[Quantum Owners] Re: MOT Emissions testing
Tony, thanks that was what I was looking for. The usual tester/Garage owner was not present I had a new tester who did not even know how much to charge me, the Garage owner is normally OK even goes to Stoneliegh Kit car show.The turbo diesel 2+2 always passes OK the other Kit car is Tax exempt (1971) so there is no argument that as it is visual only. On 30 July, 08:05, Tony Pottrell edi...@pyroport.com wrote: The below quote was taken from the Vosa.gov website:http://www.vosa.gov.uk/vosacorp/repository/MoT%20-%20Issue%2025%20-%2... and was confirmed by the last 4 MOT's I've taken the kitcar to. I couple have tried to emissions test it, but they've all been more than happy to skip it when they look up the requirements in their manuals :) [Ref Q-plate cars] For the purposes of emissions testing only, all these vehicles are considered as first used before 1 August 1975, regardless of when they were made. Therefore you will only need to carry out a visual test on these vehicles. You can find out more in the ‘How to use’ section of the introduction to the class 3, 4 and 7 Inspection Manual. How to carry out the test is explained in detail on page 5 in section 7.3, sub section A, called ‘All vehicles’. Is the vehicle a kit car or an amateur-built vehicle? Before testing a kit car or amateur-built vehicle, you need to identify the date it was first used (unless the vehicle has Q-plates, as discussed above). You may also need to see the vehicle’s registration document (V5). You should treat a vehicle first used before 1 August 1998 as if it were a vehicle first used on or before 1 August 1975, and carry out a visual test. However, you must treat vehicles first used before 1 August 1998 in this way for emissions tests only. Vehicles first used on or after 1 August 1998 (S-registration and onward) will have had a Single Vehicle Approval (SVA) examination. An emissions test will have been carried out and the limits will have been set and recorded on the V5. You need to use these limits for the test. If the presenter does not produce the V5, or the limits are not recorded on it, use the BET and CAT default limits. The only exception to this is when the presenter supplies evidence confirming that you can use a lower limit, for example because of the age of engine or the emission standard applied at SVA. You can find out more in section 7.3 of the Inspection Manual (page 9), and on page 2 of the 10th edition of the In Servic Exhaust Emissions Standards for Road Vehicles book. Compression ignition-powered kit cars and amateur-built vehicles must be meter-checked using 2.5m-1 limits for non- turbocharged engines and 3.0m-1 limits for turbocharged engines. Matthew Wastell wrote: Hi, Mine went up from visual to 3.5% CO and 1200 ppm HC when they brought in the computerised MOT tests. I'm running mega rich at tick over and hit 2.2% CO and 85 ppm HC. I really thought it would fail so I had prepared and taken all the bits needed to tweak but they weren't needed. Also michael hughes had a dialogue with the testing authority and they said pretty much the same, 3.5% CO AFAIR. Matthew On 29 Jul 2009, at 20:52, John Woodward john.woodw...@tesco.net wrote: My Saloon was first registered in 1997 is fitted with a CVH engine, the tester insisted that it wa tested as a '97 car (with Cat.) would not accept my protest that the engine was older would therefore not meet the emmision standard he was testing it to, so it failed the Emissions test one other fault. When I check the online MOT testers manual it just states it should be tested according to the age of the engine, ( the flowchart is not shown online). But when I check back before current manual all Kit cars built before SVA ( which mine is) are considered to be used before 1 August 1975, which is just a visual smoke test. Can anyone help clarify if this still applies before I go back for a retest.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Quantum Owners Group group. To post to this group, send email to quantumowners@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to quantumowners-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/quantumowners?hl=en IMPORTANT NOTE: All information presented herewith is provided on an As Is basis, without warranty or the implication thereof. Neither the Quantum Owners Club nor the individuals associated with the Quantum Owners Club or in the preparation of the above information shall have any liability to any person or entity with respect to liability, loss, or damage caused or alleged to be caused directly or indirectly by the instructions contained within this or related message(s).
[Quantum Owners] Re: MOT Emissions testing
Mine like others has sometimes been tested as visual smoke and sometimes at 3.5% CO and has changed year to year. Before the garage got the computerised MOT's it was mostly 3.5% they insisted on doing but the new computer told them to do it as visual smoke. Mine was built 1998 but pre SVA (by 1 day !), B plate. Yours certainly shouldn't need a cat test as it's got the CVH engine and the age of the engine counts if it's earlier than the car. Just don't tell the garage if you've got a ZVH (CVH head, Zetec bottom end) as i've heard of one that took the Zetec bottom end age and said that as the Zetec always had a cat the car must be tested to cat specs. I've heard it mentioned that the very first Zetec's didn't have a cat, but i remain unconvinced that this is true, has anybody seen one ? Jim Susan and Martin Scott wrote: My understanding is that the emission standard should be shown on the V5C, but I may be incorrect. - Original Message - From: John Woodward john.woodw...@tesco.net To: Quantum Owners Group quantumowners@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2009 8:52 PM Subject: [Quantum Owners] MOT Emissions testing My Saloon was first registered in 1997 is fitted with a CVH engine, the tester insisted that it wa tested as a '97 car (with Cat.) would not accept my protest that the engine was older would therefore not meet the emmision standard he was testing it to, so it failed the Emissions test one other fault. When I check the online MOT testers manual it just states it should be tested according to the age of the engine, ( the flowchart is not shown online). But when I check back before current manual all Kit cars built before SVA ( which mine is) are considered to be used before 1 August 1975, which is just a visual smoke test. Can anyone help clarify if this still applies before I go back for a retest. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Quantum Owners Group group. To post to this group, send email to quantumowners@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to quantumowners-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/quantumowners?hl=en IMPORTANT NOTE: All information presented herewith is provided on an As Is basis, without warranty or the implication thereof. Neither the Quantum Owners Club nor the individuals associated with the Quantum Owners Club or in the preparation of the above information shall have any liability to any person or entity with respect to liability, loss, or damage caused or alleged to be caused directly or indirectly by the instructions contained within this or related message(s). -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[Quantum Owners] Re: MOT Emissions testing
Oh, when you take it back ask them to check the emmisions before they start the MOT computer as then you won't be charged for the retest if it fails. If you can be bothered with the hassle you can appeal. Or you can ring the VRO, confirm it with them and get them to ring the garage. Jim John Woodward wrote: My Saloon was first registered in 1997 is fitted with a CVH engine, the tester insisted that it wa tested as a '97 car (with Cat.) would not accept my protest that the engine was older would therefore not meet the emmision standard he was testing it to, so it failed the Emissions test one other fault. When I check the online MOT testers manual it just states it should be tested according to the age of the engine, ( the flowchart is not shown online). But when I check back before current manual all Kit cars built before SVA ( which mine is) are considered to be used before 1 August 1975, which is just a visual smoke test. Can anyone help clarify if this still applies before I go back for a retest. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Quantum Owners Group group. To post to this group, send email to quantumowners@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to quantumowners-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/quantumowners?hl=en IMPORTANT NOTE: All information presented herewith is provided on an As Is basis, without warranty or the implication thereof. Neither the Quantum Owners Club nor the individuals associated with the Quantum Owners Club or in the preparation of the above information shall have any liability to any person or entity with respect to liability, loss, or damage caused or alleged to be caused directly or indirectly by the instructions contained within this or related message(s). -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[Quantum Owners] Re: MOT Emissions testing
I think someone other than Michael needs to have a discussion with DVLA. One for the quantum owners club committee maybe? They should be able to get something in writing for the magazine hopefully. Matthew On 29 Jul 2009, at 22:37, Susan and Martin Scott susanandmar...@corringham99.free-online.co.uk wrote: Wife's Ka (2003 reg) shows .064g/km and CO .397 g/km on V5C, and the MOT station used .20 % CO and 200ppm as it's levels -any ideas how these correlate? It passed yesterday anyway. Interestingly exactly 12 montths ago (in a different MOT garage) they used the same criteria, and it passed with .002%CO and 0 ppm HC Yes that's corrrect ZERO, I considered applying for a zero emission tax band! My Rickman Ranger is dated at 1976, but they tested it to 4.5%CO and 1200ppm HC, then failed it (a new exhaust valve sorted it though)- but should I have queried them testing it for anything other than visual? - No limits are shown on the V5C. Anyone here with an SVA'd car looked at their V5C? Yours, Martin Scott (Last Chance Saloon, waited 8 weeks for registration number so far.) - Original Message - From: Matthew Wastell matt...@wastell.eu To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2009 10:05 PM Subject: [Quantum Owners] Re: MOT Emissions testing Hi, Mine went up from visual to 3.5% CO and 1200 ppm HC when they brought in the computerised MOT tests. I'm running mega rich at tick over and hit 2.2% CO and 85 ppm HC. I really thought it would fail so I had prepared and taken all the bits needed to tweak but they weren't needed. Also michael hughes had a dialogue with the testing authority and they said pretty much the same, 3.5% CO AFAIR. Matthew On 29 Jul 2009, at 20:52, John Woodward john.woodw...@tesco.net wrote: My Saloon was first registered in 1997 is fitted with a CVH engine, the tester insisted that it wa tested as a '97 car (with Cat.) would not accept my protest that the engine was older would therefore not meet the emmision standard he was testing it to, so it failed the Emissions test one other fault. When I check the online MOT testers manual it just states it should be tested according to the age of the engine, ( the flowchart is not shown online). But when I check back before current manual all Kit cars built before SVA ( which mine is) are considered to be used before 1 August 1975, which is just a visual smoke test. Can anyone help clarify if this still applies before I go back for a retest. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Quantum Owners Group group. To post to this group, send email to quantumowners@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to quantumowners-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/quantumowners?hl=en IMPORTANT NOTE: All information presented herewith is provided on an As Is basis, without warranty or the implication thereof. Neither the Quantum Owners Club nor the individuals associated with the Quantum Owners Club or in the preparation of the above information shall have any liability to any person or entity with respect to liability, loss, or damage caused or alleged to be caused directly or indirectly by the instructions contained within this or related message(s). -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[Quantum Owners] Re: MOT Emissions testing
My understanding is that the emission standard should be shown on the V5C, but I may be incorrect. - Original Message - From: John Woodward john.woodw...@tesco.net To: Quantum Owners Group quantumowners@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2009 8:52 PM Subject: [Quantum Owners] MOT Emissions testing My Saloon was first registered in 1997 is fitted with a CVH engine, the tester insisted that it wa tested as a '97 car (with Cat.) would not accept my protest that the engine was older would therefore not meet the emmision standard he was testing it to, so it failed the Emissions test one other fault. When I check the online MOT testers manual it just states it should be tested according to the age of the engine, ( the flowchart is not shown online). But when I check back before current manual all Kit cars built before SVA ( which mine is) are considered to be used before 1 August 1975, which is just a visual smoke test. Can anyone help clarify if this still applies before I go back for a retest. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Quantum Owners Group group. To post to this group, send email to quantumowners@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to quantumowners-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/quantumowners?hl=en IMPORTANT NOTE: All information presented herewith is provided on an As Is basis, without warranty or the implication thereof. Neither the Quantum Owners Club nor the individuals associated with the Quantum Owners Club or in the preparation of the above information shall have any liability to any person or entity with respect to liability, loss, or damage caused or alleged to be caused directly or indirectly by the instructions contained within this or related message(s). -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[Quantum Owners] Re: MOT Emissions testing
You are correct, Pre-SVA kitcars are visual check only. John Woodward wrote: My Saloon was first registered in 1997 is fitted with a CVH engine, the tester insisted that it wa tested as a '97 car (with Cat.) would not accept my protest that the engine was older would therefore not meet the emmision standard he was testing it to, so it failed the Emissions test one other fault. When I check the online MOT testers manual it just states it should be tested according to the age of the engine, ( the flowchart is not shown online). But when I check back before current manual all Kit cars built before SVA ( which mine is) are considered to be used before 1 August 1975, which is just a visual smoke test. Can anyone help clarify if this still applies before I go back for a retest. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Quantum Owners Group group. To post to this group, send email to quantumowners@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to quantumowners-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/quantumowners?hl=en IMPORTANT NOTE: All information presented herewith is provided on an As Is basis, without warranty or the implication thereof. Neither the Quantum Owners Club nor the individuals associated with the Quantum Owners Club or in the preparation of the above information shall have any liability to any person or entity with respect to liability, loss, or damage caused or alleged to be caused directly or indirectly by the instructions contained within this or related message(s). -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[Quantum Owners] Re: MOT Emissions testing
Hi, Mine went up from visual to 3.5% CO and 1200 ppm HC when they brought in the computerised MOT tests. I'm running mega rich at tick over and hit 2.2% CO and 85 ppm HC. I really thought it would fail so I had prepared and taken all the bits needed to tweak but they weren't needed. Also michael hughes had a dialogue with the testing authority and they said pretty much the same, 3.5% CO AFAIR. Matthew On 29 Jul 2009, at 20:52, John Woodward john.woodw...@tesco.net wrote: My Saloon was first registered in 1997 is fitted with a CVH engine, the tester insisted that it wa tested as a '97 car (with Cat.) would not accept my protest that the engine was older would therefore not meet the emmision standard he was testing it to, so it failed the Emissions test one other fault. When I check the online MOT testers manual it just states it should be tested according to the age of the engine, ( the flowchart is not shown online). But when I check back before current manual all Kit cars built before SVA ( which mine is) are considered to be used before 1 August 1975, which is just a visual smoke test. Can anyone help clarify if this still applies before I go back for a retest. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Quantum Owners Group group. To post to this group, send email to quantumowners@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to quantumowners-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/quantumowners?hl=en IMPORTANT NOTE: All information presented herewith is provided on an As Is basis, without warranty or the implication thereof. Neither the Quantum Owners Club nor the individuals associated with the Quantum Owners Club or in the preparation of the above information shall have any liability to any person or entity with respect to liability, loss, or damage caused or alleged to be caused directly or indirectly by the instructions contained within this or related message(s). -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[Quantum Owners] Re: MOT Emissions testing
Wife's Ka (2003 reg) shows .064g/km and CO .397 g/km on V5C, and the MOT station used .20 % CO and 200ppm as it's levels -any ideas how these correlate? It passed yesterday anyway. Interestingly exactly 12 montths ago (in a different MOT garage) they used the same criteria, and it passed with .002%CO and 0 ppm HC Yes that's corrrect ZERO, I considered applying for a zero emission tax band! My Rickman Ranger is dated at 1976, but they tested it to 4.5%CO and 1200ppm HC, then failed it (a new exhaust valve sorted it though)- but should I have queried them testing it for anything other than visual? - No limits are shown on the V5C. Anyone here with an SVA'd car looked at their V5C? Yours, Martin Scott (Last Chance Saloon, waited 8 weeks for registration number so far.) - Original Message - From: Matthew Wastell matt...@wastell.eu To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2009 10:05 PM Subject: [Quantum Owners] Re: MOT Emissions testing Hi, Mine went up from visual to 3.5% CO and 1200 ppm HC when they brought in the computerised MOT tests. I'm running mega rich at tick over and hit 2.2% CO and 85 ppm HC. I really thought it would fail so I had prepared and taken all the bits needed to tweak but they weren't needed. Also michael hughes had a dialogue with the testing authority and they said pretty much the same, 3.5% CO AFAIR. Matthew On 29 Jul 2009, at 20:52, John Woodward john.woodw...@tesco.net wrote: My Saloon was first registered in 1997 is fitted with a CVH engine, the tester insisted that it wa tested as a '97 car (with Cat.) would not accept my protest that the engine was older would therefore not meet the emmision standard he was testing it to, so it failed the Emissions test one other fault. When I check the online MOT testers manual it just states it should be tested according to the age of the engine, ( the flowchart is not shown online). But when I check back before current manual all Kit cars built before SVA ( which mine is) are considered to be used before 1 August 1975, which is just a visual smoke test. Can anyone help clarify if this still applies before I go back for a retest. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Quantum Owners Group group. To post to this group, send email to quantumowners@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to quantumowners-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/quantumowners?hl=en IMPORTANT NOTE: All information presented herewith is provided on an As Is basis, without warranty or the implication thereof. Neither the Quantum Owners Club nor the individuals associated with the Quantum Owners Club or in the preparation of the above information shall have any liability to any person or entity with respect to liability, loss, or damage caused or alleged to be caused directly or indirectly by the instructions contained within this or related message(s). -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
