Re: [qubes-users] Re: Why is there no qubes manager in V4.0?

2017-10-31 Thread Elias MÃ¥rtenson
On Wednesday, 1 November 2017 12:23:22 UTC+8, Desobediente  wrote:
> Just felt like I have to say that I would love to stop everything I'm doing 
> in 
> my life to write a proper Qubes Manager for 4.
> 
> But I don't see that happening. It sounds trivial at first, but it requires a 
> lot of testing and it will have bugs as the current one does.

I agree. It wouldn't take long to put something together that does the basic 
stuff, but to make it as feature complete as the Qubes Manager in 3.2 let alone 
implement all the cool features we all want would take more time than one might 
think.

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Re: [qubes-users] Re: Why is there no qubes manager in V4.0?

2017-10-31 Thread Desobediente
Just felt like I have to say that I would love to stop everything I'm doing
in my life to write a proper Qubes Manager for 4.

But I don't see that happening. It sounds trivial at first, but it requires
a lot of testing and it will have bugs as the current one does.

On the other hand, the more people demanding, the more likely someone would
at least start something.

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[qubes-users] Re: Why is there no qubes manager in V4.0?

2017-10-31 Thread Elias MÃ¥rtenson
On Wednesday, 1 November 2017 11:32:58 UTC+8, Fun Zork  wrote:

> And not just that.  If I'm being honest, it is also because it makes me feel 
> more like I am running a cool, unique, complicated OS.  The qubes manager is 
> kind of Qubes' signature look.  It's 
> 
> I agree that the UI for it is kind of meh in 3.2, but that's mostly a 
> graphical > issue IMO.  Personally, I'd rather see 4.0 have a qubes manager 
> that is 
> functionally the same as in 3.2, but with a more modern look.  Darker, new 
> icons.

I agree with you, but at the same time it is very clear that the team are very 
resource-constrained. I'm sure they would love to implement a better 
replacement but there is only so much they can do in a day, and there are 
plenty of other issues that I'd rather see them work on.

I have considered working on such a tool myself, but it's a lot of work and I 
have other projects I need to work on as well.

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[qubes-users] Re: Why is there no qubes manager in V4.0?

2017-10-31 Thread Fun Zork
Remember when Microsoft got rid of the start menu for a lot of reasons that 
sounded really compelling and revolutionary in PowerPoints presentations and 
articles, but just annoyed users?  Same sort of deal I think.

I like seeing the status of all my VMs, not just when I go and seek that 
information out, but all the time.  It just gives me more insight into what my 
computer is up to.  It makes me feel more confident that it isn't doing 
anything it isn't supposed to be doing.  It reminds me to be conscious of which 
qube I am in when I'm performing different tasks.  I like having a sense that I 
am more aware of what my computer is up to, like I notice that sys-net's CPU 
bumped up a bit and maybe that alerts me to an issue, or I notice that my 
personal VM is taking longer to shut down than it used to, and maybe there is 
an issue there.  

And not just that.  If I'm being honest, it is also because it makes me feel 
more like I am running a cool, unique, complicated OS.  The qubes manager is 
kind of Qubes' signature look.  It's 

I agree that the UI for it is kind of meh in 3.2, but that's mostly a graphical 
issue IMO.  Personally, I'd rather see 4.0 have a qubes manager that is 
functionally the same as in 3.2, but with a more modern look.  Darker, new 
icons.  

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