[Quantum Owners] Re: H4 top engine stay/mount and 2L hoses

[russ price]

Jim, No i have not had time to do anything yet, when i do i'll start a 
thread.
Russ

On Sunday, July 21, 2019 at 8:43:11 AM UTC+1, julian wrote:
>
> Hi
>
> The H4 has a stabilising bar from the chassis frame to the top of the 
> engine. It has just given up. I thought I'd just check to see if there was 
> a chance replacements might be available before having this remade.
>
> The bushes are showing their age but not yet scrap. So I'd be interested 
> in replacing the whole lot if that is possible.
>
> A vain hope I suspect, but worth a shot.
>
> Thanks
>
> Incidentally the hoses in my H4 were pretty poor and some bodged. A full 
> correct correct set was no longer available, one of the most complex shapes 
> being essentially custom. I had that one properly sorted so the moulds now 
> exist for it which makes it possible to source a complete set if anyone is 
> interested.
>
>
> Julian Coleman
> City Audio Services
>
>
>

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Re: [Quantum Owners] Re: H4 top engine stay/mount and 2L hoses

[Julian Coleman]

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Re: [Quantum Owners] Re: H4 top engine stay/mount and 2L hoses

['Steve Kodź' via Quantum Owners Group]

The Saloon engine bays are a lot tighter than the H4, so less engine 
movement is definitely needed.  I'd certainly be happy to run an H4 with 
a Zetec just using the 4 standard Ford engine mounting locations.  As 
Jim mentioned, any issues should be resolved rather than just 
restricting the engine movement to mask them.


Regards,
Steve

On 23/07/2019 09:56, russ price wrote:
Yes it is a ST170 so not really a Duratec just badged that way. I 
didn't do the conversion but bought the car recently as a non runner 
due oil pressure warning light on.

Russ

On Sunday, July 21, 2019 at 8:43:11 AM UTC+1, julian wrote:

Hi

The H4 has a stabilising bar from the chassis frame to the top of
the engine. It has just given up. I thought I'd just check to see
if there was a chance replacements might be available before
having this remade.

The bushes are showing their age but not yet scrap. So I'd be
interested in replacing the whole lot if that is possible.

A vain hope I suspect, but worth a shot.

Thanks

Incidentally the hoses in my H4 were pretty poor and some bodged.
A full correct correct set was no longer available, one of the
most complex shapes being essentially custom. I had that one
properly sorted so the moulds now exist for it which makes it
possible to source a complete set if anyone is interested.


Julian Coleman
City Audio Services


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Re: [Quantum Owners] Re: H4 top engine stay/mount and 2L hoses

[Jim Hearne]

I saw that one on Ebay.

Did you find out why the oil light was on ?

Jim


From: russ price 
Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2019 9:56 AM
To: Quantum Owners Group 
Subject: [Quantum Owners] Re: H4 top engine stay/mount and 2L hoses

Yes it is a ST170 so not really a Duratec just badged that way. I didn't do the 
conversion but bought the car recently as a non runner due oil pressure warning 
light on. 

Russ


On Sunday, July 21, 2019 at 8:43:11 AM UTC+1, julian wrote: 
  Hi 

  The H4 has a stabilising bar from the chassis frame to the top of the engine. 
It has just given up. I thought I'd just check to see if there was a chance 
replacements might be available before having this remade.

  The bushes are showing their age but not yet scrap. So I'd be interested in 
replacing the whole lot if that is possible.

  A vain hope I suspect, but worth a shot.

  Thanks

  Incidentally the hoses in my H4 were pretty poor and some bodged. A full 
correct correct set was no longer available, one of the most complex shapes 
being essentially custom. I had that one properly sorted so the moulds now 
exist for it which makes it possible to source a complete set if anyone is 
interested.


  Julian Coleman
  City Audio Services



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[Quantum Owners] Re: H4 top engine stay/mount and 2L hoses

[russ price]

Yes it is a ST170 so not really a Duratec just badged that way. I didn't do 
the conversion but bought the car recently as a non runner due oil pressure 
warning light on. 
Russ

On Sunday, July 21, 2019 at 8:43:11 AM UTC+1, julian wrote:
>
> Hi
>
> The H4 has a stabilising bar from the chassis frame to the top of the 
> engine. It has just given up. I thought I'd just check to see if there was 
> a chance replacements might be available before having this remade.
>
> The bushes are showing their age but not yet scrap. So I'd be interested 
> in replacing the whole lot if that is possible.
>
> A vain hope I suspect, but worth a shot.
>
> Thanks
>
> Incidentally the hoses in my H4 were pretty poor and some bodged. A full 
> correct correct set was no longer available, one of the most complex shapes 
> being essentially custom. I had that one properly sorted so the moulds now 
> exist for it which makes it possible to source a complete set if anyone is 
> interested.
>
>
> Julian Coleman
> City Audio Services
>
>
>

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Re: [Quantum Owners] Re: H4 top engine stay/mount and 2L hoses

[Jim Hearne]

Both my ZVH turbo in the 2+2 (260bhp) and Matthews (now Bob Craig’s) Zetec 
turbo (around 250bhp ?) just have the one CVH top mount and the 2 gearbox 
mountings, admittedly they are aftermarket uprated items.

I have always used the Diesel mountings apart from the cars above, they are 
certainly better.

The CVH top mounting is designed to restrain the engine in all 3 axis, the 
Zetec rear top mount only controls sideways movement i believe and the front 
top mount handles the other 2 axis.

There are certainly combinations of alternator, alternator mounting and belt 
length that can cause issues with the alternator pulley ending up very close to 
things, i had that when i first built the 2+2.
Maybe this strut was fitted to try and stop that rather then sorting out the 
actual cause.

Jim


From: 'Steve Kodź' via Quantum Owners Group 
Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2019 8:59 AM
To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] Re: H4 top engine stay/mount and 2L hoses

Julian,

I've not seen an upper engine mount like yours on a Zetec before.  You 
mentioned that offside you have 2 mounts and I'm assuming these are in the 
locations per Jim's earlier image.  These are the standard locations for engine 
mounts on the Zetec and the H4 chassis came with bolt holes for the front 
mount, which was only used on the Zetec engine.  The CVH engine only uses the 
mount on the offside suspension turret, where the Zetec uses that, plus the 
bolt in mount at the front.

The only other engine mounts are those under the gearbox, connected to the 
cradle.  These are fitted to the front and rear sections of the cradle that 
bend up from the horizontal.

I would expect that if the other engine mounts are in decent condition that 
broken mount would not be needed, unless the engine/crank was unbalanced and 
generated too much vibration.  However I suspect this might have been added as 
a belt and braces approach to prevent the engine torque creating too much 
movement under acceleration.  I suspect that even high power engines, such as 
those in Jim's 2+2 (even though it's a hybrid ZVH) or Bob Craig's Zetec turbo 
could control the torque with good engine mounts in the Ford standard locations.

If changing the gearbox mounts it was always rumoured that the diesel mounts 
were stiffer/stronger.  I'm not sure if that is true, but I did fit these to my 
CVH turbo powered H4 and didn't suffer engine movement issues.


Regards,
Steve


On 22/07/2019 20:41, Julian Coleman wrote:

  Hi 

  I've just checked out the engine bay and there are two mounts on the offside. 
The rear one is pretty hard to see but I can see the support coming up to meet 
a bracket which I assume is bolted to the block. The front one is very easy to 
see and is in very good condition. The gearbox housing has two, one at the very 
front, the other at the rear, both very substantial and well bolted down. I 
know the rubbers are good because I had them checked - there is an optical 
illusion in the H4 which makes it look as though the engine is not level as 
though it had sunk at the gearbox end. It was checked, and it is level with no 
sign of softness in the mounts.

  However someone has felt it necessary at some time to tie the engine down 
tighter and the work looks good aside from the misalignment. 

  Given all the mounts are present and apparently correct, I assume it's 
perfectly safe to remove the offending item and see how it all behaves. If it 
jerks, I can rebuild the strut and remove the offset.  I wonder though if a 
shock absorber there might be more useful, but that would not stop the kind of 
movement that might stress the exhaust for example.

  Thanks for the help so far, further advice appreciated.

  Regards

  Julian Coleman
  City Audio Services




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    Subject:
    Re: [Quantum Owners] Re: H4 top engine stay/mount and 2L hoses


100% Not a Ford part and i'm pretty sure it wasn't a Quantum part either.
With the correct Zetec mountings there is no need for a strut there.

Jim



On 22/07/2019 18:25, Julian Coleman wrote:

  Hi 

  The offending item is the strut shown here between the brake fluid 
reservoir and the inlet manifold, it's attached to the engine and the brace bar 
between the suspension turrets. (This is before it broke.) If you have one I'm 
interested.

  Looking at the welds and the paint, I suspect this is a Quantum part, the 
fixings do not look like an aftermarket bodge. But having said that, it might 
have been one that was well done

  Regards


  Julian Coleman
  City Audio Services




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Re: [Quantum Owners] Re: H4 top engine stay/mount and 2L hoses

['Bill Allison' via Quantum Owners Group]

FWIW my experience with a saloon with silvertop. 

I originally fitted a stabiliser to reduce engine rotation under heavy 
acceleration / deceleration as otherwise the carb airbox would hit the bulkhead 
and the exhaust system would touch the tunnel or fuel tank. It required the 
rubber bushes changing annually as those I had used were not up to the task. 
During a rebuild a few years ago I resolved the situation by making stiffer 
gearbox mounts and moving the engine forwards 5mm to improve clearance all 
round. The original and new setups are visible in 
http://quantumforum.proboards.com/thread/522/ pages 1 and 4 especially. I also 
fitted a stainless braided flexible connector between the exhaust manifold and 
the system which allowed firmer mounting of the system without stressing the 
manifold.
Hope that's useful

Best regards
Bill 
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On Tuesday, 23 July 2019, 08:49:51 BST, russ price  
wrote:  
 
 Hi Julian,  I have an H4 with a 2.0 Silvertop without a top 
stabiliser and have had no problems. I've recently bought a saloon with 2.0 L 
Duratec badged engine and that does have a top stabiliser but was told the the 
engine/gear box mountings were weak, so presumably that is why it needs a 
stabiliser.RegardsRuss


On Sunday, 21 July 2019 08:43:11 UTC+1, julian wrote:
Hi
The H4 has a stabilising bar from the chassis frame to the top of the engine. 
It has just given up. I thought I'd just check to see if there was a chance 
replacements might be available before having this remade.
The bushes are showing their age but not yet scrap. So I'd be interested in 
replacing the whole lot if that is possible.
A vain hope I suspect, but worth a shot.
Thanks
Incidentally the hoses in my H4 were pretty poor and some bodged. A full 
correct correct set was no longer available, one of the most complex shapes 
being essentially custom. I had that one properly sorted so the moulds now 
exist for it which makes it possible to source a complete set if anyone is 
interested.

Julian Coleman
City Audio Services





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Re: [Quantum Owners] Re: H4 top engine stay/mount and 2L hoses

[Ian Harrison]

Could it be an ST170? It was a blacktop 2.0 Zetec badge engineered to be a
Duratec. It looks a little different at the top end as the cam covers are
knobbly and it has VVT cam paraphernalia.

Ian

On Tue, 23 Jul 2019 at 09:02, 'Steve Kodź' via Quantum Owners Group <
quantumowners@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Russ,
>
> Any photos of the Duratec badged engine as I'm interested to know if this
> is a Ford/Mazda Duratec of just one of the Zetec's badged up as a Duratec.
> The Duratec is quite different from a Zetec and I've not hear of one fitted
> to a Saloon before.
>
> Regards,
> Steve
> On 22/07/2019 21:22, russ price wrote:
>
> Hi Julian,
>   I have an H4 with a 2.0 Silvertop without a top stabiliser
> and have had no problems. I've recently bought a saloon with 2.0 L Duratec
> badged engine and that does have a top stabiliser but was told the the
> engine/gear box mountings were weak, so presumably that is why it needs a
> stabiliser.
> Regards
> Russ
>
>
> On Sunday, 21 July 2019 08:43:11 UTC+1, julian wrote:
>>
>> Hi
>>
>> The H4 has a stabilising bar from the chassis frame to the top of the
>> engine. It has just given up. I thought I'd just check to see if there was
>> a chance replacements might be available before having this remade.
>>
>> The bushes are showing their age but not yet scrap. So I'd be interested
>> in replacing the whole lot if that is possible.
>>
>> A vain hope I suspect, but worth a shot.
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Incidentally the hoses in my H4 were pretty poor and some bodged. A full
>> correct correct set was no longer available, one of the most complex shapes
>> being essentially custom. I had that one properly sorted so the moulds now
>> exist for it which makes it possible to source a complete set if anyone is
>> interested.
>>
>>
>> Julian Coleman
>> City Audio Services
>>
>>
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Re: [Quantum Owners] Re: H4 top engine stay/mount and 2L hoses

['Steve Kodź' via Quantum Owners Group]

Russ,

Any photos of the Duratec badged engine as I'm interested to know if 
this is a Ford/Mazda Duratec of just one of the Zetec's badged up as a 
Duratec.  The Duratec is quite different from a Zetec and I've not hear 
of one fitted to a Saloon before.


Regards,
Steve

On 22/07/2019 21:22, russ price wrote:

Hi Julian,
  I have an H4 with a 2.0 Silvertop without a top 
stabiliser and have had no problems. I've recently bought a saloon 
with 2.0 L Duratec badged engine and that does have a top stabiliser 
but was told the the engine/gear box mountings were weak, so 
presumably that is why it needs a stabiliser.

Regards
Russ


On Sunday, 21 July 2019 08:43:11 UTC+1, julian wrote:

Hi

The H4 has a stabilising bar from the chassis frame to the top of
the engine. It has just given up. I thought I'd just check to see
if there was a chance replacements might be available before
having this remade.

The bushes are showing their age but not yet scrap. So I'd be
interested in replacing the whole lot if that is possible.

A vain hope I suspect, but worth a shot.

Thanks

Incidentally the hoses in my H4 were pretty poor and some bodged.
A full correct correct set was no longer available, one of the
most complex shapes being essentially custom. I had that one
properly sorted so the moulds now exist for it which makes it
possible to source a complete set if anyone is interested.


Julian Coleman
City Audio Services


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Re: [Quantum Owners] Re: H4 top engine stay/mount and 2L hoses

['Steve Kodź' via Quantum Owners Group]

Julian,

I've not seen an upper engine mount like yours on a Zetec before.  You 
mentioned that offside you have 2 mounts and I'm assuming these are in 
the locations per Jim's earlier image. These are the standard locations 
for engine mounts on the Zetec and the H4 chassis came with bolt holes 
for the front mount, which was only used on the Zetec engine.  The CVH 
engine only uses the mount on the offside suspension turret, where the 
Zetec uses that, plus the bolt in mount at the front.


The only other engine mounts are those under the gearbox, connected to 
the cradle.  These are fitted to the front and rear sections of the 
cradle that bend up from the horizontal.


I would expect that if the other engine mounts are in decent condition 
that broken mount would not be needed, unless the engine/crank was 
unbalanced and generated too much vibration. However I suspect this 
might have been added as a belt and braces approach to prevent the 
engine torque creating too much movement under acceleration.  I suspect 
that even high power engines, such as those in Jim's 2+2 (even though 
it's a hybrid ZVH) or Bob Craig's Zetec turbo could control the torque 
with good engine mounts in the Ford standard locations.


If changing the gearbox mounts it was always rumoured that the diesel 
mounts were stiffer/stronger.  I'm not sure if that is true, but I did 
fit these to my CVH turbo powered H4 and didn't suffer engine movement 
issues.


Regards,
Steve

On 22/07/2019 20:41, Julian Coleman wrote:

Hi

I've just checked out the engine bay and there are two mounts on the 
offside. The rear one is pretty hard to see but I can see the support 
coming up to meet a bracket which I assume is bolted to the block. The 
front one is very easy to see and is in very good condition. The 
gearbox housing has two, one at the very front, the other at the rear, 
both very substantial and well bolted down. I know the rubbers are 
good because I had them checked - there is an optical illusion in the 
H4 which makes it look as though the engine is not level as though it 
had sunk at the gearbox end. It was checked, and it is level with no 
sign of softness in the mounts.


However someone has felt it necessary at some time to tie the engine 
down tighter and the work looks good aside from the misalignment.


Given all the mounts are present and apparently correct, I assume it's 
perfectly safe to remove the offending item and see how it all 
behaves. If it jerks, I can rebuild the strut and remove the offset.  
I wonder though if a shock absorber there might be more useful, but 
that would not stop the kind of movement that might stress the exhaust 
for example.


Thanks for the help so far, further advice appreciated.

Regards

Julian Coleman
City Audio Services



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From:
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To:
"Julian Coleman" 
Cc:

Sent:
Mon, 22 Jul 2019 19:38:55 +0100
    Subject:
    Re: [Quantum Owners] Re: H4 top engine stay/mount and 2L hoses


100% Not a Ford part and i'm pretty sure it wasn't a Quantum part
either.
With the correct Zetec mountings there is no need for a strut there.

Jim


On 22/07/2019 18:25, Julian Coleman wrote:

 Hi

The offending item is the strut shown here between the brake
fluid reservoir and the inlet manifold, it's attached to the
engine and the brace bar between the suspension turrets. (This
is before it broke.) If you have one I'm interested.

Looking at the welds and the paint, I suspect this is a
Quantum part, the fixings do not look like an aftermarket
bodge. But having said that, it might have been one that was
well done

Regards


Julian Coleman
City Audio Services



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To:

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Sent:
Mon, 22 Jul 2019 14:49:50 +0100
Subject:
    Re: [Quantum Owners] Re: H4 top engine stay/mount and 2L hoses


On the attached picture, the green circle is the front
Zetec engine mount and the yellow circle is the bracket
where the rear top engine mount bolts to.
Aside from these 2 the only other mounts on the Zetec are
under the gearbox.
I’d guess you may be missing the front mount and somebody
has added the tie bar at the rear to try and compensate.
Jim
*From:* Julian Coleman
*Sent:* Monday, July 22, 2019 2:30 PM
*To:* quantumowners@googlegroups.com
        *Subject:* Re: [Quantum Owners] Re: H4 top engine
        stay/mount and 2L hoses
Hi
If you could send me photos and dimensions I may very well
be interested. The engine in mine is a 2L silver top
zetec. The mounti

[Quantum Owners] Re: H4 top engine stay/mount and 2L hoses

[russ price]

Hi Julian,
  I have an H4 with a 2.0 Silvertop without a top stabiliser 
and have had no problems. I've recently bought a saloon with 2.0 L Duratec 
badged engine and that does have a top stabiliser but was told the the 
engine/gear box mountings were weak, so presumably that is why it needs a 
stabiliser.
Regards
Russ


On Sunday, 21 July 2019 08:43:11 UTC+1, julian wrote:
>
> Hi
>
> The H4 has a stabilising bar from the chassis frame to the top of the 
> engine. It has just given up. I thought I'd just check to see if there was 
> a chance replacements might be available before having this remade.
>
> The bushes are showing their age but not yet scrap. So I'd be interested 
> in replacing the whole lot if that is possible.
>
> A vain hope I suspect, but worth a shot.
>
> Thanks
>
> Incidentally the hoses in my H4 were pretty poor and some bodged. A full 
> correct correct set was no longer available, one of the most complex shapes 
> being essentially custom. I had that one properly sorted so the moulds now 
> exist for it which makes it possible to source a complete set if anyone is 
> interested.
>
>
> Julian Coleman
> City Audio Services
>
>
>

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Re: [Quantum Owners] Re: H4 top engine stay/mount and 2L hoses

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Re: [Quantum Owners] Re: H4 top engine stay/mount and 2L hoses

[Susan and Martin Scott]

Has it broken at one of the welds? It may be possible to get a local 
engineering place to weld it for little cost.
Martin
  - Original Message - 
  From: Julian Coleman 
  To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Monday, July 22, 2019 6:25 PM
  Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] Re: H4 top engine stay/mount and 2L hoses


   Hi


  The offending item is the strut shown here between the brake fluid reservoir 
and the inlet manifold, it's attached to the engine and the brace bar between 
the suspension turrets. (This is before it broke.) If you have one I'm 
interested.


  Looking at the welds and the paint, I suspect this is a Quantum part, the 
fixings do not look like an aftermarket bodge. But having said that, it might 
have been one that was well done


  Regards



  Julian Coleman
  City Audio Services




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From:
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To:


Cc:


Sent:
Mon, 22 Jul 2019 14:49:50 +0100

Subject:
Re: [Quantum Owners] Re: H4 top engine stay/mount and 2L hoses



On the attached picture, the green circle is the front Zetec engine mount 
and the yellow circle is the bracket where the rear top engine mount bolts to.
Aside from these 2 the only other mounts on the Zetec are under the gearbox.

I’d guess you may be missing the front mount and somebody has added the tie 
bar at the rear to try and compensate.

Jim


From: Julian Coleman 
Sent: Monday, July 22, 2019 2:30 PM
To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] Re: H4 top engine stay/mount and 2L hoses

Hi 

If you could send me photos and dimensions I may very well be interested. 
The engine in mine is a 2L silver top zetec. The mounting is from the inlet 
side roughly in the middle of the car (L/R) and it runs from the mount on the 
engine back to the stiffener bar which runs between the tops of the suspension 
turrets. I do plan to go out and measure it up later today but from memory it 
is about 150 - 200mm long with short tubes at each end, the tubes being about 
40-50mm long and about 30 ish mm diameter. 

Take that with a pinch of salt! But if it's anything similar it's worth 
seeing if it's a match. It would make sense if it was an original part, but who 
knows.

I've got enough on my hands, never mind nowhere to put it, to be able to 
consider taking on a second car or indeed keeping a donor. But I wish you well 
either sorting it or passing it on. They are fun for sure. 

Regards

Julian Coleman
City Audio Services




  - Original Message -
  From:
  quantumowners@googlegroups.com

  To:
  

  Cc:

  Sent:
  Mon, 22 Jul 2019 11:44:58 +0100

  Subject:
  Re: [Quantum Owners] Re: H4 top engine stay/mount and 2L hoses



  There's someone with a Wanted Ad on Ebay after an H4 at the moment - It 
looks like your may be too much work for him, but maybe a sale possibility?
  Martin
- Original Message - 
From: 'The Blue Pig' via Quantum Owners Group 
To: Quantum Owners Group 
Sent: Monday, July 22, 2019 11:21 AM
Subject: [Quantum Owners] Re: H4 top engine stay/mount and 2L hoses

Hi, Julian, 

Which engine do you have and on which side is the mounting in question?

I have an H4i with the 1.6 Zetec engine, a unit that had been 
installed, before I bought the car, to replace an earlier 1.6  engine in order 
to offer power steering. Unfortunately, the engine was put in by goblins using 
hammers; it was a tight fit and, I discovered on taking a sharp left-hand bend, 
lacked an engine mount on the near side connecting the engine to the chassis, 
resulting in a very alarming noise as an exposed pulley came into contact with 
the lower chassis member and tried to chew its way through it.

I obtained the correct engine mounting in good condition from a 
scrapped MkIII Fiesta but never got around to fitting it before garaging the 
car with a view to sorting out a number of small problems pre-MoT test. That 
was three years ago!  Consequently, I'm now the owner of a pre-barn-find blue 
Quantum H4i, a treasure trove of spare parts such as full light sets (time two, 
since an earlier MkIII was stripped to feed it and that had all lights intact 
as well), new and unfitted front wishbones, new front and rear shocks (rear 
fitted, never used, front in box) . . . A real boys' Christmas morning of 
delights!

If the engine mount might be of interest, let me know. If the rest of 
the car has appeal, I might be open to offers (since I'd really not like it to 
go for cannibalisation to feed a Fiesta MkIII).

Cheers!

On Sunday, 21 July 2019 08:43:11 UTC+1, julian wrote: 
  Hi 

  The H4 has a stabilising bar from the chassis frame to the top of the 
engine. It has just given up. I thought I'd just check to see if there was a 
chance

Re: [Quantum Owners] Re: H4 top engine stay/mount and 2L hoses

[Jim Hearne]

Hi Julian,
That’s not a standard Fiesta mounting.
There should be 2 mounts underneath the gearbox going into the cradle front and 
rear.
And for a proper Zetec install, 2 mounts on the left (from the front) side of 
the engine connecting to the chassis rail.
One goes onto the bracket sticking out from the vertical rail and the other is 
further foward.
On the early H4 the Zetec front mounting holes were not fitted to the chassis 
rail and some cars were just made with the rear top mount (this lets the engine 
mover too much) or a modified CVH mount instead (this is ok).

I will find some pictures.

Strangely i’m sure i have seen on H4 with a tiebar as you describe, somebody 
must have had trouble with the engine moving too much front / rear.

Jim


From: Julian Coleman 
Sent: Monday, July 22, 2019 2:30 PM
To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] Re: H4 top engine stay/mount and 2L hoses

Hi 

If you could send me photos and dimensions I may very well be interested. The 
engine in mine is a 2L silver top zetec. The mounting is from the inlet side 
roughly in the middle of the car (L/R) and it runs from the mount on the engine 
back to the stiffener bar which runs between the tops of the suspension 
turrets. I do plan to go out and measure it up later today but from memory it 
is about 150 - 200mm long with short tubes at each end, the tubes being about 
40-50mm long and about 30 ish mm diameter. 

Take that with a pinch of salt! But if it's anything similar it's worth seeing 
if it's a match. It would make sense if it was an original part, but who knows.

I've got enough on my hands, never mind nowhere to put it, to be able to 
consider taking on a second car or indeed keeping a donor. But I wish you well 
either sorting it or passing it on. They are fun for sure. 

Regards

Julian Coleman
City Audio Services




  - Original Message -
  From:
  quantumowners@googlegroups.com

  To:
  

  Cc:

  Sent:
  Mon, 22 Jul 2019 11:44:58 +0100

  Subject:
  Re: [Quantum Owners] Re: H4 top engine stay/mount and 2L hoses



  There's someone with a Wanted Ad on Ebay after an H4 at the moment - It looks 
like your may be too much work for him, but maybe a sale possibility?
  Martin
- Original Message - 
From: 'The Blue Pig' via Quantum Owners Group 
To: Quantum Owners Group 
Sent: Monday, July 22, 2019 11:21 AM
Subject: [Quantum Owners] Re: H4 top engine stay/mount and 2L hoses

Hi, Julian, 

Which engine do you have and on which side is the mounting in question?

I have an H4i with the 1.6 Zetec engine, a unit that had been installed, 
before I bought the car, to replace an earlier 1.6  engine in order to offer 
power steering. Unfortunately, the engine was put in by goblins using hammers; 
it was a tight fit and, I discovered on taking a sharp left-hand bend, lacked 
an engine mount on the near side connecting the engine to the chassis, 
resulting in a very alarming noise as an exposed pulley came into contact with 
the lower chassis member and tried to chew its way through it.

I obtained the correct engine mounting in good condition from a scrapped 
MkIII Fiesta but never got around to fitting it before garaging the car with a 
view to sorting out a number of small problems pre-MoT test. That was three 
years ago!  Consequently, I'm now the owner of a pre-barn-find blue Quantum 
H4i, a treasure trove of spare parts such as full light sets (time two, since 
an earlier MkIII was stripped to feed it and that had all lights intact as 
well), new and unfitted front wishbones, new front and rear shocks (rear 
fitted, never used, front in box) . . . A real boys' Christmas morning of 
delights!

If the engine mount might be of interest, let me know. If the rest of the 
car has appeal, I might be open to offers (since I'd really not like it to go 
for cannibalisation to feed a Fiesta MkIII).

Cheers!

On Sunday, 21 July 2019 08:43:11 UTC+1, julian wrote: 
  Hi 

  The H4 has a stabilising bar from the chassis frame to the top of the 
engine. It has just given up. I thought I'd just check to see if there was a 
chance replacements might be available before having this remade.

  The bushes are showing their age but not yet scrap. So I'd be interested 
in replacing the whole lot if that is possible.

  A vain hope I suspect, but worth a shot.

  Thanks

  Incidentally the hoses in my H4 were pretty poor and some bodged. A full 
correct correct set was no longer available, one of the most complex shapes 
being essentially custom. I had that one properly sorted so the moulds now 
exist for it which makes it possible to source a complete set if anyone is 
interested.


  Julian Coleman
  City Audio Services



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Re: [Quantum Owners] Re: H4 top engine stay/mount and 2L hoses

[Susan and Martin Scott]

There's someone with a Wanted Ad on Ebay after an H4 at the moment - It looks 
like your may be too much work for him, but maybe a sale possibility?
Martin
  - Original Message - 
  From: 'The Blue Pig' via Quantum Owners Group 
  To: Quantum Owners Group 
  Sent: Monday, July 22, 2019 11:21 AM
  Subject: [Quantum Owners] Re: H4 top engine stay/mount and 2L hoses


  Hi, Julian,


  Which engine do you have and on which side is the mounting in question?


  I have an H4i with the 1.6 Zetec engine, a unit that had been installed, 
before I bought the car, to replace an earlier 1.6  engine in order to offer 
power steering. Unfortunately, the engine was put in by goblins using hammers; 
it was a tight fit and, I discovered on taking a sharp left-hand bend, lacked 
an engine mount on the near side connecting the engine to the chassis, 
resulting in a very alarming noise as an exposed pulley came into contact with 
the lower chassis member and tried to chew its way through it.


  I obtained the correct engine mounting in good condition from a scrapped 
MkIII Fiesta but never got around to fitting it before garaging the car with a 
view to sorting out a number of small problems pre-MoT test. That was three 
years ago!  Consequently, I'm now the owner of a pre-barn-find blue Quantum 
H4i, a treasure trove of spare parts such as full light sets (time two, since 
an earlier MkIII was stripped to feed it and that had all lights intact as 
well), new and unfitted front wishbones, new front and rear shocks (rear 
fitted, never used, front in box) . . . A real boys' Christmas morning of 
delights!


  If the engine mount might be of interest, let me know. If the rest of the car 
has appeal, I might be open to offers (since I'd really not like it to go for 
cannibalisation to feed a Fiesta MkIII).


  Cheers!

  On Sunday, 21 July 2019 08:43:11 UTC+1, julian wrote:
Hi


The H4 has a stabilising bar from the chassis frame to the top of the 
engine. It has just given up. I thought I'd just check to see if there was a 
chance replacements might be available before having this remade.


The bushes are showing their age but not yet scrap. So I'd be interested in 
replacing the whole lot if that is possible.


A vain hope I suspect, but worth a shot.


Thanks


Incidentally the hoses in my H4 were pretty poor and some bodged. A full 
correct correct set was no longer available, one of the most complex shapes 
being essentially custom. I had that one properly sorted so the moulds now 
exist for it which makes it possible to source a complete set if anyone is 
interested.



Julian Coleman
City Audio Services




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[Quantum Owners] Re: H4 top engine stay/mount and 2L hoses

['The Blue Pig' via Quantum Owners Group]

Hi, Julian,

Which engine do you have and on which side is the mounting in question?

I have an H4i with the 1.6 Zetec engine, a unit that had been installed, 
before I bought the car, to replace an earlier 1.6  engine in order to 
offer power steering. Unfortunately, the engine was put in by goblins using 
hammers; it was a tight fit and, I discovered on taking a sharp left-hand 
bend, lacked an engine mount on the near side connecting the engine to the 
chassis, resulting in a very alarming noise as an exposed pulley came into 
contact with the lower chassis member and tried to chew its way through it.

I obtained the correct engine mounting in good condition from a scrapped 
MkIII Fiesta but never got around to fitting it before garaging the car 
with a view to sorting out a number of small problems pre-MoT test. That 
was three years ago!  Consequently, I'm now the owner of a pre-barn-find 
blue Quantum H4i, a treasure trove of spare parts such as full light sets 
(time two, since an earlier MkIII was stripped to feed it and that had all 
lights intact as well), new and unfitted front wishbones, new front and 
rear shocks (rear fitted, never used, front in box) . . . A real boys' 
Christmas morning of delights!

If the engine mount might be of interest, let me know. If the rest of the 
car has appeal, I might be open to offers (since I'd really not like it to 
go for cannibalisation to feed a Fiesta MkIII).

Cheers!

On Sunday, 21 July 2019 08:43:11 UTC+1, julian wrote:
>
> Hi
>
> The H4 has a stabilising bar from the chassis frame to the top of the 
> engine. It has just given up. I thought I'd just check to see if there was 
> a chance replacements might be available before having this remade.
>
> The bushes are showing their age but not yet scrap. So I'd be interested 
> in replacing the whole lot if that is possible.
>
> A vain hope I suspect, but worth a shot.
>
> Thanks
>
> Incidentally the hoses in my H4 were pretty poor and some bodged. A full 
> correct correct set was no longer available, one of the most complex shapes 
> being essentially custom. I had that one properly sorted so the moulds now 
> exist for it which makes it possible to source a complete set if anyone is 
> interested.
>
>
> Julian Coleman
> City Audio Services
>
>
>

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