> Stuart
>
>
>
> > Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 01:48:18 -0800
> > Subject: [Quantum Owners] Re: RS2000 front brakes on a H4 & Rear suspension.
> > From: theskip...@hotmail.com
> > To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com
>
> > Yes the servo is working, although i did wonder if it was at first.
> > The pedal does drop slightly when you do the engine start servo test.
>
> > I had the displeasue of having to have it towed for a short distance,
> > without the engine running and no servo the brakes were noticably
> > worse, almost scary.
>
> > On 9 Feb, 09:27, Jim Hearne  wrote:
> > > Is the servo working ?
> > > I think the test for a servo is to put your foot on the brake pedal and
> > > then start the engine.
> > > If the pedal moves down further then the servo is working.
>
> > > Jim
>
> > > skip_rat wrote:
> > > > I thought I'd heard mention of using 1.1 rear suspension, I will give
> > > > that a go.
>
> > > > The main issue I have with the brakes are that it seems to require a
> > > > huge ammount of effort to slow/stop the car. They seem much worse than
> > > > the 2+2 we used to have. There isn't a huge ammount of pedal travel
> > > > but you seem to have to press really hard to get much response. I had
> > > > a basic brake test done and they seem to be working well enough and
> > > > would lock up on the rollers. I think the pads I used were AP/
> > > > lockheed(?), the disks are standard and fairly new with no scores/wear
> > > > lip.
>
> > > > I now have the RS2000 brakes and the disks are 260mm compared with the
> > > > xr2i 239.5mm. I did consider the Cosworth setup but was concerned that
> > > > they wouldn't fit under my 15" wheels.
>
> > > > I was also considering a servo upgrade, are there any options for
> > > > this?
>
> > > > On 8 Feb, 22:40, Gary  wrote:
>
> > > >> 1.1 dampers and springs on the back were what old Q found best for all
> > > >> round use. and 1.6 si on the front. worked for me.
> > > >> I improved the braking on our old Q by fitting groved diamond black
> > > >> discs and EBC green stuff pads. again no great improvement but super 
> > > >> for
> > > >> spirited driving.
> > > >> :-)
> > > >> Ex Q Gary
>
> > > >> skip_rat wrote:
>
> > > >>> Well I made a mess of that, I did mean front brakes on my H4 NOT
> > > >>> 2+2oops
>
> > > >>> Also I was going to ask what rear springs people were using on their
> > > >>> H4s. I have standard XR2i 16v suspension and although the front rides
> > > >>> over the bumps fine the rear jarrs the car, plus my spine pretty
> > > >>> badly. I'm thinking softer springs might improve matters.
>
> > > >>> On 8 Feb, 12:47, skip_rat  wrote:
>
> > >  I'm not happy with the front braking performance on my 2+2. I could
> > >  probably just replace evey part with new to see an improvement, but I
> > >  have the chance to get a brake setup from a mk5/6 Escort RS2000.
>
> > >  According to the fiesta forums these parts are a straing fit. Has
> > >  anyone tried them on a H4 yet and did they see much improvement?- 
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[Quantum Owners] Re: BLACK COUNTRY MUSEUM

[Jim Turner]

Hi Tony,
I agree but in this case the details have been freely given & so are
in the public domain.I do , however, agree that careful thought should
be given before posting ANY personal information online.
JimT

On Feb 8, 10:31 pm, Tony Pottrell  wrote:
> Hi Jim,
>
> I don't mean to be a nitpick, but it's something that needs to be raised
> I think.  I don't think it's a good idea to post some one's name, address
> and phone number so openly on the internet, don't forget this mailing is
> indexed by Google and does appear in their search engine.
>
> Just thought I'd raise it...
>
> Tony
>
>
>
> Jim Turner wrote:
> > If anyone is interested the Black Country Living Museum in Dudley is
> > holding a festival of Black Country Vehicles on Sunday 25th July 2010.
> > I went last year & it was great (in spite of the weather). The museum
> > is excellent & admission is free for the driver & one passenger. The
> > festival features Quantums, Turners, Beans, & other vehicles made in
> > the Black Country.
> > Entry forms can be obtained from :
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