Re: [qubes-users] q4rc4 very slow. VMs take 23 - 33 seconds to start
On 02/17/2018 05:26 AM, WillyPillow wrote: I did some timing, and for PVH, my Fedora 26 VMs take about 30s, while Debian 9 takes about 45s. For HVM, qrexec usually times out (did not bother to adjust the timeout). P.S.: I recall I had similar issues with HVM in 4.0rc1, cf. https://github.com/QubesOS/qubes-issues/issues/3149 So I think only your pvh timings are strange. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "qubes-users" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to qubes-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to qubes-users@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/qubes-users/3ae83ff4-a174-9bc2-d6bd-ea6493a44308%40hackingthe.net. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature
Re: [qubes-users] q4rc4 very slow. VMs take 23 - 33 seconds to start
Original Message On 2018年2月17日 10:30, pixel fairy wrote: On Friday, February 16, 2018 at 4:07:10 PM UTC-8, Marek Marczykowski-Górecki wrote: > Yes, there is "xpti=false" option for Xen command line (xen.gz option in > grub, or options= line in xen.cfg for UEFI). tried that by editing the multiboot /xen-4.8.3.gz line while booting. no change. maybe its a different change between rc3 and rc4. seems like a stretch, but one that only affects supermicro c7z motherboards? I did some timing, and for PVH, my Fedora 26 VMs take about 30s, while Debian 9 takes about 45s. For HVM, qrexec usually times out (did not bother to adjust the timeout). Just to clarify, my mobo is an ASRock Z170, not a Supermicro one. --WillyPillow -- https://blog.nerde.pw/ PGP fingerprint = 6CCF 3FC7 32AC 9D83 D154 217F 1C16 C70E E7C3 1C8 -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "qubes-users" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to qubes-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to qubes-users@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/qubes-users/feIj1otJTWDwda2aJVKqIsscwlqCmyDknsPVwOrKhcRXKZidQ0J6gyKrycBdVTYxQuOOUTF4KzOO8PnhdStxTn9CEbAASNZtxOCETNOchV8%3D%40nerde.pw. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [qubes-users] q4rc4 very slow. VMs take 23 - 33 seconds to start
On Sat, February 17, 2018 2:30 am, pixel fairy wrote: > On Friday, February 16, 2018 at 4:07:10 PM UTC-8, Marek > Marczykowski-Górecki wrote: > > >> Yes, there is "xpti=false" option for Xen command line (xen.gz option >> in grub, or options= line in xen.cfg for UEFI). > > tried that by editing the multiboot /xen-4.8.3.gz line while booting. no > change. maybe its a different change between rc3 and rc4. seems like a > stretch, but one that only affects supermicro c7z motherboards? Try the Linux equivalent to disable mitigations in your template kernel options too maybe? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "qubes-users" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to qubes-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to qubes-users@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/qubes-users/404e1971d809f393d2cdb116de62cb08.squirrel%40tt3j2x4k5ycaa5zt.onion. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [qubes-users] q4rc4 very slow. VMs take 23 - 33 seconds to start
On Friday, February 16, 2018 at 4:07:10 PM UTC-8, Marek Marczykowski-Górecki wrote: > Yes, there is "xpti=false" option for Xen command line (xen.gz option in > grub, or options= line in xen.cfg for UEFI). tried that by editing the multiboot /xen-4.8.3.gz line while booting. no change. maybe its a different change between rc3 and rc4. seems like a stretch, but one that only affects supermicro c7z motherboards? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "qubes-users" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to qubes-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to qubes-users@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/qubes-users/8f3f5438-a930-4abb-9435-06adf92359e3%40googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [qubes-users] q4rc4 very slow. VMs take 23 - 33 seconds to start
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On Fri, Feb 16, 2018 at 11:37:46AM -, 'awokd' via qubes-users wrote: > On Thu, February 15, 2018 2:24 am, pixel fairy wrote: > > > at first i thought it was just the > > performance hit from mitigating speculation vulnerabilities, but others > > were reporting better performance in rc4 than rc3. > > Maybe they are on AMD. :) > > To rule out mitigations, I know Linux has an option to turn it off. Does > Xen have something similar? Try that and see if it restores your > performance. Yes, there is "xpti=false" option for Xen command line (xen.gz option in grub, or options= line in xen.cfg for UEFI). - -- Best Regards, Marek Marczykowski-Górecki Invisible Things Lab A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iQEzBAEBCAAdFiEEhrpukzGPukRmQqkK24/THMrX1ywFAlqHcg4ACgkQ24/THMrX 1ywm/gf/TBoqkz8zMaJS+oEvq3ezpydA9vc+NZVvxv+qYr4OKDq+BNIbhwRRV90Y kPrEsBTLPhBhjA39RB37gjv3tkLj1pUMg/mZRFENbS6/QU3zIuOgylBdwLIGdTQf sz56zdU9ypAYJfFGZhpj68c7PGyukG7pCdvG5c0kezwG30Xls1Cn221Nwxsc1zt1 kuIUehQuSKcv+v5upX6WS0rPii0Q6pUF734QtHaT41hLsFmdnXPc9bvMK9sEzwH7 EV4eiLzv3l3XiHlpB7y4I6THQnQSbjTdpU8eXN5LY7XLxrHqUUlfxQdXDgprKAFA Tu/KTSFt9B9GFbv+uz+sGE5MiUmY5A== =96W1 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "qubes-users" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to qubes-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to qubes-users@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/qubes-users/20180217000646.GB8969%40mail-itl. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [qubes-users] q4rc4 very slow. VMs take 23 - 33 seconds to start
On Thu, February 15, 2018 2:24 am, pixel fairy wrote: > at first i thought it was just the > performance hit from mitigating speculation vulnerabilities, but others > were reporting better performance in rc4 than rc3. Maybe they are on AMD. :) To rule out mitigations, I know Linux has an option to turn it off. Does Xen have something similar? Try that and see if it restores your performance. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "qubes-users" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to qubes-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to qubes-users@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/qubes-users/1241acf8b534ca33ba68523ff5007247.squirrel%40tt3j2x4k5ycaa5zt.onion. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [qubes-users] q4rc4 very slow. VMs take 23 - 33 seconds to start
On 02/15/2018 02:00 AM, pixel fairy wrote: On Wednesday, February 14, 2018 at 4:58:06 PM UTC-8, pixel fairy wrote: Fedora. just tried debian. 44.286s seconds. Forgot the hardware. i7-6700, 64gigs ddr4, supermicro c7z170-sq, onboard intel graphics. Got 13s with pvh on a laptop last built in 2012 or so, i.e. your timings are rather odd indeed... -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "qubes-users" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to qubes-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to qubes-users@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/qubes-users/db5c1c2b-132f-bd76-7533-2aea051f430a%40hackingthe.net. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature
Re: [qubes-users] q4rc4 very slow. VMs take 23 - 33 seconds to start
I also noticed similar slowdowns. I have no experience with rc3 (upgraded directly from 3.2), but your numbers seem to councide with my experience. Hardware is also pretty similar, namely Z170/6700K. --WillyPillow -- https://blog.nerde.pw/ PGP fingerprint = 6CCF 3FC7 32AC 9D83 D154 217F 1C16 C70E E7C3 1C8 -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "qubes-users" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to qubes-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to qubes-users@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/qubes-users/_u34bjS6AXj5CHBS0GgzGXhvql6dmV8Qa5ABa-NOi-JKjSal18usCoqxPpf01YSQp6FQ0vnvgGNIKUbKiyOrl_gjIrlgsRBW4K8iZGM7Lcc%3D%40nerde.pw. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [qubes-users] q4rc4 very slow. VMs take 23 - 33 seconds to start
pvh. the hvm ones took even longer. looked at a couple systemd-analyze, one of them had 10s for dkms and 40 for qubes-update-check, even though that one only took 25s to boot, at least according to dom0. could whatever tells dom0 a guest is up have run before that? will play with this more and get back to you. turns out the qvm-pref debug doesnt matter in boot time. its hvm that takes around 40 seconds, and pvh that takes around 25. a standalone hvm with no os installed took 16 seconds to "start" this started happening after installing 4.0rc4 over 4.0rc3. had to qvm-prefs the restored vms to pvh. at first i thought it was just the performance hit from mitigating speculation vulnerabilities, but others were reporting better performance in rc4 than rc3. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "qubes-users" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to qubes-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to qubes-users@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/qubes-users/e15ed300-e888-4cbc-99a7-5ecc82323d8a%40googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [qubes-users] q4rc4 very slow. VMs take 23 - 33 seconds to start
On 02/14/2018 08:00 PM, pixel fairy wrote: On Wednesday, February 14, 2018 at 4:58:06 PM UTC-8, pixel fairy wrote: Fedora. just tried debian. 44.286s seconds. Forgot the hardware. i7-6700, 64gigs ddr4, supermicro c7z170-sq, onboard intel graphics. What virt_mode is used? Default is pvh; Try switching the mode to hvm (and this let you use debug mode). Then there are logs in dom0 /var/log/qubes for each VM. On the VM side you can try 'systemd-analyze blame' for start timings, also 'journalctl' and 'dmesg'. -- Chris Laprise, tas...@posteo.net https://github.com/tasket https://twitter.com/ttaskett PGP: BEE2 20C5 356E 764A 73EB 4AB3 1DC4 D106 F07F 1886 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "qubes-users" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to qubes-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to qubes-users@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/qubes-users/b8ce3117-8464-c83a-ffef-4878cc3fb100%40posteo.net. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [qubes-users] q4rc4 very slow. VMs take 23 - 33 seconds to start
On Wednesday, February 14, 2018 at 4:58:06 PM UTC-8, pixel fairy wrote: > Fedora. just tried debian. 44.286s seconds. Forgot the hardware. i7-6700, 64gigs ddr4, supermicro c7z170-sq, onboard intel graphics. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "qubes-users" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to qubes-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to qubes-users@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/qubes-users/7cc90ae0-f905-4f99-beef-90c3fc4dbc09%40googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [qubes-users] q4rc4 very slow. VMs take 23 - 33 seconds to start
Fedora. just tried debian. 44.286s seconds. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "qubes-users" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to qubes-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to qubes-users@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/qubes-users/a025ca67-8aa1-4097-a096-372ec3e41fe3%40googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [qubes-users] q4rc4 very slow. VMs take 23 - 33 seconds to start
On 02/14/2018 05:47 PM, pixel fairy wrote: [user@dom0 ~]$ time qvm-start personal real0m23.517s user0m0.182s sys 0m0.065s [user@dom0 ~]$ time qvm-start alpha real0m23.801s user0m0.191s sys 0m0.056s [user@dom0 ~]$ time qvm-start alphax real0m32.831s user0m0.193s sys 0m0.059s starting with debug turned on takes 46 seconds. it shows a console window with SeaBIOS Machine UUID Booting from ROM... Probing EDD... 15 seconds for the console window to come up, with the first 3 lines 8 seconds later for Probing EDD to come up 23 seconds after that for the VM to start and the console window to go blank. Is this Debian or Fedora? If the latter, can you try Fedora? -- Chris Laprise, tas...@posteo.net https://github.com/tasket https://twitter.com/ttaskett PGP: BEE2 20C5 356E 764A 73EB 4AB3 1DC4 D106 F07F 1886 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "qubes-users" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to qubes-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to qubes-users@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/qubes-users/1e54cfd9-47a3-084a-7b3a-68d47b5e7bf3%40posteo.net. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[qubes-users] q4rc4 very slow. VMs take 23 - 33 seconds to start
[user@dom0 ~]$ time qvm-start personal real0m23.517s user0m0.182s sys 0m0.065s [user@dom0 ~]$ time qvm-start alpha real0m23.801s user0m0.191s sys 0m0.056s [user@dom0 ~]$ time qvm-start alphax real0m32.831s user0m0.193s sys 0m0.059s starting with debug turned on takes 46 seconds. it shows a console window with SeaBIOS Machine UUID Booting from ROM... Probing EDD... 15 seconds for the console window to come up, with the first 3 lines 8 seconds later for Probing EDD to come up 23 seconds after that for the VM to start and the console window to go blank. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "qubes-users" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to qubes-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to qubes-users@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/qubes-users/a49c3481-a3c1-4147-8efe-47277079974e%40googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
