[ntp:questions] What exactly happens to ntpd if it is made to run and no server address is given in the ntp.conf file?

2012-09-25 Thread Arpith Nayak
Could someone give me a blow-by-blow account of what happens exactly?
Also, does ntpd search for an NTP server in the network accessible by it if
no server is specified? Can we implement this functionality if not
available?

Regards,
Arpith
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Re: [ntp:questions] What exactly happens to ntpd if it is made to run and no server address is given in the ntp.conf file?

2012-09-25 Thread Richard B. Gilbert

On 9/25/2012 12:26 PM, Arpith Nayak wrote:

Could someone give me a blow-by-blow account of what happens exactly?
Also, does ntpd search for an NTP server in the network accessible by it if
no server is specified? Can we implement this functionality if not
available?

Regards,
Arpith



What problem are you trying to solve?  I don't know what NTPD will do if 
run without a time source.  I can't think of any use for such a 
configuration!



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Re: [ntp:questions] What exactly happens to ntpd if it is made to run and no server address is given in the ntp.conf file?

2012-09-25 Thread Chuck Swiger
On Sep 25, 2012, at 9:26 AM, Arpith Nayak wrote:
 Could someone give me a blow-by-blow account of what happens exactly?
 Also, does ntpd search for an NTP server in the network accessible by it if
 no server is specified? Can we implement this functionality if not
 available?

If you try to start ntpd without any valid config, it returns an error:

getconfig: Couldn't open /etc/ntp.conf

If you have an ntp.conf which doesn't specify any timeservers, ntpd will run,
and probably will apply any drift file if one is available to the local clock,
but the time will not be disciplined further.

I believe ntpd will stay at stratum=16 unless at least the local clock, TOS 
orphan
mode, or some other time source is available.  I suspect that you are looking 
for
either the pool directive in recent ntpd versions, or maybe multicast?

Regards,
-- 
-Chuck

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Re: [ntp:questions] What exactly happens to ntpd if it is made to run and no server address is given in the ntp.conf file?

2012-09-25 Thread unruh
On 2012-09-25, Arpith Nayak arpithna...@gmail.com wrote:
 Could someone give me a blow-by-blow account of what happens exactly?

Try it. It quits AFAIK but I have never tried it.

 Also, does ntpd search for an NTP server in the network accessible by it if
 no server is specified? Can we implement this functionality if not

No. Where in the world would it search? Would you really want ntpd to try
every ip address on the internet to see if an ntpd server resides there?

 available?

 Regards,
 Arpith

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Re: [ntp:questions] What exactly happens to ntpd if it is made to run and no server address is given in the ntp.conf file?

2012-09-25 Thread Steve Kostecke
On 2012-09-25, Brian Utterback brian.utterb...@oracle.com wrote:

 On 9/25/2012 3:18 PM, unruh wrote:

 On 2012-09-25, Arpith Nayak arpithna...@gmail.com wrote:

 Could someone give me a blow-by-blow account of what happens
 exactly?

 Try it. It quits AFAIK but I have never tried it.

 Also, does ntpd search for an NTP server in the network accessible
 by it if no server is specified? Can we implement this functionality
 if not

 No. Where in the world would it search? Would you really want ntpd to
 try every ip address on the internet to see if an ntpd server resides
 there?

 Isn't that essentially what manycast does?

As long as your network topology supports the multicast server discovery
messages.

A minimal default configuration usable over the public Internet (which,
AFAIK, does not propagate multicast messages) requires the pool
directive.

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Steve Kostecke koste...@ntp.org
NTP Public Services Project - http://support.ntp.org/

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Re: [ntp:questions] What exactly happens to ntpd if it is made to run and no server address is given in the ntp.conf file?

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Arpith Nayak wrote:
 Also, does ntpd search for an NTP server in the network
  accessible by it if no server is specified?
 Can we implement this functionality if not available?

You can do something like:
# ALL (Clients and/or Servers)
tos cohort 1 orphan 11
restrict default limited kod nomodify notrap
restrict 127.0.0.1
restrict source nomodify
keys /etc/ntp.keys # e.g. contains: 123 M YOUR_MD5_KEY
trustedkey 123
manycastserver  224.0.1.1
manycastclient  224.0.1.1 key 123 preempt
multicastclient 224.0.1.1 key 123 preempt
broadcastclient

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