Re: [qubes-users] Re: Can anyone recommend a video card for Qubes
On Wednesday, January 18, 2017 at 5:00:14 AM UTC-5, qmast...@gmail.com wrote:
> среда, 18 января 2017 г., 7:21:37 UTC+3 пользователь raah...@gmail.com
> написал:
> > On Saturday, January 14, 2017 at 2:20:23 PM UTC-5, tai...@gmx.com wrote:
> > > On 01/14/2017 12:15 PM, qmaster...@gmail.com wrote:
> > >
> > > > суббота, 14 января 2017 г., 5:01:34 UTC-5 пользователь Chris Willard
> > > > написал:
> > > >> Hello All,
> > > >>
> > > >> I am using my on-board video but only getting 1024x768 resolution so
> > > >> wondered if there is another video card type I could use.
> > > >>
> > > >> --
> > > >> Best regards,
> > > >> Chris
> > > >>
> > > > any AMD graphic card should be great for Qubes, because AMD has pretty
> > > > good open source drivers for Linux. Dont get NVIDIA because in that
> > > > case you would have to use NVIDIA closed source drivers with hidden
> > > > backdoors and proven telemetry; nouveau is still not in a good shape,
> > > > probably because no real assistance from NVIDIA - they want everyone to
> > > > use their closed source stuff
> > > >
> > > Wait the nvidia linux drivers have telemetry?
> > > I thought it was only windows, and only if you install the "geforce
> > > experience".
> > >
> > > Irreguardless nvidia is an awful company that adds "bugs" to nerf
> > > featuresets on non-windows platforms, and they make it hard to attach
> > > the card to a virtual machine (ex: error 43).
> > >
> > > Just say NO to binary blobbed hardware.
> >
> > no not open source drivers. It really don't matter if its amd or nvidia.
> > I actually think the nvidia drivers are way better then amd for linux. I
> > use a gtx 650 and its always run great on linux. proprietary drivers
> > better for gaming. open source better for the linux desktops.What you
> > would want to do is just research the card model how it performs with
> > linux. and even more compatible would be the onboard intel like you are
> > already using. But I guess you would have to update the board in that case
> > to get latest resolutions and desktop effects.
>
> People who are using QubesOS usually care a lot about security, so: while
> NVIDIA closed source drivers probably have a better quality/performance than
> AMD open source drivers, NVIDIA closed source drivers are not an option just
> because their source code is closed (and also because it is a painful
> experience to update/maintain them)
>
> Last time I tested, 1 year ago it was like that (">" means "better than") :
> NVIDIA closed source > AMD open source > AMD closed source > NVIDIA open
> source (nouveau)
>
> Meanwhile, AMD drivers have been improving quickly during the recent times,
> so it could be just a matter of time before AMD open source drivers become
> better than NVIDIA closed source drivers (both in quality and performance)
they only have better performance in gaming. Like steam. When it comes to
xfce and kde desktops. the open source drivers give BETTER performance with my
nvidia card then proprietary. Meaning no screen flickering with opengl
effects in kde as example.
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Re: [qubes-users] Re: Can anyone recommend a video card for Qubes
среда, 18 января 2017 г., 7:21:37 UTC+3 пользователь raah...@gmail.com написал:
> On Saturday, January 14, 2017 at 2:20:23 PM UTC-5, tai...@gmx.com wrote:
> > On 01/14/2017 12:15 PM, qmaster...@gmail.com wrote:
> >
> > > суббота, 14 января 2017 г., 5:01:34 UTC-5 пользователь Chris Willard
> > > написал:
> > >> Hello All,
> > >>
> > >> I am using my on-board video but only getting 1024x768 resolution so
> > >> wondered if there is another video card type I could use.
> > >>
> > >> --
> > >> Best regards,
> > >> Chris
> > >>
> > > any AMD graphic card should be great for Qubes, because AMD has pretty
> > > good open source drivers for Linux. Dont get NVIDIA because in that case
> > > you would have to use NVIDIA closed source drivers with hidden backdoors
> > > and proven telemetry; nouveau is still not in a good shape, probably
> > > because no real assistance from NVIDIA - they want everyone to use their
> > > closed source stuff
> > >
> > Wait the nvidia linux drivers have telemetry?
> > I thought it was only windows, and only if you install the "geforce
> > experience".
> >
> > Irreguardless nvidia is an awful company that adds "bugs" to nerf
> > featuresets on non-windows platforms, and they make it hard to attach
> > the card to a virtual machine (ex: error 43).
> >
> > Just say NO to binary blobbed hardware.
>
> no not open source drivers. It really don't matter if its amd or nvidia. I
> actually think the nvidia drivers are way better then amd for linux. I use a
> gtx 650 and its always run great on linux. proprietary drivers better for
> gaming. open source better for the linux desktops.What you would want to
> do is just research the card model how it performs with linux. and even
> more compatible would be the onboard intel like you are already using. But I
> guess you would have to update the board in that case to get latest
> resolutions and desktop effects.
People who are using QubesOS usually care a lot about security, so: while
NVIDIA closed source drivers probably have a better quality/performance than
AMD open source drivers, NVIDIA closed source drivers are not an option just
because their source code is closed (and also because it is a painful
experience to update/maintain them)
Last time I tested, 1 year ago it was like that (">" means "better than") :
NVIDIA closed source > AMD open source > AMD closed source > NVIDIA open source
(nouveau)
Meanwhile, AMD drivers have been improving quickly during the recent times, so
it could be just a matter of time before AMD open source drivers become better
than NVIDIA closed source drivers (both in quality and performance)
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Re: [qubes-users] Re: Can anyone recommend a video card for Qubes
On Saturday, January 14, 2017 at 2:20:23 PM UTC-5, tai...@gmx.com wrote: > On 01/14/2017 12:15 PM, qmaster...@gmail.com wrote: > > > суббота, 14 января 2017 г., 5:01:34 UTC-5 пользователь Chris Willard > > написал: > >> Hello All, > >> > >> I am using my on-board video but only getting 1024x768 resolution so > >> wondered if there is another video card type I could use. > >> > >> -- > >> Best regards, > >> Chris > >> > > any AMD graphic card should be great for Qubes, because AMD has pretty good > > open source drivers for Linux. Dont get NVIDIA because in that case you > > would have to use NVIDIA closed source drivers with hidden backdoors and > > proven telemetry; nouveau is still not in a good shape, probably because no > > real assistance from NVIDIA - they want everyone to use their closed source > > stuff > > > Wait the nvidia linux drivers have telemetry? > I thought it was only windows, and only if you install the "geforce > experience". > > Irreguardless nvidia is an awful company that adds "bugs" to nerf > featuresets on non-windows platforms, and they make it hard to attach > the card to a virtual machine (ex: error 43). > > Just say NO to binary blobbed hardware. no not open source drivers. It really don't matter if its amd or nvidia. I actually think the nvidia drivers are way better then amd for linux. I use a gtx 650 and its always run great on linux. proprietary drivers better for gaming. open source better for the linux desktops.What you would want to do is just research the card model how it performs with linux. and even more compatible would be the onboard intel like you are already using. But I guess you would have to update the board in that case to get latest resolutions and desktop effects. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "qubes-users" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to qubes-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to qubes-users@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/qubes-users/22f67b9a-bb4c-4085-a7ab-594f3430afe7%40googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [qubes-users] Re: Can anyone recommend a video card for Qubes
On Sunday, January 15, 2017 at 12:22:20 AM UTC+3, qmast...@gmail.com wrote: > Saturday, 14 January 2017 г., 14:20:23 UTC-5 tai...@gmx.com wrote: > > On 01/14/2017 12:15 PM, qmastery wrote: > > > > > Saturday, 14 January 2017 г., 5:01:34 UTC-5 Chris Willard написал: > > >> Hello All, > > >> > > >> I am using my on-board video but only getting 1024x768 resolution so > > >> wondered if there is another video card type I could use. > > >> > > >> -- > > >> Best regards, > > >> Chris > > >> > > > any AMD graphic card should be great for Qubes, because AMD has pretty > > > good open source drivers for Linux. Dont get NVIDIA because in that case > > > you would have to use NVIDIA closed source drivers with hidden backdoors > > > and proven telemetry; nouveau is still not in a good shape, probably > > > because no real assistance from NVIDIA - they want everyone to use their > > > closed source stuff > > > > > Wait the nvidia linux drivers have telemetry? > > I thought it was only windows, and only if you install the "geforce > > experience". > > > > Irreguardless nvidia is an awful company that adds "bugs" to nerf > > featuresets on non-windows platforms, and they make it hard to attach > > the card to a virtual machine (ex: error 43). > > > > Just say NO to binary blobbed hardware. > > Yes, you are correct, maybe I am wrong here... After that experience when I > uninstalled a Geforce Experience from my friend's Windows PC, but telemetry > "virus" wasn't removed and continued to work until I wiped those nvidia > telemetry executable files manually using Ubuntu LiveCD - the remains of my > trust to this company has been completely lost. Maybe it is more safe to > assume that their telemetry is in all their software, and the best way to > avoid it is to stop using NVIDIA products. The source is closed, and we just > can't verify with 100% confidence that their latest Linux drivers don't have > a telemetry as well, they had plenty of time to build in telemetry into Linux > drivers and conceal it Well, I gotta warn that chances of successfully working with closed source drivers are slim. They compile okay, and even insmod okay, but X dies with occult error about allocating memory. I am having an almost bearable experience with core i7's integrated graphics right now -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "qubes-users" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to qubes-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to qubes-users@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/qubes-users/43ab8f0e-a72d-4ded-bc7b-ba28b28eb754%40googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [qubes-users] Re: Can anyone recommend a video card for Qubes
Saturday, 14 January 2017 г., 14:20:23 UTC-5 tai...@gmx.com wrote: > On 01/14/2017 12:15 PM, qmastery wrote: > > > Saturday, 14 January 2017 г., 5:01:34 UTC-5 Chris Willard написал: > >> Hello All, > >> > >> I am using my on-board video but only getting 1024x768 resolution so > >> wondered if there is another video card type I could use. > >> > >> -- > >> Best regards, > >> Chris > >> > > any AMD graphic card should be great for Qubes, because AMD has pretty good > > open source drivers for Linux. Dont get NVIDIA because in that case you > > would have to use NVIDIA closed source drivers with hidden backdoors and > > proven telemetry; nouveau is still not in a good shape, probably because no > > real assistance from NVIDIA - they want everyone to use their closed source > > stuff > > > Wait the nvidia linux drivers have telemetry? > I thought it was only windows, and only if you install the "geforce > experience". > > Irreguardless nvidia is an awful company that adds "bugs" to nerf > featuresets on non-windows platforms, and they make it hard to attach > the card to a virtual machine (ex: error 43). > > Just say NO to binary blobbed hardware. Yes, you are correct, maybe I am wrong here... After that experience when I uninstalled a Geforce Experience from my friend's Windows PC, but telemetry "virus" wasn't removed and continued to work until I wiped those nvidia telemetry executable files manually using Ubuntu LiveCD - the remains of my trust to this company has been completely lost. Maybe it is more safe to assume that their telemetry is in all their software, and the best way to avoid it is to stop using NVIDIA products. The source is closed, and we just can't verify with 100% confidence that their latest Linux drivers don't have a telemetry as well, they had plenty of time to build in telemetry into Linux drivers and conceal it -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "qubes-users" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to qubes-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to qubes-users@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/qubes-users/20649aef-b739-4409-8023-35e1c3efe1aa%40googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [qubes-users] Re: Can anyone recommend a video card for Qubes
On 01/14/2017 12:15 PM, qmaster...@gmail.com wrote: суббота, 14 января 2017 г., 5:01:34 UTC-5 пользователь Chris Willard написал: Hello All, I am using my on-board video but only getting 1024x768 resolution so wondered if there is another video card type I could use. -- Best regards, Chris any AMD graphic card should be great for Qubes, because AMD has pretty good open source drivers for Linux. Dont get NVIDIA because in that case you would have to use NVIDIA closed source drivers with hidden backdoors and proven telemetry; nouveau is still not in a good shape, probably because no real assistance from NVIDIA - they want everyone to use their closed source stuff Wait the nvidia linux drivers have telemetry? I thought it was only windows, and only if you install the "geforce experience". Irreguardless nvidia is an awful company that adds "bugs" to nerf featuresets on non-windows platforms, and they make it hard to attach the card to a virtual machine (ex: error 43). Just say NO to binary blobbed hardware. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "qubes-users" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to qubes-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to qubes-users@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/qubes-users/b2e0eb4f-607f-072c-ac0a-38f040282156%40gmx.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
