Re: [R] R function which finds confidence interval for binomial variance

2008-09-26 Thread Robert A LaBudde

Thanks Ralph, Moshe and [EMAIL PROTECTED] for you helpful comments.

Using bootstrap (e.g., 'boot' + boot.ci()) for the confidence 
interval on the variance is not very accurate in coverage, because 
the sampling distribution is extremely skewed. In fact, the 'BCa' 
method returns the same result as the Efron 'percent' method.


Moshe's idea of treating the confidence interval for the binomial 
variance as a transform of the confidence interval for the binomial 
proportion is elegant (Doh! Why didn't I think of that?), except that 
the transform is bivalued, although monotonic on each branch, with 
the branch point singularity at p=0.5.


The bootstrap method does not have much coverage accuracy for any 
proportion, for n=6, 12 and 20, and the proportion method works great 
for n=6, 12, 20 and 50, except near p = 0.5, where it fails to 
achieve reasonable coverage.


So I'm still looking for a reliable method for all p and for reasonable n.

The proportion-based method is the best I've found, so far.

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Re: [R] R function which finds confidence interval for binomial variance

2008-09-25 Thread Ralph Scherer
Hello Robert,

would it be an idea to construct CI's with bootstrap methods?
If yes, you can use package boot, based on the book of Davison  Hinkley or 
the package bootstrap, based on the book of Efron Tibshirani.
You can put the estimator inside for argument theta.

Bests,
Ralph

Am Thursday 25 September 2008 07:56:56 schrieb Robert A. LaBudde:
 I need to construct confidence intervals for the binomial variance.
 This is the usual estimate

   v = x*(n-x)/n

 or its unbiased counterpart

   v' = x*(n-x)/(n-1)

 where x = binomial number of successes observed in n Bernoulli trials
 from proportion p.

 The usual X^2 method for variance confidence intervals will not work,
 because of the strong non-normal character of the sampling
 distribution for v (or v').

 Does anyone know of an R package with R function that computes a
 reasonable confidence interval for v or v'?

 Thanks.
 
 Robert A. LaBudde, PhD, PAS, Dpl. ACAFS  e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Least Cost Formulations, Ltd.URL: http://lcfltd.com/
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[R] R function which finds confidence interval for binomial variance

2008-09-24 Thread Robert A. LaBudde
I need to construct confidence intervals for the binomial variance. 
This is the usual estimate


v = x*(n-x)/n

or its unbiased counterpart

v' = x*(n-x)/(n-1)

where x = binomial number of successes observed in n Bernoulli trials 
from proportion p.


The usual X^2 method for variance confidence intervals will not work, 
because of the strong non-normal character of the sampling 
distribution for v (or v').


Does anyone know of an R package with R function that computes a 
reasonable confidence interval for v or v'?


Thanks.

Robert A. LaBudde, PhD, PAS, Dpl. ACAFS  e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Least Cost Formulations, Ltd.URL: http://lcfltd.com/
824 Timberlake Drive Tel: 757-467-0954
Virginia Beach, VA 23464-3239Fax: 757-467-2947

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