Re: [R] Fw: How to learn R language?

2008-08-28 Thread Graham Smith
While agreeing with how good the texts that have been suggested are,
the questions to me (language + systematic) suggests

Braun and Murdoch  A first course in statistical programming  or/and
Chambers  Software for data analysis: programming with R

These would seem to take you through developing an understanding of
language fundamentals, in a more structured manner than the other
books mentioned.

Graham

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 Hi!

 I am a post graduate in Statistics. I want to learn R language, but am very 
 confused as to how to begin systematically. I need to learn R language from 
 Statistics point of view e.g. I need to fit distributions to data or run 
 regression analysis etc. No doubt there are so many articles available on 
 internet. But can someone guide me as to how do I begin and go on improving 
 myself SYSTEMATICALLY?

 Hence, please guide me as to how should I start learning R language? What 
 should I read first etc.

 Thanks in advance,

 Sagga K



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[R] Fw: How to learn R language?

2008-08-27 Thread saggak


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Hi!

I am a post graduate in Statistics. I want to learn R language, but am very 
confused as to how to begin systematically. I need to learn R language from 
Statistics point of view e.g. I need to fit distributions to data or run 
regression analysis etc. No doubt there are so many articles available on 
internet. But can someone guide me as to how do I begin and go on improving 
myself SYSTEMATICALLY?

Hence, please guide me as to how should I start learning R language? What 
should I read first etc.

Thanks in advance,

Sagga K



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Re: [R] Fw: How to learn R language?

2008-08-27 Thread stephen sefick
I am sure that there are as many ways as people, but this is what I
did.  MASS 4, Simple R (internet), and this list.  I taught myself and
it may have been easier to have a guide as this would have cut the
learning curve down, but this is not essential.  Find out what you
need to do, do the examples or vigenettes that come along with the
function you would like to use, cuss a lot, and repeat.  I am a
biologist and never thought I would be programing, but I am now
literate enough to solve the problems that present themselves.
good luck and welcome

Stephen

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 Hi!

 I am a post graduate in Statistics. I want to learn R language, but am very 
 confused as to how to begin systematically. I need to learn R language from 
 Statistics point of view e.g. I need to fit distributions to data or run 
 regression analysis etc. No doubt there are so many articles available on 
 internet. But can someone guide me as to how do I begin and go on improving 
 myself SYSTEMATICALLY?

 Hence, please guide me as to how should I start learning R language? What 
 should I read first etc.

 Thanks in advance,

 Sagga K



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Re: [R] Fw: How to learn R language?

2008-08-27 Thread Peter Dalgaard
saggak wrote:
 Hi!

 I am a post graduate in Statistics. I want to learn R language, but am very 
 confused as to how to begin systematically. I need to learn R language from 
 Statistics point of view e.g. I need to fit distributions to data or run 
 regression analysis etc. No doubt there are so many articles available on 
 internet. But can someone guide me as to how do I begin and go on improving 
 myself SYSTEMATICALLY?

 Hence, please guide me as to how should I start learning R language? What 
 should I read first etc.

 Thanks in advance,

 Sagga K
   

It depends on your starting point, of course. Whether you have a
background with other statistical packages and/or with programming
languages like C, etc.

Quite a few people have started from the intro manual that ships with R
(and its predecessor for S-PLUS). There are quite a few books out, see
for instance http://www.r-project.org/doc/bib/R-books.html (thanks for
reminding me that the info for my own book needs to be updated for the
2nd ed., by the way...), and freely available documents in
http://cran.r-project.org/other-docs.html.

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Re: [R] Fw: How to learn R language?

2008-08-27 Thread John Kane
I'm not a statistician so my approach may not make sense for you but I'd 
suggests having a look at Bob Muenchen's R for SAS and SPSS users in  pdf form 
(very useful) or his new book with the same title (which I have not seen yet) 
for a start. http://rforsasandspssusers.com/

If you want some very, very basic things I'd suggest having a look at the 
tutorial at http://www.math.ilstu.edu/dhkim/Rstuff/Rtutor.html

After that there are any number of useful references and on-line materials 
available through the R site.  Have a look at Books and Other on the left hand 
side of the page.  

If you can get them, I'd suggest having a look at Peter Dalgaard's  
Introductory Statistics with R or John Verzani's Simple R.  The stats may be 
simple for you but the organized treatment of how to use these stats in R is 
very valuable.

The Introduction to R is very good but, at the risk of being accused of heresy, 
I'd suggest that it is much better if you read it after you get a feeling for 
the language. It also should be downloaded and read in the PDF format.  

Read the FAQ carefully, especially Section 7.  Section 7 highlights a lot of 
little things that can confuse a new user and reading it can save you hours of 
pounding your head against the wall. 


 
 From: saggak [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: How to learn R language?
 To: r-help@r-project.org
 Date: Wednesday, 27 August, 2008, 3:37 PM
 
 Hi!
 
 I am a post graduate in Statistics. I want to learn R
 language, but am very confused as to how to begin
 systematically. I need to learn R language from Statistics
 point of view e.g. I need to fit distributions to data or
 run regression analysis etc. No doubt there are so many
 articles available on internet. But can someone guide me as
 to how do I begin and go on improving myself SYSTEMATICALLY?
 
 Hence, please guide me as to how should I start learning R
 language? What should I read first etc.
 
 Thanks in advance,
 
 Sagga K



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Re: [R] Fw: How to learn R language?

2008-08-27 Thread Ajay ohri
   - go with Bob and Peter's book. Too many sources can be confusing.
   - Join the list, create filters for keywords of your specialty (like from
   R -Help ) contains regression.
   - Try use it for a live project .


Let the R begin

Ajay

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 I'm not a statistician so my approach may not make sense for you but I'd
 suggests having a look at Bob Muenchen's R for SAS and SPSS users in  pdf
 form (very useful) or his new book with the same title (which I have not
 seen yet) for a start. http://rforsasandspssusers.com/

 If you want some very, very basic things I'd suggest having a look at the
 tutorial at http://www.math.ilstu.edu/dhkim/Rstuff/Rtutor.html

 After that there are any number of useful references and on-line materials
 available through the R site.  Have a look at Books and Other on the left
 hand side of the page.

 If you can get them, I'd suggest having a look at Peter Dalgaard's
  Introductory Statistics with R or John Verzani's Simple R.  The stats may
 be simple for you but the organized treatment of how to use these stats in R
 is very valuable.

 The Introduction to R is very good but, at the risk of being accused of
 heresy, I'd suggest that it is much better if you read it after you get a
 feeling for the language. It also should be downloaded and read in the PDF
 format.

 Read the FAQ carefully, especially Section 7.  Section 7 highlights a lot
 of little things that can confuse a new user and reading it can save you
 hours of pounding your head against the wall.



  From: saggak [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Subject: How to learn R language?
  To: r-help@r-project.org
  Date: Wednesday, 27 August, 2008, 3:37 PM
 
  Hi!
 
  I am a post graduate in Statistics. I want to learn R
  language, but am very confused as to how to begin
  systematically. I need to learn R language from Statistics
  point of view e.g. I need to fit distributions to data or
  run regression analysis etc. No doubt there are so many
  articles available on internet. But can someone guide me as
  to how do I begin and go on improving myself SYSTEMATICALLY?
 
  Hence, please guide me as to how should I start learning R
  language? What should I read first etc.
 
  Thanks in advance,
 
  Sagga K



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Re: [R] Fw: How to learn R language?

2008-08-27 Thread Roland Rau

Ajay ohri wrote:

   - go with Bob and Peter's book. Too many sources can be confusing.
   - Join the list, create filters for keywords of your specialty (like from
   R -Help ) contains regression.
   - Try use it for a live project .


I think this is really very good advice:
- 2 books (I would recommend Peter Dalgaard's and Modern Applied 
Statistics by Venables/Ripley)

- the R-help list is very, very valuable
- most importantly: use it for some real project

Please let me add two more things:
- the road is long. Even after years using it exclusively as your 
statistical language/package of choice, there are still surprises around 
the corner (at least it happens to me, just discovered '.bquote' a few 
weeks ago)
- have an open mind. For example, if you have a background in SPSS, 
Excel, ... but not in general purpose programming languages, you might 
be surprised that your data don't have to be in rectangular shape. In my 
experience this is one of the first obstacles for students with a social 
science background.
- You get often world-class help and advice *for free* on the r-help 
list. So please read the posting guide before posting questions to the 
r-help list. This will save you some answer which might appear to be 
rude (but usually answer your question anyway).


I hope this helps you further,
Roland

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