RE: [Rd] CRAN Task Views: ctv package available
Gregor: >> I think that there is a lot of "fields" where this views cover the same >> stuff. When I first read about ctv I thought it will be implemented more >> in somewhat "hierarchical" or kind of "multiple" way, since for example >> linear models come usefull in many different fields and some people might >> never look under "Econometrics" view as Paul stated. >> >> I realize that "hierarchical/multiple" is far from easy and I do not have >> any clear idea how to implement it, but it would probably easier to maintain >> larger set of views in such a way and it would be easier to generate new >> ones. Achim > Yes, the implementation would not be the main problem, but the > maintenance. For hierarchical views, there needs to be much more > communication and coordination between the maintainers of related views. > My idea was to keep the work low for the maintainers...hoping that there > would be more people volunteering to maintain a view related to their > field of research or application. Yes, you are right about needed work. Anyway, one can copy some parts from different views and create a new one ;) Regards, Gregor __ R-devel@stat.math.ethz.ch mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-devel
RE: [Rd] CRAN Task Views: ctv package available
On Sat, 12 Mar 2005, Gorjanc Gregor wrote: > Hello! > > First of all congratulations for a nice approach to present "R fields" in > more coherent way. When I started with R I was often frustrated with long > list of packages, similarities between them, ... If I would take a slow > approach (one thing at a time) things would be easier from the start, but > usually one wants to know what a new program is capable of. This is esential > if one wants really to switch to R. > > About ctv: > >> Paul Gilbert wrote: > >> For my own purposes the "Econometrics" view is just fine, but I do > >> sometimes get questions about dse from people in fields that are > >> different enough that they might not even know to look in > >> "Econometrics." A time series view might be useful even if it only > >> said see also ... . Another approach to this might be to have > >> sub-views so, for example, "Econometrics" and "Control theory" could > >> both point to "Time series." > > > Achim Zeileis responded: > > Yes, that is, of course, an obvious idea but it requires more > > coordination between the different views, hence we've decided not to > > support hierarchically ordered views. > > Re: "ControlTheory". If someone would raise his hand and provide a view > > for that, it would be great. It could, of course, link to the > > "Econometrics" view (and vice versa) but they wouldn't have a formally > > defined subset in a "TimeSeries" view. > > I think that there is a lot of "fields" where this views cover the same > stuff. When I first read about ctv I thought it will be implemented more > in somewhat "hierarchical" or kind of "multiple" way, since for example > linear models come usefull in many different fields and some people might > never look under "Econometrics" view as Paul stated. > > I realize that "hierarchical/multiple" is far from easy and I do not have > any clear idea how to implement it, but it would probably easier to maintain > larger set of views in such a way and it would be easier to generate new > ones. Yes, the implementation would not be the main problem, but the maintenance. For hierarchical views, there needs to be much more communication and coordination between the maintainers of related views. My idea was to keep the work low for the maintainers...hoping that there would be more people volunteering to maintain a view related to their field of research or application. Z > -- > Lep pozdrav / With regards, > Gregor GORJANC > > --- > University of Ljubljana > Biotechnical FacultyURI: http://www.bfro.uni-lj.si/MR/ggorjan > Zootechnical Department mail: gregor.gorjanc bfro.uni-lj.si > Groblje 3 tel: +386 (0)1 72 17 861 > SI-1230 Domzale fax: +386 (0)1 72 17 888 > Slovenia, Europe > > __ > R-devel@stat.math.ethz.ch mailing list > https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-devel > __ R-devel@stat.math.ethz.ch mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-devel
RE: [Rd] CRAN Task Views: ctv package available
Hello! First of all congratulations for a nice approach to present "R fields" in more coherent way. When I started with R I was often frustrated with long list of packages, similarities between them, ... If I would take a slow approach (one thing at a time) things would be easier from the start, but usually one wants to know what a new program is capable of. This is esential if one wants really to switch to R. About ctv: >> Paul Gilbert wrote: >> For my own purposes the "Econometrics" view is just fine, but I do >> sometimes get questions about dse from people in fields that are >> different enough that they might not even know to look in >> "Econometrics." A time series view might be useful even if it only >> said see also ... . Another approach to this might be to have >> sub-views so, for example, "Econometrics" and "Control theory" could >> both point to "Time series." > Achim Zeileis responded: > Yes, that is, of course, an obvious idea but it requires more > coordination between the different views, hence we've decided not to > support hierarchically ordered views. > Re: "ControlTheory". If someone would raise his hand and provide a view > for that, it would be great. It could, of course, link to the > "Econometrics" view (and vice versa) but they wouldn't have a formally > defined subset in a "TimeSeries" view. I think that there is a lot of "fields" where this views cover the same stuff. When I first read about ctv I thought it will be implemented more in somewhat "hierarchical" or kind of "multiple" way, since for example linear models come usefull in many different fields and some people might never look under "Econometrics" view as Paul stated. I realize that "hierarchical/multiple" is far from easy and I do not have any clear idea how to implement it, but it would probably easier to maintain larger set of views in such a way and it would be easier to generate new ones. -- Lep pozdrav / With regards, Gregor GORJANC --- University of Ljubljana Biotechnical FacultyURI: http://www.bfro.uni-lj.si/MR/ggorjan Zootechnical Department mail: gregor.gorjanc bfro.uni-lj.si Groblje 3 tel: +386 (0)1 72 17 861 SI-1230 Domzale fax: +386 (0)1 72 17 888 Slovenia, Europe __ R-devel@stat.math.ethz.ch mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-devel
Re: [Rd] CRAN Task Views: ctv package available
Dirk Eddelbuettel wrote: Paul, On 11 March 2005 at 17:55, Paul Gilbert wrote: | Achim | ... | >>Other things that might be useful are various programming views, like | >>a Matlab view, and an SPSS view. | > | > | > I'm not sure what you have in mind here, because I would think that this | > amounts more to using the language in general than using certain | > packages. | ... | | I guess I didn't see that this should only be about packages. It seems | you could put just about anything in the HTML page. A table like | | MatlabR translation | --- | eye(n) diag(1,n) |=<- | etc | | might be useful to a lot of people converting from Matlab. I may have | the above wrong, but I do have a good start on a table like this in a | sed script somewhere, so if anyone volunteers to be the maintainer I can | help a bit. Recall that (at least some of) this exists already in Robin's page at http://cran.us.r-project.org/doc/contrib/R-and-octave-2.txt (using the .us mirror here, adapt at will) Dirk Dirk Thanks for point this out. It is certainly a better starting point than anything I have related to Matlab. I think this also underlines the bigger problem too. There is actually a very large amount of R documentation, but it is often hard for someone with a particular background to know were to start. Even though I now know this document exists, it seems a bit difficult to actually find it from CRAN. If I Google "R and Octave" I get it immediately, but it doesn't show up with "R and Matlab." It seems to me that the "view" idea may provide a very good mechanism that will work even when you really don't know where to start. (BTW, this is an example, I don't really know much about Matlab.) Paul __ R-devel@stat.math.ethz.ch mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-devel
Re: [Rd] CRAN Task Views: ctv package available
Paul, On 11 March 2005 at 17:55, Paul Gilbert wrote: | Achim | ... | >>Other things that might be useful are various programming views, like | >>a Matlab view, and an SPSS view. | > | > | > I'm not sure what you have in mind here, because I would think that this | > amounts more to using the language in general than using certain | > packages. | ... | | I guess I didn't see that this should only be about packages. It seems | you could put just about anything in the HTML page. A table like | | MatlabR translation | --- | eye(n) diag(1,n) |=<- | etc | | might be useful to a lot of people converting from Matlab. I may have | the above wrong, but I do have a good start on a table like this in a | sed script somewhere, so if anyone volunteers to be the maintainer I can | help a bit. Recall that (at least some of) this exists already in Robin's page at http://cran.us.r-project.org/doc/contrib/R-and-octave-2.txt (using the .us mirror here, adapt at will) Dirk -- Better to have an approximate answer to the right question than a precise answer to the wrong question. -- John Tukey as quoted by John Chambers __ R-devel@stat.math.ethz.ch mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-devel
Re: [Rd] CRAN Task Views: ctv package available
Achim ... Other things that might be useful are various programming views, like a Matlab view, and an SPSS view. I'm not sure what you have in mind here, because I would think that this amounts more to using the language in general than using certain packages. ... I guess I didn't see that this should only be about packages. It seems you could put just about anything in the HTML page. A table like MatlabR translation --- eye(n) diag(1,n) =<- etc might be useful to a lot of people converting from Matlab. I may have the above wrong, but I do have a good start on a table like this in a sed script somewhere, so if anyone volunteers to be the maintainer I can help a bit. Paul __ R-devel@stat.math.ethz.ch mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-devel
Re: [Rd] CRAN Task Views: ctv package available
On Fri, 11 Mar 2005 14:04:36 -0500 Paul Gilbert wrote: > For my own purposes the "Econometrics" view is just fine, but I do > sometimes get questions about dse from people in fields that are > different enough that they might not even know to look in > "Econometrics." A time series view might be useful even if it only > said see also ... . Another approach to this might be to have > sub-views so, for example, "Econometrics" and "Control theory" could > both point to "Time series." Yes, that is, of course, an obvious idea but it requires more coordination between the different views, hence we've decided not to support hierarchically ordered views. Re: "ControlTheory". If someone would raise his hand and provide a view for that, it would be great. It could, of course, link to the "Econometrics" view (and vice versa) but they wouldn't have a formally defined subset in a "TimeSeries" view. > Other things that might be useful are various programming views, like > a Matlab view, and an SPSS view. I'm not sure what you have in mind here, because I would think that this amounts more to using the language in general than using certain packages. But if someone has good ideas for a Matlab or SPSS view, I would be interested to hear them. > I feel uncomfortable suggesting things that sound more like work than > feedback, because I am not about to offer to maintain anything. I have > too much on my plate right now. But in this regard it would be nice to > draw on more people contributing smaller pieces. Have you considered > something like a wiki? Yes, there have been discussions about stuff like that on R-SIG-Finance. I think the presence of an "Econometrics" view shouldn't keep people from setting up an econometrics wiki if they want something like that. But my personal preference would be that someone starts collecting and maintaining code snippets in an R package rather than a wiki. The gregmisc bundle is a place for something like that with general statistical functionality. And back then, when this was discussed on the finance SIG, I suggested that someone who has some critical mass of code would start something similar for finance/econometrics/time series stuff. Z __ R-devel@stat.math.ethz.ch mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-devel
Re: [Rd] CRAN Task Views: ctv package available
Achim Zeileis wrote: Paul, thanks for the feedback. If I understand this correctly, I think it is a great idea. Just to be sure I do understand, would you expect there might also be a "Time Series" view, which would probably overlap some with the "Econometrics" view? In principle, the presence of an "Econometrics" view does not preclude the existence of a "TimeSeries" or "Finance" view (I already talked with Dirk privately about the latter). Even if the overlap in packages would be substantial, there could be value added via the information on the corresponding HTML page. Currently, my personal opinion would be that we don't need a separate "TimeSeries" view and that we should extend the information on the Econometrics page instead. But it's not unlikely that I could be convinced otherwise :-) So if you've got suggestions in that direction, just let me know. Achim For my own purposes the "Econometrics" view is just fine, but I do sometimes get questions about dse from people in fields that are different enough that they might not even know to look in "Econometrics." A time series view might be useful even if it only said see also ... . Another approach to this might be to have sub-views so, for example, "Econometrics" and "Control theory" could both point to "Time series." Other things that might be useful are various programming views, like a Matlab view, and an SPSS view. I feel uncomfortable suggesting things that sound more like work than feedback, because I am not about to offer to maintain anything. I have too much on my plate right now. But in this regard it would be nice to draw on more people contributing smaller pieces. Have you considered something like a wiki? Best, Paul Best, Z __ R-devel@stat.math.ethz.ch mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-devel
Re: [Rd] CRAN Task Views: ctv package available
Paul, thanks for the feedback. > If I understand this correctly, I think it is a great idea. Just to be > sure I do understand, would you expect there might also be a "Time > Series" view, which would probably overlap some with the > "Econometrics" view? In principle, the presence of an "Econometrics" view does not preclude the existence of a "TimeSeries" or "Finance" view (I already talked with Dirk privately about the latter). Even if the overlap in packages would be substantial, there could be value added via the information on the corresponding HTML page. Currently, my personal opinion would be that we don't need a separate "TimeSeries" view and that we should extend the information on the Econometrics page instead. But it's not unlikely that I could be convinced otherwise :-) So if you've got suggestions in that direction, just let me know. Best, Z __ R-devel@stat.math.ethz.ch mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-devel
Re: [Rd] CRAN Task Views: ctv package available
If I understand this correctly, I think it is a great idea. Just to be
sure I do understand, would you expect there might also be a "Time
Series" view, which would probably overlap some with the "Econometrics"
view?
Paul Gilbert
Achim Zeileis wrote:
Dear developeRs,
in the last month I mentioned in several discussions on R-help that Kurt
and I were working on tools for "CRAN Task Views" which should help to
structure the fast-growing list of packages on CRAN.
Now the first version of a package called ctv (for CRAN Task Views) is
available from CRAN and also two frist drafts for such views can be seen
at
http://CRAN.R-project.org/src/contrib/Views/
When you install the ctv package you can also query this from within R
via:
CRAN.views()
install.views("Econometrics", lib = "/path/to/foo")
New views can be easily written in an XML-based format from which we can
generate the HTML information displayed on the Web and also the
information needed for querying the views via CRAN.views(). The package
contains a short vignette that explains how to write new task views.
Feedback on the package would be very welcome! Furthermore, if you want
to write and maintain a new task view for a certain topic, that would be
great! Just drop me an e-mail with your suggestion.
Best wishes from Vienna,
Z
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[Rd] CRAN Task Views: ctv package available
Dear developeRs,
in the last month I mentioned in several discussions on R-help that Kurt
and I were working on tools for "CRAN Task Views" which should help to
structure the fast-growing list of packages on CRAN.
Now the first version of a package called ctv (for CRAN Task Views) is
available from CRAN and also two frist drafts for such views can be seen
at
http://CRAN.R-project.org/src/contrib/Views/
When you install the ctv package you can also query this from within R
via:
CRAN.views()
install.views("Econometrics", lib = "/path/to/foo")
New views can be easily written in an XML-based format from which we can
generate the HTML information displayed on the Web and also the
information needed for querying the views via CRAN.views(). The package
contains a short vignette that explains how to write new task views.
Feedback on the package would be very welcome! Furthermore, if you want
to write and maintain a new task view for a certain topic, that would be
great! Just drop me an e-mail with your suggestion.
Best wishes from Vienna,
Z
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