[Quantum Owners] Re: 2+2 Charging - or not!!

['Jamest142' via Quantum Owners Group]

Hi

This is really strange - must be down to the weather...  Q2-002 had the 
same problem, I thought it was the battery, changed it, then a new 
alternator.  I eventually found thanks to Jim senior that there is a wire 
from the battery which goes from the battery negative to just above the 
starter motor - clamped by the bell housing for the clutch - nice thick 
wire, but totally covered in oil and crud.  When I touched the engine end - 
it moved.  I just tightened it up again, and the problem seems to have gone 
away.  I have got a secondary battery earth going to the 'wrong' side of 
the clutch bell housing, but this does not seem to have much effect as it 
has at least 5 joins before it gets to the alternator.

TTFN

James T
Q2-002

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Fwd: [Quantum Owners] 2+2 with Puma interior + engine

[Darren Siepka]

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From: Darren Siepka 
Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2018, 21:11
Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] 2+2 with Puma interior + engine
To: 


I used a rs1800i MK3.5 black dash, complete with the proper MK3.5 heater. I
also used puma white dial clocks.
The wiring for the dash was pretty straightforward the Speedo pickup screws
in to the gearbox just like a cable does.
I will see if I can find the build photos .
This is in a saloon .
Only the outer fixing brackets (near door) needed cutting and  modifying
Steering wise I have a mgf epas power column complete with switch gear and
wheel

On 13 Jul 2018 8:54 pm, "Hans Defauwes"  wrote:

interesting
what kind of daschord did you put in coupe/2+2
Do you have any pictures

Hans

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*Sent:* Friday, July 13, 2018 2:34 PM
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*Subject:* Re: [Quantum Owners] 2+2 with Puma interior + engine

The most work is with the heater box, I had to enlarge the fan opening and
glass in a new box around that area to stop water ingress.

On Fri, 13 Jul 2018, 09:16 Hans Defauwes,  wrote:

> Some time ago a 2+2 with a Puma Interior and engine was sold on e-bay.
>
> Does anybody know the new owner?
>
> I realy like the idea of the puma dash with 2 airbags etc.
> I can get a low milage one for cheap . . .
>
> Hans
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Re: [Quantum Owners] 2+2 with Puma interior + engine

[Hans Defauwes]

interesting
what kind of daschord did you put in coupe/2+2
Do you have any pictures

Hans

From: Darren Siepka 
Sent: Friday, July 13, 2018 2:34 PM
To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] 2+2 with Puma interior + engine

The most work is with the heater box, I had to enlarge the fan opening and 
glass in a new box around that area to stop water ingress.

On Fri, 13 Jul 2018, 09:16 Hans Defauwes,  wrote:

  Some time ago a 2+2 with a Puma Interior and engine was sold on e-bay.

  Does anybody know the new owner?

  I realy like the idea of the puma dash with 2 airbags etc.
  I can get a low milage one for cheap . . .

  Hans

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Re: [Quantum Owners] 2+2 with Puma interior + engine

[Hans Defauwes]

In the last picture I spotted the original XR2 clocks in the new dashbord

good Idea, it saves a lot of work/redesining electronics

Hans

From: chris.quant via Quantum Owners Group 
Sent: Friday, July 13, 2018 1:27 PM
To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] 2+2 with Puma interior + engine

I have a MK 4 Fiesta waiting to give up its dash for my saloon.
I’ve measured and it does fit if you cut off the side flanges.
I think there is an issue with the depth of the dash, it might need cutting 
down to fit.
I guess I’ll find out.
Attached are some photos I’ve collected over the years in preparation for 
this.

Chris G

From: Jim Hearne 
Sent: Friday, July 13, 2018 9:21 AM
To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] 2+2 with Puma interior + engine

In the UK you can’t pass the IVA test with air bags fitted to a kit car.
I think it’s something to do with possible injury if they aren’t mounted in the 
same way as the original car.

Quantum always used to say that the Mk3/4 Fiesta and Puma dash was too wide to 
fit in a 2+2 but i know it’s been done.
I think the flanges would have to be cut off the sides of the dash.

Jim




From: Hans Defauwes 
Sent: Friday, July 13, 2018 9:16 AM
To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] 2+2 with Puma interior + engine

Some time ago a 2+2 with a Puma Interior and engine was sold on e-bay.

Does anybody know the new owner?

I realy like the idea of the puma dash with 2 airbags etc.
I can get a low milage one for cheap . . .

Hans

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[Quantum Owners] Re: Just for Interest

['Martin Hodnett' via Quantum Owners Group]

Afternoon Steve.

Must admit, I had a job finding it too!  I think I found it by accident.

Link here:  https://www.facebook.com/groups/333690730393209/  

Look under Discussions for a post by Steve Hanley on 10th July.  He has 
added 148 pictures to his post, it was not in the photo gallery as I must 
have said in the first post - I have not got to grips with Facebook (don't 
really want to either).  Pictures 6 and 8 are of Q2-304, the mystery car I 
think is an Xtreme is somewhere in the middle. I lost count!

I had to join the group to look at the pics.  Was that right?

Put the hard roof back on my car this morning fearing heavy thunderstorms 
for now that haven't happened (as I look at blazing sun).  Suppose that's 
what happens on Friday 13th!  Lucky I'm not superstitious, touch wood.

Martin 

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Re: [Quantum Owners] 2+2 with Puma interior + engine

[Darren Siepka]

The most work is with the heater box, I had to enlarge the fan opening and
glass in a new box around that area to stop water ingress.

On Fri, 13 Jul 2018, 09:16 Hans Defauwes,  wrote:

> Some time ago a 2+2 with a Puma Interior and engine was sold on e-bay.
>
> Does anybody know the new owner?
>
> I realy like the idea of the puma dash with 2 airbags etc.
> I can get a low milage one for cheap . . .
>
> Hans
>
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Re: [Quantum Owners] 2+2 with Puma interior + engine

[Jim Hearne]

I think the fun bit will be mating up the MK2 heater box with the Mk4 vents and 
making it work (the temperature control on the Mk4 is done with a solenoid 
valve in the heater hose).
That and the steering column area.

Jim


From: chris.quant via Quantum Owners Group 
Sent: Friday, July 13, 2018 12:27 PM
To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] 2+2 with Puma interior + engine

I have a MK 4 Fiesta waiting to give up its dash for my saloon.
I’ve measured and it does fit if you cut off the side flanges.
I think there is an issue with the depth of the dash, it might need cutting 
down to fit.
I guess I’ll find out.
Attached are some photos I’ve collected over the years in preparation for 
this.

Chris G

From: Jim Hearne 
Sent: Friday, July 13, 2018 9:21 AM
To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] 2+2 with Puma interior + engine

In the UK you can’t pass the IVA test with air bags fitted to a kit car.
I think it’s something to do with possible injury if they aren’t mounted in the 
same way as the original car.

Quantum always used to say that the Mk3/4 Fiesta and Puma dash was too wide to 
fit in a 2+2 but i know it’s been done.
I think the flanges would have to be cut off the sides of the dash.

Jim




From: Hans Defauwes 
Sent: Friday, July 13, 2018 9:16 AM
To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] 2+2 with Puma interior + engine

Some time ago a 2+2 with a Puma Interior and engine was sold on e-bay.

Does anybody know the new owner?

I realy like the idea of the puma dash with 2 airbags etc.
I can get a low milage one for cheap . . .

Hans

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Re: [Quantum Owners] Just for Interest

['Steve Kodź' via Quantum Owners Group]

Martin,

Any change of a link to the Facebook page as a quick search hasn't found it.

Regards,
Steve


On 13/07/18 11:29, 'Martin Hodnett' via Quantum Owners Group wrote:
My partner and I went to the Harte and Magpies in Beaconsfield on 
10/07 to have a look at the British Classic and American Car Club 
event that takes place on second Tuesday of the month during the 
summer.  We rolled up at about 8:00pm and I almost fell out of the car 
laughing at the reaction from the folks standing around the car park: 
"What the...", "Is it coming in here?" etc.  The landlord, great chap, 
greeted us outside of our normal lunchtime context and commented on 
the fact I finally managed to get the car there!  He asked a couple of 
of questions regarding the "British Classic-ness" of the car and let 
us through.


We made our way through the Corvettes, Mustangs, muscle-cars, pre-1963 
Ford Populars, MK1 and 2 escorts, Triumph Vitesses and a load of 
others I can't remember and parked up towards the back of the overflow 
area.  We had a mooch around the members cars and chatted to a few 
people but also noted a steady flow of people wandering over to the 
Quantum. One chap recognised the origins on the car straight away, 
recognising the XR2 interior as he had had one before. An interesting 
conversation.  Photographs were taken and I have just seen them posted 
on a Facebook group called "London Outlaws - We are a group of car and 
bike enthusiasts who meet up and attend car and bike events. We love 
all petrol and diesel vehicles".


I noted in the photo gallery that there was a car that looked like an 
Xtreme but it had gone by the time we got there.  If it was you, sorry 
to have missed you.


It was a pleasant hour spent with some interesting people.


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[Quantum Owners] Just for Interest

['Martin Hodnett' via Quantum Owners Group]

My partner and I went to the Harte and Magpies in Beaconsfield on 10/07 to 
have a look at the British Classic and American Car Club event that takes 
place on second Tuesday of the month during the summer.  We rolled up at 
about 8:00pm and I almost fell out of the car laughing at the reaction from 
the folks standing around the car park: "What the...", "Is it coming in 
here?" etc.  The landlord, great chap, greeted us outside of our normal 
lunchtime context and commented on the fact I finally managed to get the 
car there!  He asked a couple of of questions regarding the "British 
Classic-ness" of the car and let us through.

We made our way through the Corvettes, Mustangs, muscle-cars, pre-1963 Ford 
Populars, MK1 and 2 escorts, Triumph Vitesses and a load of others I can't 
remember and parked up towards the back of the overflow area.  We had a 
mooch around the members cars and chatted to a few people but also noted a 
steady flow of people wandering over to the Quantum. One chap recognised 
the origins on the car straight away, recognising the XR2 interior as he 
had had one before.  An interesting conversation.  Photographs were taken 
and I have just seen them posted on a Facebook group called "London Outlaws 
- We are a group of car and bike enthusiasts who meet up and attend car and 
bike events. We love all petrol and diesel vehicles".

I noted in the photo gallery that there was a car that looked like an 
Xtreme but it had gone by the time we got there.  If it was you, sorry to 
have missed you.

It was a pleasant hour spent with some interesting people. 


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[Quantum Owners] Re: 2+2 Charging - or not!!

['Martin Hodnett' via Quantum Owners Group]

Hi Nigel.

Had a poke around with mine earlier and found 13.8V at the battery with 
engine running. After scratching the detritus from the battery terminal 
posts this showed a healthy 14.6V, so no problem with the alternator.  I 
turned my attention to a small cable coming off the negative post leading 
to the subframe.  Two other earth wires meet it at the point where a bolt 
holds them to the subframe.  One leads to the mounting plate of the coil 
the other goes into the wiring loom heading towards the fuse box.  I 
cleaned them all up and reconnected, turned the car into a mobile darkroom 
and looked for a glow on the charge lamp - couldn't see anything.  Will 
look again tonight after dark.

Incidentally, the previous owner of Q2-340 had put in the wiring loom from 
an XR3 with the intention, I think, of fitting the Zetec engine.  I have a 
host of redundant wires and connectors floating around. One day in my 
retirement I might completely rewire it.

Martin

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Re: [Quantum Owners] 2+2 Charging - or not!!

[bill]

A clip on ammeter is quite useful for this type of problem, from clipping onto 
the battery cable down to individual wires on any circuit, checking for charge 
or discharge and for checking whether battery is discharging when ignition is 
off

Sent from my iPhone

> On 13 Jul 2018, at 09:18, Jim Hearne  wrote:
> 
> I did reply to this thread but the message seems to have not appeared.
> Probably i forgot to press send.
> 
> Basically you need to check the battery voltage with the engine running.
> The W terminal is a pulse output, normally only used on a diesel with a rev 
> counter.
> 
> Jim
> 
> 
> -Original Message- From: Nigel Plant
> Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2018 8:08 PM
> To: Quantum Owners Group
> Subject: [Quantum Owners] 2+2 Charging - or not!!
> 
> Went out to the 2+2 and had a flat battery. Seemingly no ignition light on so 
> charged battery and tried again. Soon was flat again. Checked the light more 
> carefully and it was glowing slightly increasing in intensity if I put 
> headlights on. I had missed this as it was nigh on impossible to see in this 
> good weather. Put a new alternator on as previously had fitted my Xtreme 
> spare. No difference.
> 
> After scratching my head I assume an earthing problem somewhere or high 
> resistance in wire to charging light. So here's my question. Is there s 
> favourite place to start looking on the 2+2?
> 
> Also I am used to only two wires on the alternator the battery wires and the 
> ignition light (blue). This car had a third connection onto the W terminal 
> which I thought was a pulse signal. I couldn't figure what this was for so 
> didn't connect it on the new alternator and can't spot anything wrong, apart 
> from not charging Any suggestions welcome.
> 
> Thanks
> Nigel
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Re: [Quantum Owners] 2+2 with Puma interior + engine

[Hans Defauwes]

Until Brexit I can combine EU and UK law’s in The Neterlands  

Gives the QSC a more modern look to . .  certainly after respraying the car 

From: Jim Hearne 
Sent: Friday, July 13, 2018 10:21 AM
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Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] 2+2 with Puma interior + engine

In the UK you can’t pass the IVA test with air bags fitted to a kit car.
I think it’s something to do with possible injury if they aren’t mounted in the 
same way as the original car.

Quantum always used to say that the Mk3/4 Fiesta and Puma dash was too wide to 
fit in a 2+2 but i know it’s been done.
I think the flanges would have to be cut off the sides of the dash.

Jim




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Sent: Friday, July 13, 2018 9:16 AM
To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] 2+2 with Puma interior + engine

Some time ago a 2+2 with a Puma Interior and engine was sold on e-bay.

Does anybody know the new owner?

I realy like the idea of the puma dash with 2 airbags etc.
I can get a low milage one for cheap . . .

Hans

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Re: [Quantum Owners] 2+2 with Puma interior + engine

[Jim Hearne]

In the UK you can’t pass the IVA test with air bags fitted to a kit car.
I think it’s something to do with possible injury if they aren’t mounted in the 
same way as the original car.

Quantum always used to say that the Mk3/4 Fiesta and Puma dash was too wide to 
fit in a 2+2 but i know it’s been done.
I think the flanges would have to be cut off the sides of the dash.

Jim




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Sent: Friday, July 13, 2018 9:16 AM
To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] 2+2 with Puma interior + engine

Some time ago a 2+2 with a Puma Interior and engine was sold on e-bay.

Does anybody know the new owner?

I realy like the idea of the puma dash with 2 airbags etc.
I can get a low milage one for cheap . . .

Hans

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Re: [Quantum Owners] 2+2 Charging - or not!!

[Jim Hearne]

I did reply to this thread but the message seems to have not appeared.
Probably i forgot to press send.

Basically you need to check the battery voltage with the engine running.
The W terminal is a pulse output, normally only used on a diesel with a rev 
counter.


Jim


-Original Message- 
From: Nigel Plant

Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2018 8:08 PM
To: Quantum Owners Group
Subject: [Quantum Owners] 2+2 Charging - or not!!

Went out to the 2+2 and had a flat battery. Seemingly no ignition light on 
so charged battery and tried again. Soon was flat again. Checked the light 
more carefully and it was glowing slightly increasing in intensity if I put 
headlights on. I had missed this as it was nigh on impossible to see in this 
good weather. Put a new alternator on as previously had fitted my Xtreme 
spare. No difference.


After scratching my head I assume an earthing problem somewhere or high 
resistance in wire to charging light. So here's my question. Is there s 
favourite place to start looking on the 2+2?


Also I am used to only two wires on the alternator the battery wires and the 
ignition light (blue). This car had a third connection onto the W terminal 
which I thought was a pulse signal. I couldn't figure what this was for so 
didn't connect it on the new alternator and can't spot anything wrong, apart 
from not charging Any suggestions welcome.


Thanks
Nigel

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Re: [Quantum Owners] 2+2 with Puma interior + engine

[Hans Defauwes]

Some time ago a 2+2 with a Puma Interior and engine was sold on e-bay.

Does anybody know the new owner?

I realy like the idea of the puma dash with 2 airbags etc.
I can get a low milage one for cheap . . .

Hans

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Re: [Quantum Owners] Re: 2+2 Charging - or not!!

['Steve Kodź' via Quantum Owners Group]

Check the wires between the alternator and the starter motor. These are 
known to degrade or get chaffed.



On 12/07/18 22:34, Nigel Plant wrote:
Thanks. Did consult Haynes book of tricks. Yours is pretty much what 
mine is now. My multimeter is coming out too,  should have checked 
before getting new alternator. Never mind as its the same as the 
Xtreme I have a spare. Ill be searching tomorrow too, did clean up 
main battery earth tonight but no improvement. Havent quite got all 
the logic/ symptoms straight in my head yet as a couple of times it 
cranked slowly, then on next attempt was fast, indicating a bad 
connection.


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> wrote:


Hi Nigel.  Mine is doing the same, only noticed it in the darker
evening and more pronounced with the headlights on.  Tomorrow I am
going to check the output voltage which I believe should be
14.1V.  Mine has three wires in the plug, one red wire goes to the
battery, the other to the ignition switch.  According to the
Haynes book of amazing facts, the two reds come together at a
fusible link which then goes to the solenoid and on to the
battery. At that first joint, it also branches to the ignition
switch.  Blue goes to the charge light.

Will let you know what I find if it helps.

Martin

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Re: [Quantum Owners] Re: 2+2 Charging - or not!!

[Nigel Plant]

Thanks. Did consult Haynes book of tricks. Yours is pretty much what mine
is now. My multimeter is coming out too,  should have checked before
getting new alternator. Never mind as its the same as the Xtreme I have a
spare. Ill be searching tomorrow too, did clean up main battery earth
tonight but no improvement. Havent quite got all the logic/ symptoms
straight in my head yet as a couple of times it cranked slowly, then on
next attempt was fast, indicating a bad connection.

On Thu, 12 Jul 2018, 22:20 'Martin Hodnett' via Quantum Owners Group, <
quantumowners@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Hi Nigel.  Mine is doing the same, only noticed it in the darker evening
> and more pronounced with the headlights on.  Tomorrow I am going to check
> the output voltage which I believe should be 14.1V.  Mine has three wires
> in the plug, one red wire goes to the battery, the other to the ignition
> switch.  According to the Haynes book of amazing facts, the two reds come
> together at a fusible link which then goes to the solenoid and on to the
> battery. At that first joint, it also branches to the ignition switch.
> Blue goes to the charge light.
>
> Will let you know what I find if it helps.
>
> Martin
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