Re: [qubes-users] Re: Removing KDE
> > > Even Plasma in all its glory accounts for less than 400MB, and that's > perfectly acceptable to me on a desktop, given the way that Plasma can > be tuned so well with Qubes. > I didn't really intend for this to become a "I like this more than that" discussion, but really.. If you chose to use Qubes, you also accepted that minimalism isn't really an option. So I agree.. why not just pick the best DE out there then! I am a long time Arch Linux user (what ever long time can mean).. everything in my body and brain triggered at the amount of stuff in Qubes that was by default. It is what it is! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "qubes-users" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to qubes-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to qubes-users@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/qubes-users/CA%2B3%2BOvjGB9Damn6eXfZrosWYb1GCZD45FrSqZyWe0d4pHf6T5A%40mail.gmail.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [qubes-users] Re: Removing KDE
On Wed, Nov 14, 2018 at 05:35:19AM -0600, Stuart Perkins wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA256 > > > > On Mon, 12 Nov 2018 14:49:51 +0100 > donoban wrote: > > >-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > >Hash: SHA256 > > > >On 11/12/18 1:03 AM, unman wrote:> Though why you would want to remove > >Plasma? So easy to configure and > >> customize, and really enhances Qubes experience. > >> > >> unman > > > >Yeah! I hope someday KDE will be default desktop again. Unfortunately > >there are some bugs with tasks tray and domains/devices widget. > > > > I hope it stays with XFCE. I despise the bloat of KDE. :P > > Stuart > -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- > > iQEzBAEBCAAdFiEEg3cTCwPFs8wewas+M1E7j4SmKVQFAlvsCHcACgkQM1E7j4Sm > KVQ4Sgf/aXlE8uopB7qBH/2IawVpkostjMsF/Err78bMawDbEdI6HfkNhoVxIHvj > UHPI03EtQLwjCiiSTn+9loljzJFutZonkNiX4KeM8hyF9sXfRc2y7jlNnvbap3uB > 3lt/PIAp6oWhsn2YHbrhU+kXYjiZZ3JnosGpVuY1lqkmrpzMsSBVv9hz8EgBtoI0 > 4h3spQwmjx34fZtt+xizI5qLpF156l9iRXQ6o0g8bSmjkLrSS0zd1XFnupJZdAsA > RPoCWRVY7VpQuprOZ752oLWbLilwD1BAZP3ilXDiYaLIWjtIEep14/Z1EU4yhNYk > cWOpQb0JWvYxX8D1LPPO16/9Cd+FIg== > =3D67 > -END PGP SIGNATURE- > I hope it continues to support both. As to the bloat, not sure what you mean in the context of Qubes. In my wholly unscientific comparisons, the difference between XFCE and KDE is around 180MB - That's slightly more than I've seen reported elsewhere. Even Plasma in all its glory accounts for less than 400MB, and that's perfectly acceptable to me on a desktop, given the way that Plasma can be tuned so well with Qubes. Even on a laptop with 12GB RAM, Qubes and Plasma work well together with little or no noticeable effect on performance. So that's the setup I promote. To be clear, I was a long term user of XFCE. I happen to think that it doesn't perform as well with Qubes. Horses for courses. To each their own. unman -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "qubes-users" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to qubes-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to qubes-users@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/qubes-users/20181114140918.j4sbjqt6lrkzy2gn%40thirdeyesecurity.org. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [qubes-users] Re: Removing KDE
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On Mon, 12 Nov 2018 14:49:51 +0100 donoban wrote: >-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- >Hash: SHA256 > >On 11/12/18 1:03 AM, unman wrote:> Though why you would want to remove >Plasma? So easy to configure and >> customize, and really enhances Qubes experience. >> >> unman > >Yeah! I hope someday KDE will be default desktop again. Unfortunately >there are some bugs with tasks tray and domains/devices widget. > I hope it stays with XFCE. I despise the bloat of KDE. :P Stuart -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iQEzBAEBCAAdFiEEg3cTCwPFs8wewas+M1E7j4SmKVQFAlvsCHcACgkQM1E7j4Sm KVQ4Sgf/aXlE8uopB7qBH/2IawVpkostjMsF/Err78bMawDbEdI6HfkNhoVxIHvj UHPI03EtQLwjCiiSTn+9loljzJFutZonkNiX4KeM8hyF9sXfRc2y7jlNnvbap3uB 3lt/PIAp6oWhsn2YHbrhU+kXYjiZZ3JnosGpVuY1lqkmrpzMsSBVv9hz8EgBtoI0 4h3spQwmjx34fZtt+xizI5qLpF156l9iRXQ6o0g8bSmjkLrSS0zd1XFnupJZdAsA RPoCWRVY7VpQuprOZ752oLWbLilwD1BAZP3ilXDiYaLIWjtIEep14/Z1EU4yhNYk cWOpQb0JWvYxX8D1LPPO16/9Cd+FIg== =3D67 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "qubes-users" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to qubes-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to qubes-users@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/qubes-users/20181114053519.5f37e0a7%40gmail.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [qubes-users] Re: Removing KDE
On 20181112 at 00:28 -0800 aaq via qubes-users wrote: > Honestly I completely agree. If I was to use a DE I would definitely prefer > KDE or GNOME over XFCE (I sincerely hate XFCE, loose opinion held strongly) Seconded. My ass is still in pain over getting it to run at 286 dpi, especially if disp VMsneed to get everything, too. And I'm still trying to get a handle on the nome-tools menu bar sizes. Getting KDE to agree on a different resolution is definitely easier (although i fell in love with Mint - you don't have to do anything, it's like MacOS on this machine.) > My machine only has 8 gb of RAM, and so far that is more enough for my usage, > but I fear if I bloat dom0 too much, that I might end up having some issues.. Right now it's CPU cores we're lacking, not RAM -- that can be added, mobile CPUs are limited. But maybe that's because I once had a Sun Tadpole, the only mobile computer thatever felt like having enough horsepower. Achim -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "qubes-users" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to qubes-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to qubes-users@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/qubes-users/22ad0b15ff48e5d2a89decd38a22fbc9ca510766.camel%40noses.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [qubes-users] Re: Removing KDE
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 11/12/18 1:03 AM, unman wrote:> Though why you would want to remove Plasma? So easy to configure and > customize, and really enhances Qubes experience. > > unman Yeah! I hope someday KDE will be default desktop again. Unfortunately there are some bugs with tasks tray and domains/devices widget. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iQIzBAEBCAAdFiEEznLCgPSfWTT+LPrmFBMQ2OPtCKUFAlvphP0ACgkQFBMQ2OPt CKVhGA/+N+FSE6u496K2tTgU2Mgver1KCVTFQxSE8WuKL2HXx2TygKEptHW8HfFl /7XnFzzAxZrWNEBDc26bc8FJm30B+PmG/w9JiRjSCiz/5d4gk2vjP1IaawgAEKs6 2/UR6FcwPV3L2Ja9CyTYKz5T0ZTj5Oax6rGCVHyogBkeNwOWV1Nywl8xtBLZhYFO rHWYlcBaZKnMejVGF4qxr/Ku7L2IA0I/uhIcw2IQMWXUqvQD7CafPxKrrrgJFpC9 sOhG+U8JbpoiPCHB13vDdgXQqNYamAmIMozYAtqRikEDutdJ8THDVx+RaWWMk0jT NnvCmraOHvkQwISunq4FZobURYI5UjbvSwRcfYJ7CMz5LcYQVjRu7vYGWN9JF9XN PZEs0LIdyLIM2s1LdiTlhfnxUJcWMnoJzmCpqnkpV3vMlf/qpMmQDgxJ7Wa76v5o ccNVwzYWsUga0KkYwNdJdLlneG1h+X6YzMIwm+BT3SWPsbxRgWVcIQsK8AT7uCyO +FbM8Ki5U1P5seHRLC7hwR4m9LPvRwdJut5KTqQItRUkQJjrCS0HcV96BIfMldCv aB2kit/KlVq76s+ed8q4SkfrEmGQBM6Mnp7MEWXdgNIwUm5UbzDoC/K34bTkcidj ApRvATfBPEdHh6HHs0FSVHFRV3p16Nt+xyjym4YHJWMwvEg93QY= =gQxu -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "qubes-users" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to qubes-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to qubes-users@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/qubes-users/6d699ca7-a369-5577-44fc-dfab24310ac0%40riseup.net. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [qubes-users] Re: Removing KDE
mandag den 12. november 2018 kl. 01.03.18 UTC+1 skrev unman: > On Sun, Nov 11, 2018 at 09:54:08AM -0800, aaq via qubes-users wrote: > > søndag den 11. november 2018 kl. 17.17.27 UTC+1 skrev a...@it-minds.dk: > > > Hello everybody! > > > > > > I wanted to try out KDE with Qubes 4, but found that it was simply too > > > much compared to my needs. > > > > > > Unfortunately, removing KDE again isn't as simple as installing it. My > > > biggest issues is that it hijacked some core components across the > > > system, even though I am not using KDE (such as the notification frontend > > > among other things). > > > > > > I found an old thread where Marmarek suggested using `dnf mark install` > > > on the packages that dnf wrongly tries to remove, but dnf remains way too > > > aggressive in what it wants to remove. > > > > > > Basically dnf wants to remove everything X related, not only the KDE > > > stuff installed. > > > > > > If anybody knows any way of reverting and purging KDE completely, I would > > > be eternally grateful! > > > > > > Otherwise I might just have to backup all my stuff and go for a reinstall > > > :( > > > > > > Thanks in advance! > > > > > > PS: Lesson has been learned.. don't mindlessly install unncessary things. > > > Thanks. > > > > So.. > > > > I ended up deleting most of the packages (if not all) by hand. > > Unfortunately, my system is in a limbo mode right now. The notification > > front end still looks weird (in dom0), and my lightdm is presented with a > > black background. Other than that, my system works fine. > > Kind of annoying in this state, but works. My OCD is just getting the best > > of me :) > > > > It would be nice with some comments in the documentation on the website > > about KDE being hard to revert from, or at least some specific instructions > > on how to revert. I would be more than happy to contribute with that, but I > > am going to need some help with the steps needed. > > > > Hope someone will chime in! > > The simplest way to remove (most of) KDE is, I think: > dnf remove kdelibs,plasma-workspace > > Removing those packages pulls out those that depend on them while > leaving Xfce (and X) untouched. > > Though why you would want to remove Plasma? So easy to configure and > customize, and really enhances Qubes experience. > > unman Honestly I completely agree. If I was to use a DE I would definitely prefer KDE or GNOME over XFCE (I sincerely hate XFCE, loose opinion held strongly). I am however an avid user of i3, and since most of my stuff is opened and configured through templatevm/standalonevm, I don't really have a particular need for a heavy dom0 DE. My machine only has 8 gb of RAM, and so far that is more enough for my usage, but I fear if I bloat dom0 too much, that I might end up having some issues.. My biggest issue right now is, that after I installed KDE and logged in to Plasma, it didn't correctly override all the XFCE/gtk stuff. So my machine was in a state where it started up some things from kde and some stuff from xfce. That was obviously completely unwanted behavior.. If you have some guidelines though, as to how I can switch off xfce stuff and turn completely to the dark side, I mean KDE, then I would appreciate your time. Thank you! Regards! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "qubes-users" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to qubes-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to qubes-users@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/qubes-users/9f551631-973e-4816-8907-eaf574b377be%40googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [qubes-users] Re: Removing KDE
On Sun, Nov 11, 2018 at 09:54:08AM -0800, aaq via qubes-users wrote: > søndag den 11. november 2018 kl. 17.17.27 UTC+1 skrev a...@it-minds.dk: > > Hello everybody! > > > > I wanted to try out KDE with Qubes 4, but found that it was simply too much > > compared to my needs. > > > > Unfortunately, removing KDE again isn't as simple as installing it. My > > biggest issues is that it hijacked some core components across the system, > > even though I am not using KDE (such as the notification frontend among > > other things). > > > > I found an old thread where Marmarek suggested using `dnf mark install` on > > the packages that dnf wrongly tries to remove, but dnf remains way too > > aggressive in what it wants to remove. > > > > Basically dnf wants to remove everything X related, not only the KDE stuff > > installed. > > > > If anybody knows any way of reverting and purging KDE completely, I would > > be eternally grateful! > > > > Otherwise I might just have to backup all my stuff and go for a reinstall :( > > > > Thanks in advance! > > > > PS: Lesson has been learned.. don't mindlessly install unncessary things. > > Thanks. > > So.. > > I ended up deleting most of the packages (if not all) by hand. Unfortunately, > my system is in a limbo mode right now. The notification front end still > looks weird (in dom0), and my lightdm is presented with a black background. > Other than that, my system works fine. > Kind of annoying in this state, but works. My OCD is just getting the best of > me :) > > It would be nice with some comments in the documentation on the website about > KDE being hard to revert from, or at least some specific instructions on how > to revert. I would be more than happy to contribute with that, but I am going > to need some help with the steps needed. > > Hope someone will chime in! The simplest way to remove (most of) KDE is, I think: dnf remove kdelibs,plasma-workspace Removing those packages pulls out those that depend on them while leaving Xfce (and X) untouched. Though why you would want to remove Plasma? So easy to configure and customize, and really enhances Qubes experience. unman -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "qubes-users" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to qubes-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to qubes-users@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/qubes-users/20181112000312.755g5k7swgr2dgfr%40thirdeyesecurity.org. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[qubes-users] Re: Removing KDE
søndag den 11. november 2018 kl. 17.17.27 UTC+1 skrev a...@it-minds.dk: > Hello everybody! > > I wanted to try out KDE with Qubes 4, but found that it was simply too much > compared to my needs. > > Unfortunately, removing KDE again isn't as simple as installing it. My > biggest issues is that it hijacked some core components across the system, > even though I am not using KDE (such as the notification frontend among other > things). > > I found an old thread where Marmarek suggested using `dnf mark install` on > the packages that dnf wrongly tries to remove, but dnf remains way too > aggressive in what it wants to remove. > > Basically dnf wants to remove everything X related, not only the KDE stuff > installed. > > If anybody knows any way of reverting and purging KDE completely, I would be > eternally grateful! > > Otherwise I might just have to backup all my stuff and go for a reinstall :( > > Thanks in advance! > > PS: Lesson has been learned.. don't mindlessly install unncessary things. > Thanks. So.. I ended up deleting most of the packages (if not all) by hand. Unfortunately, my system is in a limbo mode right now. The notification front end still looks weird (in dom0), and my lightdm is presented with a black background. Other than that, my system works fine. Kind of annoying in this state, but works. My OCD is just getting the best of me :) It would be nice with some comments in the documentation on the website about KDE being hard to revert from, or at least some specific instructions on how to revert. I would be more than happy to contribute with that, but I am going to need some help with the steps needed. Hope someone will chime in! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "qubes-users" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to qubes-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to qubes-users@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/qubes-users/33f5c6e7-54f2-4881-9959-0d17a2ead94e%40googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
