Re: [R] Examples of advanced data visualization
Since SVG has a lot of elements, Firefox is still under development to support different elements in SVG; see: http://www.mozilla.org/projects/svg/status.html Currently animations won't work under Firefox 3.0.4, and all the rest can be viewed using Firefox 3.0.4. Regards, Yihui -- Yihui Xie [EMAIL PROTECTED] Phone: +86-(0)10-82509086 Fax: +86-(0)10-82509086 Mobile: +86-15810805877 Homepage: http://www.yihui.name School of Statistics, Room 1037, Mingde Main Building, Renmin University of China, Beijing, 100872, China On Mon, Dec 1, 2008 at 6:26 PM, Ted Harding [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 01-Dec-08 09:22:34, Gábor Csárdi wrote: On Mon, Dec 1, 2008 at 10:21 AM, Gábor Csárdi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Dec 1, 2008 at 10:08 AM, Ted Harding [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] I visited that URL (with the extra t!), and got a message from my browser (Iceweasel on Debian Etch, which is Firefox under another name) that additional plugins (unspecified) were needed to display the material. When I clicked on the Install Missing Plugins button, the result was No suitable plugins found Unknown Plugin (text/svg+xml) Any suggestions for further progress? Ted, what is your browser version? If 2.x, then I'm afraid that you'll have to upgrade to 3.x, or install Opera. Oooops, maybe I am wrong, see http://perlitist.com/articles/on-firefox2-and-svg Gabor Gabor With thanks, Ted. Hmm ... Interesting. Many thanks for the reasearches, Gabor. Yes, it is a 2.x version. That URL states: [...] So what was the cause of all this woe and despair? Well it all stemmed from the fact that I upgrades from 1.5 to 2, and in 1.5 I was using the Adobe SVG plugin which disables the built-in SVG rendering. Firefox 2 helpfully copied this setting, but not the plugin. For future reference svg.enabled in about:config needs to be true for the built-in SVG viewer to be used. I checked the status of svg.enabled in 'about.config', and I see that it is TRUE. Further, exploring my ~/.mozilla tree, I do not see any reference to an Adobe SVG plugin -- the only Adobe plugins are for Acrobat Reader and Flash Player. So there is a bit more to this than meets the eye. Maybe I should try to find a different source of SVG material, maybe less demanding than Hans Borchers's examples, to see whether the alleged built-in SVG capability really works anyway. Thanks again! Ted. E-Mail: (Ted Harding) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fax-to-email: +44 (0)870 094 0861 Date: 01-Dec-08 Time: 10:26:23 -- XFMail -- __ R-help@r-project.org mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help PLEASE do read the posting guide http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code. __ R-help@r-project.org mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help PLEASE do read the posting guide http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code.
Re: [R] Examples of advanced data visualization
On 01-Dec-08 03:19:57, Duncan Temple Lang wrote: Hans W. Borchers wrote: [...] A few days before your mail, I started putting together some examples of using R and SVG/ECMAScript and R and Flash/Flex/MXML/ActionScript. There are some examples of R graphics that provide interactivity in various forms and ways at http://www.omegahat.org/SVGAnnotation/tests/examples.html (Most examples will work with Firefox, Opera is the most comprehensive browser however for these examples.) The Flex examples will take more time. D. I visited that URL (with the extra t!), and got a message from my browser (Iceweasel on Debian Etch, which is Firefox under another name) that additional plugins (unspecified) were needed to display the material. When I clicked on the Install Missing Plugins button, the result was No suitable plugins found Unknown Plugin (text/svg+xml) Any suggestions for further progress? With thanks, Ted. E-Mail: (Ted Harding) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fax-to-email: +44 (0)870 094 0861 Date: 01-Dec-08 Time: 09:08:05 -- XFMail -- __ R-help@r-project.org mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help PLEASE do read the posting guide http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code.
Re: [R] Examples of advanced data visualization
On Mon, Dec 1, 2008 at 10:08 AM, Ted Harding [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] I visited that URL (with the extra t!), and got a message from my browser (Iceweasel on Debian Etch, which is Firefox under another name) that additional plugins (unspecified) were needed to display the material. When I clicked on the Install Missing Plugins button, the result was No suitable plugins found Unknown Plugin (text/svg+xml) Any suggestions for further progress? Ted, what is your browser version? If 2.x, then I'm afraid that you'll have to upgrade to 3.x, or install Opera. Gabor With thanks, Ted. E-Mail: (Ted Harding) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fax-to-email: +44 (0)870 094 0861 Date: 01-Dec-08 Time: 09:08:05 -- XFMail -- __ R-help@r-project.org mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help PLEASE do read the posting guide http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code. -- Gabor Csardi [EMAIL PROTECTED] UNIL DGM __ R-help@r-project.org mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help PLEASE do read the posting guide http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code.
Re: [R] Examples of advanced data visualization
On Mon, Dec 1, 2008 at 10:21 AM, Gábor Csárdi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Dec 1, 2008 at 10:08 AM, Ted Harding [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] I visited that URL (with the extra t!), and got a message from my browser (Iceweasel on Debian Etch, which is Firefox under another name) that additional plugins (unspecified) were needed to display the material. When I clicked on the Install Missing Plugins button, the result was No suitable plugins found Unknown Plugin (text/svg+xml) Any suggestions for further progress? Ted, what is your browser version? If 2.x, then I'm afraid that you'll have to upgrade to 3.x, or install Opera. Oooops, maybe I am wrong, see http://perlitist.com/articles/on-firefox2-and-svg Gabor Gabor With thanks, Ted. E-Mail: (Ted Harding) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fax-to-email: +44 (0)870 094 0861 Date: 01-Dec-08 Time: 09:08:05 -- XFMail -- __ R-help@r-project.org mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help PLEASE do read the posting guide http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code. -- Gabor Csardi [EMAIL PROTECTED] UNIL DGM -- Gabor Csardi [EMAIL PROTECTED] UNIL DGM __ R-help@r-project.org mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help PLEASE do read the posting guide http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code.
Re: [R] Examples of advanced data visualization
On 01-Dec-08 09:22:34, Gábor Csárdi wrote: On Mon, Dec 1, 2008 at 10:21 AM, Gábor Csárdi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Dec 1, 2008 at 10:08 AM, Ted Harding [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] I visited that URL (with the extra t!), and got a message from my browser (Iceweasel on Debian Etch, which is Firefox under another name) that additional plugins (unspecified) were needed to display the material. When I clicked on the Install Missing Plugins button, the result was No suitable plugins found Unknown Plugin (text/svg+xml) Any suggestions for further progress? Ted, what is your browser version? If 2.x, then I'm afraid that you'll have to upgrade to 3.x, or install Opera. Oooops, maybe I am wrong, see http://perlitist.com/articles/on-firefox2-and-svg Gabor Gabor With thanks, Ted. Hmm ... Interesting. Many thanks for the reasearches, Gabor. Yes, it is a 2.x version. That URL states: [...] So what was the cause of all this woe and despair? Well it all stemmed from the fact that I upgrades from 1.5 to 2, and in 1.5 I was using the Adobe SVG plugin which disables the built-in SVG rendering. Firefox 2 helpfully copied this setting, but not the plugin. For future reference svg.enabled in about:config needs to be true for the built-in SVG viewer to be used. I checked the status of svg.enabled in 'about.config', and I see that it is TRUE. Further, exploring my ~/.mozilla tree, I do not see any reference to an Adobe SVG plugin -- the only Adobe plugins are for Acrobat Reader and Flash Player. So there is a bit more to this than meets the eye. Maybe I should try to find a different source of SVG material, maybe less demanding than Hans Borchers's examples, to see whether the alleged built-in SVG capability really works anyway. Thanks again! Ted. E-Mail: (Ted Harding) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fax-to-email: +44 (0)870 094 0861 Date: 01-Dec-08 Time: 10:26:23 -- XFMail -- __ R-help@r-project.org mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help PLEASE do read the posting guide http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code.
Re: [R] Examples of advanced data visualization
Hi, I find this interesting: http://blog.thejit.org/javascript-information-visualization-toolkit-jit/ It would be nice to have R exporting graphs into these kind of things. Vitalie. On Fri, 28 Nov 2008 16:55:12 +0100, Hans W. Borchers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear R-help, I am looking for ideas and presentations of new and advanced data visualization methods. As an example of what I am searching for, the 'Many Eyes' pages at http://manyeyes.alphaworks.ibm.com/manyeyes/ may provide a good paradigm. I would be interested even if it will not be easy to implement such examples in R, e.g. because of the interactive nature of these graphical displays. Please answer to my e-mail address. In case enough interesting material comes up, I will enter a summary here. Hans Werner Borchers ABB Corporate Research __ R-help@r-project.org mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help PLEASE do read the posting guide http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code. __ R-help@r-project.org mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help PLEASE do read the posting guide http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code.
Re: [R] Examples of advanced data visualization
Hans W. Borchers wrote: Dear R-help, I am looking for ideas and presentations of new and advanced data visualization methods. As an example of what I am searching for, the 'Many Eyes' pages at http://manyeyes.alphaworks.ibm.com/manyeyes/ may provide a good paradigm. I would be interested even if it will not be easy to implement such examples in R, e.g. because of the interactive nature of these graphical displays. A few days before your mail, I started putting together some examples of using R and SVG/ECMAScript and R and Flash/Flex/MXML/ActionScript. There are some examples of R graphics that provide interactivity in various forms and ways at http://www.omegahat.org/SVGAnnoation/tests/examples.html (Most examples will work with Firefox, Opera is the most comprehensive browser however for these examples.) The Flex examples will take more time. D. Please answer to my e-mail address. In case enough interesting material comes up, I will enter a summary here. Hans Werner Borchers ABB Corporate Research __ R-help@r-project.org mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help PLEASE do read the posting guide http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code. __ R-help@r-project.org mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help PLEASE do read the posting guide http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code.
Re: [R] Examples of advanced data visualization
Sorry for the need for a second mail, but the URL missed a 't' http://www.omegahat.org/SVGAnnotation/tests/examples.html ^ Duncan Temple Lang wrote: Hans W. Borchers wrote: Dear R-help, I am looking for ideas and presentations of new and advanced data visualization methods. As an example of what I am searching for, the 'Many Eyes' pages at http://manyeyes.alphaworks.ibm.com/manyeyes/ may provide a good paradigm. I would be interested even if it will not be easy to implement such examples in R, e.g. because of the interactive nature of these graphical displays. A few days before your mail, I started putting together some examples of using R and SVG/ECMAScript and R and Flash/Flex/MXML/ActionScript. There are some examples of R graphics that provide interactivity in various forms and ways at http://www.omegahat.org/SVGAnnoation/tests/examples.html (Most examples will work with Firefox, Opera is the most comprehensive browser however for these examples.) The Flex examples will take more time. D. Please answer to my e-mail address. In case enough interesting material comes up, I will enter a summary here. Hans Werner Borchers ABB Corporate Research __ R-help@r-project.org mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help PLEASE do read the posting guide http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code. __ R-help@r-project.org mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help PLEASE do read the posting guide http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code. __ R-help@r-project.org mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help PLEASE do read the posting guide http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code.
Re: [R] Examples of advanced data visualization
Hans W. Borchers-4 wrote: Tom Backer Johnsen backer at psych.uib.no writes: I am also wondering if the R Wiki would be a better place to publish summaries on topics discussed here. On the mailing list, summaries are forgotten within one or two months time, only to be retrieved in specific searches. I have tried this once with a subject I found interesting and buried under too many quotes of previous mails: http://wiki.r-project.org/rwiki/doku.php?id=guides:lmer-tests Since the the reaction was mainly negative and legalese (you should ask permission to quote other people) that I will never try this again. Dieter -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Examples-of-advanced-data-visualization-tp20736795p20767389.html Sent from the R help mailing list archive at Nabble.com. __ R-help@r-project.org mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help PLEASE do read the posting guide http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code.
Re: [R] Examples of advanced data visualization
Tom Backer Johnsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] [Fri, Nov 28, 2008 at 10:13:04PM CET]: Hans W. Borchers wrote: [...] Please answer to my e-mail address. In case enough interesting material comes up, I will enter a summary here. It is nice that you are willing to summarize whatever appears, but somewhat arrogant in my eyes. There might be things appearing that you do not regard as of first interest that might be of interest to others. I'd say arrogant is a bit harsh. There are mailing lists where there is a good summary culture (haven't come across one lately though, remember it rather from 15 years ago) which doesn't make you feel excluded, rather quiet mailing list where a sudden lengthy discussion would cause people to react bewildered and alienated, and specialized questions which only interest a handful readers, who could always contact the original contributor for more information. This list and Hans' question doesn't fit any of the criteria. Therefore I agree with Tom's conclusion: In other words, I therefore suggest that the list ignores the last paragraph in the question from you. but I'd say that there are situations where it would be best to follow Hans' request. -- Johannes Hüsing There is something fascinating about science. One gets such wholesale returns of conjecture mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] from such a trifling investment of fact. http://derwisch.wikidot.com (Mark Twain, Life on the Mississippi) __ R-help@r-project.org mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help PLEASE do read the posting guide http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code.
Re: [R] Examples of advanced data visualization
Tom Backer Johnsen backer at psych.uib.no writes: [...] The question is interesting, but what I have a somewhat negative reaction to is the next passage: Please answer to my e-mail address. In case enough interesting material comes up, I will enter a summary here. It is nice that you are willing to summarize whatever appears, but somewhat arrogant in my eyes. There might be things appearing that you do not regard as of first interest that might be of interest to others. Therefore, the all parts of the discussion or responses should be public as well. The response of David Winsemius pointing at (among other things) at the presentation of Rosling at TED is in my eyes a very good start. In other words, I therefore suggest that the list ignores the last paragraph in the question from you. Hans Werner Borchers ABB Corporate Research Tom Tom is right here. What I should have said / intended to say was something like You can _also_ answer to my e-mail address I feel sorry that this misstatement caused a distraction from my request. Coming back to the original question: We all know the many pages about R graphics and its numerous features and skills. Therefore, I am more interested in data visualizations not yet implemented or made available in R. I am also wondering if the R Wiki would be a better place to publish summaries on topics discussed here. On the mailing list, summaries are forgotten within one or two months time, only to be retrieved in specific searches. Comments on any of the issues mentioned are welcome. Hans Werner __ R-help@r-project.org mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help PLEASE do read the posting guide http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code.
Re: [R] Examples of advanced data visualization
On Fri, Nov 28, 2008 at 4:13 PM, Tom Backer Johnsen [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Hans W. Borchers wrote: ...The question is interesting, but what I have a somewhat negative reaction to is the next passage: Please answer to my e-mail address. In case enough interesting material comes up, I will enter a summary here. It is nice that you are willing to summarize whatever appears, but somewhat arrogant in my eyes. Different mailing lists have different cultures. Some consider it polite to only respond privately -- the original poster is then expected to summarize responses; others do not. The R-help posting guide does not seem to take a position on this, so, um, I have a somewhat negative reaction to your deciding peremptorily for the list what the policy is. -s [[alternative HTML version deleted]] __ R-help@r-project.org mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help PLEASE do read the posting guide http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code.
Re: [R] Examples of advanced data visualization
For the motion chart, I've written a quick example in R (for the
Brownian Motion):
## put random numbers in Google API
# n: number of movie frames
# p: number of points
g.brownian.motion = function(n = 50, p = 20, start = 1900,
digits = 14, file = brownian.motion.html, width = 800,
height = 600) {
x = round(c(t(apply(matrix(rnorm(p * n), p, n), 1, cumsum))),
digits)
y = round(c(t(apply(matrix(rnorm(p * n), p, n), 1, cumsum))),
digits)
tmp = character(p * n * 4)
tmp[seq(1, p * n * 4, 4)] = shQuote(formatC(rep(1:p, n),
width = nchar(p), flag = 0))
tmp[seq(2, p * n * 4, 4)] = rep(start + (1:n), each = p)
tmp[seq(3, p * n * 4, 4)] = x
tmp[seq(4, p * n * 4, 4)] = y
cat(c(html, head, script type=\text/javascript\
src=\http://www.google.com/jsapi\;/script,
script type=\text/javascript\,
google.load(\visualization\, \1\, {packages:[\motionchart\]});,
google.setOnLoadCallback(drawChart);, function
drawChart() {,
var data = new google.visualization.DataTable();),
paste(data.addRows(, p * n, );, sep = ),
c(data.addColumn('string', 'point');,
data.addColumn('number', 'year');,
data.addColumn('number', 'X');,
data.addColumn('number', 'Y');),
paste(data.setValue(, rep(0:(p * n - 1), each = 4),
, , rep(0:3, p * n), , , tmp, );, sep = ,
collapse = \n), c(var chart = new
google.visualization.MotionChart(document.getElementById('chart_div'));),
paste(chart.draw(data, {width: , width, , height: ,
height, });\, \ }, sep = ), c(/script,
/head, , body), paste(div
id=\chart_div\ style=\width: ,
width, px; height: , height, px;\/div, sep = ),
c( /body, /html), file = file, sep = \n)
}
# for example:
g.brownian.motion(50, 15, digits = 2, width = 600, height = 500)
# see http://www.yihui.name/en/post/57.htm for the motion
##
As you can see, it just makes use of the GoogleVis API, as R has no
internal support for producing a Flash movie. However, there are other
add-on packages for dynamic graphics, such as rggobi / iplots, etc.
See the Graphics task view on CRAN.
Regards,
Yihui
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On Sat, Nov 29, 2008 at 12:53 AM, David Winsemius
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The gapminder.org project ;
http://graphs.gapminder.org/world/
Hans Rosling at TED:
http://www.ted.com/index.php/talks/hans_rosling_shows_the_best_stats_you_ve_ever_seen.html
http://hdr.undp.org/external/gapminder/2004/hdr2004.html
And was given Google support last year:
http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2007/03/world-in-motion.html
-- David Winsemius
On Nov 28, 2008, at 10:55 AM, Hans W. Borchers wrote:
Dear R-help,
I am looking for ideas and presentations of new and advanced data
visualization
methods. As an example of what I am searching for, the 'Many Eyes' pages
at
http://manyeyes.alphaworks.ibm.com/manyeyes/
may provide a good paradigm. I would be interested even if it will not be
easy
to implement such examples in R, e.g. because of the interactive nature of
these
graphical displays.
Please answer to my e-mail address. In case enough interesting material
comes
up, I will enter a summary here.
Hans Werner Borchers
ABB Corporate Research
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and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code.
[R] Examples of advanced data visualization
Dear R-help, I am looking for ideas and presentations of new and advanced data visualization methods. As an example of what I am searching for, the 'Many Eyes' pages at http://manyeyes.alphaworks.ibm.com/manyeyes/ may provide a good paradigm. I would be interested even if it will not be easy to implement such examples in R, e.g. because of the interactive nature of these graphical displays. Please answer to my e-mail address. In case enough interesting material comes up, I will enter a summary here. Hans Werner Borchers ABB Corporate Research __ R-help@r-project.org mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help PLEASE do read the posting guide http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code.
Re: [R] Examples of advanced data visualization
The gapminder.org project ; http://graphs.gapminder.org/world/ Hans Rosling at TED: http://www.ted.com/index.php/talks/hans_rosling_shows_the_best_stats_you_ve_ever_seen.html http://hdr.undp.org/external/gapminder/2004/hdr2004.html And was given Google support last year: http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2007/03/world-in-motion.html -- David Winsemius On Nov 28, 2008, at 10:55 AM, Hans W. Borchers wrote: Dear R-help, I am looking for ideas and presentations of new and advanced data visualization methods. As an example of what I am searching for, the 'Many Eyes' pages at http://manyeyes.alphaworks.ibm.com/manyeyes/ may provide a good paradigm. I would be interested even if it will not be easy to implement such examples in R, e.g. because of the interactive nature of these graphical displays. Please answer to my e-mail address. In case enough interesting material comes up, I will enter a summary here. Hans Werner Borchers ABB Corporate Research __ R-help@r-project.org mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help PLEASE do read the posting guide http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code. __ R-help@r-project.org mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help PLEASE do read the posting guide http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code.
Re: [R] Examples of advanced data visualization
Hans W. Borchers wrote: Dear R-help, I am looking for ideas and presentations of new and advanced data visualization methods. As an example of what I am searching for, the 'Many Eyes' pages at http://manyeyes.alphaworks.ibm.com/manyeyes/ may provide a good paradigm. I would be interested even if it will not be easy to implement such examples in R, e.g. because of the interactive nature of these graphical displays. The question is interesting, but what I have a somewhat negative reaction to is the next passage: Please answer to my e-mail address. In case enough interesting material comes up, I will enter a summary here. It is nice that you are willing to summarize whatever appears, but somewhat arrogant in my eyes. There might be things appearing that you do not regard as of first interest that might be of interest to others. Therefore, the all parts of the discussion or responses should be public as well. The response of David Winsemius pointing at (among other things) at the presentation of Rosling at TED is in my eyes a very good start. In other words, I therefore suggest that the list ignores the last paragraph in the question from you. Hans Werner Borchers ABB Corporate Research Tom __ R-help@r-project.org mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help PLEASE do read the posting guide http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code.
