[qubes-users] Re: Graphics card problem with Intel HD Graphics 530

2017-01-31 Thread Opal Raava
On Monday, January 30, 2017 at 11:54:15 PM UTC+1, Opal Raava wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> I've been running QUbes OS for a while, an I built a new PC with an intel 
> i5-6500 cpu and intel hd graphics 530 card. When I just install fedora25 
> workstation on it, the graphics look cool, 3d is fast enouhg. When I boot 
> from the disk of my old computer the screen gets black at the point the gray 
> screen with progress bar should be. I checked grub and it does give the 
> i915.whatever=1 to the linux commandline.
> 
> Any ideas? should I perhaps buy some old compatible graphics card and just 
> use that?

Oh sorry, I didn't mean that i installed a HVM with Fedora25. 

I'm installing Qubes on a new machine, an i5-6500. it has an SSD (on which i 
want to install Qubes :) and a HDD that boots me into Fedora25, which works 
with my graphics card. If I however run the setup of Qubes R3.2 I get a black 
screen right when the graphical installer should run. 

But since it works for you, I'm gonna try to change some settings in my bios.

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[qubes-users] Re: Graphics card problem with Intel HD Graphics 530

2017-01-30 Thread aperi . auctio
On Monday, January 30, 2017 at 11:54:15 PM UTC+1, Opal Raava wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> I've been running QUbes OS for a while, an I built a new PC with an intel 
> i5-6500 cpu and intel hd graphics 530 card. When I just install fedora25 
> workstation on it, the graphics look cool, 3d is fast enouhg. When I boot 
> from the disk of my old computer the screen gets black at the point the gray 
> screen with progress bar should be. I checked grub and it does give the 
> i915.whatever=1 to the linux commandline.
> 
> Any ideas? should I perhaps buy some old compatible graphics card and just 
> use that?

It could be the graphic driver inside the VM of Fedora Workstation OS? 
The way I understand Qubes graphic driver management, is that you need Qubes 
specific graphic driver in the VM since the graphics are (translated) to/from 
the system graphics, which again uses more common Linux drivers to/from the 
bare metal hardware. In other words, you might possibly need a second graphic 
driver inside Fedora Workstation OS to properly translate the graphics, the 
issue might not be related to your actual graphic card, but rather the graphic 
translation between OS/VM.

This too should be the reason why heavy graphics rarely works too well in VM's 
since it essentially is a translation or emulation before it arrives at the 
actual system graphic driver, and the translation isn't of the best or 
snappiest quality.

I could be wrong, this is only a guess of mine, but it may be worth considering 
before you go out buying another graphic card though.

A potential worst case scenario would be if you bought a new graphic card and 
the exact same issue happens again because of the issue translating the 
graphics over from the VM to Qubes. 

Also I use i5-6500 my self, I never had issues with it, but then again I also 
never installed Fedora Workstation on it.

A potential worst case solution may be to buy a cheap graphic card as you 
suggested yourself, however instead use the card to use GPU Passthrough 
directly into the Fedora VM, thus bypassing the need of a second graphic driver 
altogether. At this point should act like any other OS regarding the graphics, 
talking directly to the graphic card (Make sure the graphic card support GPU 
Passthrough). 
It may or may not be a lot of work to get GPU Passthrough working though, I 
failed with my GTX 1060 Nvidia card, since newer non-quadro Nvidia card models 
typically do not allow for virtual environments, due to Nvidias market 
segmentation design.

AMD/Intel should however more commonly allow for Virtual GPU Passthrough, 
though, make sure they support first. 

I'm not any expert on this, just floating ideas, and since I never managed to 
get it to work my self, I cannot tell you if it will work (Possibly because I 
got a non-GPU Passthrough card, but I can't say for sure, I need a new graphic 
card before I try again my self).

If you try a GPU Passthrough, be sure to read up on it or hopefully someone 
with better knowledge will be able to fill in. GPU Passthrough sure as heck was 
a can of worms for me, so I'm not endorsing the idea by anything but highly 
experimental and only if you got time/money to pass to try see if you can make 
it work.

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