Hello,

I've got a small dataset on box turtle shell measurements that I would like to 
perform a detrended correspondence analysis on. I thought that it would be 
interesting to examine the morphometrics for each species in the area of 
overlap and in areas where neither species occurs. 

I've taken a look at the dune and dune.env datasets in vegan. Using the str() 
command gives me 

> str(dune)
'data.frame':   20 obs. of  30 variables:
 $ Belper: num  3 0 2 0 0 0 0 2 0 0 ...
 $ Empnig: num  0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 ...
 $ Junbuf: num  0 3 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 ...
 $ Junart: num  0 0 0 3 0 0 4 0 0 3 ...
 ...

However, when I try looking directly at the data frame using the edit command I 
see that there is a column called "row.names" to the left of "Belper".

Likewise, when I use the str() command on dune.env I get

> str(dune.env)
'data.frame':   20 obs. of  5 variables:
 $ A1        : num  3.5 6 4.2 5.7 4.3 2.8 4.2 6.3 4 11.5 ...
 $ Moisture  : Ord.factor w/ 4 levels "1"<"2"<"4"<"5": 1 4 2 4 1 1 4 1 2 4 ...
 $ Management: Factor w/ 4 levels "BF","HF","NM",..: 1 4 4 4 2 4 2 2 3 3 ...
 $ Use       : Ord.factor w/ 3 levels "Hayfield"<"Haypastu"<..: 2 2 2 3 2 2 3 1 
1 2 ...
 $ Manure    : Ord.factor w/ 5 levels "0"<"1"<"2"<"3"<..: 3 4 5 4 3 5 4 3 1 1 
...

but using the edit() command shows a column named "row.names".

I assume that the the "row.names" column is used to link the two files together.

My turtle data is saved as a *.csv, and I've added a column called "row.names", 
so that it looks like this

row.names,CL,CCL,CW,CCW,CH,CCH
1,104.4,131.8,89.887,137.4,43.391,89.7
2,108.79,135.9,87.78,118.1,50.72,71.2
3,114.12,126.1,89.33,132.8,142.39,78.3
4,102.87,128.2,84.2,125,45.42,72.4
5,84.6,104.8,72.61,111.8,41.1,57.3

I've called this file "turtles_dca.csv". I've also created a file called 
"turtles_dca_env.csv" that looks like this

row.names,Species,Sex,Distribution,Concatenated,Species_overlap
1,Terrapene_ornata,Female,overlap,TO_F_Overlap,TO_Overlap
2,Terrapene_ornata,Female,overlap,TO_F_Overlap,TO_Overlap
3,Terrapene_ornata,Female,overlap,TO_F_Overlap,TO_Overlap
4,Terrapene_ornata,Female,overlap,TO_F_Overlap,TO_Overlap
5,Terrapene_ornata,Female,overlap,TO_F_Overlap,TO_Overlap

However, when I read the data into R using this command

turtles.env = read.csv("turtles_dca_env.csv", header = TRUE)


and then using the str() command I get 


> str(turtles)
'data.frame':   67 obs. of  7 variables:
 $ row.names: int  1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 ...
 $ CL       : num  104.4 108.8 114.1 102.9 84.6 ...
 $ CCL      : num  132 136 126 128 105 ...
 $ CW       : num  89.9 87.8 89.3 84.2 72.6 ...
 $ CCW      : num  137 118 133 125 112 ...
 $ CH       : num  43.4 50.7 142.4 45.4 41.1 ...
 $ CCH      : num  89.7 71.2 78.3 72.4 57.3 73.4 67 57 68.8 68 ...

When I run decorana() on this dataset, it appears that the column "row.names" 
is included in the analysis, which isn't what I'm looking for. 

If I go ahead and delete the column "row.names" from my data frames (i.e. 
removing it from turtles and turtles.env), I don't believe that the analysis is 
performed correctly. The two species differ significantly in most of their 
measurements, but the ordihull() and ordispider() commands show them 
overlapping almost completely.

I think that I'm missing something pretty basic about inputting and formatting 
this data for this analysis. Can anyone offer a suggestion on where I'm going 
astray? I can send a copy of the data if anyone wants to look at it.

Best wishes,
Chris
University of Central Oklahoma
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