Re: [qubes-users] Re: Why is there no built-in nvidia driver support? aka GTX 980 issues

2017-04-12 Thread cooloutac 
On Sunday, April 9, 2017 at 2:24:50 PM UTC-4, Daniel Acevedo wrote:
> On Sat, 8 Apr 2017 09:31:18 -0700 (PDT)
> cooloutac  wrote:
> 
> > On Friday, April 7, 2017 at 2:51:11 AM UTC-4, sl98077 wrote:
> > > On Thursday, March 9, 2017 at 11:56:52 PM UTC-5, cooloutac wrote:  
> > > > Just to add you won't get any benefit from the Nvidia card.
> > > > Qubes only uses it for desktop effects.  the vms don;t have 3d
> > > > rendering.  
> > > 
> > > 
> > > It's not only about 3D rendering it has to do with users that want
> > > to also dual boot with a spare ssd, be a little mindful others have
> > > different obligations.. if Qubes wants to grow it needs to be
> > > readily available for all users.  
> > 
> > 
> > dual booting another os? That would defeat the purpose.  Qubes is for
> > people who want some exra security.  not a cool tech experiment.   
> > 
> 
> Using a Sata Switch that plugs in a PCI slot, one can turn on/off
> different drives, allowing dual booting without diminishing the
> security.
> 
> I ordered this one (still waiting for it):
> http://thumbs.ebaystatic.com/images/g/ZBgAAOSwvg9XbqSI/s-l225.jpg

You can also unplug the drives,  Its not only the drive that you need to worry 
about though. https://www.qubes-os.org/doc/multiboot/

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[qubes-users] Re: Why is there no built-in nvidia driver support? aka GTX 980 issues

2017-04-09 Thread ZK9 
On Saturday, April 8, 2017 at 12:31:18 PM UTC-4, cooloutac wrote:
> On Friday, April 7, 2017 at 2:51:11 AM UTC-4, sl98077 wrote:
> > On Thursday, March 9, 2017 at 11:56:52 PM UTC-5, cooloutac wrote:
> > > Just to add you won't get any benefit from the Nvidia card.  Qubes only 
> > > uses it for desktop effects.  the vms don;t have 3d rendering.
> > 
> > 
> > It's not only about 3D rendering it has to do with users that want to also 
> > dual boot with a spare ssd, be a little mindful others have different 
> > obligations.. if Qubes wants to grow it needs to be readily available for 
> > all users.
> 
> 
> dual booting another os? That would defeat the purpose.  Qubes is for people 
> who want some exra security.  not a cool tech experiment.

You have this silly statement for everything, the person above this post has 
his methods and there are certainly others. 

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Re: [qubes-users] Re: Why is there no built-in nvidia driver support? aka GTX 980 issues

2017-04-09 Thread Daniel Acevedo 
On Sat, 8 Apr 2017 09:31:18 -0700 (PDT)
cooloutac  wrote:

> On Friday, April 7, 2017 at 2:51:11 AM UTC-4, sl98077 wrote:
> > On Thursday, March 9, 2017 at 11:56:52 PM UTC-5, cooloutac wrote:  
> > > Just to add you won't get any benefit from the Nvidia card.
> > > Qubes only uses it for desktop effects.  the vms don;t have 3d
> > > rendering.  
> > 
> > 
> > It's not only about 3D rendering it has to do with users that want
> > to also dual boot with a spare ssd, be a little mindful others have
> > different obligations.. if Qubes wants to grow it needs to be
> > readily available for all users.  
> 
> 
> dual booting another os? That would defeat the purpose.  Qubes is for
> people who want some exra security.  not a cool tech experiment.   
> 

Using a Sata Switch that plugs in a PCI slot, one can turn on/off
different drives, allowing dual booting without diminishing the
security.

I ordered this one (still waiting for it):
http://thumbs.ebaystatic.com/images/g/ZBgAAOSwvg9XbqSI/s-l225.jpg


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[qubes-users] Re: Why is there no built-in nvidia driver support? aka GTX 980 issues

2017-04-08 Thread cooloutac 
On Friday, April 7, 2017 at 2:51:11 AM UTC-4, sl98077 wrote:
> On Thursday, March 9, 2017 at 11:56:52 PM UTC-5, cooloutac wrote:
> > Just to add you won't get any benefit from the Nvidia card.  Qubes only 
> > uses it for desktop effects.  the vms don;t have 3d rendering.
> 
> 
> It's not only about 3D rendering it has to do with users that want to also 
> dual boot with a spare ssd, be a little mindful others have different 
> obligations.. if Qubes wants to grow it needs to be readily available for all 
> users.


dual booting another os? That would defeat the purpose.  Qubes is for people 
who want some exra security.  not a cool tech experiment.   

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[qubes-users] Re: Why is there no built-in nvidia driver support? aka GTX 980 issues

2017-04-08 Thread cooloutac 
On Friday, April 7, 2017 at 1:56:58 PM UTC-4, john.c...@ucdconnect.ie wrote:
> On Friday, 16 September 2016 08:09:46 UTC+1, almigh...@gmail.com  wrote:
> > Qubes was working flawlessly on my GTX 670, recently upgraded to a GTX 1070 
> > and now I can't even load the installer
> 
> What drivers did you install for the 670?
> 
> I'm on a 660 atm, and haven't installed any drivers, but am getting screen 
> tearing when fullscreening netflix/youtube.

You sure its not a general linux problem?

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[qubes-users] Re: Why is there no built-in nvidia driver support? aka GTX 980 issues

2017-04-07 Thread almightylaxz 
On Saturday, April 8, 2017 at 3:26:58 AM UTC+9:30, john.c...@ucdconnect.ie 
wrote:
> On Friday, 16 September 2016 08:09:46 UTC+1, almigh...@gmail.com  wrote:
> > Qubes was working flawlessly on my GTX 670, recently upgraded to a GTX 1070 
> > and now I can't even load the installer
> 
> What drivers did you install for the 670?
> 
> I'm on a 660 atm, and haven't installed any drivers, but am getting screen 
> tearing when fullscreening netflix/youtube.

No particular drivers, everything works (is usable) from the start. I've never 
tried watching videos using Qubes before so I can't really suggest anything.

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[qubes-users] Re: Why is there no built-in nvidia driver support? aka GTX 980 issues

2017-04-07 Thread john . casey . 1 
On Friday, 16 September 2016 08:09:46 UTC+1, almigh...@gmail.com  wrote:
> Qubes was working flawlessly on my GTX 670, recently upgraded to a GTX 1070 
> and now I can't even load the installer

What drivers did you install for the 670?

I'm on a 660 atm, and haven't installed any drivers, but am getting screen 
tearing when fullscreening netflix/youtube.

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[qubes-users] Re: Why is there no built-in nvidia driver support? aka GTX 980 issues

2017-04-07 Thread sl98077 
On Thursday, March 9, 2017 at 11:56:52 PM UTC-5, cooloutac wrote:
> Just to add you won't get any benefit from the Nvidia card.  Qubes only uses 
> it for desktop effects.  the vms don;t have 3d rendering.


It's not only about 3D rendering it has to do with users that want to also dual 
boot with a spare ssd, be a little mindful others have different obligations.. 
if Qubes wants to grow it needs to be readily available for all users.

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[qubes-users] Re: Why is there no built-in nvidia driver support? aka GTX 980 issues

2017-04-07 Thread flippiff 
On Thursday, March 9, 2017 at 11:56:52 PM UTC-5, cooloutac wrote:
> Just to add you won't get any benefit from the Nvidia card.  Qubes only uses 
> it for desktop effects.  the vms don;t have 3d rendering.

It's not only about 3D rendering it has to do with users that want to also dual 
boot with a spare ssd, be a little mindful others have different obligations.. 
if Qubes wants to grow it needs to be readily available for all users.

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[qubes-users] Re: Why is there no built-in nvidia driver support? aka GTX 980 issues

2017-03-10 Thread Robert Nyman 
Would you mind detailing the steps you went through to make that happen?

Thank you in advance.

=rk=
> On Mar 8, 2017, at 4:07 PM, Slideshowbob <slideshow...@protonmail.ch> wrote:
> 
>  Original Message ----
>> Subject: [qubes-users] Re: Why is there no built-in nvidia driver support? 
>> aka GTX 980 issues
>> Local Time: March 8, 2017 11:58 PM
>> UTC Time: March 8, 2017 10:58 PM
>> From: rkny...@nymantechnology.com
>> To: qubes-users <qubes-users@googlegroups.com>
>> almightyl...@gmail.com
>> 
>> Did this ever get resolved? I am fighting this very battle. I'm assuming 
>> that trying to hack through anaconda JUST TO GET THE INSTALLER TO WORK is a 
>> waste.
>> 
>> Is there something I can try? How can I help?
>> 
>> =rk= 
> 
> I had lots of weird errors and a non working installer, too. Booting using 
> nouveau.modeset=0 made all my issues go away. Worth a try :).
> 
> ssb

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[qubes-users] Re: Why is there no built-in nvidia driver support? aka GTX 980 issues

2017-03-09 Thread cooloutac 
 Just to add you won't get any benefit from the Nvidia card.  Qubes only uses 
it for desktop effects.  the vms don;t have 3d rendering.

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[qubes-users] Re: Why is there no built-in nvidia driver support? aka GTX 980 issues

2017-03-09 Thread cooloutac 
On Thursday, September 15, 2016 at 3:32:35 PM UTC-4, Tom wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I've been toying with Qubes for the past week and it really struck me when I 
> realized that it's the future of what an OS should be. Since then I've been 
> obsessed trying to make it run anywhere but the only computer running it 
> perfectly is my Lenovo X220 otherwise my other (Macbook Pro Retina, and a 
> gaming PC with a GTX 980 nvidia GPU) are simply not even starting the install 
> nor a completed install on a USB3 SSD drive I did to test. I tried every idea 
> I could find with grub flags (nodemodeset, etc) the closest I got to doing 
> something on my GTX 980 based PC has been starting the anaconda installer in 
> CLI mode.
> 
> It just won't show anything on that GPU. FYI it is hooked via an HDMI cable 
> to a LG television. If I let it go without messing the grub flags my tv shows 
> an "invalid format" error I guess because the resolution is wrong but if I 
> start it and remove the quiet flags to see what goes on I can see some 
> sys-net VM error or something but it just stops and never do anything. I 
> can't switch to console nor try to see more logs.
> 
> So my big question is: why does Qubes OS not have built-in GPU support? why 
> is it working better on integrated graphics?
> 
> It would be KICKASS to have this run on a monster machine. I swear I would 
> install this everywhere. Put it on my toast when I wake up in the morning and 
> even wash myself with it! Qubes OS blows my mind and I really really want to 
> use it.
> 
> Keep up the amazing work, sorry I wish I could provide more details/debug 
> info but don't hesitate to ask for any kind of testing on my end.
> 
> Thanks and have a nice day!

you might have to wait till a kernel come out to support the gpu.  If you get 
Qubes intalled with integrated you can maybe check testing repo for a newer 
kernel. I guess noveau is lagging more then 2 years behind.

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[qubes-users] Re: Why is there no built-in nvidia driver support? aka GTX 980 issues

2017-03-08 Thread 'Slideshowbob' via qubes-users 
 Original Message 

Subject: [qubes-users] Re: Why is there no built-in nvidia driver support? aka 
GTX 980 issues
Local Time: March 8, 2017 11:58 PM
UTC Time: March 8, 2017 10:58 PM
From: rkny...@nymantechnology.com
To: qubes-users <qubes-users@googlegroups.com>
almightyl...@gmail.com

Did this ever get resolved? I am fighting this very battle. I'm assuming that 
trying to hack through anaconda JUST TO GET THE INSTALLER TO WORK is a waste.

Is there something I can try? How can I help?

=rk=

I had lots of weird errors and a non working installer, too. Booting using 
nouveau.modeset=0 made all my issues go away. Worth a try :).

ssb

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[qubes-users] Re: Why is there no built-in nvidia driver support? aka GTX 980 issues

2017-03-08 Thread rknyman 
Did this ever get resolved? I am fighting this very battle.  I'm assuming that 
trying to hack through anaconda JUST TO GET THE INSTALLER TO WORK is a waste.

Is there something I can try?  How can I help?

=rk=







On Saturday, September 17, 2016 at 1:54:55 AM UTC-7, almigh...@gmail.com wrote:
> I have been doing some tests using a GTX 1070, on Qubes R3.2, I think it is 
> fair to say GTX 900 and 1000 series cards are unusable right now going by 
> user reports.
> 
> Booting in BIOS mode without self-test:
> Starting installer, one moment...
> *black screen*
> 
> Booting in BIOS mode with self-test:
> Starting installer, one moment...
> *scrolls too fast to read*
> 17:47:03 Not asking for VNC because we don't have a network
> 17:47:03 X startup failed, falling back to text mode
> 
> Then I am placed in the anaconda CLI install. Trying to go through with the 
> CLI installer fails while trying to set an install destination. Selecting 
> LUKS results in the following errors:
> 
> Generating updated storage configureation
> storage configuration failed: autopart failed:
> Encryption requested for LUKS device sdc2 but no encryption key specified for 
> the device.
> 
> Booting using UEFI doesn't work either. It shows the 4 tux images and says:
> 
> [ 0.00] efi: EFI_MEMMAP is not enabled.
> [ 0.00] esrt: ESRT header is not in the memory map.
> [ 5.760317] dracut-pre-trigger[401]: cat: /tmp/dd_disk: No such file or 
> directory
> [ 37.945613] hid-generic 0003:1044:7A03.0008: item 0 1 0 8 parsing failed
> [ 38.003314] hid-generic 0003:1044:7A03.0008: No inputs registered, 
> leaving
> [ 39.170611] sd 6:0:0:0: alua: Attach failed (-22)
> { 9.139264] dracut-initqueue[506]: mount: /dev/sdd is write-protected, 
> mounting read-only
> 
> The display then freezes, trying to switch tty doesn't show any effect.
> 
> I think this has something to do with nouveau. Searching around shows nouveau 
> only got support for the GTX 1000 series in July. Perhaps Qubes is using an 
> outdated version?

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[qubes-users] Re: Why is there no built-in nvidia driver support? aka GTX 980 issues

2016-09-17 Thread almightylaxz 
I have been doing some tests using a GTX 1070, on Qubes R3.2, I think it is 
fair to say GTX 900 and 1000 series cards are unusable right now going by user 
reports.

Booting in BIOS mode without self-test:
Starting installer, one moment...
*black screen*

Booting in BIOS mode with self-test:
Starting installer, one moment...
*scrolls too fast to read*
17:47:03 Not asking for VNC because we don't have a network
17:47:03 X startup failed, falling back to text mode

Then I am placed in the anaconda CLI install. Trying to go through with the CLI 
installer fails while trying to set an install destination. Selecting LUKS 
results in the following errors:

Generating updated storage configureation
storage configuration failed: autopart failed:
Encryption requested for LUKS device sdc2 but no encryption key specified for 
the device.

Booting using UEFI doesn't work either. It shows the 4 tux images and says:

[   0.00] efi: EFI_MEMMAP is not enabled.
[   0.00] esrt: ESRT header is not in the memory map.
[   5.760317] dracut-pre-trigger[401]: cat: /tmp/dd_disk: No such file or 
directory
[   37.945613] hid-generic 0003:1044:7A03.0008: item 0 1 0 8 parsing failed
[   38.003314] hid-generic 0003:1044:7A03.0008: No inputs registered, 
leaving
[   39.170611] sd 6:0:0:0: alua: Attach failed (-22)
{   9.139264] dracut-initqueue[506]: mount: /dev/sdd is write-protected, 
mounting read-only

The display then freezes, trying to switch tty doesn't show any effect.

I think this has something to do with nouveau. Searching around shows nouveau 
only got support for the GTX 1000 series in July. Perhaps Qubes is using an 
outdated version?

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[qubes-users] Re: Why is there no built-in nvidia driver support? aka GTX 980 issues

2016-09-16 Thread almightylaxz 
Qubes was working flawlessly on my GTX 670, recently upgraded to a GTX 1070 and 
now I can't even load the installer

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[qubes-users] Re: Why is there no built-in nvidia driver support? aka GTX 980 issues

2016-09-15 Thread J. Eppler 
So my big question is: why does Qubes OS not have built-in GPU support? why is 
it working better on integrated graphics?

Integrated graphics cards are mostly Intel based. Intel is one of the top 
contributors to Linux and provides free and open source drivers for their 
integrated GPU's. 

Nvidia is one of the worst companies [1] when it comes to Linux open source 
graphics drivers. On the other hand, Nvidia provides well supported proprietary 
driver.

However, including binary drivers in an open source operating system is always 
difficult and raises security problems, since it is impossible to audit the 
source code of the proprietary driver. Who knows what the proprietary driver 
really does?

Another problem is the switching mechanism between integrated and discrete GPU 
in Laptops, Nvidia did never provide any source code or driver for that. The 
open source community had to fill that gap. 

I personally would like to see a powerful open source Noveau driver for Nvidia 
cards which outperforms Nvidia's proprietary driver. 

[1]: [Linus Torvalds Gives Nvidia the Finger. 
Literally(]https://www.wired.com/2012/06/torvalds-nvidia-linux/)

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