Re: [Quantum Owners] Re: 2+2 Clutch adjustment
If you’ve a lot of play and are hearing clicks from the pedal then it’s probably the ratchet is worn and is jumping a few teeth before it catches on some good ones. Putting spacers under the cable doesn’t work as the adjuster just compensates for them. Jim From: Mark Sent: Friday, June 15, 2012 8:48 AM To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com Subject: [Quantum Owners] Re: 2+2 Clutch adjustment I've got the same problem with my clutch as mentioned in the 1st post. Also, when I press the peddle it travells a bit before pulling on the cable. I have so far put some spacers on the cable at the box end. This hasn't made any difference. The adjustment clicks every now & then but doesn't change. I'm having to double press the peddle at times, at others even more so. I've read the previous comments, but don't understand why I've got play in the peddle. Mark 2+2, with a new clutch (from what the seller told me) On Wednesday, May 30, 2012 5:10:31 PM UTC+1, Dave C wrote: They were both black and both the same radius over the outside (around 55mm) but the original had around a 5mm deep groove while the replacement had a deeper groove at maybe 10mm. On May 30, 4:34 pm, Chris G wrote: > Was the replacement one the same colour as the original? I believe there > are 3 colours, each one of a different radius, white being the biggest. > > Chris G > > > > On Sunday, 27 May 2012 20:10:59 UTC+1, Dave C wrote: > > > Don't know if this is of any use to anyone or if anyone would care to > > comment but have had some clutch pedal issues recently with the bite > > point being very low and possibly not fully disengagingwere > > advised to change the auto adjust quadrant and pawl and were given a > > new oneon removing the pedal box, couldn't find anything wrong > > with the old one but changed it anyway but did notice that the cable > > radius in the quadrant was smaller.anyway, fitted the new one and > > tested it without noticing much difference but when out the following > > day, new adjuster failed completely and clutch wouldn't disengage at > > allkept having to fiddle with the adjuster to get it to stay in. > > Decided to investigate a bit more with a view to trying to bodge some > > kind of manual adjustment but on re-fitting the old bits and having a > > look at what was going on decided it was worth trying to change the > > point where the auto adjust operates by filing the tab that knocks out > > the pawl as it looked like it had already been hacked previously. > > Took a couple of mm off the tab and stop which effectivly means the > > pedal comes up a bit higher (now to the same height as the brake > > pedal)net result when re-fitted is that the bite point is now a > > bit higher than it was which was the object of the exercise and gears > > seem to engage better, presumably because the clutch is now fully > > disengaging. > > Does anyone have any commentsis it normal or necessary to modify > > the adjustment point tab- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Quantum Owners Group" group. To post to this group, send email to quantumowners@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to quantumowners-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/quantumowners?hl=en IMPORTANT NOTE: All information presented herewith is provided on an "As Is" basis, without warranty or the implication thereof. Neither the Quantum Owners Club nor the individuals associated with the Quantum Owners Club or in the preparation of the above information shall have any liability to any person or entity with respect to liability, loss, or damage caused or alleged to be caused directly or indirectly by the instructions contained within this or related message(s). -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Quantum Owners Group" group. To post to this group, send email to quantumowners@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to quantumowners-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/quantumowners?hl=en IMPORTANT NOTE: All information presented herewith is provided on an "As Is" basis, without warranty or the implication thereof. Neither the Quantum Owners Club nor the individuals associated with the Quantum Owners Club or in the preparation of the above information shall have any liability to any person or entity with respect to liability, loss, or damage caused or alleged to be caused directly or indirectly by the instructions contained within this or related message(s).
[Quantum Owners] Re: 2+2 Clutch adjustment
I've got the same problem with my clutch as mentioned in the 1st post. Also, when I press the peddle it travells a bit before pulling on the cable. I have so far put some spacers on the cable at the box end. This hasn't made any difference. The adjustment clicks every now & then but doesn't change. I'm having to double press the peddle at times, at others even more so. I've read the previous comments, but don't understand why I've got play in the peddle. Mark 2+2, with a new clutch (from what the seller told me) On Wednesday, May 30, 2012 5:10:31 PM UTC+1, Dave C wrote: > They were both black and both the same radius over the outside (around > 55mm) but the original had around a 5mm deep groove while the > replacement had a deeper groove at maybe 10mm. > > On May 30, 4:34 pm, Chris G wrote: > > Was the replacement one the same colour as the original? I believe there > > are 3 colours, each one of a different radius, white being the biggest. > > > > Chris G > > > > > > > > On Sunday, 27 May 2012 20:10:59 UTC+1, Dave C wrote: > > > > > Don't know if this is of any use to anyone or if anyone would care to > > > comment but have had some clutch pedal issues recently with the bite > > > point being very low and possibly not fully disengagingwere > > > advised to change the auto adjust quadrant and pawl and were given a > > > new oneon removing the pedal box, couldn't find anything wrong > > > with the old one but changed it anyway but did notice that the cable > > > radius in the quadrant was smaller.anyway, fitted the new one and > > > tested it without noticing much difference but when out the following > > > day, new adjuster failed completely and clutch wouldn't disengage at > > > allkept having to fiddle with the adjuster to get it to stay in. > > > Decided to investigate a bit more with a view to trying to bodge some > > > kind of manual adjustment but on re-fitting the old bits and having a > > > look at what was going on decided it was worth trying to change the > > > point where the auto adjust operates by filing the tab that knocks out > > > the pawl as it looked like it had already been hacked previously. > > > Took a couple of mm off the tab and stop which effectivly means the > > > pedal comes up a bit higher (now to the same height as the brake > > > pedal)net result when re-fitted is that the bite point is now a > > > bit higher than it was which was the object of the exercise and gears > > > seem to engage better, presumably because the clutch is now fully > > > disengaging. > > > Does anyone have any commentsis it normal or necessary to modify > > > the adjustment point tab- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Quantum Owners Group" group. To post to this group, send email to quantumowners@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to quantumowners-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/quantumowners?hl=en IMPORTANT NOTE: All information presented herewith is provided on an "As Is" basis, without warranty or the implication thereof. Neither the Quantum Owners Club nor the individuals associated with the Quantum Owners Club or in the preparation of the above information shall have any liability to any person or entity with respect to liability, loss, or damage caused or alleged to be caused directly or indirectly by the instructions contained within this or related message(s).
[Quantum Owners] Re: 2+2 Clutch adjustment
They were both black and both the same radius over the outside (around 55mm) but the original had around a 5mm deep groove while the replacement had a deeper groove at maybe 10mm. On May 30, 4:34 pm, Chris G wrote: > Was the replacement one the same colour as the original? I believe there > are 3 colours, each one of a different radius, white being the biggest. > > Chris G > > > > On Sunday, 27 May 2012 20:10:59 UTC+1, Dave C wrote: > > > Don't know if this is of any use to anyone or if anyone would care to > > comment but have had some clutch pedal issues recently with the bite > > point being very low and possibly not fully disengagingwere > > advised to change the auto adjust quadrant and pawl and were given a > > new oneon removing the pedal box, couldn't find anything wrong > > with the old one but changed it anyway but did notice that the cable > > radius in the quadrant was smaller.anyway, fitted the new one and > > tested it without noticing much difference but when out the following > > day, new adjuster failed completely and clutch wouldn't disengage at > > allkept having to fiddle with the adjuster to get it to stay in. > > Decided to investigate a bit more with a view to trying to bodge some > > kind of manual adjustment but on re-fitting the old bits and having a > > look at what was going on decided it was worth trying to change the > > point where the auto adjust operates by filing the tab that knocks out > > the pawl as it looked like it had already been hacked previously. > > Took a couple of mm off the tab and stop which effectivly means the > > pedal comes up a bit higher (now to the same height as the brake > > pedal)net result when re-fitted is that the bite point is now a > > bit higher than it was which was the object of the exercise and gears > > seem to engage better, presumably because the clutch is now fully > > disengaging. > > Does anyone have any commentsis it normal or necessary to modify > > the adjustment point tab- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Quantum Owners Group" group. To post to this group, send email to quantumowners@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to quantumowners-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/quantumowners?hl=en IMPORTANT NOTE: All information presented herewith is provided on an "As Is" basis, without warranty or the implication thereof. Neither the Quantum Owners Club nor the individuals associated with the Quantum Owners Club or in the preparation of the above information shall have any liability to any person or entity with respect to liability, loss, or damage caused or alleged to be caused directly or indirectly by the instructions contained within this or related message(s).
[Quantum Owners] Re: 2+2 Clutch adjustment
Was the replacement one the same colour as the original? I believe there are 3 colours, each one of a different radius, white being the biggest. Chris G On Sunday, 27 May 2012 20:10:59 UTC+1, Dave C wrote: > > Don't know if this is of any use to anyone or if anyone would care to > comment but have had some clutch pedal issues recently with the bite > point being very low and possibly not fully disengagingwere > advised to change the auto adjust quadrant and pawl and were given a > new oneon removing the pedal box, couldn't find anything wrong > with the old one but changed it anyway but did notice that the cable > radius in the quadrant was smaller.anyway, fitted the new one and > tested it without noticing much difference but when out the following > day, new adjuster failed completely and clutch wouldn't disengage at > allkept having to fiddle with the adjuster to get it to stay in. > Decided to investigate a bit more with a view to trying to bodge some > kind of manual adjustment but on re-fitting the old bits and having a > look at what was going on decided it was worth trying to change the > point where the auto adjust operates by filing the tab that knocks out > the pawl as it looked like it had already been hacked previously. > Took a couple of mm off the tab and stop which effectivly means the > pedal comes up a bit higher (now to the same height as the brake > pedal)net result when re-fitted is that the bite point is now a > bit higher than it was which was the object of the exercise and gears > seem to engage better, presumably because the clutch is now fully > disengaging. > Does anyone have any commentsis it normal or necessary to modify > the adjustment point tab -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Quantum Owners Group" group. To post to this group, send email to quantumowners@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to quantumowners-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/quantumowners?hl=en IMPORTANT NOTE: All information presented herewith is provided on an "As Is" basis, without warranty or the implication thereof. Neither the Quantum Owners Club nor the individuals associated with the Quantum Owners Club or in the preparation of the above information shall have any liability to any person or entity with respect to liability, loss, or damage caused or alleged to be caused directly or indirectly by the instructions contained within this or related message(s).
[Quantum Owners] Re: 2+2 Clutch adjustment
Chris Already had the larger radius quadrant fittedit was the replacement one (now junked in favour of the original) that resulted in complete failurewhilst the larger rad one does make the cable "shorter", more importantly, it gives more travel of the cable for a given pedal movement. End of the day, the bite point is just very lowwhether this is due to a problem with the clutch itself or the pedal box as it's fitted to the Quantum I don't know but I suspect the latter as it seems like a very common problem. I think that the pedal is actually bottoming out on the carpet but I can't really see if it's hitting the floor before it hits the stop on the pedal box but if so then that would certainly explain it (different floor shape in the Quantum to the Fiesta maybe?) Anyway, filing the adjustment point tab on the pedalbox seems to have done the job On May 28, 7:58 am, "Chris Fairlie" wrote: > QSC Stourbridge recommended replacing the MK2 Fiesta quadrant with a MK3 > Escort quadrant because the channel is shallower. Effectively this makes the > cable shorter. > > > > -Original Message- > From: quantumowners@googlegroups.com [mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com] > > On Behalf Of Jim Hearne > Sent: 27 May 2012 20:48 > To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] 2+2 Clutch adjustment > > When you were removing and refitting the cable were you holding the pedal up > against the stop to release the pawl ? > When you refit the cable you need to also hold it against the stop and pull > the quadrant right round to reset it. > > The tab shouldn't need modifiying on a Quantum but some of the build manuals > do mention putting spacing washers behind the pedal box and making sure you > don't have thick carpet and soundproofing behind the clutch pedal as it can > stop the auto adjust working if the pedal hits the bulkhead. > > Jim > > On 27/05/2012 20:10, Dave C wrote: > > Don't know if this is of any use to anyone or if anyone would care to > > comment but have had some clutch pedal issues recently with the bite > > point being very low and possibly not fully disengagingwere > > advised to change the auto adjust quadrant and pawl and were given a > > new oneon removing the pedal box, couldn't find anything wrong > > with the old one but changed it anyway but did notice that the cable > > radius in the quadrant was smaller.anyway, fitted the new one and > > tested it without noticing much difference but when out the following > > day, new adjuster failed completely and clutch wouldn't disengage at > > allkept having to fiddle with the adjuster to get it to stay in. > > Decided to investigate a bit more with a view to trying to bodge some > > kind of manual adjustment but on re-fitting the old bits and having a > > look at what was going on decided it was worth trying to change the > > point where the auto adjust operates by filing the tab that knocks out > > the pawl as it looked like it had already been hacked previously. > > Took a couple of mm off the tab and stop which effectivly means the > > pedal comes up a bit higher (now to the same height as the brake > > pedal)net result when re-fitted is that the bite point is now a > > bit higher than it was which was the object of the exercise and gears > > seem to engage better, presumably because the clutch is now fully > > disengaging. > > Does anyone have any commentsis it normal or necessary to modify > > the adjustment point tab > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Quantum Owners Group" group. > To post to this group, send email to quantumowners@googlegroups.com > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > quantumowners-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > For more options, visit this group > athttp://groups.google.com/group/quantumowners?hl=en > > IMPORTANT NOTE: All information presented herewith is provided on an "As Is" > basis, without warranty or the implication thereof. Neither the Quantum > Owners Club nor the individuals associated with the Quantum Owners Club or > in the preparation of the above information shall have any liability to any > person or entity with respect to liability, loss, or damage caused or > alleged to be caused directly or indirectly by the instructions contained > within this or related message(s).- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Quantum Owners Group" group. To post to this group, send email to quantumowners@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to quantumowners-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/quantumowners?hl=en IMPORTANT NOTE: All information presented herewith is provided on an "As Is" basis, without warranty or the implication thereof. Neither the Quantum Owners Club nor the individuals associated with the Quantum Owners Club or in
[Quantum Owners] Re: 2+2 Clutch adjustment
I've had a similar problem with the clutch on my 2+2 over the years. My current working solution is to modify the auto adjustment quadrant to increase the distance from the pivot to the cable, thus increasing the amount of cable moved when pushing the pedal. This modification consists of 4 countersunk 15mm bolts (about M6 I think) going through the quadrant and refitting the cable over the bolts. As this problem shouldn't exist anyway, I did a little delving into the root cause. The most popular theory is the pressure fingers on the clutch cover softening over time and not releasing the clutch properly. I haven't changed the clutch cover on mine at all, not even on build (in '93), so this makes sense to me. Dave English -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Quantum Owners Group" group. To post to this group, send email to quantumowners@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to quantumowners-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/quantumowners?hl=en IMPORTANT NOTE: All information presented herewith is provided on an "As Is" basis, without warranty or the implication thereof. Neither the Quantum Owners Club nor the individuals associated with the Quantum Owners Club or in the preparation of the above information shall have any liability to any person or entity with respect to liability, loss, or damage caused or alleged to be caused directly or indirectly by the instructions contained within this or related message(s).
