Re: Re[2]: [qubes-users] Responding to the Whonix trolls...
It's not very different than fascism, in particular the Gestapo, who would use those in the community to censor people through fear of being marginalized. I'll stop discussing this if you will. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "qubes-users" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to qubes-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to qubes-users@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/qubes-users/29a59d88-17c3-4953-9022-6276c8d01694%40googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Re[2]: [qubes-users] Responding to the Whonix trolls...
cooloutac schrieb am Sa., 2. März 2019, 22:16: > [...] > Stop being a nazi. > Please don't write such quotes in a public forum, as someone who might argue that he wants to silence the discussion (which don't have to be ok) is something completely different from someone who was involved in something like the holocaust. Making such a comparison is totally unacceptable. "As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches 1" (...) that is, if an online discussion (regardless of topic or scope) goes on long enough, sooner or later someone will compare someone or something to Adolf Hitler or his deeds, the point at which effectively the discussion or thread often ends. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law And no, I will not refresh the discussion at this point as it is not Qubes related (anymore). - O -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "qubes-users" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to qubes-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to qubes-users@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/qubes-users/CAJ3yz2tRwKA9SHn_Yjj0%3Dbnbu_6RH8YaUDTb65vHiGQAYhRQMw%40mail.gmail.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Re[2]: [qubes-users] Responding to the Whonix trolls...
On Saturday, March 2, 2019 at 6:03:55 AM UTC-5, Achim Patzner wrote: > On 02.03.2019 03:21:14, "unman" wrote: > >I don't want a list that is banning people or excluding them. It's > >regrettable that Whonix does so. In my experience, that rarely works > >given the ready availability of new email addresses. > > That's why I like mailing lists which require a sponsor to add you and > which will hold said sponsor responsible for the behaviour of his > invitees. If you bring in too many duds. you're getting thrown out, too. > > >If you don't like a user, just add them to your kill file. > > As long as there are no really useful tools that eliminate everything > that contains quotes of the user you don't really need in your life this > is not as helpful as eliminating that user completely. Unless said kill > file is the input queue of a skilled assassin... > > > >Build the community that *you* want, by promoting the issues/discussions > >that are of value. Let the others wither away. > > Some trolls don't wither on their own. Those have to be cut back. > > > Achim Stop being a nazi. I already gave you the link for qubes-devel. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "qubes-users" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to qubes-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to qubes-users@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/qubes-users/4b12b761-7509-44a1-b015-6c96dc3a0490%40googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re[2]: [qubes-users] Responding to the Whonix trolls...
On 02.03.2019 03:21:14, "unman" wrote: I don't want a list that is banning people or excluding them. It's regrettable that Whonix does so. In my experience, that rarely works given the ready availability of new email addresses. That's why I like mailing lists which require a sponsor to add you and which will hold said sponsor responsible for the behaviour of his invitees. If you bring in too many duds. you're getting thrown out, too. If you don't like a user, just add them to your kill file. As long as there are no really useful tools that eliminate everything that contains quotes of the user you don't really need in your life this is not as helpful as eliminating that user completely. Unless said kill file is the input queue of a skilled assassin... Build the community that *you* want, by promoting the issues/discussions that are of value. Let the others wither away. Some trolls don't wither on their own. Those have to be cut back. Achim -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "qubes-users" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to qubes-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to qubes-users@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/qubes-users/emc30e2d80-fe44-4f38-8356-e4aceebaedca%40sir-face. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Re[2]: [qubes-users] Responding to the Whonix trolls...
Or is this a slick way to try and get me to use tor. Because we know evading bans is one of the things its most known for lol... Oh wait. Google probably already bans tor, which is why this place has been so troll free for the years I've been posting here. Maybe you should start a German forum on some other platform and then you can all go there. Rather then make even more people complicit in patricks drama. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "qubes-users" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to qubes-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to qubes-users@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/qubes-users/18e8271c-296c-4b86-b8e6-e338c5419fb3%40googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Re[2]: [qubes-users] Responding to the Whonix trolls...
I saw another user complain about patricks behavior. I commented to say I've experience the same thing so that user did not feel alone. Then I responded to the notice in my email that Patrick posted on whonix forums. Then he hurls a profanity at me. Which has now been deleted and he denies. And now I'm banned so I can't respond. I was the one first called a troll. I was the one being badmouthed. I'm not gonna let him ban me and hide like a coward. His character is definitely related to the integrity of Qubes. If he has none, how can we expect his project to have some? I've stated my opinions and experiences with the whonix qube and tor. And If you don't like them state your case. Rather then try to censor me like a nazi... -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "qubes-users" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to qubes-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to qubes-users@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/qubes-users/a199af5c-6e11-47bc-924f-33b75bf61138%40googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re[2]: [qubes-users] Responding to the Whonix trolls...
On 28.02.2019 15:10:21, "unman" wrote: On Thu, Feb 28, 2019 at 11:03:12AM +0100, Achim Patzner wrote: On 20190227 at 22:30 -0800 cooloutac wrote: Whenever I accidentally read a posting by raahelps@ I'm wondering what crime we committed to have to bear something like this and what could be done to avoid attracting people like that... Do us all a favour and go troll somewhere else I don't think this is helpful I guess I'm of a different opinion in that case. Sometimes someone has to speak up and draw a line in the sand. Please consider the guidelines and be respectful and polite to others. Unlike others I strongly believe that respect has to be earned and it can be retracted. The user in question spent nearly all his time on this mailing list. And _none_ of his postings ever enriched any discussion. Keep in mind that "a wise man changes his mind, a fool never will" just means the fools will win in the end. None of these accusations of trolling help build the community, or advance Qubes. In that case I would like to demand a vote (of exclusion of certain users) as this is building a community I wouldn't want to be a part of. I can understand why he is not welcome on the whonix lists anymore. And I strongly believe it should be the same here. I guess we will need a management decision on that point. Achim -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "qubes-users" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to qubes-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to qubes-users@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/qubes-users/emae3e488d-2e2c-40a3-aca0-de466355820d%40sir-face. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
