Re: [Rd] New version of X11, png and jpeg

2008-04-30 Thread Maarten Blaauw

The now default Cairo results in much prettier graphs, but dense graphs such
as plot(rnorm(1e4)) take considerably longer to plot than using
X11(type=Xlib). This has already been mentioned, but I was wondering if we
users could expect Cairo speed increases in the near future?

Slower under some circumstances (although on the test systems much faster
than packages Cairo and cairoDevice).  This will be particularly true for
X11() with a slow connection between the machine running R and the X server.

Using R 2.7.0 on Ubuntu 8.04 (Pentium 4 1.70 GHz on one machine and Centrino
Duo on another)
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Re: [Rd] New version of X11, png and jpeg

2008-04-30 Thread Michael Lawrence
On Wed, Apr 30, 2008 at 10:26 AM, Maarten Blaauw [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:


 The now default Cairo results in much prettier graphs, but dense graphs
 such
 as plot(rnorm(1e4)) take considerably longer to plot than using
 X11(type=Xlib). This has already been mentioned, but I was wondering if
 we
 users could expect Cairo speed increases in the near future?


I'm skeptical that the base performance of the Cairo library will improve
much, but there has long been talk of a hardware-accelerated backend. Most
recently, someone came up with one based on OpenVG (and its ShivaVG
implementation using OpenGL and C). It's a long way from being part of base
Cairo (or even released on its own).

Of course, it would really help to optimize at a higher level (e.g. use
caching to avoid re-rendering the same glyph thousands of times).

I've also thought about using a vector-based API directly on top of OpenGL,
like what Qt (and now the clutter project) has, but that's getting
off-topic.



 Slower under some circumstances (although on the test systems much faster
 than packages Cairo and cairoDevice).  This will be particularly true for
 X11() with a slow connection between the machine running R and the X
 server.

 Using R 2.7.0 on Ubuntu 8.04 (Pentium 4 1.70 GHz on one machine and
 Centrino
 Duo on another)
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Re: [Rd] New version of X11, png and jpeg

2008-04-30 Thread Prof Brian Ripley

On Wed, 30 Apr 2008, Maarten Blaauw wrote:



The now default Cairo results in much prettier graphs, but dense graphs such
as plot(rnorm(1e4)) take considerably longer to plot than using
X11(type=Xlib). This has already been mentioned, but I was wondering if we
users could expect Cairo speed increases in the near future?


Some.  As Michael Lawrence has already said, cairo speed is an issue and 
unlilkely to improve any time soon. And anti-aliasing takes some CPU time.


What we can do is to reduce the information passing between R and the X 
server.  I already have timer-based double buffering running (the same 
scheme as on Windows), and that helps a lot in the circumstances mentioned 
(lots of small symbols).  There are some event-loop-interface issues to 
sort out before it get committed to R-devel.


type=nbcairo is likely to be faster in your example, but not as fast as 
the buffered device planned for 2.8.0.


The X11 server does make quite a difference -- I am running fairly decent 
Nvidia cards with the Nvidia X server module, and that has much higher 
performance than the vanilla one that Fedora ships.


In the end the reason we offer a choice of types is that there are 
different needs on the quality vs speed axis.




Slower under some circumstances (although on the test systems much faster

than packages Cairo and cairoDevice).  This will be particularly true for
X11() with a slow connection between the machine running R and the X server.

Using R 2.7.0 on Ubuntu 8.04 (Pentium 4 1.70 GHz on one machine and Centrino
Duo on another)
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Re: [Rd] New version of X11, png and jpeg

2008-02-26 Thread Prof Brian Ripley
Revision r44621 supports (in a limited way) cairo 1.0 and hence I believe 
vanilla FC5 -- I found what purports to be a vanilla FC5 box and it works 
quite well there.

Two people have reported that the svg(), cairo-pdf() and cairo-ps() 
devices produce blank (but not empty) files.  I was able to confirm that 
on Debian etch (cairo 1.2.4).  They do work on cairo 1.4.14 (F8) and 
better on a 1.5.10 snapshot.

We've got a working version on Mac OS X, but you need to install cairo.

Finally, the quality of the fonts you see will depend on what fonts you 
have installed: if you only have X11 bitmapped fonts, that is what you 
will get (and I am getting on our minimally configured Debian etch 
machine).  Our Fedora installations are mainly using the URW Type 1 fonts 
in the urw-fonts RPM.  One of the alternatives is RH's liberation fonts 
(https://www.redhat.com/promo/fonts/).

On Mon, 25 Feb 2008, Prof Brian Ripley wrote:

 That call is from Cairo 1.2, so looks like our test FC5 box had a later 
 version of the cairo libraries than the one pkg-config reported.

 You should be able to build with --without-cairo until such a time as we can 
 add a suitable configure test.

 Thank you for the report.

 On Mon, 25 Feb 2008, Roger Peng wrote:

 (Apologies, I meant to 'Reply to all' the first time but forgot).
 
 I built r44608 of R-devel with (I think) cairo support.   At least,
 that's what the configure script told me.  In addition,
 'capabilities(cairo)' is TRUE.  Calling X11(type = Cairo) gives me
 the error:
 
 Error in X11() : X11 module cannot be loaded
 In addition: Warning message:
 In X11() :
 unable to load shared library
 '/home/rpeng/install/R-devel/lib64/R/modules//R_X11.so':
 /home/rpeng/install/R-devel/lib64/R/modules//R_X11.so: undefined
 symbol: cairo_image_surface_get_data
 
 
 I figured I must be missing a library somewhere, but I'm not sure how
 to track down which one.  Any thoughts here?
 
 I'm on a FC5 system with:
 
 cairo-devel-1.0.4-1
 cairo-1.0.4-1
 cairo-1.0.4-1
 
 and
 
 pango-1.12.4-4
 pango-devel-1.12.4-4
 pango-1.12.4-4
 
 Also, I have
 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] R-source]$ pkg-config --modversion pango
 1.12.4
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] R-source]$ pkg-config --modversion cairo
 1.0.4
 
 -roger
 
 On Mon, Feb 25, 2008 at 11:56 AM, Prof Brian Ripley
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 R-devel has new versions of the X11(), png() and jpeg() devices on
  Unix-alikes.  The intention is that these are used identically to the
  previous versions (which remain available) but will produce 
 higher-quality
  output with more features.

  Pros:

  Antialiasing of text and lines (can be turned off) but no blurring of
  fills.

  Buffering of the X11 display and fast repainting from a backing image.
  (The intention is to emulate the timer-based buffering of the windows()
  device in due course, but not for 2.7.0.)

  Ability to use translucent colours, including backgrounds, and produce
  partially transparent PNG files.

  Scalable text, including to sizes like 4.5 pt. This allows more accurate
  sizing on non-standard screen sizes (e.g. my home machine has a 90dpi
  1650x1024 display whereas standard X11 fonts are set up for 75 or 100
  dpi).

  Full support for UTF-8, so on systems with suitable fonts you can plot in
  many languages on a single figure (and this will work even in non-UTF-8
  locales).  The output should be locale-independent (unlike the current
  devices where even English text is rendered slightly differently in
  Latin-1 and UTF-8 locales).

  A utility function savePlot() to make a PNG/JPEG/TIFF copy of the current
  plot.

  The new png() and jpeg() devices do not require an X server to be 
 running.

  Cons:

  Needs more software installed - cairo, pango and support packages (which
  on all the systems we have looked at are pulled in by the packages 
 checked
  for).  You will see something like

Additional capabilities:   PNG, JPEG, iconv, MBCS, NLS, cairo
^
  if configure finds the software we are looking for.

  Slower under some circumstances (although on the test systems much faster
  than packages Cairo and cairoDevice).  This will be particularly true for
  X11() with a slow connection between the machine running R and the X
  server.

  The additional software might not work correctly.
 

  The new versions are not currently the default, but can be made so by
  setting X11.options(type=Cairo), e.g. as a load hook for package
  grDevices.  I am using

  setHook(packageEvent(grDevices, onLoad),
  function(...) {
  grDevices::ps.options(horizontal=FALSE)
  if(getRversion() = '2.7.0') grDevices::X11.options(type=Cairo)
  })
 

  Please try these out and let us know how you get on.  As a check, try the
  TestChars() examples in ?points - on one Solaris 10 system a few of the
  symbol font characters were incorrect.  It worked on an FC5 system with

  auk% pkg-config --modversion pango
  1.12.4
  

Re: [Rd] New version of X11, png and jpeg

2008-02-26 Thread Roger D. Peng
Thanks, running r44621 works well (on my FC5 box) and I can make various plots 
(I just did some limited testing).

When I run the 'TestChars()' example in 'points' I get many warnings of the 
form:

1: In plot.xy(xy.coords(x, y), type = type, ...) :
   pch value '128' is invalid in this locale
2: In plot.xy(xy.coords(x, y), type = type, ...) :
   pch value '129' is invalid in this locale
3: In plot.xy(xy.coords(x, y), type = type, ...) :
   pch value '130' is invalid in this locale

The warnings go until

49: In plot.xy(xy.coords(x, y), type = type, ...) :
   pch value '176' is invalid in this locale
50: In plot.xy(xy.coords(x, y), type = type, ...) :
   pch value '177' is invalid in this locale

after which I think the warnings are not saved.  Given the note in 'points' I 
sense this is expected?

TestChars(sign = -1) and TestChars(font = 5) do not give any warnings but some 
odd looking characters do appear on the device.

Here is my sessionInfo:

  sessionInfo()
R version 2.7.0 Under development (unstable) (--)
x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu

locale:
LC_CTYPE=en_US.UTF-8;LC_NUMERIC=C;LC_TIME=en_US.UTF-8;LC_COLLATE=en_US.UTF-8;LC_MONETARY=en_US.UTF-8;LC_MESSAGES=en_US.UTF-8;LC_PAPER=en_US.UTF-8;LC_NAME=C;LC_ADDRESS=C;LC_TELEPHONE=C;LC_MEASUREMENT=en_US.UTF-8;LC_IDENTIFICATION=C

attached base packages:
[1] stats graphics  grDevices utils datasets  methods   base

other attached packages:
[1] lattice_0.17-6 RColorBrewer_1.0-2 cacher_0.1-1

loaded via a namespace (and not attached):
[1] digest_0.3.1 grid_2.7.0   tools_2.7.0


-roger

Prof Brian Ripley wrote:
 Revision r44621 supports (in a limited way) cairo 1.0 and hence I believe 
 vanilla FC5 -- I found what purports to be a vanilla FC5 box and it works 
 quite well there.
 
 Two people have reported that the svg(), cairo-pdf() and cairo-ps() 
 devices produce blank (but not empty) files.  I was able to confirm that 
 on Debian etch (cairo 1.2.4).  They do work on cairo 1.4.14 (F8) and 
 better on a 1.5.10 snapshot.
 
 We've got a working version on Mac OS X, but you need to install cairo.
 
 Finally, the quality of the fonts you see will depend on what fonts you 
 have installed: if you only have X11 bitmapped fonts, that is what you 
 will get (and I am getting on our minimally configured Debian etch 
 machine).  Our Fedora installations are mainly using the URW Type 1 fonts 
 in the urw-fonts RPM.  One of the alternatives is RH's liberation fonts 
 (https://www.redhat.com/promo/fonts/).
 
 On Mon, 25 Feb 2008, Prof Brian Ripley wrote:
 
 That call is from Cairo 1.2, so looks like our test FC5 box had a later 
 version of the cairo libraries than the one pkg-config reported.

 You should be able to build with --without-cairo until such a time as we can 
 add a suitable configure test.

 Thank you for the report.

 On Mon, 25 Feb 2008, Roger Peng wrote:

 (Apologies, I meant to 'Reply to all' the first time but forgot).

 I built r44608 of R-devel with (I think) cairo support.   At least,
 that's what the configure script told me.  In addition,
 'capabilities(cairo)' is TRUE.  Calling X11(type = Cairo) gives me
 the error:

 Error in X11() : X11 module cannot be loaded
 In addition: Warning message:
 In X11() :
 unable to load shared library
 '/home/rpeng/install/R-devel/lib64/R/modules//R_X11.so':
 /home/rpeng/install/R-devel/lib64/R/modules//R_X11.so: undefined
 symbol: cairo_image_surface_get_data


 I figured I must be missing a library somewhere, but I'm not sure how
 to track down which one.  Any thoughts here?

 I'm on a FC5 system with:

 cairo-devel-1.0.4-1
 cairo-1.0.4-1
 cairo-1.0.4-1

 and

 pango-1.12.4-4
 pango-devel-1.12.4-4
 pango-1.12.4-4

 Also, I have

 [EMAIL PROTECTED] R-source]$ pkg-config --modversion pango
 1.12.4
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] R-source]$ pkg-config --modversion cairo
 1.0.4

 -roger

 On Mon, Feb 25, 2008 at 11:56 AM, Prof Brian Ripley
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 R-devel has new versions of the X11(), png() and jpeg() devices on
  Unix-alikes.  The intention is that these are used identically to the
  previous versions (which remain available) but will produce 
 higher-quality
  output with more features.

  Pros:

  Antialiasing of text and lines (can be turned off) but no blurring of
  fills.

  Buffering of the X11 display and fast repainting from a backing image.
  (The intention is to emulate the timer-based buffering of the windows()
  device in due course, but not for 2.7.0.)

  Ability to use translucent colours, including backgrounds, and produce
  partially transparent PNG files.

  Scalable text, including to sizes like 4.5 pt. This allows more accurate
  sizing on non-standard screen sizes (e.g. my home machine has a 90dpi
  1650x1024 display whereas standard X11 fonts are set up for 75 or 100
  dpi).

  Full support for UTF-8, so on systems with suitable fonts you can plot in
  many languages on a single figure (and this will work even in non-UTF-8
  locales).  The output should be locale-independent 

Re: [Rd] New version of X11, png and jpeg

2008-02-26 Thread Prof Brian Ripley
On Tue, 26 Feb 2008, Roger D. Peng wrote:

 Thanks, running r44621 works well (on my FC5 box) and I can make various 
 plots (I just did some limited testing).

 When I run the 'TestChars()' example in 'points' I get many warnings of the 
 form:

 1: In plot.xy(xy.coords(x, y), type = type, ...) :
  pch value '128' is invalid in this locale
 2: In plot.xy(xy.coords(x, y), type = type, ...) :
  pch value '129' is invalid in this locale
 3: In plot.xy(xy.coords(x, y), type = type, ...) :
  pch value '130' is invalid in this locale

 The warnings go until

 49: In plot.xy(xy.coords(x, y), type = type, ...) :
  pch value '176' is invalid in this locale
 50: In plot.xy(xy.coords(x, y), type = type, ...) :
  pch value '177' is invalid in this locale

 after which I think the warnings are not saved.  Given the note in 'points' I 
 sense this is expected?

In a UTF_8 locale, yes.  Not in a, say, Latin-1 locale.

 TestChars(sign = -1) and TestChars(font = 5) do not give any warnings but 
 some odd looking characters do appear on the device.

 Here is my sessionInfo:

 sessionInfo()
 R version 2.7.0 Under development (unstable) (--)
 x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu

 locale:
 LC_CTYPE=en_US.UTF-8;LC_NUMERIC=C;LC_TIME=en_US.UTF-8;LC_COLLATE=en_US.UTF-8;LC_MONETARY=en_US.UTF-8;LC_MESSAGES=en_US.UTF-8;LC_PAPER=en_US.UTF-8;LC_NAME=C;LC_ADDRESS=C;LC_TELEPHONE=C;LC_MEASUREMENT=en_US.UTF-8;LC_IDENTIFICATION=C

 attached base packages:
 [1] stats graphics  grDevices utils datasets  methods   base

 other attached packages:
 [1] lattice_0.17-6 RColorBrewer_1.0-2 cacher_0.1-1

 loaded via a namespace (and not attached):
 [1] digest_0.3.1 grid_2.7.0   tools_2.7.0


 -roger

 Prof Brian Ripley wrote:
 Revision r44621 supports (in a limited way) cairo 1.0 and hence I believe 
 vanilla FC5 -- I found what purports to be a vanilla FC5 box and it works 
 quite well there.
 
 Two people have reported that the svg(), cairo-pdf() and cairo-ps() devices 
 produce blank (but not empty) files.  I was able to confirm that on Debian 
 etch (cairo 1.2.4).  They do work on cairo 1.4.14 (F8) and better on a 
 1.5.10 snapshot.
 
 We've got a working version on Mac OS X, but you need to install cairo.
 
 Finally, the quality of the fonts you see will depend on what fonts you 
 have installed: if you only have X11 bitmapped fonts, that is what you will 
 get (and I am getting on our minimally configured Debian etch machine). 
 Our Fedora installations are mainly using the URW Type 1 fonts in the 
 urw-fonts RPM.  One of the alternatives is RH's liberation fonts 
 (https://www.redhat.com/promo/fonts/).
 
 On Mon, 25 Feb 2008, Prof Brian Ripley wrote:
 
 That call is from Cairo 1.2, so looks like our test FC5 box had a later 
 version of the cairo libraries than the one pkg-config reported.
 
 You should be able to build with --without-cairo until such a time as we 
 can add a suitable configure test.
 
 Thank you for the report.
 
 On Mon, 25 Feb 2008, Roger Peng wrote:
 
 (Apologies, I meant to 'Reply to all' the first time but forgot).
 
 I built r44608 of R-devel with (I think) cairo support.   At least,
 that's what the configure script told me.  In addition,
 'capabilities(cairo)' is TRUE.  Calling X11(type = Cairo) gives me
 the error:
 
 Error in X11() : X11 module cannot be loaded
 In addition: Warning message:
 In X11() :
 unable to load shared library
 '/home/rpeng/install/R-devel/lib64/R/modules//R_X11.so':
 /home/rpeng/install/R-devel/lib64/R/modules//R_X11.so: undefined
 symbol: cairo_image_surface_get_data
 
 
 I figured I must be missing a library somewhere, but I'm not sure how
 to track down which one.  Any thoughts here?
 
 I'm on a FC5 system with:
 
 cairo-devel-1.0.4-1
 cairo-1.0.4-1
 cairo-1.0.4-1
 
 and
 
 pango-1.12.4-4
 pango-devel-1.12.4-4
 pango-1.12.4-4
 
 Also, I have
 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] R-source]$ pkg-config --modversion pango
 1.12.4
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] R-source]$ pkg-config --modversion cairo
 1.0.4
 
 -roger
 
 On Mon, Feb 25, 2008 at 11:56 AM, Prof Brian Ripley
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 R-devel has new versions of the X11(), png() and jpeg() devices on
  Unix-alikes.  The intention is that these are used identically to the
  previous versions (which remain available) but will produce 
 higher-quality
  output with more features.

  Pros:

  Antialiasing of text and lines (can be turned off) but no blurring of
  fills.

  Buffering of the X11 display and fast repainting from a backing image.
  (The intention is to emulate the timer-based buffering of the windows()
  device in due course, but not for 2.7.0.)

  Ability to use translucent colours, including backgrounds, and produce
  partially transparent PNG files.

  Scalable text, including to sizes like 4.5 pt. This allows more 
 accurate
  sizing on non-standard screen sizes (e.g. my home machine has a 90dpi
  1650x1024 display whereas standard X11 fonts are set up for 75 or 100
  dpi).

  Full support for UTF-8, so on systems with suitable fonts you can 

Re: [Rd] New version of X11, png and jpeg

2008-02-26 Thread Michael Lawrence
On Tue, Feb 26, 2008 at 1:00 AM, Prof Brian Ripley [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

 Michael,

  Would it be at all feasible to make the cairo backend available on
  all platforms and have it provide a public API through which an
  arbitrary cairo context could be passed as the drawing target?

 Offering an API is something I have considered for the TODO for 2.8.0.
 However, we are at the stage of finding out how widely this can be got to
 work and how well it works.


This is reasonable.



 Simon and I are working on MacOS X, and should have this working via a
 static cairo build (without pango) shortly.


Great.


  I don't think cairo on
 Windows works well enough: e.g. your Cairo() device has more than half the
 glyphs missing in the symbol font.


There are certainly issues. Hopefully most of those will be ironed out as
more win32 programs rely on Cairo (e.g. Firefox 3.0).




 Brian


 On Mon, 25 Feb 2008, Michael Lawrence wrote:

  On Mon, Feb 25, 2008 at 10:56 AM, Prof Brian Ripley 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  wrote:
 
  R-devel has new versions of the X11(), png() and jpeg() devices on
  Unix-alikes.  The intention is that these are used identically to the
  previous versions (which remain available) but will produce
 higher-quality
  output with more features.
 
  Pros:
 
  Antialiasing of text and lines (can be turned off) but no blurring of
  fills.
 
  Buffering of the X11 display and fast repainting from a backing image.
  (The intention is to emulate the timer-based buffering of the windows()
  device in due course, but not for 2.7.0.)
 
  Ability to use translucent colours, including backgrounds, and produce
  partially transparent PNG files.
 
  Scalable text, including to sizes like 4.5 pt. This allows more
 accurate
  sizing on non-standard screen sizes (e.g. my home machine has a 90dpi
  1650x1024 display whereas standard X11 fonts are set up for 75 or 100
  dpi).
 
  Full support for UTF-8, so on systems with suitable fonts you can plot
 in
  many languages on a single figure (and this will work even in non-UTF-8
  locales).  The output should be locale-independent (unlike the current
  devices where even English text is rendered slightly differently in
  Latin-1 and UTF-8 locales).
 
  A utility function savePlot() to make a PNG/JPEG/TIFF copy of the
 current
  plot.
 
  The new png() and jpeg() devices do not require an X server to be
 running.
 
  Cons:
 
  Needs more software installed - cairo, pango and support packages
 
 
  Would it be at all feasible to make the cairo backend available on all
  platforms and have it provide a public API through which an arbitrary
 cairo
  context could be passed as the drawing target? That would allow e.g.
  cairoDevice to be a much simpler module that draws the cairo context to
 a
  GTK+ window and manages the window and events. In that case, it would
 need
  to be renamed to 'gtkDevice2' or something.
 
  Michael
 
  (which
  on all the systems we have looked at are pulled in by the packages
 checked
  for).  You will see something like
 
Additional capabilities:   PNG, JPEG, iconv, MBCS, NLS, cairo
^
  if configure finds the software we are looking for.
 
  Slower under some circumstances (although on the test systems much
 faster
  than packages Cairo and cairoDevice).  This will be particularly true
 for
  X11() with a slow connection between the machine running R and the X
  server.
 
  The additional software might not work correctly.
 
 
  The new versions are not currently the default, but can be made so by
  setting X11.options(type=Cairo), e.g. as a load hook for package
  grDevices.  I am using
 
  setHook(packageEvent(grDevices, onLoad),
  function(...) {
  grDevices::ps.options(horizontal=FALSE)
  if(getRversion() = '2.7.0') grDevices::X11.options
 (type=Cairo)
  })
 
 
  Please try these out and let us know how you get on.  As a check, try
 the
  TestChars() examples in ?points - on one Solaris 10 system a few of the
  symbol font characters were incorrect.  It worked on an FC5 system with
 
  auk% pkg-config --modversion pango
  1.12.4
  auk% pkg-config --modversion cairo
  1.0.4
 
  so the versions required are not all recent.
 
  Although these devices would in principle work on Mac OS X, neither
 cairo
  nor pango is readily available.  We are working on other versions for
  Mac OS (X11 based on cairo/freetype, png/jpeg based on Quartz).
 
  There are also new svg() and tiff() devices.
 
  --
  Brian D. Ripley,  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Professor of Applied Statistics,  
  http://www.stats.ox.ac.uk/~ripley/http://www.stats.ox.ac.uk/%7Eripley/
 http://www.stats.ox.ac.uk/%7Eripley/
  University of Oxford, Tel:  +44 1865 272861 (self)
  1 South Parks Road, +44 1865 272866 (PA)
  Oxford OX1 3TG, UKFax:  +44 1865 272595
 
  __
  R-devel@r-project.org 

Re: [Rd] New version of X11, png and jpeg

2008-02-26 Thread Michael Lawrence
On Tue, Feb 26, 2008 at 8:18 AM, Prof Brian Ripley [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

 Revision r44621 supports (in a limited way) cairo 1.0 and hence I believe
 vanilla FC5 -- I found what purports to be a vanilla FC5 box and it works
 quite well there.

 Two people have reported that the svg(), cairo-pdf() and cairo-ps()
 devices produce blank (but not empty) files.  I was able to confirm that
 on Debian etch (cairo 1.2.4).  They do work on cairo 1.4.14 (F8) and
 better on a 1.5.10 snapshot.


My intuition is that there is a missing call to cairo_show_page(). I believe
this became unnecessary in the 1.4.x series. This should probably be called
any time there is new page (after the first) and when the device is closed.


 We've got a working version on Mac OS X, but you need to install cairo.

 Finally, the quality of the fonts you see will depend on what fonts you
 have installed: if you only have X11 bitmapped fonts, that is what you
 will get (and I am getting on our minimally configured Debian etch
 machine).  Our Fedora installations are mainly using the URW Type 1 fonts
 in the urw-fonts RPM.  One of the alternatives is RH's liberation fonts
 (https://www.redhat.com/promo/fonts/).

 On Mon, 25 Feb 2008, Prof Brian Ripley wrote:

  That call is from Cairo 1.2, so looks like our test FC5 box had a later
  version of the cairo libraries than the one pkg-config reported.
 
  You should be able to build with --without-cairo until such a time as we
 can
  add a suitable configure test.
 
  Thank you for the report.
 
  On Mon, 25 Feb 2008, Roger Peng wrote:
 
  (Apologies, I meant to 'Reply to all' the first time but forgot).
 
  I built r44608 of R-devel with (I think) cairo support.   At least,
  that's what the configure script told me.  In addition,
  'capabilities(cairo)' is TRUE.  Calling X11(type = Cairo) gives me
  the error:
 
  Error in X11() : X11 module cannot be loaded
  In addition: Warning message:
  In X11() :
  unable to load shared library
  '/home/rpeng/install/R-devel/lib64/R/modules//R_X11.so':
  /home/rpeng/install/R-devel/lib64/R/modules//R_X11.so: undefined
  symbol: cairo_image_surface_get_data
 
 
  I figured I must be missing a library somewhere, but I'm not sure how
  to track down which one.  Any thoughts here?
 
  I'm on a FC5 system with:
 
  cairo-devel-1.0.4-1
  cairo-1.0.4-1
  cairo-1.0.4-1
 
  and
 
  pango-1.12.4-4
  pango-devel-1.12.4-4
  pango-1.12.4-4
 
  Also, I have
 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] R-source]$ pkg-config --modversion pango
  1.12.4
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] R-source]$ pkg-config --modversion cairo
  1.0.4
 
  -roger
 
  On Mon, Feb 25, 2008 at 11:56 AM, Prof Brian Ripley
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  R-devel has new versions of the X11(), png() and jpeg() devices on
   Unix-alikes.  The intention is that these are used identically to the
   previous versions (which remain available) but will produce
  higher-quality
   output with more features.
 
   Pros:
 
   Antialiasing of text and lines (can be turned off) but no blurring of
   fills.
 
   Buffering of the X11 display and fast repainting from a backing
 image.
   (The intention is to emulate the timer-based buffering of the
 windows()
   device in due course, but not for 2.7.0.)
 
   Ability to use translucent colours, including backgrounds, and
 produce
   partially transparent PNG files.
 
   Scalable text, including to sizes like 4.5 pt. This allows more
 accurate
   sizing on non-standard screen sizes (e.g. my home machine has a 90dpi
   1650x1024 display whereas standard X11 fonts are set up for 75 or 100
   dpi).
 
   Full support for UTF-8, so on systems with suitable fonts you can
 plot in
   many languages on a single figure (and this will work even in
 non-UTF-8
   locales).  The output should be locale-independent (unlike the
 current
   devices where even English text is rendered slightly differently in
   Latin-1 and UTF-8 locales).
 
   A utility function savePlot() to make a PNG/JPEG/TIFF copy of the
 current
   plot.
 
   The new png() and jpeg() devices do not require an X server to be
  running.
 
   Cons:
 
   Needs more software installed - cairo, pango and support packages
 (which
   on all the systems we have looked at are pulled in by the packages
  checked
   for).  You will see something like
 
 Additional capabilities:   PNG, JPEG, iconv, MBCS, NLS, cairo
 ^
   if configure finds the software we are looking for.
 
   Slower under some circumstances (although on the test systems much
 faster
   than packages Cairo and cairoDevice).  This will be particularly true
 for
   X11() with a slow connection between the machine running R and the X
   server.
 
   The additional software might not work correctly.
 
 
   The new versions are not currently the default, but can be made so by
   setting X11.options(type=Cairo), e.g. as a load hook for package
   grDevices.  I am using
 
   setHook(packageEvent(grDevices, onLoad),
   

Re: [Rd] New version of X11, png and jpeg

2008-02-26 Thread Prof Brian Ripley
On Tue, 26 Feb 2008, Michael Lawrence wrote:

 On Tue, Feb 26, 2008 at 8:18 AM, Prof Brian Ripley [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:

 Revision r44621 supports (in a limited way) cairo 1.0 and hence I believe
 vanilla FC5 -- I found what purports to be a vanilla FC5 box and it works
 quite well there.

 Two people have reported that the svg(), cairo-pdf() and cairo-ps()
 devices produce blank (but not empty) files.  I was able to confirm that
 on Debian etch (cairo 1.2.4).  They do work on cairo 1.4.14 (F8) and
 better on a 1.5.10 snapshot.


 My intuition is that there is a missing call to cairo_show_page(). I believe
 this became unnecessary in the 1.4.x series. This should probably be called
 any time there is new page (after the first) and when the device is closed.

Yes, you are quite right (and of course the 1.5.x docs I was reading 
didn't say it was needed).  Unfortunately, that only defers the problems 
as fonts are not handled correctly in 1.2.x, at least on my test machine.

-- 
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Professor of Applied Statistics,  http://www.stats.ox.ac.uk/~ripley/
University of Oxford, Tel:  +44 1865 272861 (self)
1 South Parks Road, +44 1865 272866 (PA)
Oxford OX1 3TG, UKFax:  +44 1865 272595

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Re: [Rd] New version of X11, png and jpeg

2008-02-25 Thread Roger Peng
(Apologies, I meant to 'Reply to all' the first time but forgot).

I built r44608 of R-devel with (I think) cairo support.   At least,
that's what the configure script told me.  In addition,
'capabilities(cairo)' is TRUE.  Calling X11(type = Cairo) gives me
the error:

Error in X11() : X11 module cannot be loaded
In addition: Warning message:
In X11() :
 unable to load shared library
'/home/rpeng/install/R-devel/lib64/R/modules//R_X11.so':
 /home/rpeng/install/R-devel/lib64/R/modules//R_X11.so: undefined
symbol: cairo_image_surface_get_data


I figured I must be missing a library somewhere, but I'm not sure how
to track down which one.  Any thoughts here?

I'm on a FC5 system with:

cairo-devel-1.0.4-1
cairo-1.0.4-1
cairo-1.0.4-1

and

pango-1.12.4-4
pango-devel-1.12.4-4
pango-1.12.4-4

Also, I have

[EMAIL PROTECTED] R-source]$ pkg-config --modversion pango
1.12.4
[EMAIL PROTECTED] R-source]$ pkg-config --modversion cairo
1.0.4

-roger

On Mon, Feb 25, 2008 at 11:56 AM, Prof Brian Ripley
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 R-devel has new versions of the X11(), png() and jpeg() devices on
  Unix-alikes.  The intention is that these are used identically to the
  previous versions (which remain available) but will produce higher-quality
  output with more features.

  Pros:

  Antialiasing of text and lines (can be turned off) but no blurring of
  fills.

  Buffering of the X11 display and fast repainting from a backing image.
  (The intention is to emulate the timer-based buffering of the windows()
  device in due course, but not for 2.7.0.)

  Ability to use translucent colours, including backgrounds, and produce
  partially transparent PNG files.

  Scalable text, including to sizes like 4.5 pt. This allows more accurate
  sizing on non-standard screen sizes (e.g. my home machine has a 90dpi
  1650x1024 display whereas standard X11 fonts are set up for 75 or 100
  dpi).

  Full support for UTF-8, so on systems with suitable fonts you can plot in
  many languages on a single figure (and this will work even in non-UTF-8
  locales).  The output should be locale-independent (unlike the current
  devices where even English text is rendered slightly differently in
  Latin-1 and UTF-8 locales).

  A utility function savePlot() to make a PNG/JPEG/TIFF copy of the current
  plot.

  The new png() and jpeg() devices do not require an X server to be running.

  Cons:

  Needs more software installed - cairo, pango and support packages (which
  on all the systems we have looked at are pulled in by the packages checked
  for).  You will see something like

Additional capabilities:   PNG, JPEG, iconv, MBCS, NLS, cairo
^
  if configure finds the software we are looking for.

  Slower under some circumstances (although on the test systems much faster
  than packages Cairo and cairoDevice).  This will be particularly true for
  X11() with a slow connection between the machine running R and the X
  server.

  The additional software might not work correctly.


  The new versions are not currently the default, but can be made so by
  setting X11.options(type=Cairo), e.g. as a load hook for package
  grDevices.  I am using

  setHook(packageEvent(grDevices, onLoad),
  function(...) {
  grDevices::ps.options(horizontal=FALSE)
  if(getRversion() = '2.7.0') grDevices::X11.options(type=Cairo)
  })


  Please try these out and let us know how you get on.  As a check, try the
  TestChars() examples in ?points - on one Solaris 10 system a few of the
  symbol font characters were incorrect.  It worked on an FC5 system with

  auk% pkg-config --modversion pango
  1.12.4
  auk% pkg-config --modversion cairo
  1.0.4

  so the versions required are not all recent.

  Although these devices would in principle work on Mac OS X, neither cairo
  nor pango is readily available.  We are working on other versions for
  Mac OS (X11 based on cairo/freetype, png/jpeg based on Quartz).

  There are also new svg() and tiff() devices.

  --
  Brian D. Ripley,  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Professor of Applied Statistics,  http://www.stats.ox.ac.uk/~ripley/
  University of Oxford, Tel:  +44 1865 272861 (self)
  1 South Parks Road, +44 1865 272866 (PA)
  Oxford OX1 3TG, UKFax:  +44 1865 272595

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Re: [Rd] New version of X11, png and jpeg

2008-02-25 Thread Prof Brian Ripley
That call is from Cairo 1.2, so looks like our test FC5 box had a later 
version of the cairo libraries than the one pkg-config reported.

You should be able to build with --without-cairo until such a time as we 
can add a suitable configure test.

Thank you for the report.

On Mon, 25 Feb 2008, Roger Peng wrote:

 (Apologies, I meant to 'Reply to all' the first time but forgot).

 I built r44608 of R-devel with (I think) cairo support.   At least,
 that's what the configure script told me.  In addition,
 'capabilities(cairo)' is TRUE.  Calling X11(type = Cairo) gives me
 the error:

 Error in X11() : X11 module cannot be loaded
 In addition: Warning message:
 In X11() :
 unable to load shared library
 '/home/rpeng/install/R-devel/lib64/R/modules//R_X11.so':
 /home/rpeng/install/R-devel/lib64/R/modules//R_X11.so: undefined
 symbol: cairo_image_surface_get_data


 I figured I must be missing a library somewhere, but I'm not sure how
 to track down which one.  Any thoughts here?

 I'm on a FC5 system with:

 cairo-devel-1.0.4-1
 cairo-1.0.4-1
 cairo-1.0.4-1

 and

 pango-1.12.4-4
 pango-devel-1.12.4-4
 pango-1.12.4-4

 Also, I have

 [EMAIL PROTECTED] R-source]$ pkg-config --modversion pango
 1.12.4
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] R-source]$ pkg-config --modversion cairo
 1.0.4

 -roger

 On Mon, Feb 25, 2008 at 11:56 AM, Prof Brian Ripley
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 R-devel has new versions of the X11(), png() and jpeg() devices on
  Unix-alikes.  The intention is that these are used identically to the
  previous versions (which remain available) but will produce higher-quality
  output with more features.

  Pros:

  Antialiasing of text and lines (can be turned off) but no blurring of
  fills.

  Buffering of the X11 display and fast repainting from a backing image.
  (The intention is to emulate the timer-based buffering of the windows()
  device in due course, but not for 2.7.0.)

  Ability to use translucent colours, including backgrounds, and produce
  partially transparent PNG files.

  Scalable text, including to sizes like 4.5 pt. This allows more accurate
  sizing on non-standard screen sizes (e.g. my home machine has a 90dpi
  1650x1024 display whereas standard X11 fonts are set up for 75 or 100
  dpi).

  Full support for UTF-8, so on systems with suitable fonts you can plot in
  many languages on a single figure (and this will work even in non-UTF-8
  locales).  The output should be locale-independent (unlike the current
  devices where even English text is rendered slightly differently in
  Latin-1 and UTF-8 locales).

  A utility function savePlot() to make a PNG/JPEG/TIFF copy of the current
  plot.

  The new png() and jpeg() devices do not require an X server to be running.

  Cons:

  Needs more software installed - cairo, pango and support packages (which
  on all the systems we have looked at are pulled in by the packages checked
  for).  You will see something like

Additional capabilities:   PNG, JPEG, iconv, MBCS, NLS, cairo
^
  if configure finds the software we are looking for.

  Slower under some circumstances (although on the test systems much faster
  than packages Cairo and cairoDevice).  This will be particularly true for
  X11() with a slow connection between the machine running R and the X
  server.

  The additional software might not work correctly.


  The new versions are not currently the default, but can be made so by
  setting X11.options(type=Cairo), e.g. as a load hook for package
  grDevices.  I am using

  setHook(packageEvent(grDevices, onLoad),
  function(...) {
  grDevices::ps.options(horizontal=FALSE)
  if(getRversion() = '2.7.0') grDevices::X11.options(type=Cairo)
  })


  Please try these out and let us know how you get on.  As a check, try the
  TestChars() examples in ?points - on one Solaris 10 system a few of the
  symbol font characters were incorrect.  It worked on an FC5 system with

  auk% pkg-config --modversion pango
  1.12.4
  auk% pkg-config --modversion cairo
  1.0.4

  so the versions required are not all recent.

  Although these devices would in principle work on Mac OS X, neither cairo
  nor pango is readily available.  We are working on other versions for
  Mac OS (X11 based on cairo/freetype, png/jpeg based on Quartz).

  There are also new svg() and tiff() devices.

  --
  Brian D. Ripley,  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Professor of Applied Statistics,  http://www.stats.ox.ac.uk/~ripley/
  University of Oxford, Tel:  +44 1865 272861 (self)
  1 South Parks Road, +44 1865 272866 (PA)
  Oxford OX1 3TG, UKFax:  +44 1865 272595

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-- 
Brian D. Ripley,  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Professor of Applied Statistics, 

Re: [Rd] New version of X11, png and jpeg

2008-02-25 Thread Michael Lawrence
On Mon, Feb 25, 2008 at 10:56 AM, Prof Brian Ripley [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

 R-devel has new versions of the X11(), png() and jpeg() devices on
 Unix-alikes.  The intention is that these are used identically to the
 previous versions (which remain available) but will produce higher-quality
 output with more features.

 Pros:

 Antialiasing of text and lines (can be turned off) but no blurring of
 fills.

 Buffering of the X11 display and fast repainting from a backing image.
 (The intention is to emulate the timer-based buffering of the windows()
 device in due course, but not for 2.7.0.)

 Ability to use translucent colours, including backgrounds, and produce
 partially transparent PNG files.

 Scalable text, including to sizes like 4.5 pt. This allows more accurate
 sizing on non-standard screen sizes (e.g. my home machine has a 90dpi
 1650x1024 display whereas standard X11 fonts are set up for 75 or 100
 dpi).

 Full support for UTF-8, so on systems with suitable fonts you can plot in
 many languages on a single figure (and this will work even in non-UTF-8
 locales).  The output should be locale-independent (unlike the current
 devices where even English text is rendered slightly differently in
 Latin-1 and UTF-8 locales).

 A utility function savePlot() to make a PNG/JPEG/TIFF copy of the current
 plot.

 The new png() and jpeg() devices do not require an X server to be running.

 Cons:

 Needs more software installed - cairo, pango and support packages


Would it be at all feasible to make the cairo backend available on all
platforms and have it provide a public API through which an arbitrary cairo
context could be passed as the drawing target? That would allow e.g.
cairoDevice to be a much simpler module that draws the cairo context to a
GTK+ window and manages the window and events. In that case, it would need
to be renamed to 'gtkDevice2' or something.

Michael

(which
 on all the systems we have looked at are pulled in by the packages checked
 for).  You will see something like

   Additional capabilities:   PNG, JPEG, iconv, MBCS, NLS, cairo
   ^
 if configure finds the software we are looking for.

 Slower under some circumstances (although on the test systems much faster
 than packages Cairo and cairoDevice).  This will be particularly true for
 X11() with a slow connection between the machine running R and the X
 server.

 The additional software might not work correctly.


 The new versions are not currently the default, but can be made so by
 setting X11.options(type=Cairo), e.g. as a load hook for package
 grDevices.  I am using

 setHook(packageEvent(grDevices, onLoad),
 function(...) {
 grDevices::ps.options(horizontal=FALSE)
 if(getRversion() = '2.7.0') grDevices::X11.options(type=Cairo)
 })


 Please try these out and let us know how you get on.  As a check, try the
 TestChars() examples in ?points - on one Solaris 10 system a few of the
 symbol font characters were incorrect.  It worked on an FC5 system with

 auk% pkg-config --modversion pango
 1.12.4
 auk% pkg-config --modversion cairo
 1.0.4

 so the versions required are not all recent.

 Although these devices would in principle work on Mac OS X, neither cairo
 nor pango is readily available.  We are working on other versions for
 Mac OS (X11 based on cairo/freetype, png/jpeg based on Quartz).

 There are also new svg() and tiff() devices.

 --
 Brian D. Ripley,  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Professor of Applied Statistics,  
 http://www.stats.ox.ac.uk/~ripley/http://www.stats.ox.ac.uk/%7Eripley/
 University of Oxford, Tel:  +44 1865 272861 (self)
 1 South Parks Road, +44 1865 272866 (PA)
 Oxford OX1 3TG, UKFax:  +44 1865 272595

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Re: [Rd] New version of X11, png and jpeg

2008-02-25 Thread Prof Brian Ripley
Michael,

 Would it be at all feasible to make the cairo backend available on
 all platforms and have it provide a public API through which an
 arbitrary cairo context could be passed as the drawing target?

Offering an API is something I have considered for the TODO for 2.8.0. 
However, we are at the stage of finding out how widely this can be got to 
work and how well it works.

Simon and I are working on MacOS X, and should have this working via a 
static cairo build (without pango) shortly.  I don't think cairo on 
Windows works well enough: e.g. your Cairo() device has more than half the 
glyphs missing in the symbol font.

Brian


On Mon, 25 Feb 2008, Michael Lawrence wrote:

 On Mon, Feb 25, 2008 at 10:56 AM, Prof Brian Ripley [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:

 R-devel has new versions of the X11(), png() and jpeg() devices on
 Unix-alikes.  The intention is that these are used identically to the
 previous versions (which remain available) but will produce higher-quality
 output with more features.

 Pros:

 Antialiasing of text and lines (can be turned off) but no blurring of
 fills.

 Buffering of the X11 display and fast repainting from a backing image.
 (The intention is to emulate the timer-based buffering of the windows()
 device in due course, but not for 2.7.0.)

 Ability to use translucent colours, including backgrounds, and produce
 partially transparent PNG files.

 Scalable text, including to sizes like 4.5 pt. This allows more accurate
 sizing on non-standard screen sizes (e.g. my home machine has a 90dpi
 1650x1024 display whereas standard X11 fonts are set up for 75 or 100
 dpi).

 Full support for UTF-8, so on systems with suitable fonts you can plot in
 many languages on a single figure (and this will work even in non-UTF-8
 locales).  The output should be locale-independent (unlike the current
 devices where even English text is rendered slightly differently in
 Latin-1 and UTF-8 locales).

 A utility function savePlot() to make a PNG/JPEG/TIFF copy of the current
 plot.

 The new png() and jpeg() devices do not require an X server to be running.

 Cons:

 Needs more software installed - cairo, pango and support packages


 Would it be at all feasible to make the cairo backend available on all
 platforms and have it provide a public API through which an arbitrary cairo
 context could be passed as the drawing target? That would allow e.g.
 cairoDevice to be a much simpler module that draws the cairo context to a
 GTK+ window and manages the window and events. In that case, it would need
 to be renamed to 'gtkDevice2' or something.

 Michael

 (which
 on all the systems we have looked at are pulled in by the packages checked
 for).  You will see something like

   Additional capabilities:   PNG, JPEG, iconv, MBCS, NLS, cairo
   ^
 if configure finds the software we are looking for.

 Slower under some circumstances (although on the test systems much faster
 than packages Cairo and cairoDevice).  This will be particularly true for
 X11() with a slow connection between the machine running R and the X
 server.

 The additional software might not work correctly.


 The new versions are not currently the default, but can be made so by
 setting X11.options(type=Cairo), e.g. as a load hook for package
 grDevices.  I am using

 setHook(packageEvent(grDevices, onLoad),
 function(...) {
 grDevices::ps.options(horizontal=FALSE)
 if(getRversion() = '2.7.0') grDevices::X11.options(type=Cairo)
 })


 Please try these out and let us know how you get on.  As a check, try the
 TestChars() examples in ?points - on one Solaris 10 system a few of the
 symbol font characters were incorrect.  It worked on an FC5 system with

 auk% pkg-config --modversion pango
 1.12.4
 auk% pkg-config --modversion cairo
 1.0.4

 so the versions required are not all recent.

 Although these devices would in principle work on Mac OS X, neither cairo
 nor pango is readily available.  We are working on other versions for
 Mac OS (X11 based on cairo/freetype, png/jpeg based on Quartz).

 There are also new svg() and tiff() devices.

 --
 Brian D. Ripley,  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Professor of Applied Statistics,  
 http://www.stats.ox.ac.uk/~ripley/http://www.stats.ox.ac.uk/%7Eripley/
 University of Oxford, Tel:  +44 1865 272861 (self)
 1 South Parks Road, +44 1865 272866 (PA)
 Oxford OX1 3TG, UKFax:  +44 1865 272595

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Professor of Applied Statistics,  http://www.stats.ox.ac.uk/~ripley/
University of Oxford, Tel:  +44 1865 272861 (self)
1 South Parks Road, +44 1865 272866 (PA)
Oxford OX1 3TG, UKFax:  +44 1865 272595