Re: [qubes-users] Qubes VM snapshots using git / SVN

[Chris Laprise]

On 12/05/2016 09:06 PM, Patrick Schleizer wrote:

Why I used git:

* I found it simpler and quicker to type to manage the whole
/var/lib/qubes/vm-templates/vm-name including all files using git rather
than manually that folder.


Using LVM or Btrfs snapshots would accomplish this far more quickly and 
efficiently. Its also much closer to standard practice for managing disk 
volumes.


On Btrfs, if I wanted snapshots to contain a certain folder, I could 
make that folder into a subvolume and then start snapshotting it. 
Alternately, I could forgo subvolumes and use 'cp --reflink source dest' 
to create COW copies.


LVM is less flexible and requires more commands, but your system may 
already be setup with it and it would at least give you snapshots 
without any need to copy large volumes of data unnecessarily.


Chris

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Re: [qubes-users] Re: First impressions

[Andrew David Wong]

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On 2016-12-05 18:49, raahe...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Sunday, December 4, 2016 at 2:52:05 PM UTC-5, Eva Star wrote:
>> On 12/03/2016 07:20 PM, raahe...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> In KDE it was much easier to make shortcuts to launch specific apps right 
>>> in the menu.  XFCE unfortunately does not make this easy anymore.  You 
>>> actually have to edit a cfg file to do it, but its possible.
>>
>> It's not true. It's easy to create shortcuts menu. Right click on 
>> toolbar, then New Item> then Launcher. After it will be visible you can 
>> change settings and add shortcuts with right click > properties
>>
>> -- 
>> Regards
> 
> I'm talking about the applications menu.  what is the "toolbar" you are 
> talking about?  All I know of to edit the menu in xfce is to use alt f3. But 
> that only lets you edit existing entries,  not create new ones.
> 

Eva is referring to what is called a "panel" in Xfce. By default, there is a 
panel that horizontally spans the top of the screen. You can right-click on 
this panel to add new "Items" to it, one of which is a "Launcher." The 
"Launcher" can be used to start apps inside AppVMs with one or two clicks. I 
find this very convenient, since I have a lot of VMs and there's no way (that 
I've found) to create submenus in the main "Applications Menu."

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Re: [qubes-users] Re: First impressions

[raahelps]

On Sunday, December 4, 2016 at 2:52:05 PM UTC-5, Eva Star wrote:
> On 12/03/2016 07:20 PM, raahe...@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> > In KDE it was much easier to make shortcuts to launch specific apps right 
> > in the menu.  XFCE unfortunately does not make this easy anymore.  You 
> > actually have to edit a cfg file to do it, but its possible.
> 
> It's not true. It's easy to create shortcuts menu. Right click on 
> toolbar, then New Item> then Launcher. After it will be visible you can 
> change settings and add shortcuts with right click > properties
> 
> -- 
> Regards

I'm talking about the applications menu.  what is the "toolbar" you are talking 
about?  All I know of to edit the menu in xfce is to use alt f3. But that only 
lets you edit existing entries,  not create new ones.

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Re: [qubes-users] Qubes VM snapshots using git / SVN

[Patrick Schleizer]

Why I used git:

* I found it simpler and quicker to type to manage the whole
/var/lib/qubes/vm-templates/vm-name including all files using git rather
than manually that folder.

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Re: [qubes-users] Re: Announcement: Qubes OS Begins Commercialization and Community Funding Efforts

[Andrew David Wong]

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On 2016-12-05 14:01, Grzesiek Chodzicki wrote:
> W dniu niedziela, 4 grudnia 2016 09:37:01 UTC+1 użytkownik Andrew David Wong 
> napisał:
>> On 2016-12-03 05:07, Grzesiek Chodzicki wrote:
>>> Also, you forgot to post this to qubes-announce Andrew.
>>>
>> Didn't forget; qubes-announce is strictly for QSBs and new releases:
>> 
>> https://www.qubes-os.org/mailing-lists/#qubes-announce
>> 
> My bad then.
> 

No worries. We know that some people are only willing to receive very infrequent
messages about critical Qubes announcements, and we want those people to be able
to trust qubes-announce for that purpose. We know that if we start sending too 
many
messages through qubes-announce, we'll drive those readers away, so it's very
important to us to keep our promise by sending announcements only for QSBs and
new Qubes OS releases.

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Re: [qubes-users] Re: Announcement: Qubes OS Begins Commercialization and Community Funding Efforts

[Andrew David Wong]

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On 2016-12-05 09:18, Patrick Bouldin wrote:
> Hi Andrew, ok - after reading it a couple more times I got the total gist. 
> Not sure who all was hired but hopefully there will be sufficient marketing 
> efforts to get them funded long term.
> 
> Thanks,
> Patrick
> 
> Dallas, TX
> 

Just to clarify, I'm not aware of anyone having been newly hired specifically 
in connection with this announcement. Rather, I think the idea is that any 
funds donated through Open Collective will be used to pay individual developers 
to work on the open source edition of Qubes, whether they're developers who are 
already working on Qubes (who are listed on the Team page) or new developers 
hired in the future.

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Re: [qubes-users] Qubes VM snapshots using git / SVN

[Andrew David Wong]

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On 2016-12-05 12:03, Patrick Schleizer wrote:
> Has anyone used git / SVN on huge Qubes templates (in case they break
> during upgrades or for development purposes) for snapshot / rollback
> purposes and can can share some tips (for speeding git it up)?
> 
> (Since qvm-revert-template-changes works only on templates and can
> revert only to the previews state, not any after multiple VM restarts.)
> 
> (Previously posted here:)
> https://forums.whonix.org/t/qubes-vm-snapshots-using-git-svn
> 

What are the pros and cons of managing templates under Git (as opposed
to, say, manually `cp -r`ing a template directory)?

Pros of Git:
 * Organization (timestamps, metadata, commit messages, etc.)
 * Saves disk space? (can't be much, since Git has to store every
   distinct binary file)

Cons of Git:
 * Complex operations performed in dom0 (non-zero security risk)
 * A lot slower than `mv`

Is this accurate? Are there others?

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Re: [qubes-users] qubes wifi driver

[Andrew David Wong]

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On 2016-12-05 11:12, Alex wrote:
> On 12/05/2016 07:51 PM, rch6688...@gmail.com wrote:
>> How can I install the driver for Broadcom BCM4312 in Qubes?
>>
>> Difficult to install in dom0 because of no connectivty. Installing in
>> a Template VM not working; possibly the dom0 driver ssb is overriding
>> the Broadcom driver.
> You should not install the network device in dom0; you should install it
> in the netvm.
> 
> Long story short: try to install your drivers in the template you use
> for your netvm...
> 

Correct. I'm not sure about Broadcom (which historically has been highly
problematic on Qubes), but with a lot of Wi-Fi devices, your best bet is
to search with `dnf search ` and install the appropriate
package from the repo of your NetVM template's distro, if available.

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Re: [qubes-users] Shortcuts of PlayonLinux

[peter tseng]

Manuel Amador (Rudd-O)於 2016年12月5日星期一 UTC+8下午7時59分48秒寫道：
> On 12/05/2016 09:46 AM, peter tseng wrote:
> > I installed window applications by PlayonLinux and the shortcuts generated 
> > in /home/user/desktop. then I copy those shortcuts to 
> > /usr/share/applications but I can't see any of them in Add more shortcuts 
> > setting. I surely run qvm-sync-appmenus XXXVM. Any solution?
> 
> The destination directory — was it on the templatevm?
> 
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yes, it is templateVM where I installed window applications.

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Re: [qubes-users] Booting Xen directly from GRUB2 command line

[taii...@gmx.com]

Just as a heads up you can load a grub config file with "configfile 
(DRIVENAME,DRIVEPART)/blahblah/grub.cfg"


Great for testing pre-baking it in.

On 11/25/2016 07:37 PM, Duncan Guthrie wrote:

Hej folks,
I have installed Grub2 as my Coreboot payload, and now I want to boot Qubes 
from a USB drive.
Since I haven't made any changes to Grub2's default config, I am trying to boot 
Qubes from the command line Grub provides.
I do the following:
   set root=(usb0)
   linux /isolinux/vmlinuz
   initrd /isolinux/initrd.img
This is clearly wrong though as it boots without Xen, so when Qubes loads, the 
little bar only gets to halfway then it crashes into a rescue shell.
What I want to know is how I can boot Qubes from the Grub2 CLI then I can 
install it. I don't know the right commands.

D



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Re: [qubes-users] Re: Announcement: Qubes OS Begins Commercialization and Community Funding Efforts

[Grzesiek Chodzicki]

W dniu niedziela, 4 grudnia 2016 09:37:01 UTC+1 użytkownik Andrew David Wong 
napisał:
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> On 2016-12-03 05:07, Grzesiek Chodzicki wrote:
> > This is a wonderful idea, there are about 20k Qubes users out there, if we 
> > al give you guys an equivalent of Windows license price you should be set 
> > for a millenium. I'd also love to see some Qubes merchandise available to 
> > buy so I can up my swag game while simultaneously contributing funds.
> > 
> 
> Thanks! The merchandise ideas has been discussed internally, but we've 
> decided not to pursue that option at this time.
> 
> > Also, you forgot to post this to qubes-announce Andrew.
> > 
> 
> Didn't forget; qubes-announce is strictly for QSBs and new releases:
> 
> https://www.qubes-os.org/mailing-lists/#qubes-announce
> 
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My bad then.

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[qubes-users] Qubes VM snapshots using git / SVN

[Patrick Schleizer]

Has anyone used git / SVN on huge Qubes templates (in case they break
during upgrades or for development purposes) for snapshot / rollback
purposes and can can share some tips (for speeding git it up)?

(Since qvm-revert-template-changes works only on templates and can
revert only to the previews state, not any after multiple VM restarts.)

(Previously posted here:)
https://forums.whonix.org/t/qubes-vm-snapshots-using-git-svn

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Re: [qubes-users] AEM boot doesn't load serviceVM's since Xen 4.6.3

[Lorenzo Lamas]

On Sunday, December 4, 2016 at 10:27:19 PM UTC+1, Marek Marczykowski-Górecki 
wrote:
> What exactly you get when starting sys-net manually? Also, take a look
> at /var/log/libvirt/libxl/libxl-driver.log and
> /var/log/xen/console/hypervisor.log for any related messages. For
> example you can use `tail -f` while starting sys-net manually, to see
> what messages will show up there:
> 
> sudo tail -f /var/log/libvirt/libxl/libxl-driver.log

It says cannot create qrexec-daemon.
During boot it says "Failed to start Qubes NetVM startup" and "Failed to start 
Start Qubes VM sys-net"(and some more for the other serviceVMs)

This is the log from libxl-driver.log:

[user@dom0 ~]$ sudo tail -f /var/log/libvirt/libxl/libxl-driver.log
2016-12-05 17:24:33 CET libxl: error: libxl_pci.c:1047:libxl__device_pci_reset: 
The kernel doesn't support reset from sysfs for PCI device :23:00.0
2016-12-05 17:24:33 CET libxl: error: libxl_pci.c:1047:libxl__device_pci_reset: 
The kernel doesn't support reset from sysfs for PCI device :23:00.2
2016-12-05 17:24:43 CET libxl: error: 
libxl_device.c:1269:libxl__wait_for_backend: Backend 
/local/domain/0/backend/pci/4/0 not ready
2016-12-05 17:24:43 CET libxl: error: libxl_pci.c:1321:do_pci_remove: 
xc_physdev_unmap_pirq irq=16: Invalid argument
2016-12-05 17:24:54 CET libxl: error: 
libxl_device.c:1269:libxl__wait_for_backend: Backend 
/local/domain/0/backend/pci/4/0 not ready
2016-12-05 17:24:54 CET libxl: error: libxl_pci.c:1047:libxl__device_pci_reset: 
The kernel doesn't support reset from sysfs for PCI device :23:00.0
2016-12-05 17:25:04 CET libxl: error: 
libxl_device.c:1269:libxl__wait_for_backend: Backend 
/local/domain/0/backend/pci/4/0 not ready
2016-12-05 17:25:04 CET libxl: error: libxl_pci.c:1321:do_pci_remove: 
xc_physdev_unmap_pirq irq=18: Invalid argument
2016-12-05 17:25:04 CET libxl: error: libxl_pci.c:1047:libxl__device_pci_reset: 
The kernel doesn't support reset from sysfs for PCI device :23:00.2
2016-12-05 17:25:14 CET libxl: error: 
libxl_device.c:1269:libxl__wait_for_backend: Backend 
/local/domain/0/backend/pci/4/0 not ready
2016-12-05 17:29:34 CET libxl: error: 
libxl_device.c:1269:libxl__wait_for_backend: Backend 
/local/domain/0/backend/pci/5/0 not ready
2016-12-05 17:29:45 CET libxl: error: 
libxl_device.c:1269:libxl__wait_for_backend: Backend 
/local/domain/0/backend/pci/5/0 not ready

and hypervisor.log:
[user@dom0 ~]$ sudo tail -f /var/log/xen/console/hypervisor.log
(XEN) 81c03f30 81d53c6a 3e55772b4f5cc499
(XEN) 81c03f60 81c03f5c 
(XEN) 81c03f40 81d53339 81c03ff8
(XEN)81d56b96 000206a7 000103100800 1f898b75
(XEN)   
(XEN)   
(XEN)   
(XEN)   
(XEN)   00010102464c457f
(XEN) 0001003e0003 09b0 0040
(XEN) d6v0 Unhandled invalid opcode fault/trap [#6, ec=]
(XEN) domain_crash_sync called from entry.S: fault at 82d08022c643 
create_bounce_frame+0x12b/0x13a
(XEN) Domain 6 (vcpu#0) crashed on cpu#3:
(XEN) [ Xen-4.6.3  x86_64  debug=n  Not tainted ]
(XEN) CPU:3
(XEN) RIP:e033:[]
(XEN) RFLAGS: 0292   EM: 1   CONTEXT: pv guest (d6v0)
(XEN) rax:    rbx: 00012c00   rcx: 
(XEN) rdx: 81a3f810   rsi: 003f   rdi: 
(XEN) rbp: 81c03e70   rsp: 81c03da8   r8:  0011
(XEN) r9:  0168   r10: 0001   r11: 
(XEN) r12: 000a9b00   r13: 8000   r14: 000111d0
(XEN) r15: 0011   cr0: 80050033   cr4: 000426e0
(XEN) cr3: 000333409000   cr2: 
(XEN) ds:    es:    fs:    gs:    ss: e02b   cs: e033
(XEN) Guest stack trace from rsp=81c03da8:
(XEN)  81d57b3a 0001e030
(XEN)00010092 81c03de8 e02b 81d57b3a
(XEN)81df7920   81c03e10
(XEN)0001 00111d00 00012c00 12c0
(XEN)7ff081c03e88 0013 81dfc020 db3d2ed3ec447c09
(XEN)0100 81c03f00 81df7920 
(XEN) 81c03e88 81d5e406 0100
(XEN)81c03ef0 81d5bd08 0010 81c03f00
(XEN)81c03eb8 db3d2ed3ec447c09 697a696c61697469 db3d2ed3ec447c09
(XEN)  

Re: [qubes-users] qubes wifi driver

[Alex]

On 12/05/2016 07:51 PM, rch6688...@gmail.com wrote:
> How can I install the driver for Broadcom BCM4312 in Qubes?
> 
> Difficult to install in dom0 because of no connectivty. Installing in
> a Template VM not working; possibly the dom0 driver ssb is overriding
> the Broadcom driver.
You should not install the network device in dom0; you should install it
in the netvm.

Long story short: try to install your drivers in the template you use
for your netvm...

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[qubes-users] qubes wifi driver

[rch6688omg]

How can I install the driver for Broadcom BCM4312 in Qubes?

Difficult to install in dom0 because of no connectivty. Installing in a 
Template VM not working; possibly the dom0 driver ssb is overriding the 
Broadcom driver.

There is documentation about this online but it is old, sometimes obsolete and 
generally confusing. A clear, up-to-date explanation would be great.

Thanks

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[qubes-users] Re: Intel Wifi not detected in network manager debian net-vm

[Adrian Rocha]

Solved with:

https://groups.google.com/d/msg/qubes-users/BJRnCNcDtoo/QUXiHApxBQAJ

Regards

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[qubes-users] Intel Wifi not detected in network manager debian net-vm

[Adrian Rocha]

Hi,

I'm trying to setup a debian based net-vm, I assigned the hardware and 
installed the firmware, but the network manager doesn't see the interface.

user@sys-net:~$ ip a
1: lo:  mtu 65536 qdisc noqueue state UNKNOWN group 
default qlen 1
link/loopback 00:00:00:00:00:00 brd 00:00:00:00:00:00
inet 127.0.0.1/8 scope host lo
   valid_lft forever preferred_lft forever
inet6 ::1/128 scope host 
   valid_lft forever preferred_lft forever
user@sys-net:~$ lspci 
00:00.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation Wireless 7260 (rev 6b)
user@sys-net:~$ sudo modinfo iwlwifi 
filename:   
/lib/modules/4.4.31-11.pvops.qubes.x86_64/kernel/drivers/net/wireless/iwlwifi/iwlwifi.ko
license:GPL
author: Copyright(c) 2003- 2015 Intel Corporation 
description:Intel(R) Wireless WiFi driver for Linux
firmware:   iwlwifi-100-5.ucode
firmware:   iwlwifi-1000-5.ucode
firmware:   iwlwifi-135-6.ucode
firmware:   iwlwifi-105-6.ucode
firmware:   iwlwifi-2030-6.ucode
firmware:   iwlwifi-2000-6.ucode
firmware:   iwlwifi-5150-2.ucode
firmware:   iwlwifi-5000-5.ucode
firmware:   iwlwifi-6000g2b-6.ucode
firmware:   iwlwifi-6000g2a-5.ucode
firmware:   iwlwifi-6050-5.ucode
firmware:   iwlwifi-6000-4.ucode
firmware:   iwlwifi-7265D-13.ucode
firmware:   iwlwifi-7265-13.ucode
firmware:   iwlwifi-3160-13.ucode
firmware:   iwlwifi-7260-13.ucode
firmware:   iwlwifi-8000-13.ucode
...

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Re: [qubes-users] Persistent audio issues in a particular appvm (Qubes 3.1)

[Marek Marczykowski-Górecki]

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On Mon, Dec 05, 2016 at 05:19:23AM -0800, Jonathan Diamond wrote:
> When I check the pulseaudio daemon on "development" after boot it isn't 
> running, if I start it manually (pulseaudio --start) I see a "Dummy Output" 
> device in the sound settings (previously nothing would have been there) but 
> still no audio  will play.  

If you want to start pulseaudio manually in the VM, use
start-pulseaudio-with-vchan command.

> If I move the "development" private storage to one of the working Fedora-23 
> appvms e.g. I overwrite the private.img of "personal" with the "development" 
> private.img audio stops working there as well (I tried clearing down the 
> .config/pulse directory under the users home but it didn't help, I'm not sure 
> what other user state there could be). 

Take a look at ~/.xsession-errors - maybe pulseaudion fails to start for
some other reason. Also take a look at `journalctl` output when it
fails.
 
> Can anyone provide any more suggestions, particullarly perhaps how the "Qubes 
> VCHAN Sink" is provided? or maybe I am kicking pulseaudio incorrectly and 
> there is a better way etc? 

There is 'module-vchan-sink' providing it. start-pulseaudio-with-vchan
script take care of loading the right module.

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Marek Marczykowski-Górecki
Invisible Things Lab
A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text.
Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
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Re: [qubes-users] Re: Install on Dell XPS 13 (9350)

[miaoski]

Hi.

A simple solution is to use PCIe permissive mode, which weakens device 
isolation.
Please refer to "PCI passthrough issues" of 
https://www.qubes-os.org/doc/assigning-devices/

Although there is a dmesg saying
[2.411487] brcmfmac :00:00.0: Direct firmware load for 
brcm/brcmfmac4350-pcie.txt failed with error -2

wlan0 works as expected.

Thanks,
miaoski.

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Re: [qubes-users] Re: Install on Dell XPS 13 (9350)

[miaoski]

It's very weird that "SB chip is not supported" showed in dmesg.
According to 
http://lxr.free-electrons.com/source/drivers/net/wireless/broadcom/brcm80211/brcmfmac/chip.c#L932
 , it shows only when socitype == SOCI_SB and chip is not BCM4329.  Given the 
chip is BCM4350, socitype should not be SB.

But I'm not good at driver debugging ... Help is much appreciated.

Thanks,
miaoski.

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[qubes-users] Re: Issues with debian-8 qrexec service

[jkitt]

Fixed.

Quoting marmarek:

"Missing libxen-4.6 update seems to be the cause, just uploaded the update. 
Also, enabling testing repository should be enough (the package was there, but 
I missed uploading it to stable).

So, to fix the issue - start the template, access its console (sudo xl console 
debian-8) and install updates (sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get -V 
dist-upgrade)."

Thanks!

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[qubes-users] Persistent audio issues in a particular appvm (Qubes 3.1)

[Jonathan Diamond]

Hi,

I have looked at similar audio issue posts and whilst some are similar none 
seem to provide any answers to my problem.

I have an appvm based on a Fedora-23 template, I also have other appvms e.g. 
the "personal" and "untrusted" vms based off the same template.

The "personal" vm I can boot and play audio without issues, the "development" 
vm will not play any audio at all this appears to be a pulseaudio issue (this 
hasn't always been the case it was working fine about a week ago and I cannot 
think of what changed).  

When I check the pulseaudio daemon on "development" after boot it isn't 
running, if I start it manually (pulseaudio --start) I see a "Dummy Output" 
device in the sound settings (previously nothing would have been there) but 
still no audio  will play.  

The fact that audio doesn't work after restarting pulseaudio isn't really a 
surprise because even on vm with working audio ("personal") if I run 
"pulseaudio -k" followed by "pulseaudio --start" I find that I have lost audio 
there as well. Following the restart of pulseaudo the output device is always 
displayed as "Dummy Output" whereas when it is working it is displayed as 
"Qubes VCHAN Sink". 

If I move the "development" private storage to one of the working Fedora-23 
appvms e.g. I overwrite the private.img of "personal" with the "development" 
private.img audio stops working there as well (I tried clearing down the 
.config/pulse directory under the users home but it didn't help, I'm not sure 
what other user state there could be). 

When the audio isn't working I cannot attach audio devices to the vm in qubes 
manager which is the easiest way to spot the problem has occurred.

It's not the first time I've had this issue but it has always gone away in the 
past, this time however it seems more persistent. All appvm settings are the 
same e.g. devices etc.

Can anyone provide any more suggestions, particullarly perhaps how the "Qubes 
VCHAN Sink" is provided? or maybe I am kicking pulseaudio incorrectly and there 
is a better way etc? 

Obviosuly I could migrate my private storage away from the vm in question and 
trash it but I'm hoping something can be learnt from this problem.

Thanks for any help.

Jon



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Re: [qubes-users] Shortcuts of PlayonLinux

[Manuel Amador (Rudd-O)]

On 12/05/2016 09:46 AM, peter tseng wrote:
> I installed window applications by PlayonLinux and the shortcuts generated in 
> /home/user/desktop. then I copy those shortcuts to /usr/share/applications 
> but I can't see any of them in Add more shortcuts setting. I surely run 
> qvm-sync-appmenus XXXVM. Any solution?

The destination directory — was it on the templatevm?

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Re: [qubes-users] Re: Asus Transformer 3 Pro T303UA, Thunderbolt issues

[Benjamin Richter]

Am Sonntag, 4. Dezember 2016 22:59:28 UTC+1 schrieb Marek Marczykowski-Górecki:
> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
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> 
> On Sun, Dec 04, 2016 at 12:18:23AM -0800, Benjamin Richter wrote:
> > Am Sonntag, 4. Dezember 2016 01:33:31 UTC+1 schrieb Marek 
> > Marczykowski-Górecki:
> > 
> > > > I've attached the ethernet dongle to the same port as the logitech 
> > > > keyboard, but it does not show up anywhere.
> > > 
> > > If you see the device in dom0 in some configuration, take a look at its
> > > sysfs path - it will have a hint on which controller is it. Like this:
> > > lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 0 Dec  4 01:32 /sys/bus/usb/devices/3-1 ->
> > > ../../../devices/pci-0/pci:00/:00:02.0/usb3/3-1
> > > 
> > > - -- 
> > > Best Regards,
> > > Marek Marczykowski-Górecki
> > > Invisible Things Lab
> > > A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text.
> > > Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
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> > That's really quite clear, here's a lsusb output from dom0 with both usb 
> > controllers. Here the ASIX and Realtek ethernet deivces show up on bus 004.
> > 
> > Bus 004 Device 004: ID 0b95:1790 ASIX Electronics Corp. AX88179 Gigabit 
> > Ethernet
> > Bus 004 Device 005: ID 0bda:8153 Realtek Semiconductor Corp. 
> > Bus 004 Device 003: ID 05e3:0620 Genesys Logic, Inc. 
> > Bus 004 Device 002: ID 05e3:0620 Genesys Logic, Inc. 
> > Bus 004 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0003 Linux Foundation 3.0 root hub
> > Bus 003 Device 004: ID 046d:c51e Logitech, Inc. 
> > Bus 003 Device 007: ID 1e4e:0898 Cubeternet 
> > Bus 003 Device 006: ID 0572:1703 Conexant Systems (Rockwell), Inc. 
> > Bus 003 Device 003: ID 05e3:0610 Genesys Logic, Inc. 4-port hub
> > Bus 003 Device 002: ID 05e3:0610 Genesys Logic, Inc. 4-port hub
> > Bus 003 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub
> > Bus 002 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0003 Linux Foundation 3.0 root hub
> > Bus 001 Device 004: ID 0b05:1838 ASUSTek Computer, Inc. 
> > Bus 001 Device 003: ID 8087:0a2a Intel Corp. 
> > Bus 001 Device 002: ID 04f2:b5b1 Chicony Electronics Co., Ltd 
> > Bus 001 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub
> > 
> > lsusb of dom0 after attaching the controller to sys-net:
> > Bus 002 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0003 Linux Foundation 3.0 root hub
> > Bus 001 Device 004: ID 0b05:1838 ASUSTek Computer, Inc. 
> > Bus 001 Device 003: ID 8087:0a2a Intel Corp. 
> > Bus 001 Device 002: ID 04f2:b5b1 Chicony Electronics Co., Ltd 
> > Bus 001 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub
> > 
> > and of sys-net:
> > sudo lsusb
> > Bus 001 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub
> > Bus 003 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0003 Linux Foundation 3.0 root hub
> > Bus 002 Device 004: ID 046d:c51e Logitech, Inc. 
> > Bus 002 Device 006: ID 1e4e:0898 Cubeternet 
> > Bus 002 Device 005: ID 0572:1703 Conexant Systems (Rockwell), Inc. 
> > Bus 002 Device 003: ID 05e3:0610 Genesys Logic, Inc. 4-port hub
> > Bus 002 Device 002: ID 05e3:0610 Genesys Logic, Inc. 4-port hub
> > Bus 002 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub
> > 
> > The Logitech keyboard attached to the docking station is there, but neither 
> > the asix dongle nor the docks ethernet port show up. It seems dom0s usb bus 
> > 004 got lost somewhere.
> > Interestingly, if I switch the ethernet dongle and the logitech keyboard, 
> > the keyboard shows up on another port, but the dongle does not show up.
> > 
> > I have no idea what's going on.
> 
> It looks like none of devices from that bus show up (just root hub).
> Anything interesting in dmesg there? I'd recommend looking for more than
> just "grep usb" - for example some messages may contain only xhci, or
> just pci BDF.
> 
> - -- 
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[qubes-users] Shortcuts of PlayonLinux

[peter tseng]

I installed window applications by PlayonLinux and the shortcuts generated in 
/home/user/desktop. then I copy those shortcuts to /usr/share/applications but 
I can't see any of them in Add more shortcuts setting. I surely run 
qvm-sync-appmenus XXXVM. Any solution?

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Re: [qubes-users] Newbie surprises

[Andrew David Wong]

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On 2016-12-05 00:57, Alex wrote:
> On 12/05/2016 09:40 AM, Zbigniew Łukasiak wrote:
>> 2. The suspend button activates a popup that says:
>>
>> "Do you want to suspend to RAM?"
>>
>> This is a bit confusing - I thought that suspension saves the RAM
>> onto the disk, not in the opposite direction.
> There has always been a lot of confusion with this, but usually:
> - suspend means to RAM
> - hibernation means to disk
> Different systems may have confusing wording.. Even Windows has a story
> of changing the meaning of sleep/suspend/hibernate.
> 

To expand a bit on this: Xen supports only suspending to RAM. It does not
support suspending to disk (hibernation).

>> 3. Initially I did not understand how can I change the templates. I 
>> thought that to have additional software or to make any special 
>> configuration in a template I need to create a new template and I 
>> started reading the documentation at 
>> https://www.qubes-os.org/doc/qubes-builder/ - that was really 
>> confusing. There are also additional questions that the docs don't 
>> answer, like if the changes in the template will be visible in a vm 
>> based on it and if yes - then when?
> You can simply boot the template: it will start with its root in
> read-write, and then you can add software and shut the VM down.
> 
> After you start (or re-start) any AppVM based on that template you will
> find the software installed. This happens even if you install it
> manually (e.g. by copying something in /opt).
> 
> If you want to try the software before you actually install it, boot an
> AppVM out of your template: according to the summary above, you will be
> able to do "sudo dnf install xyz" and try it out, but everything out of
> /home and /usr/local will be gone after a reboot.
> 

In addition, take a look at this:

https://www.qubes-os.org/doc/templates/#important-notes

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Re: [qubes-users] Issues with debian-8 qrexec service

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On 2016-12-04 21:26, jkitt wrote:
> I'm not 100% that this is the issue but I'm having troubles running anything 
> with qvm-run on a Debian-8 template/app-vms. This happened after a recent 
> upgrade. Fedora template/app-vms are working fine after some initiation 
> problems (I have to killall qrexec-client in dom0 - possibly because it's 
> hanging)
> 
> Right now I can't run anything, and I don't know if it's related, or an 
> unrelated bug (as I've seen it previous), but the qubes manager indicated 
> remains yellow on debian based VMs.
> 
> I struggle to give you all the information you probably need - I don't know 
> much about Xen or Xen tools.
> 
> Thanks.
> 

Tracking issue with (probably) the same root cause:

https://github.com/QubesOS/qubes-issues/issues/2484

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Re: [qubes-users] Newbie surprises

[Alex]

On 12/05/2016 09:40 AM, Zbigniew Łukasiak wrote:
> Here is a list of stuff that I got into trouble trying out Qubes. I
> am a long time Linux user (since 1993) - so I know a bit about the
> Linux environment - but I never liked administration stuff.
Welcome to Qubes!

As you have noticed, this is hardly a typical linux system... Before
checking your questions, a few guidelines for interpretation:

- everything happens in virtual machines, which brings with it the fact
that device sharing is (intentionally, for increased security) hard

- there is a "super" vm, called dom0, which represents your physical
system (e.g. it has, by default, all the physical devices and contains
disk images for all other VMs)

- some of these virtual machine are read-only-like (anything but
templates and dom0), in the sense that only part of the filesystem is
persisted. The other part, while writable, will be reset to the
"template" master copy on reboot

- a lot of things work the linux way, with the added complexity of
having several VM at once (with intermixed windows) and something
readonly on many filesystems


> 1. Immediately after installation I wanted to add USB headphones to 
> the personal vm and I went into Devices configuration of that vm and
> I added all lines with USB to the vm. I don't remember if it froze 
> immediately or maybe after a reboot of the vm - but I've got 
> completely cut off from the top level Qubes system. Fortunately a
> hard reboot fixed the problem.
By assigning devices via the Devices configuration you are moving them
away from dom0. If some of these devices are needed for dom0 to work
(say, you have a USB keyboard/mouse) then it'll look like the system has
freezed.

By using the Devices configuration you can only move PCI (or any other
single-virtualizable) devices: this means that you cannot move a single
USB device, but only a single USB controller (and all its USB device
tree) at once. This is a limitation of hardware virtualization
technologies: they typically work only with discrete PCI devices.

Some USB devices can be proxied from the VM that holds the USB
controllers to specific AppVMs using qvm-usb (after having the usb proxy
arrangement set up)

> 
> 2. The suspend button activates a popup that says:
> 
> "Do you want to suspend to RAM?"
> 
> This is a bit confusing - I thought that suspension saves the RAM
> onto the disk, not in the opposite direction.
There has always been a lot of confusion with this, but usually:
- suspend means to RAM
- hibernation means to disk
Different systems may have confusing wording.. Even Windows has a story
of changing the meaning of sleep/suspend/hibernate.

> 3. Initially I did not understand how can I change the templates. I 
> thought that to have additional software or to make any special 
> configuration in a template I need to create a new template and I 
> started reading the documentation at 
> https://www.qubes-os.org/doc/qubes-builder/ - that was really 
> confusing. There are also additional questions that the docs don't 
> answer, like if the changes in the template will be visible in a vm 
> based on it and if yes - then when?
You can simply boot the template: it will start with its root in
read-write, and then you can add software and shut the VM down.

After you start (or re-start) any AppVM based on that template you will
find the software installed. This happens even if you install it
manually (e.g. by copying something in /opt).

If you want to try the software before you actually install it, boot an
AppVM out of your template: according to the summary above, you will be
able to do "sudo dnf install xyz" and try it out, but everything out of
/home and /usr/local will be gone after a reboot.

> 
> 4. I still don't really understand how the keyboard configuration 
> works. What worked for me to have Polish letters in a vm was to set
> it up both in the top level environment (System Tools > Settings
> Manager
>> Keyboard) and in the vm (setxkbmap pl). Initially I spent a lot of
> time in trying to do it only in the vm - but it failed in mysterious 
> ways.
You can set a default layout for dom0, and you can set a layout for each
VM from the VM Manager (right click on a VM, set keyboard layout). This
can be done from dom0 shell too.

Qubes tools will make sure the layout that's been set from the VM
manager is set on reboot.

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Re: [qubes-users] Issues with debian-8 qrexec service

[Andrew David Wong]

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On 2016-12-04 21:26, jkitt wrote:
> I'm not 100% that this is the issue but I'm having troubles running anything 
> with qvm-run on a Debian-8 template/app-vms. This happened after a recent 
> upgrade. Fedora template/app-vms are working fine after some initiation 
> problems (I have to killall qrexec-client in dom0 - possibly because it's 
> hanging)
> 
> Right now I can't run anything, and I don't know if it's related, or an 
> unrelated bug (as I've seen it previous), but the qubes manager indicated 
> remains yellow on debian based VMs.
> 
> I struggle to give you all the information you probably need - I don't know 
> much about Xen or Xen tools.
> 
> Thanks.
> 

You may want to try qvm-revert-template-changes:

https://www.qubes-os.org/doc/dom0-tools/qvm-revert-template-changes/

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[qubes-users] Re: [qubes-devel] Re: Announcement: Qubes OS Begins Commercialization and Community Funding Efforts

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On 2016-12-04 13:50, Patrick Bouldin wrote:
> Andrew,
> 
> I'm very willing to donate - and well noted that you all will continue to 
> update the core changes in the public domain. I do understand the why, the 
> what and the dollars for the change - however, will there be anyone left to 
> work on the core, for the sake of the core? Just wondering where the donation 
> dollars will be going. I ask because I agree with the person noting 20,000 
> current licenses. If we all sent in $100 US each then that's $2 million US. 
> 
> Is it possible to set up some separation of funding to ensure each group is 
> getting what they want? Set up the public funding better with separate 
> marketing, and let that fund improvements for the public domain (not just 
> maintenance and slight core improvements) - and then fund your corporate 
> goals using the methods you mentioned.
> 
> As a relatively new user I'm concerned about investing more time in this and 
> it not progressing.
> 
> Thanks,
> Patrick
> Dallas, Texas
> 

As mentioned in the announcement, all donations made via Open Collective will 
be paid directly to developers who have been hired to work on the open source 
edition of Qubes. ITL will not see or benefit from any of that money. All from 
donated funds should be transparently visible to everyone on our Open 
Collective page.

Does this address your concern?

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Re: [qubes-users] Where is Chrome once installed?

[Andrew David Wong]

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On 2016-12-04 12:58, Patrick Bouldin wrote:
> Hi, newbie question.
> 
> I am using 3.2 and an HP I7 processor.
> 
> I created a Fedora VM. I wanted to run a Chrome browser, so I used Firefox to 
> download and save in the Fedora VM file section, where I installed Chrome. 
> Then it asks if I want to run it, and I do - no problem. However, I don't see 
> a way to actually launch Chrome anywhere (other than when it asks me after 
> installing). No trace of Chrome anywhere.
> 
> Any help is appreciated.
> 
> Thanks,
> Patrick
> 

I recommend that you install it from the repo instead. In your template, issue:

$ sudo dnf install --enablerepo=google-chrome google-chrome-stable

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[qubes-users] Newbie surprises

[Zbigniew Łukasiak]

Here is a list of stuff that I got into trouble trying out Qubes. I am
a long time Linux user (since 1993) - so I know a bit about the Linux
environment - but I never liked administration stuff.

This is just a list - I guess I did a lot of silly things, and I don't
suggest that the system should make it impossible to do that. But I
hope that it might inspire someone to make it a little bit less
probably that newbies get lost :)

1. Immediately after installation I wanted to add USB headphones to
the personal vm and I went into Devices configuration of that vm and I
added all lines with USB to the vm. I don't remember if it froze
immediately or maybe after a reboot of the vm - but I've got
completely cut off from the top level Qubes system. Fortunately a hard
reboot fixed the problem.

2. The suspend button activates a popup that says:

"Do you want to suspend to RAM?"

This is a bit confusing - I thought that suspension saves the RAM onto
the disk, not in the opposite direction.

3. Initially I did not understand how can I change the templates. I
thought that to have additional software or to make any special
configuration in a template I need to create a new template and I
started reading the documentation at
https://www.qubes-os.org/doc/qubes-builder/ - that was really
confusing. There are also additional questions that the docs don't
answer, like if the changes in the template will be visible in a vm
based on it and if yes - then when?

4. I still don't really understand how the keyboard configuration
works. What worked for me to have Polish letters in a vm was to set it
up both in the top level environment (System Tools > Settings Manager
> Keyboard) and in the vm (setxkbmap pl). Initially I spent a lot of
time in trying to do it only in the vm - but it failed in mysterious
ways.


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[qubes-users] Re: Issues with debian-8 qrexec service

[jkitt]

On Monday, 5 December 2016 05:26:04 UTC, jkitt  wrote:
> I'm not 100% that this is the issue but I'm having troubles running anything 
> with qvm-run on a Debian-8 template/app-vms. This happened after a recent 
> upgrade. Fedora template/app-vms are working fine after some initiation 
> problems (I have to killall qrexec-client in dom0 - possibly because it's 
> hanging)
> 
> Right now I can't run anything, and I don't know if it's related, or an 
> unrelated bug (as I've seen it previous), but the qubes manager indicated 
> remains yellow on debian based VMs.
> 
> I struggle to give you all the information you probably need - I don't know 
> much about Xen or Xen tools.
> 
> Thanks.

typo: indicated = indicator.

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