Re: [qubes-users] old version of xscreensaver
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 1/4/19 9:08 AM, Stuart Perkins wrote: > GUI of choice is a very personal thing. I am more pragmatic and > don't like "dancing" icons and starting all of my application > names with K...or G for that matter...but to each his own. I am > "slightly" impaired visually, and the simpler and more clean a GUI, > the better for me. I have to spend many hours in front of a screen > each day. Just for completeness: Qubes does support i3. It certainly is an acquired taste, but for some (like me) it's the very best solution out there. It is for sure "simple & clean". https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wx0eNaGzAZU /Sven -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iQIzBAEBCAAdFiEE18ry22WNibwI1qeq2m4We49UH7YFAlw0rpYACgkQ2m4We49U H7YNOhAAn/tAZadH+GGNlAzm0/P4sLPEqkv4/qhgHbtGUDas+B8Tov2PwiECSUvn ZNnSfWa2Rsuq5ufeDXu2gY/0n+hnMX06vP/YbKfyExP1hn7L7va3j+YECf/rNAi4 ImmuhamCJSrpgIZO0QUnXiBgyMevYT832hggvKCJ0D7xYF/rsC48Uzvqccx/hs8J cqNUBg+Xe7uqlWztzDTSfuJ63mHsSmmhtWN1L5m6YWjmsxW7p3UCfkq+4ry2uyI2 vBpplY1mUigmOaZhIR5O5Z9uejjHsdlptpHt95ec530x1H7C8xKw5N+Ioe2OHvwY eAqQ+tZWwKhJDlqELdf98VTtGR6MVzTDzNNaxXik1+qGl4UP+RMhDaKGmPVf0/io yIHWEnNlJx9rWMcM8Y8H8ZFzMqbf1PX98BUzzerskaVzapuVfox/4JX/q4oqNDPr pjsrK8bplyHq9h/2FapsYaWcX/T98gtNrmwWlW28ZFkiQFt3uRYKn2+vv2YrB+nn d8boDvIwLsYgJ8YIGbDskpdEbddoQ1V0kD///+YCY0au06aG1zN5hgNec9Kfmz5R +mLNdqYmRbprpPK0LWNQ1bSiYnbXoJToI0Rc9OOcZz8ZuftZFL5WBPPnBzdcOxXN jDd1VBAJKrephnUg0JN6J8mV2bidX4pNvY9TugTYU7R4bNM2Q9U= =4gOh -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "qubes-users" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to qubes-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to qubes-users@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/qubes-users/20a5c88a-1dd7-b868-905f-f884f635e6e2%40SvenSemmler.org. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [qubes-users] old version of xscreensaver
On 01/04/2019 03:24 AM, haaber wrote: On 01/03/2019 06:03 PM, Frédéric Pierret wrote: We built the upstream package of xscreensaver in current-testing for both Qubes 3.2 and 4.0. Welcome back to XFCE Chris :D ! LOL, seriously? The XFCE deficits are too numerous, unfortunately. Dear Chris, for less advanced users it might be helpful to have a non-dogmatic discussion on advantages and disadvantages of both sides. I guess that XFCE has speed on its side, for example. Visual aspects seems on the KDE side (at least for me). I invite you to give us a deeper comparison... best, Bernhard An impromptu list of KDE advantages: * Monitor power-save mode always works - this always fails in XFCE. * Multi-monitor configurations are remembered correctly - XFCE forgets them. Very useful if you want laptop's internal screen to turn off when connecting external display. But this is important for any config involving multiple displays. * Auto-login at boot time works. * Focus-stealing prevention works better (not perfect - but XFCE's doesn't work at all). * Screen saver allows you to stop the screen lock a few seconds later by just tapping a key. OTOH the xscreensaver is totally unforgiving - requires a lot of repeated password typing. * Custom Qubes border colors; the defaults are far too bright for dark/low light themes. * Fine-grained control of audio volume - XFCE's volume stepping is annoyingly inaccurate. * Very nice Redshift control widget. * Much better accessory apps: Text editor, terminal, etc. This matters even for dom0. - Notice I didn't touch on anything that would be considered advanced. Also notice the stuff that works in KDE but is broken in XFCE... the fact that XFCE developers let these obvious bugs sit for years is a cause for general concern. I use the more advanced KDE features, too: * Controlling which VMs appear on which desktops * Hotkey functions * Color correction profiles. (KDE also works better inside appVMs, at least in the sense that its apps will always start when requested.) On the downside, this version of KDE takes about 5sec longer to start up - which the auto-login more than makes up for. And the Network Manager icon is blank, even though it works. I'm happy to take that trade-off. -- Chris Laprise, tas...@posteo.net https://github.com/tasket https://twitter.com/ttaskett PGP: BEE2 20C5 356E 764A 73EB 4AB3 1DC4 D106 F07F 1886 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "qubes-users" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to qubes-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to qubes-users@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/qubes-users/a812d079-68e6-c054-7a0a-ad1e57f4d8d1%40posteo.net. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [qubes-users] old version of xscreensaver
On Fri, 4 Jan 2019 09:24:50 +0100 haaber wrote: >> On 01/03/2019 06:03 PM, Frédéric Pierret wrote: >>> We built the upstream package of xscreensaver in current-testing for >>> both Qubes 3.2 and 4.0. >>> >>> Welcome back to XFCE Chris :D ! >> >> LOL, seriously? >> >> The XFCE deficits are too numerous, unfortunately. >> >Dear Chris, for less advanced users it might be helpful to have a >non-dogmatic discussion on advantages and disadvantages of both sides. I >guess that XFCE has speed on its side, for example. Visual aspects seems >on the KDE side (at least for me). I invite you to give us a deeper >comparison... best, Bernhard > GUI of choice is a very personal thing. I am more pragmatic and don't like "dancing" icons and starting all of my application names with K...or G for that matter...but to each his own. I am "slightly" impaired visually, and the simpler and more clean a GUI, the better for me. I have to spend many hours in front of a screen each day. There is a tad more manual effort to get XFCE 'just right', but I like the visually simple appearance and would rather devote my computing power to function than what I consider fluff. Now historically I have used older, less powerful machinery. In fact, my Qubes machine is having motherboard issues with the power management circuitry and won't boot reliably so I'm actually using an old Dell D620 32 bit machine for now...which used to be my wife's Windows 7 computer. The screen is a tad flaky which is why she quit using it, but it is at least functional and boots when I ask. I have a replacement motherboard on the way and will be doing the surgery on my T520 once I get it. I'm not really a hardware guy, so it will be a learning experience to be sure. Even with the additional power of a 2.5Ghz four core processor, I still prefer to save the power for actual work. Stuart -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "qubes-users" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to qubes-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to qubes-users@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/qubes-users/20190104090844.58fe687e%40D620Debian9. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [qubes-users] old version of xscreensaver
On 20190103 at 19:29 -0500 Chris Laprise wrote: > The XFCE deficits are too numerous, unfortunately. It's just the worst UI since OSF/Motif (which made me go to plain X11/twm). Achim -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "qubes-users" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to qubes-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to qubes-users@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/qubes-users/e051e37a42761c4679444de7c8b12ddfccce29b0.camel%40noses.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [qubes-users] old version of xscreensaver
On 1/4/19 9:24 AM, Frédéric Pierret wrote: On 1/4/19 1:51 AM, unman wrote: On Fri, Jan 04, 2019 at 12:03:49AM +0100, Frédéric Pierret wrote: We built the upstream package of xscreensaver in current-testing for both Qubes 3.2 and 4.0. Welcome back to XFCE Chris :D ! On 1/3/19 11:56 PM, Chris Laprise wrote: On 01/03/2019 02:00 PM, Achim Patzner wrote: Am Mittwoch, den 02.01.2019, 20:42 -0800 schrieb pixel fairy: xscreensaver complains about being an old version. doubt this matters, but might scare some users. There are worse problems with it (and some of them depend on X and the hardware you're running on) which might also warrant finding something different. I just have to find some time for constant rebooting of my system to create a meaningful bug report. (To give you an idea: Imagine a machine (let's call it Lenovo P52) with multiple GPUs where certain output channels are connected to one of the GPUs only starting a screen server. If you connect your second monitor to the right port the screen saver will not blank one of them if you start X without an appropriately xorg.conf... And to make things worse it also depends on the GPU you are using and the phase of the moon.) The bad screensaver is one of the reasons I switched back to KDE, and why I recommend it to other Qubes users. The default environment doesn't rise to the level of an every day functional desktop. I fully agree - xscreensaver has lots of issues. Many of the screensavers do though. E.g. most won't survive an X server crash due to e.g. OOM killer, but your X server will probably be restarted automatically and leave your screen unprotected... In total it's not wise to trust one's screensaver for anything sincere. Is this a thing now? Is Qubes going to provide updated packages for any other software? Absolutely not. It is just because it is annoying, at least, under XFCE. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "qubes-users" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to qubes-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to qubes-users@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/qubes-users/fa3bf1a3-9d4d-b859-746b-89e7a7c029eb%40hackingthe.net. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature
Re: [qubes-users] old version of xscreensaver
On 01/03/2019 06:03 PM, Frédéric Pierret wrote: We built the upstream package of xscreensaver in current-testing for both Qubes 3.2 and 4.0. Welcome back to XFCE Chris :D ! LOL, seriously? The XFCE deficits are too numerous, unfortunately. Dear Chris, for less advanced users it might be helpful to have a non-dogmatic discussion on advantages and disadvantages of both sides. I guess that XFCE has speed on its side, for example. Visual aspects seems on the KDE side (at least for me). I invite you to give us a deeper comparison... best, Bernhard -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "qubes-users" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to qubes-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to qubes-users@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/qubes-users/1f38481a-8ef0-88e5-fa73-859111bd0104%40web.de. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [qubes-users] old version of xscreensaver
On 1/4/19 1:51 AM, unman wrote: > On Fri, Jan 04, 2019 at 12:03:49AM +0100, Frédéric Pierret wrote: >> We built the upstream package of xscreensaver in current-testing for >> both Qubes 3.2 and 4.0. >> >> Welcome back to XFCE Chris :D ! >> >> On 1/3/19 11:56 PM, Chris Laprise wrote: >>> On 01/03/2019 02:00 PM, Achim Patzner wrote: Am Mittwoch, den 02.01.2019, 20:42 -0800 schrieb pixel fairy: > xscreensaver complains about being an old version. doubt this > matters, but might scare some users. There are worse problems with it (and some of them depend on X and the hardware you're running on) which might also warrant finding something different. I just have to find some time for constant rebooting of my system to create a meaningful bug report. (To give you an idea: Imagine a machine (let's call it Lenovo P52) with multiple GPUs where certain output channels are connected to one of the GPUs only starting a screen server. If you connect your second monitor to the right port the screen saver will not blank one of them if you start X without an appropriately xorg.conf... And to make things worse it also depends on the GPU you are using and the phase of the moon.) >>> The bad screensaver is one of the reasons I switched back to KDE, and >>> why I recommend it to other Qubes users. The default environment >>> doesn't rise to the level of an every day functional desktop. >>> > Is this a thing now? Is Qubes going to provide updated packages for any > other software? > Absolutely not. It is just because it is annoying, at least, under XFCE. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "qubes-users" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to qubes-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to qubes-users@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/qubes-users/ebca4da5-1017-e2fd-311d-213db323dab9%40qubes-os.org. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [qubes-users] old version of xscreensaver
On Friday, January 4, 2019 at 1:52:01 AM UTC+1, unman wrote: > On Fri, Jan 04, 2019 at 12:03:49AM +0100, Frédéric Pierret wrote: > > We built the upstream package of xscreensaver in current-testing for > > both Qubes 3.2 and 4.0. > > > > Welcome back to XFCE Chris :D ! > > > > On 1/3/19 11:56 PM, Chris Laprise wrote: > > > On 01/03/2019 02:00 PM, Achim Patzner wrote: > > >> Am Mittwoch, den 02.01.2019, 20:42 -0800 schrieb pixel fairy: > > >>> xscreensaver complains about being an old version. doubt this > > >>> matters, but might scare some users. > > >> > > >> There are worse problems with it (and some of them depend on X and the > > >> hardware you're running on) which might also warrant finding something > > >> different. I just have to find some time for constant rebooting of my > > >> system to create a meaningful bug report. > > >> > > >> (To give you an idea: Imagine a machine (let's call it Lenovo P52) with > > >> multiple GPUs where certain output channels are connected to one of the > > >> GPUs only starting a screen server. If you connect your second monitor > > >> to the right port the screen saver will not blank one of them if you > > >> start X without an appropriately xorg.conf... And to make things worse > > >> it also depends on the GPU you are using and the phase of the moon.) > > > > > > The bad screensaver is one of the reasons I switched back to KDE, and > > > why I recommend it to other Qubes users. The default environment > > > doesn't rise to the level of an every day functional desktop. > > > > > Is this a thing now? Is Qubes going to provide updated packages for any > other software? nah, just xscreensaver because it's essential to the Qubes UX. ;) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "qubes-users" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to qubes-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to qubes-users@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/qubes-users/ed2f6ee4-49fa-4916-9d1c-be2f6b2cfdad%40googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [qubes-users] old version of xscreensaver
On Fri, Jan 04, 2019 at 12:03:49AM +0100, Frédéric Pierret wrote: > We built the upstream package of xscreensaver in current-testing for > both Qubes 3.2 and 4.0. > > Welcome back to XFCE Chris :D ! > > On 1/3/19 11:56 PM, Chris Laprise wrote: > > On 01/03/2019 02:00 PM, Achim Patzner wrote: > >> Am Mittwoch, den 02.01.2019, 20:42 -0800 schrieb pixel fairy: > >>> xscreensaver complains about being an old version. doubt this > >>> matters, but might scare some users. > >> > >> There are worse problems with it (and some of them depend on X and the > >> hardware you're running on) which might also warrant finding something > >> different. I just have to find some time for constant rebooting of my > >> system to create a meaningful bug report. > >> > >> (To give you an idea: Imagine a machine (let's call it Lenovo P52) with > >> multiple GPUs where certain output channels are connected to one of the > >> GPUs only starting a screen server. If you connect your second monitor > >> to the right port the screen saver will not blank one of them if you > >> start X without an appropriately xorg.conf... And to make things worse > >> it also depends on the GPU you are using and the phase of the moon.) > > > > The bad screensaver is one of the reasons I switched back to KDE, and > > why I recommend it to other Qubes users. The default environment > > doesn't rise to the level of an every day functional desktop. > > Is this a thing now? Is Qubes going to provide updated packages for any other software? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "qubes-users" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to qubes-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to qubes-users@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/qubes-users/20190104005158.2udtltjiumrvvcqf%40thirdeyesecurity.org. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [qubes-users] old version of xscreensaver
On 01/03/2019 06:03 PM, Frédéric Pierret wrote: We built the upstream package of xscreensaver in current-testing for both Qubes 3.2 and 4.0. Welcome back to XFCE Chris :D ! LOL, seriously? The XFCE deficits are too numerous, unfortunately. -- Chris Laprise, tas...@posteo.net https://github.com/tasket https://twitter.com/ttaskett PGP: BEE2 20C5 356E 764A 73EB 4AB3 1DC4 D106 F07F 1886 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "qubes-users" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to qubes-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to qubes-users@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/qubes-users/d1b88d66-6141-e8a2-6961-81b3150c5e58%40posteo.net. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [qubes-users] old version of xscreensaver
We built the upstream package of xscreensaver in current-testing for both Qubes 3.2 and 4.0. Welcome back to XFCE Chris :D ! On 1/3/19 11:56 PM, Chris Laprise wrote: > On 01/03/2019 02:00 PM, Achim Patzner wrote: >> Am Mittwoch, den 02.01.2019, 20:42 -0800 schrieb pixel fairy: >>> xscreensaver complains about being an old version. doubt this >>> matters, but might scare some users. >> >> There are worse problems with it (and some of them depend on X and the >> hardware you're running on) which might also warrant finding something >> different. I just have to find some time for constant rebooting of my >> system to create a meaningful bug report. >> >> (To give you an idea: Imagine a machine (let's call it Lenovo P52) with >> multiple GPUs where certain output channels are connected to one of the >> GPUs only starting a screen server. If you connect your second monitor >> to the right port the screen saver will not blank one of them if you >> start X without an appropriately xorg.conf... And to make things worse >> it also depends on the GPU you are using and the phase of the moon.) > > The bad screensaver is one of the reasons I switched back to KDE, and > why I recommend it to other Qubes users. The default environment > doesn't rise to the level of an every day functional desktop. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "qubes-users" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to qubes-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to qubes-users@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/qubes-users/ca740da3-7f3f-698d-104e-f01a481b2928%40qubes-os.org. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [qubes-users] old version of xscreensaver
On 01/03/2019 02:00 PM, Achim Patzner wrote: Am Mittwoch, den 02.01.2019, 20:42 -0800 schrieb pixel fairy: xscreensaver complains about being an old version. doubt this matters, but might scare some users. There are worse problems with it (and some of them depend on X and the hardware you're running on) which might also warrant finding something different. I just have to find some time for constant rebooting of my system to create a meaningful bug report. (To give you an idea: Imagine a machine (let's call it Lenovo P52) with multiple GPUs where certain output channels are connected to one of the GPUs only starting a screen server. If you connect your second monitor to the right port the screen saver will not blank one of them if you start X without an appropriately xorg.conf... And to make things worse it also depends on the GPU you are using and the phase of the moon.) The bad screensaver is one of the reasons I switched back to KDE, and why I recommend it to other Qubes users. The default environment doesn't rise to the level of an every day functional desktop. -- Chris Laprise, tas...@posteo.net https://github.com/tasket https://twitter.com/ttaskett PGP: BEE2 20C5 356E 764A 73EB 4AB3 1DC4 D106 F07F 1886 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "qubes-users" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to qubes-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to qubes-users@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/qubes-users/280d3f50-9dfc-fddc-d4e5-e6d8013f1b60%40posteo.net. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [qubes-users] old version of xscreensaver
Am Mittwoch, den 02.01.2019, 20:42 -0800 schrieb pixel fairy: > xscreensaver complains about being an old version. doubt this matters, but > might scare some users. There are worse problems with it (and some of them depend on X and the hardware you're running on) which might also warrant finding something different. I just have to find some time for constant rebooting of my system to create a meaningful bug report. (To give you an idea: Imagine a machine (let's call it Lenovo P52) with multiple GPUs where certain output channels are connected to one of the GPUs only starting a screen server. If you connect your second monitor to the right port the screen saver will not blank one of them if you start X without an appropriately xorg.conf... And to make things worse it also depends on the GPU you are using and the phase of the moon.) Achim -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "qubes-users" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to qubes-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to qubes-users@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/qubes-users/c05d1e526f2c6fa177e8b86da18c986af74b28d9.camel%40noses.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[qubes-users] old version of xscreensaver
xscreensaver complains about being an old version. doubt this matters, but might scare some users. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "qubes-users" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to qubes-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to qubes-users@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/qubes-users/7090547a-5ce8-43a5-9ef1-20cbb15763e3%40googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
