Re: [Rd] No new daily R-devel tarball since r69202?

[Martin Maechler]

> Rainer Hurling 
> on Sun, 6 Sep 2015 08:40:13 +0200 writes:

> Am 05.09.2015 um 19:09 schrieb peter dalgaard:
>> 
>>> On 05 Sep 2015, at 13:54 , Rainer Hurling
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Am 05.09.2015 um 10:18 schrieb peter dalgaard:
 
> On 05 Sep 2015, at 08:28 , Rainer Hurling
>  wrote:
> 
> Is there any reason that the R-devel tarball at [1]
> stucks on r69202?
> 
> It seems, that newer R-devel versions are now
> published on /pub/misc/cran/src/base-prerelease, for
> example at http://ftp5.gwdg.de/pub/misc/cran/, but
> without an R-devel.tar.gz tarball ...
> 
> Is this intended? Any clarification would be
> appreciated.
 
 Probably not (it is on Martin Maechler's turf,
 though). These things are run by cron jobs, and
 sometimes they get stalled. It is also possible that a
 change to the build tools on that machine caused the
 tarballs to fail their builds (the way things work, you
 need to build R before you can build the tarball.)
>>> 
>>> Yes, I am aware of the build process before the
>>> tarball. The mail should only take some attention on it
>>> ;)
>>> 
>>> Since end of August, there had been a change of the
>>> location, where devel and patched sources are located:
>>> from https://stat.ethz.ch/R/daily/ to
>>> ::mirror::/pub/misc/cran/src/base-prerelease/
>> 
>> There is no change, there has been two locations for a
>> while now. One is an extension of the
>> alpha/beta/RC-releases built by me, leading up to the
>> release tarballs, the other maintained by Martin/ETHZ for
>> a much longer time. The issue is just that Martin's
>> updates seem to have been stalled for some reason.
>> 
>> This configuration sort of came sneaking up on us (long
>> story...), so the CRAN descriptions are not completely
>> precise.

> Thanks for the clarification. So it was intended to have
> two different places with (slightly) different aims.

>> It's not a big deal for me to set up so that there is
>> also an R-devel-latest.tar.gz or so in base-prerelease.

> This would be nice, but it only should be necessary, if
> the ETHZ server would not come up again with this service.

Thank you for the alert.
I've been teaching in a course "out of town" till Saturday,
and so could not easily attend to this.

I've manually rebuilt the tarballs at noon, and fixed the
(LD..PATH) settings so now the cron job again *does* build the
complete tarball from scratch...
which it stopped doing a bit more than a week ago, because of
some system level changes had broken the linking step (only in
'cron', not in manual interactive use).

Yes, I am happy to get alerts (by e-mail to my personal
address), and usually such hickups are fixed considerably
faster.

Best regards,
Martin


> Many thanks again for your answer and for the proposal.
> Greetings, Rainer Hurling

>> 
>> -pd
>> 
>>> 
>>> Perhaps something with the cron jobs did not follow
>>> these changes?
>>> 
 Is there a need for an R-devel.tar.gz in
 src/base-prerelease? It would just be a copy of the
 most recent one.
>>> 
>>> I prefer the R-devel.tar.gz without date and version
>>> number for automated fetching and building R-devel on
>>> FreeBSD on an almost daily basis.
>>> 
>>> Many thanks for your answer.
>>> 
>>> Regards, Rainer Hurling
>>> 
 
 -pd
 
> 
> Thanks and greetings, Rainer Hurling
> 
> 
> [1] https://stat.ethz.ch/R/daily/R-devel.tar.gz
>>

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Re: [Rd] No new daily R-devel tarball since r69202?

[Rainer Hurling]

Am 05.09.2015 um 19:09 schrieb peter dalgaard:
> 
>> On 05 Sep 2015, at 13:54 , Rainer Hurling  wrote:
>>
>> Am 05.09.2015 um 10:18 schrieb peter dalgaard:
>>>
 On 05 Sep 2015, at 08:28 , Rainer Hurling  wrote:

 Is there any reason that the R-devel tarball at [1] stucks on r69202?

 It seems, that newer R-devel versions are now published on
 /pub/misc/cran/src/base-prerelease, for example at
 http://ftp5.gwdg.de/pub/misc/cran/, but without an R-devel.tar.gz
 tarball ...

 Is this intended? Any clarification would be appreciated.
>>>
>>> Probably not (it is on Martin Maechler's turf, though). These things are 
>>> run by cron jobs, and sometimes they get stalled. It is also possible that 
>>> a change to the build tools on that machine caused the tarballs to fail 
>>> their builds (the way things work, you need to build R before you can build 
>>> the tarball.)
>>
>> Yes, I am aware of the build process before the tarball. The mail should
>> only take some attention on it ;)
>>
>> Since end of August, there had been a change of the location, where
>> devel and patched sources are located: from
>> https://stat.ethz.ch/R/daily/ to
>> ::mirror::/pub/misc/cran/src/base-prerelease/
> 
> There is no change, there has been two locations for a while now. One is an 
> extension of the alpha/beta/RC-releases built by me, leading up to the 
> release tarballs, the other maintained by Martin/ETHZ for a much longer time. 
> The issue is just that Martin's updates seem to have been stalled for some 
> reason.
> 
> This configuration sort of came sneaking up on us (long story...), so the 
> CRAN descriptions are not completely precise.

Thanks for the clarification. So it was intended to have two different
places with (slightly) different aims.

> It's not a big deal for me to set up so that there is also an 
> R-devel-latest.tar.gz or so in base-prerelease.

This would be nice, but it only should be necessary, if the ETHZ server
would not come up again with this service.

Many thanks again for your answer and for the proposal.

Greetings,
Rainer Hurling

> 
> -pd
> 
>>
>> Perhaps something with the cron jobs did not follow these changes?
>>
>>> Is there a need for an R-devel.tar.gz in src/base-prerelease? It would just 
>>> be a copy of the most recent one.
>>
>> I prefer the R-devel.tar.gz without date and version number for
>> automated fetching and building R-devel on FreeBSD on an almost daily basis.
>>
>> Many thanks for your answer.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Rainer Hurling
>>
>>>
>>> -pd
>>>

 Thanks and greetings,
 Rainer Hurling


 [1] https://stat.ethz.ch/R/daily/R-devel.tar.gz
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Re: [Rd] No new daily R-devel tarball since r69202?

[peter dalgaard]

> On 05 Sep 2015, at 08:28 , Rainer Hurling  wrote:
> 
> Is there any reason that the R-devel tarball at [1] stucks on r69202?
> 
> It seems, that newer R-devel versions are now published on
> /pub/misc/cran/src/base-prerelease, for example at
> http://ftp5.gwdg.de/pub/misc/cran/, but without an R-devel.tar.gz
> tarball ...
> 
> Is this intended? Any clarification would be appreciated.

Probably not (it is on Martin Maechler's turf, though). These things are run by 
cron jobs, and sometimes they get stalled. It is also possible that a change to 
the build tools on that machine caused the tarballs to fail their builds (the 
way things work, you need to build R before you can build the tarball.)

Is there a need for an R-devel.tar.gz in src/base-prerelease? It would just be 
a copy of the most recent one.

-pd

> 
> Thanks and greetings,
> Rainer Hurling
> 
> 
> [1] https://stat.ethz.ch/R/daily/R-devel.tar.gz
> 
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Re: [Rd] No new daily R-devel tarball since r69202?

[Rainer Hurling]

Am 05.09.2015 um 10:18 schrieb peter dalgaard:
> 
>> On 05 Sep 2015, at 08:28 , Rainer Hurling  wrote:
>>
>> Is there any reason that the R-devel tarball at [1] stucks on r69202?
>>
>> It seems, that newer R-devel versions are now published on
>> /pub/misc/cran/src/base-prerelease, for example at
>> http://ftp5.gwdg.de/pub/misc/cran/, but without an R-devel.tar.gz
>> tarball ...
>>
>> Is this intended? Any clarification would be appreciated.
> 
> Probably not (it is on Martin Maechler's turf, though). These things are run 
> by cron jobs, and sometimes they get stalled. It is also possible that a 
> change to the build tools on that machine caused the tarballs to fail their 
> builds (the way things work, you need to build R before you can build the 
> tarball.)

Yes, I am aware of the build process before the tarball. The mail should
only take some attention on it ;)

Since end of August, there had been a change of the location, where
devel and patched sources are located: from
https://stat.ethz.ch/R/daily/ to
::mirror::/pub/misc/cran/src/base-prerelease/

Perhaps something with the cron jobs did not follow these changes?

> Is there a need for an R-devel.tar.gz in src/base-prerelease? It would just 
> be a copy of the most recent one.

I prefer the R-devel.tar.gz without date and version number for
automated fetching and building R-devel on FreeBSD on an almost daily basis.

Many thanks for your answer.

Regards,
Rainer Hurling

> 
> -pd
> 
>>
>> Thanks and greetings,
>> Rainer Hurling
>>
>>
>> [1] https://stat.ethz.ch/R/daily/R-devel.tar.gz
>>

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Re: [Rd] No new daily R-devel tarball since r69202?

[peter dalgaard]

> On 05 Sep 2015, at 13:54 , Rainer Hurling  wrote:
> 
> Am 05.09.2015 um 10:18 schrieb peter dalgaard:
>> 
>>> On 05 Sep 2015, at 08:28 , Rainer Hurling  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Is there any reason that the R-devel tarball at [1] stucks on r69202?
>>> 
>>> It seems, that newer R-devel versions are now published on
>>> /pub/misc/cran/src/base-prerelease, for example at
>>> http://ftp5.gwdg.de/pub/misc/cran/, but without an R-devel.tar.gz
>>> tarball ...
>>> 
>>> Is this intended? Any clarification would be appreciated.
>> 
>> Probably not (it is on Martin Maechler's turf, though). These things are run 
>> by cron jobs, and sometimes they get stalled. It is also possible that a 
>> change to the build tools on that machine caused the tarballs to fail their 
>> builds (the way things work, you need to build R before you can build the 
>> tarball.)
> 
> Yes, I am aware of the build process before the tarball. The mail should
> only take some attention on it ;)
> 
> Since end of August, there had been a change of the location, where
> devel and patched sources are located: from
> https://stat.ethz.ch/R/daily/ to
> ::mirror::/pub/misc/cran/src/base-prerelease/

There is no change, there has been two locations for a while now. One is an 
extension of the alpha/beta/RC-releases built by me, leading up to the release 
tarballs, the other maintained by Martin/ETHZ for a much longer time. The issue 
is just that Martin's updates seem to have been stalled for some reason.

This configuration sort of came sneaking up on us (long story...), so the CRAN 
descriptions are not completely precise.

It's not a big deal for me to set up so that there is also an 
R-devel-latest.tar.gz or so in base-prerelease.

-pd

> 
> Perhaps something with the cron jobs did not follow these changes?
> 
>> Is there a need for an R-devel.tar.gz in src/base-prerelease? It would just 
>> be a copy of the most recent one.
> 
> I prefer the R-devel.tar.gz without date and version number for
> automated fetching and building R-devel on FreeBSD on an almost daily basis.
> 
> Many thanks for your answer.
> 
> Regards,
> Rainer Hurling
> 
>> 
>> -pd
>> 
>>> 
>>> Thanks and greetings,
>>> Rainer Hurling
>>> 
>>> 
>>> [1] https://stat.ethz.ch/R/daily/R-devel.tar.gz

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