Re: [ntp:questions] NTP 4.2.5p238-RC Released
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Re: [ntp:questions] ntp.cs.mu.oz.au going away - 2010-01-01
Wilson R. Afonso wafo...@csse.unimelb.edu.au writes: Hello all, The Department of Computer Science of the University of Melbourne has for many years hosted the stratum 1 NTP server at ntp.cs.mu.oz.au. This service is heavily used, with requests coming from all corners of the world; it responds to approximately 500 requests per second on average. This service will be discontinued from 01 January 2010. We no longer have the capability (budget and manpower) to maintain the service in its current state, and rather than letting it degrade and fail, we're bringing it down in a controlled manner. To bad. But I am wondering what the manpower requirements are? You have GPS receivers and they would not seem to me to require must maintainance. We kindly ask that anyone who perchance maintains a publicly available list of NTP servers remove ntp.cs.mu.oz.au and related servers (ntp0, ntp1, ntp2) from that list. We are doing our best to locate maintainers of high-profile lists to get the servers unlisted. A similar request is made of anyone who ships software that includes these servers in a list of possible synchronisation targets. Also, of course, if you manage systems that sync with these servers, we ask that you start using a different system. We atrongly recommend using the services of pool.ntp.org. Thank you for your cooperation. -Wilson -- Wilson Roberto Afonso wafo...@unimelb.edu.au Systems Administrator +61 3 8344 1271 IT Services Melbourne School of Engineering ___ questions mailing list questions@lists.ntp.org https://lists.ntp.org/mailman/listinfo/questions
Re: [ntp:questions] ntp.cs.mu.oz.au going away - 2010-01-01
Unruh unruh-s...@physics.ubc.ca wrote: Wilson R. Afonso wafo...@csse.unimelb.edu.au writes: The Department of Computer Science of the University of Melbourne has for many years hosted the stratum 1 NTP server at ntp.cs.mu.oz.au. This service is heavily used, with requests coming from all corners of the world; it responds to approximately 500 requests per second on average. This service will be discontinued from 01 January 2010. We no longer have the capability (budget and manpower) to maintain the service in its current state, and rather than letting it degrade and fail, we're bringing it down in a controlled manner. To bad. But I am wondering what the manpower requirements are? You have GPS receivers and they would not seem to me to require must maintainance. We may all be at least idly curious as to the why, but it seems that it would be better to thank Wilson and the University of Melbourne for their service to the community and wish them well. Our's is not to second guess their decision. rick jones -- The glass is neither half-empty nor half-full. The glass has a leak. The real question is Can it be patched? these opinions are mine, all mine; HP might not want them anyway... :) feel free to post, OR email to rick.jones2 in hp.com but NOT BOTH... ___ questions mailing list questions@lists.ntp.org https://lists.ntp.org/mailman/listinfo/questions
Re: [ntp:questions] ntp.cs.mu.oz.au going away - 2010-01-01
Rick Jones rick.jon...@hp.com writes: Unruh unruh-s...@physics.ubc.ca wrote: Wilson R. Afonso wafo...@csse.unimelb.edu.au writes: The Department of Computer Science of the University of Melbourne has for many years hosted the stratum 1 NTP server at ntp.cs.mu.oz.au. This service is heavily used, with requests coming from all corners of the world; it responds to approximately 500 requests per second on average. This service will be discontinued from 01 January 2010. We no longer have the capability (budget and manpower) to maintain the service in its current state, and rather than letting it degrade and fail, we're bringing it down in a controlled manner. To bad. But I am wondering what the manpower requirements are? You have GPS receivers and they would not seem to me to require must maintainance. We may all be at least idly curious as to the why, but it seems that it would be better to thank Wilson and the University of Melbourne for their service to the community and wish them well. Our's is not to second guess their decision. Agreed. But I am curious, since I do not see much demand on capability to hosting such a server, so the reason he gives is puzzling. It may be that the administration thinks that hosting such a server is a high capabilities job. Or it could be that they lost the person who really knew ntp and noone else feels comfortable supporting it. ___ questions mailing list questions@lists.ntp.org https://lists.ntp.org/mailman/listinfo/questions
Re: [ntp:questions] ntp.cs.mu.oz.au going away - 2010-01-01
On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 20:34:19 GMT, Unruh wrote: Agreed. But I am curious, since I do not see much demand on capability to hosting such a server, so the reason he gives is puzzling. It may be that the administration thinks that hosting such a server is a high capabilities job. Or it could be that they lost the person who really knew ntp and noone else feels comfortable supporting it. The main problem is that the servers doing the job are very old and need to be replaced; one of them is already failing. However, they all run old versions of NetBSD with custom-made drivers supporting custom-made hardware to interface with the GPS receiver; the people responsible for the software and hardware are long gone from the University. Transferring the software into new servers is not a trivial matter -- we'd probably be better off scraping them altogether and going to a more standard package, but that would involve more work (and money) than we can justify in the current climate. One secondary issue is the traffic cost incurred by the University (and the department). We are billed for any incoming traffic not originating from research networks, which means that we pay for most NTP requests we receive. The amount of traffic has been going up faster than the cost of traffic has been coming down, and it makes up a significant part of the Internet costs for the School of Engineering. Personally, I would love to be able to keep the service running, and it has been a recurring subject in internal discussions over at least the last 18 months. The hardware failures we're starting to see ended up tipping the scales towards the decision to turn the service off, sadly. -Wilson -- Wilson Roberto Afonso wafo...@unimelb.edu.au Systems Administrator +61 3 8344 1271 IT Services Melbourne School of Engineering ___ questions mailing list questions@lists.ntp.org https://lists.ntp.org/mailman/listinfo/questions
Re: [ntp:questions] NTP 4.2.5p230-RC Released
Dave Hart wrote: On Sat, Oct 10, 2009 at 2:06 PM, Pierre Dubuc wrote: I get an OpenSSL error in my event log when launching 4.2.5p231-RC. Quote: The description for Event ID ( 0 ) in Source ( OPENSSL ) cannot be found. The local computer may not have the necessary registry information or message DLL files to display messages from a remote computer. You may be able to use the /AUXSOURCE= flag to retrieve this description; see Help and Support for details. The following information is part of the event: OPENSSL_Uplink(100F1020,05): no OPENSSL_Applink End quote. Those binaries were built against OpenSSL 0.9.8j. I installed 0.9.8k just now and rebuilt the 4.2.5p231-RC .zip files I posted earlier with it. Hopefully that will solve your problem. ntpd builds on Windows shouldn't be so tightly-bound to the OpenSSL version they're built against. A solution has been proposed by Martin Burnicki in http://bugs.ntp.org/1302 but it has not been implemented yet. Not for this. There is no way to do this since the dll order is not guaranteed. You have to ship the dll of the version that you built with. I also strongly recommend that it never be copied to system32 but be placed in the same directory as the ntpd binary. Danny -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. ___ questions mailing list questions@lists.ntp.org https://lists.ntp.org/mailman/listinfo/questions
Re: [ntp:questions] NTP 4.2.5p230-RC Released
On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 2:48 AM, Danny Mayer ma...@ntp.org wrote: Dave Hart wrote: ntpd builds on Windows shouldn't be so tightly-bound to the OpenSSL version they're built against. A solution has been proposed by Martin Burnicki in http://bugs.ntp.org/1302 but it has not been implemented yet. Not for this. There is no way to do this since the dll order is not guaranteed. You have to ship the dll of the version that you built with. In the two weeks since this email was written, the bug 1302 applink fix has gone in. I have no idea what makes you think the DLL load order is not guaranteed. The order is spelled out in gory detail in the remarks section of the LoadLibraryEx documentation: http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms684179(VS.85).aspx As for shipping DLLs I build with, that is not practical as inane US export restrictions on crypto prevent me from shipping any OpenSSL DLLs to go with the NTP binaries I post. With the bug 1302 applink change in place, your comments notwithstanding, I have every reason to believe it's doing as designed and allowing those with slightly different OpenSSL DLLs to run my binaries. I also strongly recommend that it never be copied to system32 but be placed in the same directory as the ntpd binary. Good advice. Cheers, Dave Hart ___ questions mailing list questions@lists.ntp.org https://lists.ntp.org/mailman/listinfo/questions
