Re: [Quantum Owners] RIP H4

2019-08-07 Thread bill 
It’s been two weeks since the accident and we’ve had an offer for the car, I’ll 
be keeping the salvage so if anyone is interested in car or any parts feel free 
to drop me a line, could be a couple of weeks before I can release things.
Bill

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> On 23 Jul 2019, at 22:11, Susan and Martin Scott 
>  wrote:
> 
> Oh no! Glad there doesn't appear to be major injury, but maybe get the necks 
> looked at? Whiplast seems to be the 'go to' injury amonst those seeking 
> compo, which unfortunately puts a bad vibe on the genuine claimants. My 
> sister slipped and fell a few years ago and had severe whiplast pain for a 
> couple of years - sorted eventually by acupuncture!
> Re the car - nothing that Jim couldn't sort out!
> Martin
> 
> - Original Message - From: "bill" 
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> Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2019 6:31 PM
> Subject: [Quantum Owners] RIP H4
> 
> 
> 
> We thought we’d have a drive out to the coast today with the weather being so 
> nice, anyway, we were just a few hundred yards from our destination when 
> woman behind us decided to put the pedal to the floor, I heard the high revs 
> of her fiesta and just had time to look in the mirror to see her inches away 
> before the sickening crash of the impact.We were only at a fast walking pace 
> when she hit, the force of the crash sent us into the back of a RAV4 which 
> didn’t look too bad but apparently has some damage. My H4 will be a write 
> off, the back end is smashed and the body has a good split from the rear 
> window, down the wheel arch, under the car along the floor, to the other 
> side, the front too is badly smashed with the bonnet pushed up and the bumper 
> pushed down.
> Luckily everyone has walked away in one piece but we’ve a bit of neck pain 
> already.
> I’ll have to contact insurance company tomorrow to see what happens next.
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Re: [Quantum Owners] RIP H4

2019-07-24 Thread chris.quant via Quantum Owners Group 
Get someone who knows the car to look at it, not just a grease monkey.

I bet Rob would collect it from you

If it is repairable, but the insurance want to write it off (’cos they are a 
tight bunch), then buy it off them for “spares” and get Rob to fix it.

Once repaired it would only need an engineers report to get it back on the road.

Chris G

From: bill 
Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2019 8:37 PM
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Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] RIP H4

The pictures don’t show the damage to anywhere near it’s true extent, when you 
see it in the flesh though it looks pretty grim, I’d agree it would be 
repairable but it’s whether the insurance companies would allow it to be done 
Bill 


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On 23 Jul 2019, at 19:52, rob hancock <mailto:robmirach@gmailcom> wrote:


  Hi 
  Doesnt look so bad!
  All looks repairable to me. Assuming wheels all point in the right directions 
and nothing bent underneath. 
  Regards rob

  On Tue, 23 Jul 2019, 19:39 bill, <mailto:bill_green_2...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:

Just a few pictures took just after incident 

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Re: [Quantum Owners] RIP H4

2019-07-24 Thread bill 
Thanks Jim, I was very surprised at the amount of damage, others I’ve seen seem 
to have come off must less damaged. I have got the car back at my home address 
it’s now sat on the drive looking very sad, but at least it’s under my control
The insurance companies are involved now so we’ll have to see what they decide.
Bill

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On 24 Jul 2019, at 08:59, Jim Hearne 
mailto:j...@quantums.info>> wrote:

Hi Bill,
Very sorry to hear about the car.

The body on the H4 isn’t structural like it is on the Saloon and H4 and as a 
result it’s a lot thinner.
Having reverse engineered (taken the body and chassis apart) a H4 recently, i 
was surprised at how few places the body is fixed to the chassis, and the 
chassis doesn’t extended past the rear suspension beam and shock mounts.
So I’m not surprised the rear crumpled like that.
But, as others have said, it is repairable.

Since it was a 3rd party accident it won’t matter if the 3rd party insurance 
company write it off.
They shouldn’t ask for the car, they will just pay out the market value and you 
can decide if you want to repair it or not.

Even if the claim goes through your insurance first they will normally offer 
you the salvage for a scrap value.

One thing though, if you do want to consider repairing it (or even selling it 
as is) then get the car back straight away, i assume it’s been recovered to a 
storage depot at the moment.
You should be able to reclaim the cost of the recovery back to your house from 
the 3rd party insurance company, i have done in the past.
Once the car disappears into the insurance company storage system it will be 
much harder to get back, and extra or water damage is likely to occur.

That’s from past personal experience anyway.

Jim



From: bill
Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2019 8:37 PM
To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] RIP H4

The pictures don’t show the damage to anywhere near it’s true extent, when you 
see it in the flesh though it looks pretty grim, I’d agree it would be 
repairable but it’s whether the insurance companies would allow it to be done
Bill

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On 23 Jul 2019, at 19:52, rob hancock  wrote:

Hi
Doesnt look so bad!
All looks repairable to me. Assuming wheels all point in the right directions 
and nothing bent underneath.
Regards rob

On Tue, 23 Jul 2019, 19:39 bill,  wrote:
Just a few pictures took just after incident

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Re: [Quantum Owners] RIP H4

2019-07-24 Thread rob hancock 
Very sound advice jim

On Wed, 24 Jul 2019, 08:59 Jim Hearne,  wrote:

> Hi Bill,
> Very sorry to hear about the car.
>
> The body on the H4 isn’t structural like it is on the Saloon and H4 and as
> a result it’s a lot thinner.
> Having reverse engineered (taken the body and chassis apart) a H4
> recently, i was surprised at how few places the body is fixed to the
> chassis, and the chassis doesn’t extended past the rear suspension beam and
> shock mounts.
> So I’m not surprised the rear crumpled like that.
> But, as others have said, it is repairable.
>
> Since it was a 3rd party accident it won’t matter if the 3rd party
> insurance company write it off.
> They shouldn’t ask for the car, they will just pay out the market value
> and you can decide if you want to repair it or not.
>
> Even if the claim goes through your insurance first they will normally
> offer you the salvage for a scrap value.
>
> One thing though, if you do want to consider repairing it (or even selling
> it as is) then get the car back straight away, i assume it’s been recovered
> to a storage depot at the moment.
> You should be able to reclaim the cost of the recovery back to your house
> from the 3rd party insurance company, i have done in the past.
> Once the car disappears into the insurance company storage system it will
> be much harder to get back, and extra or water damage is likely to occur.
>
> That’s from past personal experience anyway.
>
> Jim
>
>
>
> *From:* bill
> *Sent:* Tuesday, July 23, 2019 8:37 PM
> *To:* quantumowners@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: [Quantum Owners] RIP H4
>
> The pictures don’t show the damage to anywhere near it’s true extent, when
> you see it in the flesh though it looks pretty grim, I’d agree it would be
> repairable but it’s whether the insurance companies would allow it to be
> done
> Bill
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On 23 Jul 2019, at 19:52, rob hancock  wrote:
>
> Hi
> Doesnt look so bad!
> All looks repairable to me. Assuming wheels all point in the right
> directions and nothing bent underneath.
> Regards rob
>
> On Tue, 23 Jul 2019, 19:39 bill,  wrote:
>
>> Just a few pictures took just after incident
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Re: [Quantum Owners] RIP H4

2019-07-24 Thread Jim Hearne 
Hi Bill, 
Very sorry to hear about the car.

The body on the H4 isn’t structural like it is on the Saloon and H4 and as a 
result it’s a lot thinner.
Having reverse engineered (taken the body and chassis apart) a H4 recently, i 
was surprised at how few places the body is fixed to the chassis, and the 
chassis doesn’t extended past the rear suspension beam and shock mounts.
So I’m not surprised the rear crumpled like that.
But, as others have said, it is repairable.

Since it was a 3rd party accident it won’t matter if the 3rd party insurance 
company write it off.
They shouldn’t ask for the car, they will just pay out the market value and you 
can decide if you want to repair it or not.

Even if the claim goes through your insurance first they will normally offer 
you the salvage for a scrap value.

One thing though, if you do want to consider repairing it (or even selling it 
as is) then get the car back straight away, i assume it’s been recovered to a 
storage depot at the moment.
You should be able to reclaim the cost of the recovery back to your house from 
the 3rd party insurance company, i have done in the past.
Once the car disappears into the insurance company storage system it will be 
much harder to get back, and extra or water damage is likely to occur.

That’s from past personal experience anyway.

Jim



From: bill 
Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2019 8:37 PM
To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] RIP H4

The pictures don’t show the damage to anywhere near it’s true extent, when you 
see it in the flesh though it looks pretty grim, I’d agree it would be 
repairable but it’s whether the insurance companies would allow it to be done 
Bill 


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On 23 Jul 2019, at 19:52, rob hancock  wrote:


  Hi 
  Doesnt look so bad!
  All looks repairable to me. Assuming wheels all point in the right directions 
and nothing bent underneath. 
  Regards rob

  On Tue, 23 Jul 2019, 19:39 bill,  wrote:

Just a few pictures took just after incident 

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Re: [Quantum Owners] RIP H4

2019-07-23 Thread rob hancock 
Where are you bill. ?

On Tue, 23 Jul 2019, 22:08 bill,  wrote:

> Thanks for the good wishes everyone, I’ve been out looking around at the
> damage, both headlights have fell out with the surrounds being ripped off
> with their tie bar, the front fibreglass cross brace is broken along with
> the radiator surrounds
> I’m not sure whether the fuel tank has been pushed forward but the filler
> cap/pipe isn’t sat square anymore, the car needs a very careful looking
> over, as usual it will be the lesser looking parts that push the bill
> beyond economic repair
> Bill
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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> > On 23 Jul 2019, at 19:48, 'Steve Kodź' via Quantum Owners Group <
> quantumowners@googlegroups.com> wrote:
> >
> > Bill,
> > Sorry to hear about the accident, but at least everyone has minimal
> personal injury.
> >
> > As Rob has said, the H4 can take substantial impacts and be repaired.
> The front doesn't look too bad and hopefully the chassis isn't damaged.
> The rear has quite a distance before the chassis, so even though the fibre
> glass has cracked Rob is more than capable of repairing that. Remember this
> in mind if you want to keep the car and don't let the insurance company
> write the car off without a fight.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Steve
> >
> >> On 23 July 2019 18:53:45 bill  wrote:
> >>
> >> We thought we’d have a drive out to the coast today with the weather
> being so nice, anyway, we were just a few hundred yards from our
> destination when woman behind us decided to put the pedal to the floor, I
> heard the high revs of her fiesta and just had time to look in the mirror
> to see her inches away before the sickening crash of the impact.We were
> only at a fast walking pace when she hit, the force of the crash sent us
> into the back of a RAV4 which didn’t look too bad but apparently has some
> damage. My H4 will be a write off, the back end is smashed and the body has
> a good split from the rear window, down the wheel arch, under the car along
> the floor, to the other side, the front too is badly smashed with the
> bonnet pushed up and the bumper pushed down.
> >> Luckily everyone has walked away in one piece but we’ve a bit of neck
> pain already.
> >> I’ll have to contact insurance company tomorrow to see what happens
> next.
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Re: [Quantum Owners] RIP H4

2019-07-23 Thread Susan and Martin Scott 
Oh no! Glad there doesn't appear to be major injury, but maybe get the necks 
looked at? Whiplast seems to be the 'go to' injury amonst those seeking 
compo, which unfortunately puts a bad vibe on the genuine claimants. My 
sister slipped and fell a few years ago and had severe whiplast pain for a 
couple of years - sorted eventually by acupuncture!

Re the car - nothing that Jim couldn't sort out!
Martin

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Subject: [Quantum Owners] RIP H4



We thought we’d have a drive out to the coast today with the weather being 
so nice, anyway, we were just a few hundred yards from our destination when 
woman behind us decided to put the pedal to the floor, I heard the high revs 
of her fiesta and just had time to look in the mirror to see her inches away 
before the sickening crash of the impact.We were only at a fast walking pace 
when she hit, the force of the crash sent us into the back of a RAV4 which 
didn’t look too bad but apparently has some damage. My H4 will be a write 
off, the back end is smashed and the body has a good split from the rear 
window, down the wheel arch, under the car along the floor, to the other 
side, the front too is badly smashed with the bonnet pushed up and the 
bumper pushed down.
Luckily everyone has walked away in one piece but we’ve a bit of neck pain 
already.

I’ll have to contact insurance company tomorrow to see what happens next.
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Re: [Quantum Owners] RIP H4

2019-07-23 Thread bill 
The pictures don’t show the damage to anywhere near it’s true extent, when you 
see it in the flesh though it looks pretty grim, I’d agree it would be 
repairable but it’s whether the insurance companies would allow it to be done
Bill

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Hi
Doesnt look so bad!
All looks repairable to me. Assuming wheels all point in the right directions 
and nothing bent underneath.
Regards rob

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Just a few pictures took just after incident

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Re: [Quantum Owners] RIP H4

2019-07-23 Thread bill 
Thanks for the good wishes everyone, I’ve been out looking around at the 
damage, both headlights have fell out with the surrounds being ripped off with 
their tie bar, the front fibreglass cross brace is broken along with the 
radiator surrounds
I’m not sure whether the fuel tank has been pushed forward but the filler 
cap/pipe isn’t sat square anymore, the car needs a very careful looking over, 
as usual it will be the lesser looking parts that push the bill beyond economic 
repair
Bill

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> Bill,
> Sorry to hear about the accident, but at least everyone has minimal personal 
> injury.
> 
> As Rob has said, the H4 can take substantial impacts and be repaired. The 
> front doesn't look too bad and hopefully the chassis isn't damaged.  The rear 
> has quite a distance before the chassis, so even though the fibre glass has 
> cracked Rob is more than capable of repairing that. Remember this in mind if 
> you want to keep the car and don't let the insurance company write the car 
> off without a fight.
> 
> Regards,
> Steve
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>> We thought we’d have a drive out to the coast today with the weather being 
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>> woman behind us decided to put the pedal to the floor, I heard the high revs 
>> of her fiesta and just had time to look in the mirror to see her inches away 
>> before the sickening crash of the impact.We were only at a fast walking pace 
>> when she hit, the force of the crash sent us into the back of a RAV4 which 
>> didn’t look too bad but apparently has some damage. My H4 will be a write 
>> off, the back end is smashed and the body has a good split from the rear 
>> window, down the wheel arch, under the car along the floor, to the other 
>> side, the front too is badly smashed with the bonnet pushed up and the 
>> bumper pushed down.
>> Luckily everyone has walked away in one piece but we’ve a bit of neck pain 
>> already.
>> I’ll have to contact insurance company tomorrow to see what happens next.
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Re: [Quantum Owners] RIP H4

2019-07-23 Thread Ian Harrison 
Youch! Glad you’re ok. If you’re suffering neck pain then best get to the
doctors tomorrow and get checked out.

Ian

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> Maybe not RIP? Could need Rob's operating table though!
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Re: [Quantum Owners] RIP H4

2019-07-23 Thread Susan and Martin Scott 

Maybe not RIP? Could need Rob's operating table though!
Martin
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Re: [Quantum Owners] RIP H4

2019-07-23 Thread rob hancock 
Hi
Doesnt look so bad!
All looks repairable to me. Assuming wheels all point in the right
directions and nothing bent underneath.
Regards rob

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Re: [Quantum Owners] RIP H4

2019-07-23 Thread 'Steve Kodź' via Quantum Owners Group 

Bill,
Sorry to hear about the accident, but at least everyone has minimal 
personal injury.


As Rob has said, the H4 can take substantial impacts and be repaired. The 
front doesn't look too bad and hopefully the chassis isn't damaged.  The 
rear has quite a distance before the chassis, so even though the fibre 
glass has cracked Rob is more than capable of repairing that. Remember this 
in mind if you want to keep the car and don't let the insurance company 
write the car off without a fight.


Regards,
Steve

On 23 July 2019 18:53:45 bill  wrote:

We thought we’d have a drive out to the coast today with the weather being 
so nice, anyway, we were just a few hundred yards from our destination when 
woman behind us decided to put the pedal to the floor, I heard the high 
revs of her fiesta and just had time to look in the mirror to see her 
inches away before the sickening crash of the impact.We were only at a fast 
walking pace when she hit, the force of the crash sent us into the back of 
a RAV4 which didn’t look too bad but apparently has some damage. My H4 will 
be a write off, the back end is smashed and the body has a good split from 
the rear window, down the wheel arch, under the car along the floor, to the 
other side, the front too is badly smashed with the bonnet pushed up and 
the bumper pushed down.
Luckily everyone has walked away in one piece but we’ve a bit of neck pain 
already.

I’ll have to contact insurance company tomorrow to see what happens next.
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Re: [Quantum Owners] RIP H4

2019-07-23 Thread Derek Clews 
Hi Bill, 

So sorry to hear what has happened.Glad you were OK and best wishes for full 
recovery. 

I too was out in a kit car today to enjoy the weather. (this time my Blackjack 
Avion 3 wheeler - no windscreen or roof)  It could happen to any of us, any 
day.   

On the plus side sounds like the car did it’s job and took the punishment for 
you.  Lots of choices ahead?  Good luck with the insurance folk.  I recently 
discovered they are not all bad.  Some quite helpful.  

ATB

Derek


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> We thought we’d have a drive out to the coast today with the weather being so 
> nice, anyway, we were just a few hundred yards from our destination when 
> woman behind us decided to put the pedal to the floor, I heard the high revs 
> of her fiesta and just had time to look in the mirror to see her inches away 
> before the sickening crash of the impact.We were only at a fast walking pace 
> when she hit, the force of the crash sent us into the back of a RAV4 which 
> didn’t look too bad but apparently has some damage. My H4 will be a write 
> off, the back end is smashed and the body has a good split from the rear 
> window, down the wheel arch, under the car along the floor, to the other 
> side, the front too is badly smashed with the bonnet pushed up and the bumper 
> pushed down.
> Luckily everyone has walked away in one piece but we’ve a bit of neck pain 
> already.
> I’ll have to contact insurance company tomorrow to see what happens next.
> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: [Quantum Owners] RIP H4

2019-07-23 Thread rob hancock 
Hi Bill
Sorry to hear this, glad no one seriously injured, could have been much
worse!!  With regards to the car ,if the chassis is not bent then the grp
will be repairable.  Repair sections are available as are front and rear
bumpers, bonnet and boot.  Please email me at QSC. Or message via facebook
page if i can help out with valuation of the car for insurance etc.
Regards rob(QSC)

On Tue, 23 Jul 2019, 18:53 bill,  wrote:

>
> We thought we’d have a drive out to the coast today with the weather being
> so nice, anyway, we were just a few hundred yards from our destination when
> woman behind us decided to put the pedal to the floor, I heard the high
> revs of her fiesta and just had time to look in the mirror to see her
> inches away before the sickening crash of the impact.We were only at a fast
> walking pace when she hit, the force of the crash sent us into the back of
> a RAV4 which didn’t look too bad but apparently has some damage. My H4 will
> be a write off, the back end is smashed and the body has a good split from
> the rear window, down the wheel arch, under the car along the floor, to the
> other side, the front too is badly smashed with the bonnet pushed up and
> the bumper pushed down.
> Luckily everyone has walked away in one piece but we’ve a bit of neck pain
> already.
> I’ll have to contact insurance company tomorrow to see what happens next.
> Sent from my iPhone
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[Quantum Owners] RIP H4

2019-07-23 Thread bill 


We thought we’d have a drive out to the coast today with the weather being so 
nice, anyway, we were just a few hundred yards from our destination when woman 
behind us decided to put the pedal to the floor, I heard the high revs of her 
fiesta and just had time to look in the mirror to see her inches away before 
the sickening crash of the impact.We were only at a fast walking pace when she 
hit, the force of the crash sent us into the back of a RAV4 which didn’t look 
too bad but apparently has some damage. My H4 will be a write off, the back end 
is smashed and the body has a good split from the rear window, down the wheel 
arch, under the car along the floor, to the other side, the front too is badly 
smashed with the bonnet pushed up and the bumper pushed down.
Luckily everyone has walked away in one piece but we’ve a bit of neck pain 
already.
I’ll have to contact insurance company tomorrow to see what happens next.
Sent from my iPhone

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