Re: [Quantum Owners] Rear brake hub

2023-10-08 Thread julian 



Hi

Thanks for catching up - all information is useful. Certainly this set 
up seems different! The donor was a Fiesta 1.6 Si so your observations 
make sense.


I think I have found a correct pair which list as Mk3 / Mk4 plus a 
variety of other small Fords. They look right and everything I have been 
able to get at and measure matches OK. I probably will not know now for 
sure until I strip the existing ones again. Hopefully that will be part 
of a rear end refurb - which will not be for a little while yet, I've 
got it back on the road and safe, but as ever lots more to do.


Regards

On 2023-10-08 15:28, Pete M wrote:


On Friday, 29 September 2023 at 19:33:44 UTC+1 Julian wrote:


Hi again

I assume that despite the changes re the hub being an integrated or 
two part design, the bearings remained the same.  The ones I bought 
seem to be a perfect fit and they do also, according to the suppliers' 
listings, fit later Fiestas so I assume are correct. But I'm far from 
convinced they are lasting as long as they should. So could these be 
different? The kits are listed as FBK512, the listings do not give a 
Ford part number.


I've no ABS - its a basic cylinder and handbrake set up..
Playing a bit of catchup here.  When I bought drums for my H4 the 
Fiesta drums that matched the 1.6Si donor were bigger than the standard 
mk3 drum.  The motor factor had them listed for Fiestas with ABS 
(despite not having ABS) and they came with hubs attached - sometimes 
it felt like the mk3.5 was an odd hybrid of the less common RS1800 and 
Fiesta mk4 parts


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Re: [Quantum Owners] Rear brake hub

2023-10-08 Thread Pete M 
On Friday, 29 September 2023 at 19:33:44 UTC+1 Julian wrote:

Hi again

I assume that despite the changes re the hub being an integrated or two 
part design, the bearings remained the same.  The ones I bought seem to be 
a perfect fit and they do also, according to the suppliers' listings, fit 
later Fiestas so I assume are correct. But I'm far from convinced they are 
lasting as long as they should. So could these be different? The kits are 
listed as FBK512, the listings do not give a Ford part number.

I've no ABS - its a basic cylinder and handbrake set up..

Playing a bit of catchup here.  When I bought drums for my H4 the Fiesta 
drums that matched the 1.6Si donor were bigger than the standard mk3 drum.  
The motor factor had them listed for Fiestas with ABS (despite not having 
ABS) and they came with hubs attached - sometimes it felt like the mk3.5 
was an odd hybrid of the less common RS1800 and Fiesta mk4 parts 


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Re: [Quantum Owners] Rear brake hub

2023-09-28 Thread Jim Hearne 
The rear hub nut is done up to 184 to 214 lbf ft

Jim


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Subject: [Quantum Owners] Rear brake hub

Hi

I've just replaced the bearings in the rear nearside hub on an H4 (Fiesta Mk3) 
and found that the inner bearing housing has been worn so that I was able to 
turn the whole bearing insert by hand before pushing it out. The section where 
it is set is larger diameter than the rest of the tube through which the shell 
has to be pushed into place. The new bearing is better than the old, but there 
is still a problem.

I cannot find anywhere that supplies replacement Fiesta 3 hubs. There are items 
listed but these do not include the brake drums - mine are integrated.

Does anyone know where a suitable spare may be found, or what else can be done?

Thanks

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Re: [Quantum Owners] Rear brake hub

2023-09-28 Thread Jim Hearne 
I’m pretty sure all the rear drums on the Mk3 Fiesta had separate drums and 
hubs, none were combined like the Mk2 Fiesta, are you sure the drum wasn’t just 
stuck to the hub ?

Also, when you do the rear hub nut up (It’s really tight) then it will clamp 
all the inner bearings together between the nut, the bearing inners and the 
rear of the spindle, there is no way for the inners to spin on the spindle 
unless the hub nut was loose.
So, it doesn’t surprise me if you could remove the inner bearings by hand or if 
there was slight play.

Jim


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Subject: [Quantum Owners] Rear brake hub

Hi

I've just replaced the bearings in the rear nearside hub on an H4 (Fiesta Mk3) 
and found that the inner bearing housing has been worn so that I was able to 
turn the whole bearing insert by hand before pushing it out. The section where 
it is set is larger diameter than the rest of the tube through which the shell 
has to be pushed into place. The new bearing is better than the old, but there 
is still a problem.

I cannot find anywhere that supplies replacement Fiesta 3 hubs. There are items 
listed but these do not include the brake drums - mine are integrated.

Does anyone know where a suitable spare may be found, or what else can be done?

Thanks

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[Quantum Owners] Rear brake hub

2023-09-28 Thread julian 



Hi

I've just replaced the bearings in the rear nearside hub on an H4 
(Fiesta Mk3) and found that the inner bearing housing has been worn so 
that I was able to turn the whole bearing insert by hand before pushing 
it out. The section where it is set is larger diameter than the rest of 
the tube through which the shell has to be pushed into place. The new 
bearing is better than the old, but there is still a problem.


I cannot find anywhere that supplies replacement Fiesta 3 hubs. There 
are items listed but these do not include the brake drums - mine are 
integrated.


Does anyone know where a suitable spare may be found, or what else can 
be done?


Thanks

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Re: [Quantum Owners] Rear Brake Adjusters

2015-09-05 Thread Derek Clews 
Thanks Guys,  I got a set from ebay (europe) already.  Good if there are more 
around!

Derek

 
> On 4 Sep 2015, at 21:00, Steve Kodź  wrote:
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> There is one on eBay, item 281783986081.
> 
> Regards,
> Steve
> www.h4-turbo.co.uk 
> www.quantumowners.co.uk 
> 
> On 29 July 2015 16:25:05 Derek Clews  wrote:
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>> Dear All,
>> 
>> I now have the following info. from Ford.  The rear brake adjusters are part 
>> of a kit along with the actuator bars.  Finis 6177237  Pt No 84FB-2K286-AB.  
>> Ford want £53.32 on special order, so pay an advance and no refund/ return 
>> if they are wrong.  The catalogue pictures were generic, so don’t help.  Can 
>> anyone confirm the numbers?  
>> 
>> The Mk1 & Mk 3 versions are shown as different part numbers.  Mk1’s are 
>> available individually.  But the catalogue picture was the same for all 
>> MK’s.  But how different are they really?  I will let you know if I find 
>> out. 
>> 
>> I am making a list of whatever numbers I have.  Can we have a central point 
>> on the Owners Club site with a collection of Finis & part numbers, please?
>> 
>> Derek
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Re: [Quantum Owners] Rear Brake Adjusters

2015-09-04 Thread Steve Kodź 

There is one on eBay, item 281783986081.

Regards,
Steve
www.h4-turbo.co.uk
www.quantumowners.co.uk



On 29 July 2015 16:25:05 Derek Clews  wrote:


Dear All,

I now have the following info. from Ford.  The rear brake adjusters are 
part of a kit along with the actuator bars.  Finis 6177237  Pt No 
84FB-2K286-AB.  Ford want £53.32 on special order, so pay an advance and no 
refund/ return if they are wrong.  The catalogue pictures were generic, so 
don’t help.  Can anyone confirm the numbers?



The Mk1 & Mk 3 versions are shown as different part numbers.  Mk1’s are 
available individually.  But the catalogue picture was the same for all 
MK’s.  But how different are they really?  I will let you know if I find out.


I am making a list of whatever numbers I have.  Can we have a central point 
on the Owners Club site with a collection of Finis & part numbers, please?


Derek

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[Quantum Owners] Rear Brake Adjusters

2015-07-29 Thread Derek Clews 
Dear All,

I now have the following info. from Ford.  The rear brake adjusters are part of 
a kit along with the actuator bars.  Finis 6177237  Pt No 84FB-2K286-AB.  Ford 
want £53.32 on special order, so pay an advance and no refund/ return if they 
are wrong.  The catalogue pictures were generic, so don’t help.  Can anyone 
confirm the numbers?  


The Mk1  Mk 3 versions are shown as different part numbers.  Mk1’s are 
available individually.  But the catalogue picture was the same for all MK’s.  
But how different are they really?  I will let you know if I find out.  

I am making a list of whatever numbers I have.  Can we have a central point on 
the Owners Club site with a collection of Finis  part numbers, please?

Derek

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Re: [Quantum Owners] rear brake

2014-06-12 Thread M Neil 
I agree, it is pretty much for aesthetics, but I disagree that rear disks will 
lessen the breaking performance. 
No, you don't need to change the rear axel. There are other ways to do it (a 
quick google will tell you more) but I have fiesta centre conversion plates, 
these require mk3 fiesta solid front disks, Granada callipers, escort handbrake 
cable (iirc) and standard mk2 fiesta drums turned down to fit inside the new 
disks.
Problem I have found is finding the rear callipers in good condition, they all 
seem heavily pitted on the handbrake pivot. This allows leaking. I have however 
found a company which can supply a replacement (big redd eBay), but I would 
advise buying professionally refurbished ones unless you are competent in such 
matters. For information, I have left the brake bias as standard and I don't 
get any locking up of the rear and the mot guy is more than happy.
I will add at this point that I don't drive particularly hard and have not done 
track days so more research may be necessary if hard braking etc is going to be 
the norm.
Most people report the larger mondeo servo has made far more positive 
difference than anything.
Hope this is of some help.

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 On 11 Jun 2014, at 20:00, Susan and Martin Scott 
 susanandmar...@corringham99.free-online.co.uk wrote:
 
 No you are correct - Absolute waste of time/effort/money, and will probably 
 end up with an inferior braking system (certainly on the handbrake).
 If you have a rear engined car, and are using it on the track, then maybe
 Kish - It will probably affect (adversely) that new insurance you have as 
 well.
 Martin
  
  
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 Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2014 5:18 PM
 Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] rear brake
 
 I am sure I have heard people who have done this say it is not worth the 
 effort as there is not a lot of weight at the back end, unless it is purely 
 an aesthetic requirement. Come on somebody back me up or am I losing my mind?
 
 Russell
 On 11/06/2014 16:40, Kish Patel wrote:
 hi all
 
 can any one help ?
 
 want to put disk brakes on the rear of my 2+2 (presently has drum ones)
 do I need to replace axel etc. ??
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Re: [Quantum Owners] rear brake

2014-06-12 Thread tom 
I have the rear discs as well, and in combo with the HiSpec monster kit on the 
front feel that the braking is improved. I don't have a vacuum assist on mine, 
so it's fairly heavy, but the pedal feel is good.
The only negative I can give is that I find the rear discs chirp as they go 
round.


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I agree, it is pretty much for aesthetics, but I disagree that rear disks will 
lessen the breaking performance. 
No, you don't need to change the rear axel. There are other ways to do it (a 
quick google will tell you more) but I have fiesta centre conversion plates, 
these require mk3 fiesta solid front disks, Granada callipers, escort handbrake 
cable (iirc) and standard mk2 fiesta drums turned down to fit inside the new 
disks.
Problem I have found is finding the rear callipers in good condition, they all 
seem heavily pitted on the handbrake pivot. This allows leaking. I have however 
found a company which can supply a replacement (big redd eBay), but I would 
advise buying professionally refurbished ones unless you are competent in such 
matters. For information, I have left the brake bias as standard and I don't 
get any locking up of the rear and the mot guy is more than happy.
I will add at this point that I don't drive particularly hard and have not done 
track days so more research may be necessary if hard braking etc is going to be 
the norm.
Most people report the larger mondeo servo has made far more positive 
difference than anything.
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 On 11 Jun 2014, at 20:00, Susan and Martin Scott 
 susanandmar...@corringham99.free-online.co.uk wrote:
 
 No you are correct - Absolute waste of time/effort/money, and will probably 
 end up with an inferior braking system (certainly on the handbrake).
 If you have a rear engined car, and are using it on the track, then maybe
 Kish - It will probably affect (adversely) that new insurance you have as 
 well.
 Martin
  
  
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 Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2014 5:18 PM
 Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] rear brake
 
 I am sure I have heard people who have done this say it is not worth the 
 effort as there is not a lot of weight at the back end, unless it is purely 
 an aesthetic requirement. Come on somebody back me up or am I losing my mind?
 
 Russell
 On 11/06/2014 16:40, Kish Patel wrote:
 hi all
 
 can any one help ?
 
 want to put disk brakes on the rear of my 2+2 (presently has drum ones)
 do I need to replace axel etc. ??
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Re: [Quantum Owners] rear brake

2014-06-12 Thread tom 
Handbrake is actually much better - and why would it effect insurance??

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No you are correct - Absolute waste of time/effort/money, and will probably end 
up with an inferior braking system (certainly on the handbrake).
If you have a rear engined car, and are using it on the track, then maybe
Kish - It will probably affect (adversely) that new insurance you have as well.
Martin


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  Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2014 5:18 PM
  Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] rear brake


  I am sure I have heard people who have done this say it is not worth the 
effort as there is not a lot of weight at the back end, unless it is purely an 
aesthetic requirement. Come on somebody back me up or am I losing my mind?

  Russell

  On 11/06/2014 16:40, Kish Patel wrote:

hi all


can any one help ?


want to put disk brakes on the rear of my 2+2 (presently has drum ones)
do I need to replace axel etc. ??
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Re: [Quantum Owners] rear brake

2014-06-12 Thread Susan and Martin Scott 
That's unusual, but pleased for you that it's better. Using small pads to do 
the job of large shoes can lead to problems/inconsistencies - If it has a drum 
and shoes for the handbrake, and discs for the foot brake I can see it would 
work ok. Braking on the footbrake is unlikely to be an improvement on the 
original because both systems will operate way beyond the limit of the relief 
valves. It could be better if the original was way out of adjustment of course.
 It could affect insurance because it's a modification. Yes I know that it's a 
Kit Car, so therefore heavily modified anyway, but the insurance peeps like the 
parts to still be as per the donor vehicle. As an example, years ago a work 
colleague had a Ford Capri, to which he added side repeaters (as the more 
recent models had fitted) - he revealed this to his insurance broker, and it 
led to weeks of letters back and forth, because they wanted to load his 
insurance because it was a 'modification'. Eventually he persuaded them that 
he'd done it in the interests of safety, and he shouldn't pay more. but it 
was a close thing. I suspect putting disc where there were previously drums 
could be worth asking about before the can of worms is opened!
Martin. 
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  Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] rear brake


  Handbrake is actually much better - and why would it effect insurance??

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  No you are correct - Absolute waste of time/effort/money, and will probably 
end up with an inferior braking system (certainly on the handbrake).
  If you have a rear engined car, and are using it on the track, then maybe
  Kish - It will probably affect (adversely) that new insurance you have as 
well.
  Martin


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To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com 
Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2014 5:18 PM
Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] rear brake


I am sure I have heard people who have done this say it is not worth the 
effort as there is not a lot of weight at the back end, unless it is purely an 
aesthetic requirement. Come on somebody back me up or am I losing my mind?

Russell

On 11/06/2014 16:40, Kish Patel wrote:

  hi all


  can any one help ?


  want to put disk brakes on the rear of my 2+2 (presently has drum ones)
  do I need to replace axel etc. ??
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Re: [Quantum Owners] rear brake

2014-06-12 Thread 'Michael Hughes' via Quantum Owners Group 
Luxury cars with discs all round often have small drums built into the 
disc on the rear wheels, which is used for the parking brake. The 
reason being that if you park a disc braked car on an incline, with 
very hot discs when the discs cool the car can start to slide down the 
incline.


Handbrake is actually much better -



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Handbrake is actually much better - and why would it effect insurance??

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No you are correct - Absolute waste of time/effort/money, and will 
probably end up with an inferior braking system (certainly on the 
handbrake).
If you have a rear engined car, and are using it on the track, then 
maybe
Kish - It will probably affect (adversely) that new insurance you have 
as well.

Martin
 
 
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Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] rear   brake



I am sure I have heard people who have done this say it is not   worth 
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[Quantum Owners] rear brake

2014-06-11 Thread Kish Patel 
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Re: [Quantum Owners] rear brake

2014-06-11 Thread Russell Willcox 
I am sure I have heard people who have done this say it is not worth the 
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Re: [Quantum Owners] rear brake

2014-06-11 Thread Susan and Martin Scott 
No you are correct - Absolute waste of time/effort/money, and will probably end 
up with an inferior braking system (certainly on the handbrake).
If you have a rear engined car, and are using it on the track, then maybe
Kish - It will probably affect (adversely) that new insurance you have as well.
Martin


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  I am sure I have heard people who have done this say it is not worth the 
effort as there is not a lot of weight at the back end, unless it is purely an 
aesthetic requirement. Come on somebody back me up or am I losing my mind?

  Russell

  On 11/06/2014 16:40, Kish Patel wrote:

hi all


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