[qubes-users] 4 monitors, 3 output types, 2 graphics chips and not getting to show up on all 4 monitors

2018-05-11 Thread Stumpy
I have finally gotten around to re-tackling my 
multi-monitor/multi-graphics chip issue.
I have decided to try booting a few different live distributions to see 
what happened, here is what I have in terms of hardware:
Four monitors, 2 HPs 2 Dells. HPs are in landscape position, Dells are 
in Portrait position

The monitors accept VGA, HDMI, and DP
One chipset is on a graphics card, and is an AMD Radeon HD 6570 1GB DDR3 
PCIe x16 - 1 DVI and 2 DP out ports (I think it came out around 
2013ish?)

The other is an integrated intel chipset - 1 HDMI and 1 DVI out ports

Qubes 3.2 isntalled

Live distros I have tried:
Fedora workstation 28
Fedora workstation 27
Xubuntu 18.04
Kubuntu 18.04
Fedora KDE 28
Mint xfce 18.3
CentOS GNOME 1708
CentOS KDE 1708

Results so far:
Qubes 3.2, installed: All 4 monitors "light up", getting some sort of 
signal i guess, but the one with DP in will not show anything, just like 
one half of that screen is light, the other dark. I can't get the two 
Dells two rotate to poitrat mode. Strangely I don't get icons on any of 
the menus now. A few times I was able to go to "Display" and try to 
rotate the displays but when I did the DP display would go nuts and show 
something like still static... or something, and now when I try to bring 
up "display" it comes up then instantly turns off... hence, I am not 
able to access the display window gui. Am not sure about if there is a 
command line option. And something I just found out, my power saving 
kicked in and on the monitor which shows nothing (Dell, poitrait, with 
DP in plug) was the only one that would show me a login...



Fedora workstation 28
First, really buggy, made it hard to use, I am not sure if it was my 
setup or what *BUT* _all 4 displays worked_, until I started messing 
with the display option to arrange and rotate them into a usable 
configuration. Moving the tiny little display icons around was a 
challenge as they kept "slipping" and not moving where I was trying to 
drag them. I could get them into position (not rotated) but then I would 
move my mouse like to the edge of the screen and crash, back at the 
loggin, which would automatically then take me to a "welcome to fedora" 
window. At which point I am not able to reopen the settings/display box 
(just does nothing when I click on settings).


Mint xfce 18.3
While mint was more stable, the arranging of the monitors in the 
position I wanted was just as diffiult as Fed28. And like Fed28 
eventually the display option window was... no longer an option, it 
would instantly crash after trying to open it, not sure what would cause 
that. Though, like fed28, all 4 displays "showed up" I just could not 
arrange them into a usable configuration and the more I tried the less 
stable the display program/window got.


Kubuntu 18.04
With Kubuntu, one of the main things I noticed was it flashing a message 
"Firmware Bug: TSC_DEADLINE disabled due to Errata; please update 
microcode to version 0x22 (or later)" maybe this is part of the problem? 
... regardless, I have no idea how to do that... pointers?
Next, when booting up, the Dell w/ DP in was flashing... funny, the 
flashing kubuntu icon on that display wasn't displaying properly. I 
tried rebooting and then it just crashed, didn't even get to a gui


Fedora workstation 27
Got the same firmware error from Fed 27, that and I could not even get 
to a GUI first (second, third, etc tries). And something I had not 
encountered before, when I tried rebooting it would reboot back into the 
same frozen screen, even when I turned the comp off (removing the usb 
flash and shuting off then turning on resolved that).


Fedora KDE 28
similar firmware error. asked for login from the start? Couldn't find 
any hint of what it might be on the net.  bizarre, moot here though I 
guess.


Xubuntu 18.04
Went great... until it didn't. Booted up fine, but then when I tried to 
rearrange the displays it logged me out, apparently paswd was ubuntu. 
next time I tried booting xbuntu live, when it went to the gui booting 
screen 3 of the 4 displays looked ok, but the Dell DP display was off in 
terms of color, after that... the two HPs just had a blinking cursor, 
and the two dells kept blinking the firmware error that most of the 
distros are giving me, couldn't get any further.


CentOS GNOME 1708
Booted up nicely enough. Was able to arrange the two HP (integrated 
intel gfx) no problem, the Dells were not on by default in the settings, 
when I tried enabling them, they went to like a strange static display 
of rainbow noise if that make sense. Didn't matter if I tried to set the 
two dells (secondary gfx card) to mirror, primary, secondary... nada, 
except static.


CentOS KDE 1708
Started up recognizing all 4 displays... kinda, the two Dells, connected 
to the external AMD gfx card showed up with the same rainbow noise that 
happened in CentOS GNOME. Here they were recognized right off, in costos 
gnome I had to enable the two dells. Even though 

Re: [qubes-users] 4 monitors, 3 output types, 2 graphics chips and not getting to show up on all 4 monitors

2018-05-12 Thread awokd
On Sat, May 12, 2018 4:10 am, Stumpy wrote:
> I have finally gotten around to re-tackling my
> multi-monitor/multi-graphics chip issue.
> I have decided to try booting a few different live distributions to see
> what happened, here is what I have in terms of hardware:
> Four monitors, 2 HPs 2 Dells. HPs are in landscape position, Dells are
> in Portrait position
> The monitors accept VGA, HDMI, and DP
> One chipset is on a graphics card, and is an AMD Radeon HD 6570 1GB DDR3
> PCIe x16 - 1 DVI and 2 DP out ports (I think it came out around
> 2013ish?)
> The other is an integrated intel chipset - 1 HDMI and 1 DVI out ports

Try to narrow down the problem. It might be hardware, like your graphics
chips might not have enough memory to drive all the monitors.
- What happens if you only use 2 monitors on a single adapter? Try both
adapters alone.
- DP monitor by itself?
- Windows 7?


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Re: [qubes-users] 4 monitors, 3 output types, 2 graphics chips and not getting to show up on all 4 monitors

2018-05-12 Thread Stumpy

On 2018-05-12 19:05, awokd wrote:

On Sat, May 12, 2018 4:10 am, Stumpy wrote:

I have finally gotten around to re-tackling my
multi-monitor/multi-graphics chip issue.
I have decided to try booting a few different live distributions to 
see

what happened, here is what I have in terms of hardware:
Four monitors, 2 HPs 2 Dells. HPs are in landscape position, Dells are
in Portrait position
The monitors accept VGA, HDMI, and DP
One chipset is on a graphics card, and is an AMD Radeon HD 6570 1GB 
DDR3

PCIe x16 - 1 DVI and 2 DP out ports (I think it came out around
2013ish?)
The other is an integrated intel chipset - 1 HDMI and 1 DVI out ports


Try to narrow down the problem. It might be hardware, like your 
graphics

chips might not have enough memory to drive all the monitors.
- What happens if you only use 2 monitors on a single adapter? Try both
adapters alone.
- DP monitor by itself?
- Windows 7?


Thanks for the reply.
In testing other distros I was hoping to narrow it down, but I am still 
not sure, really not hip on trying win7 (or others) as I don't have a 
copy laying around, and linux live distros are so much easier ;)
In some of the live distros I tried, I was able to get a display on all 
4 monitors so I am thinking mem isn't the problem (flawed reasoning?)
If I try two displays on the integrated adapter then those two work, 
more or less without a hitch.
Some of the distros don't seem to like my (external) graphics card at 
all, and some just seem to take issue with the the monitor connected via 
DP (I have also tried a DP to DVI adapter I had laying around, nada 
still issues).


I have now tried installing Qbes v4 onto a usb flash drive. The xfce 
display window was the least buggy compared with most of the distros, 
but it seems Qubes 4 doesn't like my graphics card... or something. The 
two Dells connected to the exernal graphics card are showing that 
multiucolored static no matter what configuation I try (ie rotating, 
mirror [which worked well for many of the distros], primary display 
etc).


So I am left with the possibility that its the graphics card but as some 
of the other distros worked I was hoping that was the wrong 
assumption... or maybe I am thinking about it wrong, maybe its xen that 
doesn't like the gfx card? (which is the only thing I can think of that 
*all* the distros did not have).


I am desprate to get a multi display option working, so am willing to 
get another gfx card but as I can't keep doing that I need to be sure 
next time.


Thoughts?

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Re: [qubes-users] 4 monitors, 3 output types, 2 graphics chips and not getting to show up on all 4 monitors

2018-05-13 Thread awokd
On Sat, May 12, 2018 11:44 pm, Stumpy wrote:

> I have now tried installing Qbes v4 onto a usb flash drive. The xfce
> display window was the least buggy compared with most of the distros,
> but it seems Qubes 4 doesn't like my graphics card... or something. The
> two Dells connected to the exernal graphics card are showing that
> multiucolored static no matter what configuation I try (ie rotating,
> mirror [which worked well for many of the distros], primary display
> etc).

What if you try Qubes with only the AMD adapter? It usually works well
with the older ones (pre-Vega). Is it only when you use both adapters at
the same time? I'm wondering if some distros default to a lower colour
depth/refresh rate.

> So I am left with the possibility that its the graphics card but as some
> of the other distros worked I was hoping that was the wrong
> assumption... or maybe I am thinking about it wrong, maybe its xen that
> doesn't like the gfx card? (which is the only thing I can think of that
> *all* the distros did not have).
>
> I am desprate to get a multi display option working, so am willing to
> get another gfx card but as I can't keep doing that I need to be sure
> next time.

Makes sense.

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