Re: [Quantum Owners] Re: Lowering springs for my 2+2.

2017-04-02 Thread calum mcpherson 
As far as I am aware the spacer/extensions are on both, and rear shocks are oil 
not gas , and I'm glad you agree with my theory on shock spacer.


Calum


From: quantumowners@googlegroups.com  on behalf 
of Susan and Martin Scott 
Sent: 02 April 2017 22:33:50
To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] Re: Lowering springs for my 2+2.

Ah - my mistake as I understood the spacer to be on the spring top (not the 
damper). Unless they are gas dampers a spacer (on end of damper)  won't have 
any effect (other than changing the limit of travel).
Martin
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From: calum mcpherson
To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com
Sent: Sunday, April 02, 2017 10:20 PM
Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] Re: Lowering springs for my 2+2.


As the spacer (I assume) screws onto the existing male screw fitting on top of 
shock , I doubt in terms of dropping in height that it would make much 
difference (as shock really only effects upstroke on suspension, not downstroke 
/load. I spoke to another 2+2 owner today , he has an early model (chassis in 
the 90s) , he has stripped rear suspension , and doesn't have a spacer / 
extender on his shock but car sits nicely in terms of wheel gap on same wheel / 
tyre set up as me. Beginning to think that it really depends what bits people 
have as to what gets fitted. As to cutting springs , would rather fit something 
designed to fit (if such a thing exists).

Thanks for input

Calum.



From: quantumowners@googlegroups.com  on behalf 
of Susan and Martin Scott 
Sent: 02 April 2017 22:09:54
To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] Re: Lowering springs for my 2+2.

One (non- destructive) solution could be to get some rear spacers made up to 
the same design but (guess) 20mm shorter. If that doesn't work then they 1) may 
not be too expensive? 2)could still also be useful with other springs. The 
other ( quicker but destructive!) way would be to chop 20mm equivalant off each 
of the rear springs with the angle grinder - maybe only about 1/2 turn off?  
This of course is non-reversible and will make the springs slightly stiffer 
(though probably not noticeably so)
Martin
- Original Message -
From: calum mcpherson
To: Quantum Owners Group
Sent: Saturday, April 01, 2017 5:52 PM
Subject: [Quantum Owners] Re: Lowering springs for my 2+2.

Ok, 32 replies and tbh, still not clear on  options, from what I've heard from 
replies I have established the following (I think) which is a great help

As it has been confirmed (by Jim Hearne) my car appears to be an early model 
2+2 and as such needs the longer rear springs (recommended by several to get 
1100 springs) and front springs can be XR2 or 1.4 model springs.

So, are std. 1100 rear springs indeed the 'longer' springs as required or do I 
need extra long 1100 springs ? (on checking spring sizes I see std. 1100 
springs are approx. 307mm long)

Front springs seem fairly simple and got my head round them, however the whole 
idea of my enquiry was to improve the 60mm rear and 70mm front wheel arch gap. 
My springs at present all work fine, and as I never fitted them and have no 
history on them I don't really know what is fitted, so is there actually a 
solution to my problem, I want to reduce wheel gap by about 35mm ?

I appreciate all replies, with pics would be a great help.

Thanks,

Calum.



On Wednesday, 29 March 2017 21:52:01 UTC+1, calum mcpherson wrote:
I've recently changed my wheels 15" with 195-50-15 tyres to the correct set up 
14" with 185-55-14, and my 2+2 looks like a Land Rover.
I was going to change springs anyway, but now have brought this job forward as 
not looking as I want.
I understand that the manual states 'Quantum red springs' for front and Fiesta 
mk2 1100 springs for rear, however when looking at lowering springs, most seem 
to be a standardised Fiesta mk2 set up , most covering full range excluding XR2 


Anyone got any experience with lowering springs , any recommendations would be 
great .

Car has std. XR2 engine set-up, thanks.

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Re: [Quantum Owners] Re: Lowering springs for my 2+2.

2017-04-02 Thread Susan and Martin Scott 
Ah - my mistake as I understood the spacer to be on the spring top (not the 
damper). Unless they are gas dampers a spacer (on end of damper)  won't have 
any effect (other than changing the limit of travel).
Martin
  - Original Message - 
  From: calum mcpherson 
  To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Sunday, April 02, 2017 10:20 PM
  Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] Re: Lowering springs for my 2+2.


  As the spacer (I assume) screws onto the existing male screw fitting on top 
of shock , I doubt in terms of dropping in height that it would make much 
difference (as shock really only effects upstroke on suspension, not downstroke 
/load. I spoke to another 2+2 owner today , he has an early model (chassis in 
the 90s) , he has stripped rear suspension , and doesn't have a spacer / 
extender on his shock but car sits nicely in terms of wheel gap on same wheel / 
tyre set up as me. Beginning to think that it really depends what bits people 
have as to what gets fitted. As to cutting springs , would rather fit something 
designed to fit (if such a thing exists).



  Thanks for input


  Calum.




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  From: quantumowners@googlegroups.com  on 
behalf of Susan and Martin Scott 
  Sent: 02 April 2017 22:09:54
  To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com
  Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] Re: Lowering springs for my 2+2. 

  One (non- destructive) solution could be to get some rear spacers made up to 
the same design but (guess) 20mm shorter. If that doesn't work then they 1) may 
not be too expensive? 2)could still also be useful with other springs. The 
other ( quicker but destructive!) way would be to chop 20mm equivalant off each 
of the rear springs with the angle grinder - maybe only about 1/2 turn off?  
This of course is non-reversible and will make the springs slightly stiffer 
(though probably not noticeably so)
  Martin
- Original Message - 
From: calum mcpherson 
To: Quantum Owners Group 
Sent: Saturday, April 01, 2017 5:52 PM
Subject: [Quantum Owners] Re: Lowering springs for my 2+2.


Ok, 32 replies and tbh, still not clear on  options, from what I've heard 
from replies I have established the following (I think) which is a great help


As it has been confirmed (by Jim Hearne) my car appears to be an early 
model 2+2 and as such needs the longer rear springs (recommended by several to 
get 1100 springs) and front springs can be XR2 or 1.4 model springs.


So, are std. 1100 rear springs indeed the 'longer' springs as required or 
do I need extra long 1100 springs ? (on checking spring sizes I see std. 1100 
springs are approx. 307mm long)


Front springs seem fairly simple and got my head round them, however the 
whole idea of my enquiry was to improve the 60mm rear and 70mm front wheel arch 
gap. My springs at present all work fine, and as I never fitted them and have 
no history on them I don't really know what is fitted, so is there actually a 
solution to my problem, I want to reduce wheel gap by about 35mm ?


I appreciate all replies, with pics would be a great help.


Thanks,


Calum.




On Wednesday, 29 March 2017 21:52:01 UTC+1, calum mcpherson wrote:
  I've recently changed my wheels 15" with 195-50-15 tyres to the correct 
set up 14" with 185-55-14, and my 2+2 looks like a Land Rover. 
  I was going to change springs anyway, but now have brought this job 
forward as not looking as I want.
  I understand that the manual states 'Quantum red springs' for front and 
Fiesta mk2 1100 springs for rear, however when looking at lowering springs, 
most seem to be a standardised Fiesta mk2 set up , most covering full range 
excluding XR2 


  Anyone got any experience with lowering springs , any recommendations 
would be great .


  Car has std. XR2 engine set-up, thanks.

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Re: [Quantum Owners] Re: Lowering springs for my 2+2.

2017-04-02 Thread calum mcpherson 
As the spacer (I assume) screws onto the existing male screw fitting on top of 
shock , I doubt in terms of dropping in height that it would make much 
difference (as shock really only effects upstroke on suspension, not downstroke 
/load. I spoke to another 2+2 owner today , he has an early model (chassis in 
the 90s) , he has stripped rear suspension , and doesn't have a spacer / 
extender on his shock but car sits nicely in terms of wheel gap on same wheel / 
tyre set up as me. Beginning to think that it really depends what bits people 
have as to what gets fitted. As to cutting springs , would rather fit something 
designed to fit (if such a thing exists).

Thanks for input

Calum.



From: quantumowners@googlegroups.com  on behalf 
of Susan and Martin Scott 
Sent: 02 April 2017 22:09:54
To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] Re: Lowering springs for my 2+2.

One (non- destructive) solution could be to get some rear spacers made up to 
the same design but (guess) 20mm shorter. If that doesn't work then they 1) may 
not be too expensive? 2)could still also be useful with other springs. The 
other ( quicker but destructive!) way would be to chop 20mm equivalant off each 
of the rear springs with the angle grinder - maybe only about 1/2 turn off?  
This of course is non-reversible and will make the springs slightly stiffer 
(though probably not noticeably so)
Martin
- Original Message -
From: calum mcpherson
To: Quantum Owners Group
Sent: Saturday, April 01, 2017 5:52 PM
Subject: [Quantum Owners] Re: Lowering springs for my 2+2.

Ok, 32 replies and tbh, still not clear on  options, from what I've heard from 
replies I have established the following (I think) which is a great help

As it has been confirmed (by Jim Hearne) my car appears to be an early model 
2+2 and as such needs the longer rear springs (recommended by several to get 
1100 springs) and front springs can be XR2 or 1.4 model springs.

So, are std. 1100 rear springs indeed the 'longer' springs as required or do I 
need extra long 1100 springs ? (on checking spring sizes I see std. 1100 
springs are approx. 307mm long)

Front springs seem fairly simple and got my head round them, however the whole 
idea of my enquiry was to improve the 60mm rear and 70mm front wheel arch gap. 
My springs at present all work fine, and as I never fitted them and have no 
history on them I don't really know what is fitted, so is there actually a 
solution to my problem, I want to reduce wheel gap by about 35mm ?

I appreciate all replies, with pics would be a great help.

Thanks,

Calum.



On Wednesday, 29 March 2017 21:52:01 UTC+1, calum mcpherson wrote:
I've recently changed my wheels 15" with 195-50-15 tyres to the correct set up 
14" with 185-55-14, and my 2+2 looks like a Land Rover.
I was going to change springs anyway, but now have brought this job forward as 
not looking as I want.
I understand that the manual states 'Quantum red springs' for front and Fiesta 
mk2 1100 springs for rear, however when looking at lowering springs, most seem 
to be a standardised Fiesta mk2 set up , most covering full range excluding XR2 


Anyone got any experience with lowering springs , any recommendations would be 
great .

Car has std. XR2 engine set-up, thanks.

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Re: [Quantum Owners] Re: Lowering springs for my 2+2.

2017-04-02 Thread Susan and Martin Scott 
One (non- destructive) solution could be to get some rear spacers made up to 
the same design but (guess) 20mm shorter. If that doesn't work then they 1) may 
not be too expensive? 2)could still also be useful with other springs. The 
other ( quicker but destructive!) way would be to chop 20mm equivalant off each 
of the rear springs with the angle grinder - maybe only about 1/2 turn off?  
This of course is non-reversible and will make the springs slightly stiffer 
(though probably not noticeably so)
Martin
  - Original Message - 
  From: calum mcpherson 
  To: Quantum Owners Group 
  Sent: Saturday, April 01, 2017 5:52 PM
  Subject: [Quantum Owners] Re: Lowering springs for my 2+2.


  Ok, 32 replies and tbh, still not clear on  options, from what I've heard 
from replies I have established the following (I think) which is a great help


  As it has been confirmed (by Jim Hearne) my car appears to be an early model 
2+2 and as such needs the longer rear springs (recommended by several to get 
1100 springs) and front springs can be XR2 or 1.4 model springs.


  So, are std. 1100 rear springs indeed the 'longer' springs as required or do 
I need extra long 1100 springs ? (on checking spring sizes I see std. 1100 
springs are approx. 307mm long)


  Front springs seem fairly simple and got my head round them, however the 
whole idea of my enquiry was to improve the 60mm rear and 70mm front wheel arch 
gap. My springs at present all work fine, and as I never fitted them and have 
no history on them I don't really know what is fitted, so is there actually a 
solution to my problem, I want to reduce wheel gap by about 35mm ?


  I appreciate all replies, with pics would be a great help.


  Thanks,


  Calum.




  On Wednesday, 29 March 2017 21:52:01 UTC+1, calum mcpherson wrote:
I've recently changed my wheels 15" with 195-50-15 tyres to the correct set 
up 14" with 185-55-14, and my 2+2 looks like a Land Rover. 
I was going to change springs anyway, but now have brought this job forward 
as not looking as I want.
I understand that the manual states 'Quantum red springs' for front and 
Fiesta mk2 1100 springs for rear, however when looking at lowering springs, 
most seem to be a standardised Fiesta mk2 set up , most covering full range 
excluding XR2 


Anyone got any experience with lowering springs , any recommendations would 
be great .


Car has std. XR2 engine set-up, thanks.

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Re: [Quantum Owners] Fw: Complete Kit Car news – Stoneleigh seminars are back

2017-04-02 Thread Susan and Martin Scott 
That's good - look forward to see you (and little Max) again.
Martin
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  To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Saturday, April 01, 2017 8:42 AM
  Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] Fw: Complete Kit Car news – Stoneleigh seminars 
are back


  Myself and "little Max" will be coming down for both days from Newcastle 


  Mark


  On 1 Apr 2017 08:04, "Edward r"  wrote:

Hi Jan
It is always great to see you, but throw in another 2+2 and its very 
tempting.
Edd

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Re: [Quantum Owners] Fw: Complete Kit Car news – Stoneleigh seminars are back

2017-04-02 Thread Susan and Martin Scott 

Maybe concentrating on the positives could encourage more members to attend.
Enjoy the company of fellow Quantum owners and see their cars. There is the 
excellent QOC Catering and the AGM to attend and participate in.
Aside from quantums there are many new cars to see including a new one from 
Lee Noble! As in my earlier note there are KIT CAR SEMINARS provided free by 
Complete Kit Car  (register due to limited spaces).
And. Hopefully some good weather, as last year's weather forecast 
unfortunately kept some away.

Martin
ps I'll be there with the Quantumsleep Caravan (I hope that's viewed as a 
positive :-) )




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From: "Edward r" 

To: "Quantum Owners Group" 
Sent: Friday, March 31, 2017 8:24 PM
Subject: [Quantum Owners] Fw: Complete Kit Car news – Stoneleigh seminars 
are back



After last years very disappointing turn out of Quantums, ie low numbers.
Can anyone here encourage me to attend.
I love Quantums and really enjoy looking at the cars on our stand as well as 
meeting up with all the owners, but last year was painful to see. Low number 
of cars and a practically empty club tent.
I want to see a vibrant, energetic stand full of owners, so do I take the 
chance of attendance this year or not?

More to the point, are you going? Yes, you, reading this, please advise.
Edd

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Re: [Quantum Owners] Chassis-Kit number identification.

2017-04-02 Thread calum mcpherson 
Had door cards off recently, made new ones, didn't see anything in there , but 
thanks for tip.

Calum



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Sent: 02 April 2017 21:37:21
To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] Chassis-Kit number identification.

You could try looking inside the door!
My Q (saloon) had the chassis number in the form of Q4 - 215 written on the
inside of the door moulding :-)
Martin


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To: "Quantum Owners Group" 
Sent: Friday, March 31, 2017 8:13 PM
Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] Chassis-Kit number identification.


Hi Jim
Most of the details were passed onto John Sampson.
I did have all the records when I had Quantum, but passed them back to John
when I gave Q back to him.
I can confirm that John still has all the records and they are safe.
I would also like to say that John does take the DPA seriously and those
details,are safe in his care.

EDDIE

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Re: [Quantum Owners] Chassis-Kit number identification.

2017-04-02 Thread Susan and Martin Scott 

You could try looking inside the door!
My Q (saloon) had the chassis number in the form of Q4 - 215 written on the 
inside of the door moulding :-)

Martin


- Original Message - 
From: "Edward r" 

To: "Quantum Owners Group" 
Sent: Friday, March 31, 2017 8:13 PM
Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] Chassis-Kit number identification.


Hi Jim
Most of the details were passed onto John Sampson.
I did have all the records when I had Quantum, but passed them back to John 
when I gave Q back to him.

I can confirm that John still has all the records and they are safe.
I would also like to say that John does take the DPA seriously and those 
details,are safe in his care.


EDDIE

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Re: [Quantum Owners] Lowering springs for my 2+2.

2017-04-02 Thread 'jonathan jackson' via Quantum Owners Group 
Hi CalumThis second video was taken before I sorted the suspension out.the car 
in the video was too low and stiff on XR2 springs.The trackday video was done 
with the suspension sorted and though its difficult to decide what is best it 
drives without vices now and does 1 min 28 round Combe in my hands (which are 
getting slower as I age!cheersJon 

On Friday, 31 March 2017, 12:17, calum mcpherson  
wrote:
 

 #yiv6470884874 #yiv6470884874 -- P 
{margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;}#yiv6470884874 VTS_01_1mpeg Quantum 1April.VOB
Is the above video with it before the spring change or after ?
Thanks Calum.
From: 'jonathan jackson' via Quantum Owners Group 

Sent: 31 March 2017 09:07:06
To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] Lowering springs for my 2+2. When I bought my 2+2 
Turbo it was extremely low and was a pain to drive, crashing and bumping over 
rough roads and torque steering when throttle was used especially when pulling 
out and overtaking. In fact it was hard to avoid hitting the car I was 
overtaking!After taking advice from the members here and especially Jim I 
bought some fiesta 1400 fronts and 1100 rears as I recall, and that was 5 years 
ago and since then my wife and I have done many trackdays and road miles with 
no problems.Here is a videohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HAnB-h9PhgM  where 
we play with a Lambo Gallardo who had my wife on board and later he took me 
round too and being in a supercar driven flat out is a great 
experience!CheersJon

On Thursday, 30 March 2017, 21:27, Jim Hearne  wrote:


Hi Dave, I presume that your car was made before Quantum decided the rear of 
the car was too low and added the spacer to the shock and the got the longer 
rear springs made.
I don't think it disagrees with what i said, just your car pre-dates it being 
implemented.

I'm sure the intention with the 2+2 when it was designed was that it could take 
XR2 suspension parts, they just got the calculations a bit wrong to start with.

Jim


On 30/03/2017 20:33, Dave English wrote:

Hi Calum

I've got Q2-009 which is definately an early one.

Originally I had the standard XR2 springs on the front and standard Mk2 1100 
springs on the rear, tyres where 185/60 13's (again standard XR2). The rear XR2 
springs were too short, the rear tyres sitting against the inner arch before 
the springs took the weight.

I've checked my build manual and looked at the car, and there is nothing on top 
of the shocks or the springs. The shocks were (and still are) standard XR2. The 
only 'spacer' is inside the spring for the bump stop, it doesn't affect the 
spring or shock length.

Hopefully a picture is attached showing my car with this set-up (the one with 
the tent behind it). This is about as low as you want to go, a rough road would 
see my stainless steel manifold hitting the ground, I've now got a thick plate 
welded to it.

I currently run with the Quantum springs and 185/60 14 tyres on Sierra wheels 
(185/60 13's were getting hard to find). It's a little softer and a bit higher 
off the ground but the bigger tyres help to the fill the arches. I don't know 
if these tyres would work with XR2 front springs because I changed my springs a 
while before I changed the wheels. The second photo shows this set-up.

Your 185/55 14 set-up has the same diameter as the standard XR2 tyres so XR2 
front springs will be about right but don't put XR2 springs on the rear.

I know that this info disagrees with some other posts but I went and looked at 
the car to confirm what I thought and read my 2+2 build manuals (I have an 
early one, partially photo copied from hand written, and a later, standard 
one). The way I have described it is what the manual says and what I saw under 
the car.

Hope this helps and doesn't add too much confusion.

Regards
Dave English

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Re: [Quantum Owners] Re: Lowering springs for my 2+2.

2017-04-02 Thread 'Robert Craig' via Quantum Owners Group 
Almost worn TOYO R1Rs 195/50 15 on the front and part worn 195/45 15 on the 
rear. The rear tyres last for ever as they do very little work. Even on a hot 
day on a track day they hardly get warm. Changed the fronts to 195/50 as R1Rs 
don't come in 45 profile. 

Bob

Sent from my iPad

> On 2 Apr 2017, at 17:45, calum mcpherson  wrote:
> 
> Got it thanks and replied, meant to ask what size wheels & tyres are fitted 
> in the pic you sent ?Thanks Calum. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On 2 Apr 2017, at 17:34, 'Robert Craig' via Quantum Owners Group 
>  wrote:
> 
>> Sent you an email with a pic.
>> 
>> Bob
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>> On 2 Apr 2017, at 14:00, calum mcpherson  wrote:
>> 
>>> As long as car can be seen sitting on its wheels that would be what I need 
>>> to see.
>>> 
>>> I can't see a way to PM on this Forum or I would send you my number, but 
>>> could pop over anytime to suit you.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Thanks again
>>> 
>>> Calum
>>> 
>>> From: 'Robert Craig' via Quantum Owners Group 
>>> 
>>> Sent: 02 April 2017 13:53:08
>>> To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] Re: Lowering springs for my 2+2.
>>>  
>>> Car is off road at the moment. MOT on Thursday. Assuming all is ok, might 
>>> be able to do something Saturday or Sunday.
>>> 
>>> Bob
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>> 
>>> On 2 Apr 2017, at 09:21, calum mcpherson  wrote:
>>> 
 I'm in Carluke Bob, Andy 'Droid ' on proboards has been over, he stays in 
 Renfrew, but at present his car is being worked on, so can't really see 
 it. Would love to see your set up anytime that suits. PM me your details 
 and hopefully we could meet up. Thanks Calum. 
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On 2 Apr 2017, at 09:01, 'Robert Craig' via Quantum Owners Group 
  wrote:
 
> Calum, where in Scotland are you. I am in Paisley and have an early model 
> (063) with standard XR2 front springs and 1100 rears on fitted around 
> 3000 miles ago so still fresh. My car may be slightly heavier at the 
> front with the addition of the turbo and intercooler stuff but it will 
> give you a good guide. There are actually quite a few quantums in 
> Scotland, at least 10 at the last count and probably some more that don't 
> use either The Scottish Kit Car Club or QOC. 
> 
> Bob
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
> On 1 Apr 2017, at 22:20, calum mcpherson  wrote:
> 
>> Think I will need another plan, removing all to measure (while a pain) 
>> may be an option, but a run to Stoneleigh from Scotland to measure wheel 
>> gap, probably not. Back to the drawing board.
>> 
>> Calum
>> 
>>> On Saturday, 1 April 2017 21:45:50 UTC+1, Jim Hearne wrote:
>>> All the Quantum ones were red as far as i know.
>>> If they are black original Ford ones they will have 2 or 3 coloured 
>>> bands about 1cm wide painted round a turn of the coil.
>>> 
>>> You only real way of finding out is to take the springs off the car and 
>>> measure them.
>>> Or wait until Stoneleigh and measure the ride height of some of the 
>>> other 2+2's there with known suspension setups.
>>> 
>>> Jim
>>> 
>>> 
 On 01/04/2017 19:25, calum mcpherson wrote:
 Springs are black, not Red and I can see no markings on them.
 
 As said previously rear springs are sitting at 250mm approx. with car 
 sitting on ground, so at a guess might be about 307mm (std rear 1100cc 
 length) when not under load.
 
 So the spacer on Rear shock (about 50-60mm) can be removed and 
 std.1100cc springs fitted , which I would assume would give a drop, 
 assuming existing springs are indeed the extended 'Quantum' one's, but 
 would this give drop if rears are not ,and how much would you think?
 
 By fitting XR2 springs to front (assuming not XR2 at present) would 
 give at max about 30mm(depending on manufacturer),which would be fine. 
 
 Sorry to be a pain on this, but don't want to spend money and not get 
 the results I want, thanks again.
 
 
 
 Calum.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 From: quantu...@googlegroups.com  on 
 behalf of Jim Hearne  
 Sent: 01 April 2017 18:38:56
 To: quantu...@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] Re: Lowering springs for my 2+2.
  
 The long springs for the rear of the early 2+2's are longer still than 
 1100 springs.
 They were made specially for Quantum.
 
 On the later 2+2's they

Re: [Quantum Owners] Re: Lowering springs for my 2+2.

2017-04-02 Thread calum mcpherson 
Got it thanks and replied, meant to ask what size wheels & tyres are fitted in 
the pic you sent ?Thanks Calum.

Sent from my iPhone

On 2 Apr 2017, at 17:34, 'Robert Craig' via Quantum Owners Group 
> wrote:

Sent you an email with a pic.

Bob

Sent from my iPad

On 2 Apr 2017, at 14:00, calum mcpherson 
> wrote:


As long as car can be seen sitting on its wheels that would be what I need to 
see.

I can't see a way to PM on this Forum or I would send you my number, but could 
pop over anytime to suit you.

Thanks again

Calum



From: 'Robert Craig' via Quantum Owners Group 
>
Sent: 02 April 2017 13:53:08
To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] Re: Lowering springs for my 2+2.

Car is off road at the moment. MOT on Thursday. Assuming all is ok, might be 
able to do something Saturday or Sunday.

Bob

Sent from my iPad

On 2 Apr 2017, at 09:21, calum mcpherson 
> wrote:

I'm in Carluke Bob, Andy 'Droid ' on proboards has been over, he stays in 
Renfrew, but at present his car is being worked on, so can't really see it. 
Would love to see your set up anytime that suits. PM me your details and 
hopefully we could meet up. Thanks Calum.

Sent from my iPhone

On 2 Apr 2017, at 09:01, 'Robert Craig' via Quantum Owners Group 
> wrote:

Calum, where in Scotland are you. I am in Paisley and have an early model (063) 
with standard XR2 front springs and 1100 rears on fitted around 3000 miles ago 
so still fresh. My car may be slightly heavier at the front with the addition 
of the turbo and intercooler stuff but it will give you a good guide. There are 
actually quite a few quantums in Scotland, at least 10 at the last count and 
probably some more that don't use either The Scottish Kit Car Club or QOC.

Bob

Sent from my iPad

On 1 Apr 2017, at 22:20, calum mcpherson 
> wrote:

Think I will need another plan, removing all to measure (while a pain) may be 
an option, but a run to Stoneleigh from Scotland to measure wheel gap, probably 
not. Back to the drawing board.

Calum

On Saturday, 1 April 2017 21:45:50 UTC+1, Jim Hearne wrote:
All the Quantum ones were red as far as i know.
If they are black original Ford ones they will have 2 or 3 coloured bands about 
1cm wide painted round a turn of the coil.

You only real way of finding out is to take the springs off the car and measure 
them.
Or wait until Stoneleigh and measure the ride height of some of the other 2+2's 
there with known suspension setups.

Jim


On 01/04/2017 19:25, calum mcpherson wrote:

Springs are black, not Red and I can see no markings on them.

As said previously rear springs are sitting at 250mm approx. with car sitting 
on ground, so at a guess might be about 307mm (std rear 1100cc length) when not 
under load.

So the spacer on Rear shock (about 50-60mm) can be removed and std.1100cc 
springs fitted , which I would assume would give a drop, assuming existing 
springs are indeed the extended 'Quantum' one's, but would this give drop if 
rears are not ,and how much would you think?

By fitting XR2 springs to front (assuming not XR2 at present) would give at max 
about 30mm(depending on manufacturer),which would be fine.

Sorry to be a pain on this, but don't want to spend money and not get the 
results I want, thanks again.


Calum.







From: quantu...@googlegroups.com 
 on behalf of Jim Hearne 

Sent: 01 April 2017 18:38:56
To: quantu...@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] Re: Lowering springs for my 2+2.

The long springs for the rear of the early 2+2's are longer still than 1100 
springs.
They were made specially for Quantum.

On the later 2+2's they corrected the spring and shock mountings and standard 
1100 springs are used.
The main reason for using the 1100 springs on the rear was that the rear of the 
2+2 is much lighter than the rear of a Fiesta and the 1100 springs were softest.

The front springs were recommend to be Quantum spec as well, i believe these 
were uprated springs but with a non XR2 length.

What colour are the springs on your 2+2 ?
If red they are probably Quantum springs.

In my opinion your next stage is to fit standard XR2 springs on the front and 
standard 1100 springs on the rear and remove the spacer from the top of the 
rear shocks.

Jim





On 01/04/2017 17:52, calum mcpherson wrote:
Ok, 32 replies and tbh, still not clear on  options, from what I've heard from 
replies I have established the following (I think) which is a great help

As it

Re: [Quantum Owners] Re: Lowering springs for my 2+2.

2017-04-02 Thread 'Robert Craig' via Quantum Owners Group 
Sent you an email with a pic.

Bob

Sent from my iPad

> On 2 Apr 2017, at 14:00, calum mcpherson  wrote:
> 
> As long as car can be seen sitting on its wheels that would be what I need to 
> see.
> 
> I can't see a way to PM on this Forum or I would send you my number, but 
> could pop over anytime to suit you.
> 
> 
> Thanks again
> 
> Calum
> 
> From: 'Robert Craig' via Quantum Owners Group 
> Sent: 02 April 2017 13:53:08
> To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] Re: Lowering springs for my 2+2.
>  
> Car is off road at the moment. MOT on Thursday. Assuming all is ok, might be 
> able to do something Saturday or Sunday.
> 
> Bob
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
> On 2 Apr 2017, at 09:21, calum mcpherson  wrote:
> 
>> I'm in Carluke Bob, Andy 'Droid ' on proboards has been over, he stays in 
>> Renfrew, but at present his car is being worked on, so can't really see it. 
>> Would love to see your set up anytime that suits. PM me your details and 
>> hopefully we could meet up. Thanks Calum. 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On 2 Apr 2017, at 09:01, 'Robert Craig' via Quantum Owners Group 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>>> Calum, where in Scotland are you. I am in Paisley and have an early model 
>>> (063) with standard XR2 front springs and 1100 rears on fitted around 3000 
>>> miles ago so still fresh. My car may be slightly heavier at the front with 
>>> the addition of the turbo and intercooler stuff but it will give you a good 
>>> guide. There are actually quite a few quantums in Scotland, at least 10 at 
>>> the last count and probably some more that don't use either The Scottish 
>>> Kit Car Club or QOC. 
>>> 
>>> Bob
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>> 
>>> On 1 Apr 2017, at 22:20, calum mcpherson  wrote:
>>> 
 Think I will need another plan, removing all to measure (while a pain) may 
 be an option, but a run to Stoneleigh from Scotland to measure wheel gap, 
 probably not. Back to the drawing board.
 
 Calum
 
> On Saturday, 1 April 2017 21:45:50 UTC+1, Jim Hearne wrote:
> All the Quantum ones were red as far as i know.
> If they are black original Ford ones they will have 2 or 3 coloured bands 
> about 1cm wide painted round a turn of the coil.
> 
> You only real way of finding out is to take the springs off the car and 
> measure them.
> Or wait until Stoneleigh and measure the ride height of some of the other 
> 2+2's there with known suspension setups.
> 
> Jim
> 
> 
>> On 01/04/2017 19:25, calum mcpherson wrote:
>> Springs are black, not Red and I can see no markings on them.
>> 
>> As said previously rear springs are sitting at 250mm approx. with car 
>> sitting on ground, so at a guess might be about 307mm (std rear 1100cc 
>> length) when not under load.
>> 
>> So the spacer on Rear shock (about 50-60mm) can be removed and 
>> std.1100cc springs fitted , which I would assume would give a drop, 
>> assuming existing springs are indeed the extended 'Quantum' one's, but 
>> would this give drop if rears are not ,and how much would you think?
>> 
>> By fitting XR2 springs to front (assuming not XR2 at present) would give 
>> at max about 30mm(depending on manufacturer),which would be fine. 
>> 
>> Sorry to be a pain on this, but don't want to spend money and not get 
>> the results I want, thanks again.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Calum.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> From: quantu...@googlegroups.com  on behalf 
>> of Jim Hearne 
>> Sent: 01 April 2017 18:38:56
>> To: quantu...@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] Re: Lowering springs for my 2+2.
>>  
>> The long springs for the rear of the early 2+2's are longer still than 
>> 1100 springs.
>> They were made specially for Quantum.
>> 
>> On the later 2+2's they corrected the spring and shock mountings and 
>> standard 1100 springs are used.
>> The main reason for using the 1100 springs on the rear was that the rear 
>> of the 2+2 is much lighter than the rear of a Fiesta and the 1100 
>> springs were softest.
>> 
>> The front springs were recommend to be Quantum spec as well, i believe 
>> these were uprated springs but with a non XR2 length.
>> 
>> What colour are the springs on your 2+2 ?
>> If red they are probably Quantum springs.
>> 
>> In my opinion your next stage is to fit standard XR2 springs on the 
>> front and standard 1100 springs on the rear and remove the spacer from 
>> the top of the rear shocks.
>> 
>> Jim
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 01/04/2017 17:52, calum mcpherson wrote:
>>> Ok, 32 replies and tbh, still

Re: [Quantum Owners] Re: Lowering springs for my 2+2.

2017-04-02 Thread calum mcpherson 
As long as car can be seen sitting on its wheels that would be what I need to 
see.

I can't see a way to PM on this Forum or I would send you my number, but could 
pop over anytime to suit you.

Thanks again

Calum



From: 'Robert Craig' via Quantum Owners Group 
Sent: 02 April 2017 13:53:08
To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] Re: Lowering springs for my 2+2.

Car is off road at the moment. MOT on Thursday. Assuming all is ok, might be 
able to do something Saturday or Sunday.

Bob

Sent from my iPad

On 2 Apr 2017, at 09:21, calum mcpherson 
> wrote:

I'm in Carluke Bob, Andy 'Droid ' on proboards has been over, he stays in 
Renfrew, but at present his car is being worked on, so can't really see it. 
Would love to see your set up anytime that suits. PM me your details and 
hopefully we could meet up. Thanks Calum.

Sent from my iPhone

On 2 Apr 2017, at 09:01, 'Robert Craig' via Quantum Owners Group 
> wrote:

Calum, where in Scotland are you. I am in Paisley and have an early model (063) 
with standard XR2 front springs and 1100 rears on fitted around 3000 miles ago 
so still fresh. My car may be slightly heavier at the front with the addition 
of the turbo and intercooler stuff but it will give you a good guide. There are 
actually quite a few quantums in Scotland, at least 10 at the last count and 
probably some more that don't use either The Scottish Kit Car Club or QOC.

Bob

Sent from my iPad

On 1 Apr 2017, at 22:20, calum mcpherson 
> wrote:

Think I will need another plan, removing all to measure (while a pain) may be 
an option, but a run to Stoneleigh from Scotland to measure wheel gap, probably 
not. Back to the drawing board.

Calum

On Saturday, 1 April 2017 21:45:50 UTC+1, Jim Hearne wrote:
All the Quantum ones were red as far as i know.
If they are black original Ford ones they will have 2 or 3 coloured bands about 
1cm wide painted round a turn of the coil.

You only real way of finding out is to take the springs off the car and measure 
them.
Or wait until Stoneleigh and measure the ride height of some of the other 2+2's 
there with known suspension setups.

Jim


On 01/04/2017 19:25, calum mcpherson wrote:

Springs are black, not Red and I can see no markings on them.

As said previously rear springs are sitting at 250mm approx. with car sitting 
on ground, so at a guess might be about 307mm (std rear 1100cc length) when not 
under load.

So the spacer on Rear shock (about 50-60mm) can be removed and std.1100cc 
springs fitted , which I would assume would give a drop, assuming existing 
springs are indeed the extended 'Quantum' one's, but would this give drop if 
rears are not ,and how much would you think?

By fitting XR2 springs to front (assuming not XR2 at present) would give at max 
about 30mm(depending on manufacturer),which would be fine.

Sorry to be a pain on this, but don't want to spend money and not get the 
results I want, thanks again.


Calum.







From: quantu...@googlegroups.com 
 on behalf of Jim Hearne 

Sent: 01 April 2017 18:38:56
To: quantu...@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] Re: Lowering springs for my 2+2.

The long springs for the rear of the early 2+2's are longer still than 1100 
springs.
They were made specially for Quantum.

On the later 2+2's they corrected the spring and shock mountings and standard 
1100 springs are used.
The main reason for using the 1100 springs on the rear was that the rear of the 
2+2 is much lighter than the rear of a Fiesta and the 1100 springs were softest.

The front springs were recommend to be Quantum spec as well, i believe these 
were uprated springs but with a non XR2 length.

What colour are the springs on your 2+2 ?
If red they are probably Quantum springs.

In my opinion your next stage is to fit standard XR2 springs on the front and 
standard 1100 springs on the rear and remove the spacer from the top of the 
rear shocks.

Jim





On 01/04/2017 17:52, calum mcpherson wrote:
Ok, 32 replies and tbh, still not clear on  options, from what I've heard from 
replies I have established the following (I think) which is a great help

As it has been confirmed (by Jim Hearne) my car appears to be an early model 
2+2 and as such needs the longer rear springs (recommended by several to get 
1100 springs) and front springs can be XR2 or 1.4 model springs.

So, are std. 1100 rear springs indeed the 'longer' springs as required or do I 
need extra long 1100 springs ? (on checking spring sizes I see std. 1100 
springs are approx. 307mm long)

Front springs seem fairly simple and got my head round them, however the whole 
idea of my enquiry was to improve the 60mm

Re: [Quantum Owners] Re: Lowering springs for my 2+2.

2017-04-02 Thread 'Robert Craig' via Quantum Owners Group 
Car is off road at the moment. MOT on Thursday. Assuming all is ok, might be 
able to do something Saturday or Sunday.

Bob

Sent from my iPad

> On 2 Apr 2017, at 09:21, calum mcpherson  wrote:
> 
> I'm in Carluke Bob, Andy 'Droid ' on proboards has been over, he stays in 
> Renfrew, but at present his car is being worked on, so can't really see it. 
> Would love to see your set up anytime that suits. PM me your details and 
> hopefully we could meet up. Thanks Calum. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On 2 Apr 2017, at 09:01, 'Robert Craig' via Quantum Owners Group 
>  wrote:
> 
>> Calum, where in Scotland are you. I am in Paisley and have an early model 
>> (063) with standard XR2 front springs and 1100 rears on fitted around 3000 
>> miles ago so still fresh. My car may be slightly heavier at the front with 
>> the addition of the turbo and intercooler stuff but it will give you a good 
>> guide. There are actually quite a few quantums in Scotland, at least 10 at 
>> the last count and probably some more that don't use either The Scottish Kit 
>> Car Club or QOC. 
>> 
>> Bob
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>> On 1 Apr 2017, at 22:20, calum mcpherson  wrote:
>> 
>>> Think I will need another plan, removing all to measure (while a pain) may 
>>> be an option, but a run to Stoneleigh from Scotland to measure wheel gap, 
>>> probably not. Back to the drawing board.
>>> 
>>> Calum
>>> 
 On Saturday, 1 April 2017 21:45:50 UTC+1, Jim Hearne wrote:
 All the Quantum ones were red as far as i know.
 If they are black original Ford ones they will have 2 or 3 coloured bands 
 about 1cm wide painted round a turn of the coil.
 
 You only real way of finding out is to take the springs off the car and 
 measure them.
 Or wait until Stoneleigh and measure the ride height of some of the other 
 2+2's there with known suspension setups.
 
 Jim
 
 
> On 01/04/2017 19:25, calum mcpherson wrote:
> Springs are black, not Red and I can see no markings on them.
> 
> As said previously rear springs are sitting at 250mm approx. with car 
> sitting on ground, so at a guess might be about 307mm (std rear 1100cc 
> length) when not under load.
> 
> So the spacer on Rear shock (about 50-60mm) can be removed and std.1100cc 
> springs fitted , which I would assume would give a drop, assuming 
> existing springs are indeed the extended 'Quantum' one's, but would this 
> give drop if rears are not ,and how much would you think?
> 
> By fitting XR2 springs to front (assuming not XR2 at present) would give 
> at max about 30mm(depending on manufacturer),which would be fine. 
> 
> Sorry to be a pain on this, but don't want to spend money and not get the 
> results I want, thanks again.
> 
> 
> 
> Calum.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> From: quantu...@googlegroups.com  on behalf 
> of Jim Hearne 
> Sent: 01 April 2017 18:38:56
> To: quantu...@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] Re: Lowering springs for my 2+2.
>  
> The long springs for the rear of the early 2+2's are longer still than 
> 1100 springs.
> They were made specially for Quantum.
> 
> On the later 2+2's they corrected the spring and shock mountings and 
> standard 1100 springs are used.
> The main reason for using the 1100 springs on the rear was that the rear 
> of the 2+2 is much lighter than the rear of a Fiesta and the 1100 springs 
> were softest.
> 
> The front springs were recommend to be Quantum spec as well, i believe 
> these were uprated springs but with a non XR2 length.
> 
> What colour are the springs on your 2+2 ?
> If red they are probably Quantum springs.
> 
> In my opinion your next stage is to fit standard XR2 springs on the front 
> and standard 1100 springs on the rear and remove the spacer from the top 
> of the rear shocks.
> 
> Jim
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On 01/04/2017 17:52, calum mcpherson wrote:
>> Ok, 32 replies and tbh, still not clear on  options, from what I've 
>> heard from replies I have established the following (I think) which is a 
>> great help
>> 
>> As it has been confirmed (by Jim Hearne) my car appears to be an early 
>> model 2+2 and as such needs the longer rear springs (recommended by 
>> several to get 1100 springs) and front springs can be XR2 or 1.4 model 
>> springs.
>> 
>> So, are std. 1100 rear springs indeed the 'longer' springs as required 
>> or do I need extra long 1100 springs ? (on checking spring sizes I see 
>> std. 1100 springs are approx. 307mm long)
>> 
>> Front springs seem fairly simple and got my head round them, however the 
>> whole

[Quantum Owners] Re: Fw: Complete Kit Car news – Stoneleigh seminars are back

2017-04-02 Thread Rolf 
Hi all,
Since last year my Quantum won a prize in best overseas Quantum, it will be 
joining you this year in the catagory 'best last minutes overseas Quantum". 
It sits in the garage with no wheels, due to the wheels being refurbished.  The 
process has been delayed somewhat, but hopefully everthing will be ready by 
then. 
We will travel all the way in company of a Midas convertible and a coupe. 
The idea is to may be catch up on the Saturday, go to Blyton's mini actionday 
on Sunday, travel back to Stoneleigh, probably missing the bbq (may be there's 
a bit left?) , but in time for the pubquiz!
Is it still on? Or is there more serious talking in the evening? It will be a 
jam packed weekend, now there's only one whole day at the show.

Looking forward meeting you all, especially the electric 2+2, (will you be 
there Anthony on Sunday evening and or Monday?)
Rolf

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Re: [Quantum Owners] Re: Lowering springs for my 2+2.

2017-04-02 Thread calum mcpherson 
I'm in Carluke Bob, Andy 'Droid ' on proboards has been over, he stays in 
Renfrew, but at present his car is being worked on, so can't really see it. 
Would love to see your set up anytime that suits. PM me your details and 
hopefully we could meet up. Thanks Calum.

Sent from my iPhone

On 2 Apr 2017, at 09:01, 'Robert Craig' via Quantum Owners Group 
> wrote:

Calum, where in Scotland are you. I am in Paisley and have an early model (063) 
with standard XR2 front springs and 1100 rears on fitted around 3000 miles ago 
so still fresh. My car may be slightly heavier at the front with the addition 
of the turbo and intercooler stuff but it will give you a good guide. There are 
actually quite a few quantums in Scotland, at least 10 at the last count and 
probably some more that don't use either The Scottish Kit Car Club or QOC.

Bob

Sent from my iPad

On 1 Apr 2017, at 22:20, calum mcpherson 
> wrote:

Think I will need another plan, removing all to measure (while a pain) may be 
an option, but a run to Stoneleigh from Scotland to measure wheel gap, probably 
not. Back to the drawing board.

Calum

On Saturday, 1 April 2017 21:45:50 UTC+1, Jim Hearne wrote:
All the Quantum ones were red as far as i know.
If they are black original Ford ones they will have 2 or 3 coloured bands about 
1cm wide painted round a turn of the coil.

You only real way of finding out is to take the springs off the car and measure 
them.
Or wait until Stoneleigh and measure the ride height of some of the other 2+2's 
there with known suspension setups.

Jim


On 01/04/2017 19:25, calum mcpherson wrote:

Springs are black, not Red and I can see no markings on them.

As said previously rear springs are sitting at 250mm approx. with car sitting 
on ground, so at a guess might be about 307mm (std rear 1100cc length) when not 
under load.

So the spacer on Rear shock (about 50-60mm) can be removed and std.1100cc 
springs fitted , which I would assume would give a drop, assuming existing 
springs are indeed the extended 'Quantum' one's, but would this give drop if 
rears are not ,and how much would you think?

By fitting XR2 springs to front (assuming not XR2 at present) would give at max 
about 30mm(depending on manufacturer),which would be fine.

Sorry to be a pain on this, but don't want to spend money and not get the 
results I want, thanks again.


Calum.







From: quantu...@googlegroups.com 
 on behalf of Jim Hearne 

Sent: 01 April 2017 18:38:56
To: quantu...@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] Re: Lowering springs for my 2+2.

The long springs for the rear of the early 2+2's are longer still than 1100 
springs.
They were made specially for Quantum.

On the later 2+2's they corrected the spring and shock mountings and standard 
1100 springs are used.
The main reason for using the 1100 springs on the rear was that the rear of the 
2+2 is much lighter than the rear of a Fiesta and the 1100 springs were softest.

The front springs were recommend to be Quantum spec as well, i believe these 
were uprated springs but with a non XR2 length.

What colour are the springs on your 2+2 ?
If red they are probably Quantum springs.

In my opinion your next stage is to fit standard XR2 springs on the front and 
standard 1100 springs on the rear and remove the spacer from the top of the 
rear shocks.

Jim





On 01/04/2017 17:52, calum mcpherson wrote:
Ok, 32 replies and tbh, still not clear on  options, from what I've heard from 
replies I have established the following (I think) which is a great help

As it has been confirmed (by Jim Hearne) my car appears to be an early model 
2+2 and as such needs the longer rear springs (recommended by several to get 
1100 springs) and front springs can be XR2 or 1.4 model springs.

So, are std. 1100 rear springs indeed the 'longer' springs as required or do I 
need extra long 1100 springs ? (on checking spring sizes I see std. 1100 
springs are approx. 307mm long)

Front springs seem fairly simple and got my head round them, however the whole 
idea of my enquiry was to improve the 60mm rear and 70mm front wheel arch gap. 
My springs at present all work fine, and as I never fitted them and have no 
history on them I don't really know what is fitted, so is there actually a 
solution to my problem, I want to reduce wheel gap by about 35mm ?

I appreciate all replies, with pics would be a great help.

Thanks,

Calum.



On Wednesday, 29 March 2017 21:52:01 UTC+1, calum mcpherson wrote:
I've recently changed my wheels 15" with 195-50-15 tyres to the correct set up 
14" with 185-55-14, and my 2+2 looks like a Land Rover.
I was going to change springs anyway, but now have brought this job forward as 
not looking as I want.
I understand that the manual states 'Quantum red springs' for front and

Re: [Quantum Owners] Re: Lowering springs for my 2+2.

2017-04-02 Thread 'Robert Craig' via Quantum Owners Group 
Calum, where in Scotland are you. I am in Paisley and have an early model (063) 
with standard XR2 front springs and 1100 rears on fitted around 3000 miles ago 
so still fresh. My car may be slightly heavier at the front with the addition 
of the turbo and intercooler stuff but it will give you a good guide. There are 
actually quite a few quantums in Scotland, at least 10 at the last count and 
probably some more that don't use either The Scottish Kit Car Club or QOC. 

Bob

Sent from my iPad

> On 1 Apr 2017, at 22:20, calum mcpherson  wrote:
> 
> Think I will need another plan, removing all to measure (while a pain) may be 
> an option, but a run to Stoneleigh from Scotland to measure wheel gap, 
> probably not. Back to the drawing board.
> 
> Calum
> 
>> On Saturday, 1 April 2017 21:45:50 UTC+1, Jim Hearne wrote:
>> All the Quantum ones were red as far as i know.
>> If they are black original Ford ones they will have 2 or 3 coloured bands 
>> about 1cm wide painted round a turn of the coil.
>> 
>> You only real way of finding out is to take the springs off the car and 
>> measure them.
>> Or wait until Stoneleigh and measure the ride height of some of the other 
>> 2+2's there with known suspension setups.
>> 
>> Jim
>> 
>> 
>>> On 01/04/2017 19:25, calum mcpherson wrote:
>>> Springs are black, not Red and I can see no markings on them.
>>> 
>>> As said previously rear springs are sitting at 250mm approx. with car 
>>> sitting on ground, so at a guess might be about 307mm (std rear 1100cc 
>>> length) when not under load.
>>> 
>>> So the spacer on Rear shock (about 50-60mm) can be removed and std.1100cc 
>>> springs fitted , which I would assume would give a drop, assuming existing 
>>> springs are indeed the extended 'Quantum' one's, but would this give drop 
>>> if rears are not ,and how much would you think?
>>> 
>>> By fitting XR2 springs to front (assuming not XR2 at present) would give at 
>>> max about 30mm(depending on manufacturer),which would be fine. 
>>> 
>>> Sorry to be a pain on this, but don't want to spend money and not get the 
>>> results I want, thanks again.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Calum.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> From: quantu...@googlegroups.com  on behalf of 
>>> Jim Hearne 
>>> Sent: 01 April 2017 18:38:56
>>> To: quantu...@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] Re: Lowering springs for my 2+2.
>>>  
>>> The long springs for the rear of the early 2+2's are longer still than 1100 
>>> springs.
>>> They were made specially for Quantum.
>>> 
>>> On the later 2+2's they corrected the spring and shock mountings and 
>>> standard 1100 springs are used.
>>> The main reason for using the 1100 springs on the rear was that the rear of 
>>> the 2+2 is much lighter than the rear of a Fiesta and the 1100 springs were 
>>> softest.
>>> 
>>> The front springs were recommend to be Quantum spec as well, i believe 
>>> these were uprated springs but with a non XR2 length.
>>> 
>>> What colour are the springs on your 2+2 ?
>>> If red they are probably Quantum springs.
>>> 
>>> In my opinion your next stage is to fit standard XR2 springs on the front 
>>> and standard 1100 springs on the rear and remove the spacer from the top of 
>>> the rear shocks.
>>> 
>>> Jim
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On 01/04/2017 17:52, calum mcpherson wrote:
 Ok, 32 replies and tbh, still not clear on  options, from what I've heard 
 from replies I have established the following (I think) which is a great 
 help
 
 As it has been confirmed (by Jim Hearne) my car appears to be an early 
 model 2+2 and as such needs the longer rear springs (recommended by 
 several to get 1100 springs) and front springs can be XR2 or 1.4 model 
 springs.
 
 So, are std. 1100 rear springs indeed the 'longer' springs as required or 
 do I need extra long 1100 springs ? (on checking spring sizes I see std. 
 1100 springs are approx. 307mm long)
 
 Front springs seem fairly simple and got my head round them, however the 
 whole idea of my enquiry was to improve the 60mm rear and 70mm front wheel 
 arch gap. My springs at present all work fine, and as I never fitted them 
 and have no history on them I don't really know what is fitted, so is 
 there actually a solution to my problem, I want to reduce wheel gap by 
 about 35mm ?
 
 I appreciate all replies, with pics would be a great help.
 
 Thanks,
 
 Calum.
 
 
 
> On Wednesday, 29 March 2017 21:52:01 UTC+1, calum mcpherson wrote:
> I've recently changed my wheels 15" with 195-50-15 tyres to the correct 
> set up 14" with 185-55-14, and my 2+2 looks like a Land Rover.
> I was going to change springs anyway, but now have brought this job 
> forward as not looking as I want.
> I understand that the manual states 'Quantum red springs' for front and 
> Fiesta