Re: Re: [qubes-users] How does dropbox know that I‘m using qubes?

2019-06-20 Thread brendan . hoar
On Thursday, June 20, 2019 at 5:16:28 AM UTC-4, cy...@protonmail.com wrote:
> Any other suggestions how servers can determine the client kernel version 
> when browsing with the pre-installed fedora browser?

Does the template have flash installed? Actionscript's OS.Capabilities can 
readout the linux kernel version, I think.

Brendan

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Fwd: Re: [qubes-users] How does dropbox know that I‘m using qubes?

2019-06-20 Thread cycle via qubes-users
> -- Weitergeleitete Nachricht --
> Von: Claudia
> Datum: Ein Di., Juni 18, 2019 um 07:18
> Betreff: Fwd: Re: [qubes-users] How does dropbox know that I‘m using qubes?
> An: , 
> CC:
> Stefan Schlott:
>> On 6/18/19 12:39 PM, cycle via qubes-users wrote:
>>
>>> recently I logged in into dropbox with a browser from my qubes box and
>>> had to confirm my login. Afterwards I got a mail saying that there was
>>> an login attempt from:
>>>
>>> *Desktop-Client Linux 4.14.116-1.pvops.qubes.x86_64
>>>
>>> *How can I avoid that this information is send to servers? Is it part of
>>> the http header?
>>
>> My guess: You have the Dropbox sync client installed.
>> "4.14.116-1.pvops.qubes.x86_64" is part of the kernel id - you can see
>> it for yourself using "uname -a".
>>
>>
>> Stefan.
>>
>
> Something you could try, if Dropbox is indeed using uname(2) to get this
> info, is editing the systemd service file to lock down the Dropbox
> process (see systemd.exec(5) man page). I'm thinking something along the
> lines of
> SystemCallFilter=~uname:EPERM
> but there's a good chance Dropbox will just crash, depending on how good
> its error handling is.
>
> If Dropbox can't handle an error from uname, you may be able to find or
> write something that fakes it by way of LD_PRELOAD.

>

I don‘t think it‘s an dropbox client issue. I received the e-mail with this 
kernel statement when I logged in from a dvm with no dropbox installed. That‘s 
why I‘m thinking that the dropbox web server somehow extract that info from my 
browser requests.

Any other suggestions how servers can determine the client kernel version when 
browsing with the pre-installed fedora browser?

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Re: [qubes-users] How does dropbox know that I‘m using qubes?

2019-06-19 Thread Claudia

Stefan Schlott:

On 6/18/19 12:39 PM, cycle via qubes-users wrote:


recently I logged in into dropbox with a browser from my qubes box and
had to confirm my login. Afterwards I got a mail saying that there was
an login attempt from:

*Desktop-Client Linux 4.14.116-1.pvops.qubes.x86_64

*How can I avoid that this information is send to servers? Is it part of
the http header?


My guess: You have the Dropbox sync client installed.
"4.14.116-1.pvops.qubes.x86_64" is part of the kernel id - you can see
it for yourself using "uname -a".


Stefan.



Something you could try, if Dropbox is indeed using uname(2) to get this 
info, is editing the systemd service file to lock down the Dropbox 
process (see systemd.exec(5) man page). I'm thinking something along the 
lines of

SystemCallFilter=~uname:EPERM
but there's a good chance Dropbox will just crash, depending on how good 
its error handling is.


If Dropbox can't handle an error from uname, you may be able to find or 
write something that fakes it by way of LD_PRELOAD. Sort of like 
libfaketime, but for uname instead of time. I thought I remembered 
something about torsocks being able to do this, but I looked and didn't 
see anything about uname in the man pages.


Note: you may also want to hide some files from the process, for example
InaccessiblePaths=/proc/sys/kernel/osrelease

In addition, there are probably tons of other ways a program can find 
out this information and other Qubes-identifying stuff. So it may take 
some trial and error, and it may not apply to a wide range of other 
programs.


If you really want to get down and dirty, you can try running it through 
strace and find out exactly where it's getting what info from.


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Re: [qubes-users] How does dropbox know that I‘m using qubes?

2019-06-18 Thread Stefan Schlott
On 6/18/19 12:39 PM, cycle via qubes-users wrote:

> recently I logged in into dropbox with a browser from my qubes box and
> had to confirm my login. Afterwards I got a mail saying that there was
> an login attempt from:
> 
> *Desktop-Client Linux 4.14.116-1.pvops.qubes.x86_64
> 
> *How can I avoid that this information is send to servers? Is it part of
> the http header? 

My guess: You have the Dropbox sync client installed.
"4.14.116-1.pvops.qubes.x86_64" is part of the kernel id - you can see
it for yourself using "uname -a".


Stefan.

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[qubes-users] How does dropbox know that I‘m using qubes?

2019-06-18 Thread cycle via qubes-users
Hi,

recently I logged in into dropbox with a browser from my qubes box and had to 
confirm my login. Afterwards I got a mail saying that there was an login 
attempt from:

Desktop-Client Linux 4.14.116-1.pvops.qubes.x86_64

How can I avoid that this information is send to servers? Is it part of the 
http header?
Txs - Eva

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